The Rape Of Jandakot Bushland

[DX Wombat]

Recently I started this thread (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3157756&posted=1#post3157756) which developed into a discussion about what I feel can only be described as the rape of the bushland around YPJT. There are some before and after photos in there and some interesting comments. I am staggered by the amount of destruction which has taken place and wonder at the mentality of those who could contemplate and condone such activities. Please read the relevant parts of the other thread then continue to publish your thoughts and opinions here. :ok:
I'll be going home very shortly but will do my best to keep up with developments whilst I am away from Oz. Don't let them destroy any more of the bush it is far too precious.

[Monopole]

Unfortunately it sounds like JAH (aswell as WAC) have discovered the commercial benefit in developing airport land for commercial lease, instead of developing the airport itself :mad:

Maybe they are developing to raise revenue for future development of the airport facilities (but I doubt it).

[Magarnagle]

JAH seem to be choosing to disregard most aspects of the masterplan (ie. new runway, maintaining and developing existing facilities etc.), but latching right on to the part of the masterplan they feel will bring them the big bucks. The development of this land has been in the masterplan since 2000 or so. That seems to be the only part of it they have read.

It's almost as if they are real estate developers, rather than the operators of an airport. Oh, wait... They ARE real estate developers, my mistake.:suspect:

Any bets on whether the airport will actually see any of the money raised from the development of the land?

[scrambler]

Maybe we should get the MEDIA involved on this! :rolleyes:

[DX Wombat]

:ok: Thanks for volunteering Scrambler makes finding someone to do it just that little bit easier. :) :ok:

[Led Zep]

They've only cleared 90 hectares...there is stil another 60 to go!!!! :mad:
I used to like that drive into JT, but now...ugly. Downwind RWY 24R gives you a great view of the destruction so far...and a chance to see which trees will be next to go.

[Swanie]

what about the poor old roo's:uhoh:
old skip's gonna have to find a new place

[Richo]

There has already been one article in a community paper (the canning/Melville Times, from memory)

One of the better known airport rascals who also lives very near to the airport was pictured with the destruction in the background. Fairly good sized article, ashame no one reads these papers.

I have no doubt that the more we complain about it the faster it will go.
Who do you think is paying for all this destruction, there go the parking fees again, another XXX% increase.

They will get what they wan't, one way or another.

richo

[flightfocus]

Far Kern money hungry south afro kerns. I can't believe this country right now. It has gone to ****e :mad:

Read a comment in the paper this weekend that was spot on:

"Australians now live in an economy, not a society"

Most people will sell their grandmother if they can get a big screen TV out of it. Shame!!! :yuk: :=

All that bush around YPJT SHOULD have been protected. It is / WAS :{ old banksia - you know how long it takes to grow banksia??? AND it is on top of a water table.

I wonder if the infamous Brian Bourke is on the JAH xmas card list :yuk:
These people - JAH - should be charged with environmental rape.

[Clare Prop]

Should also be charged with the cost of washing all the aircraft and cars, and cleaning the layer of dirt that coats all surfaces in our workplace, thanks to them woodchipping on a wet, windy day.

Funny how there is still a major objector to the position of proposed runway, and with good reason for them, which couldn't be put South of the existing due to "bush forever"...which I am told can only be swapped "like for like"...so lets get rid of anything like it and then we may not have to build the new runway.....:mad: :mad: :mad:

To me, the sign at the entrance, proclaiming Jandakot a "commercial development" rather than an "airport", and now the moonscape that was home to endangered flora and fauna, just shows what kind of people we are dealing with, and now we all have to be visually reminded of their greed every day. Apparently the whole lot is to be flattened. So there is plenty more dirt to be blown onto us.

Yet they haven't got the resources to mow the grass in the parking areas!

Apparently the bush that is gone is to be replaced by concrete monstrosities surrounded by nice little lawns and shrubs (that need watering) and car parks.:yuk:

Some interesting stuff can be found in Hansard from Thursday 1 March, house of reps, re development at airports.

[DX Wombat]

Led Zep, is there any chance that you, or any of the other ladies or gentlemen flying out of YPJT, could post an up to date aerial photo? I won't have the chance to take any before I return home. I find the drive into Jandakot most upsetting these days, as flightfocus says, there used to be so much beautiful Banksia around. :{ :{ :{ Jandakot was the first place I saw Banksia. :(

[Towering Q]

Just saw it for myself, looks like a nuclear device was activated near the former golf driving range.:eek:
All in the name of progress.:yuk:
I wonder what part the EPA and CALM, (now DEC) had to play in this mess.

