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Quichotte
18th Mar 2007, 16:53
Found this brave men struggling with a bucket under a Super Puma.

http://www.johannes-leckebusch.de/Fotogalerien/Hubschrauberparty/CRW_0164aus_tif.htm

http://www.johannes-leckebusch.de/Fotogalerien/Hubschrauberparty/CRW_0184_tif.htm

http://www.johannes-leckebusch.de/Fotogalerien/Hubschrauberparty/CRW_0177aus_tif.htm

Impressive!

Aesir
18th Mar 2007, 17:55
I think its a SA330 Puma!

But never mind that, do you know if this was actual fire job or just training?

Quichotte
18th Mar 2007, 18:24
Of course! It's a SA 330. In my mind it was clear a Super P. after i heard the germans sold all their 330 to HELOG. But may be older pics.

Flying Bull
18th Mar 2007, 19:23
Hi,
went through the pictures - seems there was a real fire somewhere in the mountains.
Just wondering about the procedure so.
I would taken a chainsaw and have cut some trees at the smal river, where the fireman got the water.
The helicoptercrews could have picked the water on their own - much faster and with less risk for all involved....

Greetings "Flying Bull"

Dynamic Component
18th Mar 2007, 23:36
Looks to me like they might have had a fire in the bucket;) :}

TwinHueyMan
19th Mar 2007, 21:50
Shoulda talked to the Czechs to see how its done!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1157376/L/

Looks like the pilot in the Puma had a bit of trouble keeping the bucket up. A few of our crews trained like that with the local FD and said it was about 6 inches of vertical leeway, 2 feet of lateral leeway, or you were watering the grass.

-Mike

remote hook
19th Mar 2007, 22:54
That looks like the Keystone Cops...

Good lord.

RH

choppergod
20th Mar 2007, 04:44
If the best one can do is to belly hook a bucket onto a Puma then maybe one should not be fighting fires.

I just goes to show, just because you fly a big machine it doesn't mean you are good at the job you have been tasked to do.

Choppergod has spoken.

Mast Bumper
20th Mar 2007, 20:46
+1 Choppergod

HOGE
21st Mar 2007, 00:18
Pedant mode on.

It's a Bambi bucket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambi_bucket

Pedant mode off.

kjw57
21st Mar 2007, 05:35
Now there's an opportunity to sell a porta tank (pumpkin') if I ever saw one.

tecpilot
21st Mar 2007, 08:59
My Pedant mode on. :) Bumbi or Bambi? If AgustaWestland found Bumbi is correct, also Quichotte is on the right way.

See Fire Fighting
http://www.agustawestland.com/products01_01.asp?id_product=14


Here we can buy a "Bumbi"
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/10920401/Bumbi_Bucket_Equipment_For_Fire_fighting.html

MarcK
21st Mar 2007, 20:29
Here (http://www.sfu.ca/aq/archives/Nov2003/whos_news/index.html) is an article about the person who says he invented the Bambi bucket. I think "bumbi" is an aberration of Turkish and Korean spelling errors.

Cyclic Hotline
21st Mar 2007, 21:37
More like Bumble bucket.

Were those pictures taken at Trumpton, Germany?:)

jab
9th Apr 2007, 21:31
kjw57

Just found this thread again. I confess, I only dipped out of a pumpkin for the first time last year and I found it to be a stressful exercise, especially when in a chain with Skycranes, S-58's, Vertols and a bunch of Hueys all waiting their turn. Tends to increase the concentration levels and thankfully I had done a bit of long-line before, I really felt sorry for the guys spending 2 minutes or longer trying to get the bucket into the pumpkin. It is not always easy work.

John Eacott
9th Apr 2007, 22:05
JAB,

It gets better: wait 'til they task you to fill the buoywall :p

jab
9th Apr 2007, 22:25
John

Yes, it can get interesting on fires. Actually I find the support ops easier because you are on your own and can take your time, there is self-inflicted pressure in the daisy chain to get the bucket into the tank on the first try. I love the work, meet some great people and its always challenging, what more can you ask for? Would love to try it in Aus sometime.

EESDL
11th Apr 2007, 12:37
"Firemen"?
Stormtroopers!! looking at the shape of their helmets.....as the actress said to the bishop!

whoateallthepies
12th Apr 2007, 06:30
Why on earth don't they use a longline?
Did some firefighting in Greece in '93 with a British International Super Puma using 100' longline and a bubble window on the left side.

It would get rid of their downwash problem.