[DX Wombat]

I tried to copy an image but can't do so. Have a look at this website (http://local.live.com/) In the "City, address, landmark" box put "Hope Road, Jandakot, West Australia" and click to search. When the picture appears use the "hybrid" facility -map and aerial photo combined, then keep moving to the right hand end of Hope Road (you can do this by a single click on the picture, hold it and then move it). You will see a photo of the area taken before it was all grubbed up. It is beautiful bushland which no longer exists. Progress? I think not.

[Clare Prop]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/minnie_the_minx/P3040139.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/minnie_the_minx/P3040136-1.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/minnie_the_minx/P3040133.jpg
:mad: :{ :sad:

Who says you need high wings for aerial photos??:p

[Led Zep]

And now for some ground shots of the dust bowl. Remember that there is still more to be cleared!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041383.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041384.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041390.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041393.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041394.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041395.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041396.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041402.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041403.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041406.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/Ledus_Zepus/P3041407.jpg

And for good measure, why not follow this link and then click "The Developer":
http://www.jandakotcity.com.au/index.asp
:ugh:

ps edit: ****, click on any of the sublinks on the page and prepare to vomit. "Environmentally sound"?!?!?!?! :yuk:

[Clare Prop]

Haven't seen this little guy since the trees went
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/minnie_the_minx/BANDICOOT.jpg
Silly me for thinking there was an airport here...could have sworn that was an Air Traffic Control tower in the background :mad:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/minnie_the_minx/IMGA0190.jpg

[gaunty]

They just don't get it do they.:mad: :mad: :mad: :rolleyes:

[DX Wombat]

Clare, I'm pleased to tell you I saw him (or one of his rellies) on Saturday when I took my niece for a trial lesson. He is, however, only one of what used to be, and hopefully still is, a small group. The whereabouts of the rest are unknown. He has still got a little bit of bush (which will NOT be ripped out) next to Minovation where his presence is valued. :ok: :D
Thank you for the photos everyone even if they do make miserable viewing.:{

[Towering Q]

Thanks for the link Led Zep. Nauseating to the extreme.:yuk: :yuk:
I love the 'environment' sublink.
Sustainability and the community have been key priorities from the outset in the design of Jandakot City. Quality, efficiency and environmentally sound principles have been integrated into every part of the development process.

Combine that with the photos of smiling families, hand in hand, blissfully strolling down grassed hillsides and you have a very unoriginal piece of developers marketing sh!te.:ugh:
One other thing I noticed when viewing this site...not one mention of Jandakot Airport, bit odd really when the 'development' sits smack-bang along side it.:suspect:

[BrazDriver]

Thanks for the photos guys.
It is seriously depressing! Is it time to lobby the government to stop the south african bas@*%#s getting their own way?

[Johnny_56]

where are all our pollies,

surely this could become a bit of an election issue in this current 'climate change'/'Global warming' era.

Surely one of the politcal parties could use this as ammo against the other or visa versa. At least that could get it into the media

I agree with all the above posts, it is a shame what some people will do for money - sometimes we have to look at the bigger picture.

[Clare Prop]

How naive is Mr Furguson...The burden is passed on to the airport users; I doubt a cent of Ascot's profits from this development will go towards aviation infrastructure, they have been around for over a year and the place is in the worst state of repair I have ever seen it.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Not naive....disshonest or stupid yes, but not naive.

The only benefits of privatisation of essential infrastructure is a one off windfall to Govt and profits for private enterprises that have no motivation to improve infrastructure. It is manifestly self evident that there has never been an airport sold to a company whose interests were in aviation...they are always sold to land developers or companies like Macbank. Privatised monopolies should never be allowed in an economy as they impose an unfair cost on users....and yet we see increasing privatisation of public monopolies with abundantly predictable outcomes and the feckless morons who run the country have the unmittigated gaul to stand up and state, straight faced, that it is good.:ugh:

Even Ferguson admits it is essential infrastructure.

What stops the Govt from running something like an airport?

Well they will tell you it's more 'efficient' for private enterprise to do it because the public service is innefficient. Thus we have people who couldn't run a milkbar profitably running a country. The big difference between running a small business and running a country is it is near impossible to go broke because you simply raise prices (Tax) to cover your feckups...impossible in a small business.

Of course if you don't privatise things that were Govt entities then you have nowhere to go after you are voted out of office..well nowhere to go where you can be payed what you think you're entitled to...as opposed to what you're worth.:mad:

[Andy_RR]

The pollies are in dreamland if they believe a for-profit company will take the profit from one successful development venture and plough it back into (a.k.a subsidise) another 'investment' that will not produce the 'required' returns.

Jandakot as an airport will not recieve any investment from JAH that doesn't have a pay-back period measured in milliseconds. To think otherwise is a spectacular delusion.

Such is privatisation...

A

[Chimbu chuckles]

Precisely why airports should not be privatised...or any other monopoly infrastructure....not everything in society should be valued only by the % return to, in this case, a bunch of Yarpies.

As someone posted above...we now live in an economy rather than a society...never a truer, or sadder word, was writ.

[BrazDriver]

Is there any possible way to give the South Africans the boot? Other than using a carbomb? :)

[Magarnagle]

Apart from their obligations under the Airports Act, which they seem to be paying little heed to, who is making sure that JAH is sowing their profits back into Jandakot airport facilities?

The government seemed extremely reluctant to act on behalf of the users of Jandakot when the relocation proposal was being bandied around as a fait accompli. What are they doing to ensure that JAH address their obligations? Where is the new runway that has been in the masterplan for years? In what way are JAH maintaining/upgrading the facilities at Jandakot?

Did Ascot Capital even read the masterplan before they signed it, when they bought out JAH and ended up with the airport lease by default (bypassing the usual processes associated with companies who bid for the lease of an airport)?

These people need a swift kick in the ersa, and an eviction notice, if they are unwilling to do what they are legislated to do.

[Charlie Foxtrot India]

Not content with "raping the bushland" the big machines have now dug up the mains power cable into the airport and there has been no electricity for the last 27 hours....it took the airport officials several hours to take the trouble to tell the tenants what was going on, and that we would have the power back on last night which was not the case.

Surely a clear case of negligence which makes Jandakot Airport Holdings liable for losses caused by them or thier employees (do the earthmoving contractors come under emplopyees?) according to my lease.

I can get by with my little generator, but the losses and inconvenience for some must be enormous.

[YPJT]

"Dial before you Dig"
Obviously not a term familiar to this lot.:D

Word around at the moment is that ASCOT are still sniffing around Mandurah way looking for investors and trying to hoodwink the locals into the belief that there will be jobs galore for the locals if a new airport is built.:mad:

[Peter Fanelli]

Just out of curiosity, would you all be complaining if that land was being cleared to expand the airport, or build a new airport at some other location?

[multime]

Well congatulations West aussy,s.
The dentist has hit a nerve.
Before you go off on ur rant.I agree.
You see it,s not only the pretty boy 200 hour pilot,s that work in JPT.
It,s the engineering @ parts infrastrure that service the whole of westren Australia!!.How,s Craig Or Kerry in Kununurra going to find an i0550 gogo mobile part .???
Or likewise his counterparts or partners in crime, throughtout Derby/Broome/Fitxroy/Port Hedland/Karratha/Newman/Meekathara/Carnarvon/Kalgoolie/Geraldton/Exmouth/Kalbarri/Coral Bay/Margaret River/Albany/Esperance/.

Just a couple of examples for a few narrow minded pollies who think housing esates are a REALLY GOOD idea??.
We are far and wide throughout WA.
MR.Martin Fergusion.Ignorant.

Quote- The rapid Growth In in Non Aviational Developement IS NEEDED? FOR FUTURE EXPANSION??:ugh:
Who,s employing this idiot.WE ARE!!!!.Rethink your choices!!
Well Guy,s and girls mister Fergusion must have bought his shares cheap!!.

OR perhap,s he caught the West Australian Real Estate Boom a little too soon??
Long live YPJT
M:ok:

[BrazDriver]

Peter, Your comments are way out of place. You have no idea what operators at Jandakot have gone through to keep their airport and their businesses! I suggest you read further into this before making further comments!

[Over and gout]

Word around at the moment is that ASCOT are still sniffing around Mandurah way looking for investors and trying to hoodwink the locals into the belief that there will be jobs galore for the locals if a new airport is built.

Thats quite amusing considering there is already an airport in Mandurah:suspect: They want to build another one?

[Led Zep]

And there lies the problem, Peter. When we wanted a fourth runway, JAH refused on "environmental grounds". That is, they didn't want to clear any bush...they must have now cleared what, 5x more bush than what was needed for a 4th runway?! The power outage was just icing. :D

[Towering Q]

Peter, part of Jandakot's charm was the feeling of isolation from City and Suburbia, from the ground at least. The last few km's from the railway crossing to the cattle grid used to be surrounded by Banksia bushland. The "Developers on the hill" have taken care of that.:yuk:
It should have been left alone. It was an effective buffer between the airport and nearby suburbs and was home to many native critters, including the chalet numbats.