Pal Management Pilots

[wawangdodo]

Hello everybody, I'm a newbie and this is my first post, I just want to get some opinions on how to deal with this rift between the line guys and management at the moment, lot of disinformation being sowed here, just my two cents, thanks for any response from the community.... more power............:ok:

[jetcruiser]

Question:

HOW DOES THIS RIFT AFFECT YOU?

[wawangdodo]

Who said anything about this rift afecting me? read my post!! like I said , lots of disinformation circulating, I think people should not stick their heads in the sand and make believe nothing is going on.

[jetcruiser]

No effect? then why deal with it? why don't you read your Post again. Didn't you say? " I just want to get some opinions on HOW to deal with this Rift......"

Then, why do you have to react that way?.... when at the end of your Post YOU even said," Thanks for any response from the Community"..MINE was a QUESTION and clearly a response from the community. WHY respond with such exclamatory points???

How can you find answers when you Yourself is too sensitive taking OPINIONS from the COMMUNITY? Think about it.

And Don't fool Us, you're never a Newbie....your new callsign might.

[Alpha 6]

wawangdodo,

Who's circulating wrong information and what's the information about? PAL management or the pilots? Who do you believe more? Are you from the management or the pilot side or neutral?

[urgood]

wawangdodo,
jetcruiser's question is quite valid, no need to be hostile :=

safe flying everyone:)

[DeltaSix]

Wawangdodo, with all due respect to you, I don't think this is the place for you to be looking for solutions in these rifts. I also don't think any one man can fathom the complexities of it's cause. These are resolved by representatives of each side of the table where they will sit down behind closed doors and try to come up with a compromise so both sides will come out as winners. I said compromise as it cannot be a one-sided deal. You'll lose some and win some. But these people must be willing to give and take within reason of course.
Also, I have encountered a person in PAL that make their decisions without good explanation as to why they came up with it. Disregarding how the other person might feel. For some reason, their communication skills are not the best. It is an attitude of "I should not explain myself to you or I just don't care".... It's a very bad Filipino trait. Unfortunately, this will not work in the real world and it will just create divisions and tensions.
I have been on a management role here where I work and I have often found that the ability to tactfully handle people is not an easy task.
Not unless management explains their side clearly and concisely basing their explanations on fair and substantiated grounds why they make such decisions, there will always be a problem and the dragon will show it's ugly head.
Goodluck to everyone
D6

[Burnett]

I dont think this wawangdodo was a dodo anyway.

Dodo or AO class cadets dont answer this way := . Always in respect of the upperclass :bored:

Have A Safe Flight Sir!!

[expatula]

Well, he could be a DODO. Very lax nga lang. Knock your head nga muna! http://www.emoticons4u.com/crazy/1087.gif

[repapips]

wawangdodo? ... as in "kawawang dodo"?
Oops! One wrong post and you're deadmeat...
What to do?
Careful next time...:)

[Alpha 6]

I wonder where wawangdodo is now:confused:
Come out...come out...wherever you are:E

[Burnett]

Sir bka naka SQUAT or nag drop like a log o Fag! :* kaya d makapag sulat :rolleyes:

Maybe he realize what he said and ooppss nadulas hindi pala ako mgmnt dito. Sayang lumusot na eh..


Cant Afford Sir := Pumps till you drop !!!

[jetcruiser]

QUESTION :

:} .........:p ...........:E , I got to stop asking.

[ww1]

"Sir bka naka SQUAT or nag drop like a log o Fag! kaya d makapag sulat "

"Well, he could be a DODO. Very lax nga lang. Knock your head nga muna! "

Good old PAL. Still all the same bullsh!t.

[birdflew]

Hey, no change huh? cmon man, PR pilots making heaps o' money now thanks to the guys that left eh? Does that mean life on the outside is not as good as they say it is? According to the bossessess anyway.:}

[DeltaSix]

Quote: " life on the outside is not as good as they say it is? According to the bossessess anyway. "

Now that's another bull**** !!!......... bigtime !

[birdflew]

How's about it mga Sir's ? how's the life outside? totoo ba kwento ng management sa amin na miserable daw kayo??? Tulong lang samin para mag decide kami..............:confused:

[expatula]

How's about it mga Sir's ? how's the life outside? totoo ba kwento ng management sa amin na miserable daw kayo???

Maybe one or two, or three or four, but I believe that majority of us here who dared to venture outside are just as happy as can be.

Approx $9K/mo salary, free educ for kids, good lifestyle, opportunities for travel, secure and stable job, uhm, what else? It depends on your concept of happiness, but if these things can't make you happy, then I don't know what else can.

Tulong lang samin para mag decide kami..............:confused:

Better decide now before it's too late. Put the internet into good use, and you'll find that there's a whole new world out there. Remember that great oppotunities are only for the taking by those who have the determination to face new challenges. Be firm and be wise with your decisions.

Don't believe too much on what others say. But rather believe on what your heart says. Search deep, look ahead. And if you get the chance of flying on a clear day after reading this post, I want you to take a long look at the great horizon outside, and you will find the answers to your questions.

Goodluck!

[Alpha 6]

It depends on your concept of happiness, but if these things can't make you happy, then I don't know what else can.


I completely agree:ok:

For me...
If one is sick&tired in dealing with the same stuff...then it's time to leave and look for a happier place.
If one is contented...then I don't find any reason why to go and look for a better one.

Goodluck to all of us who are in pursuit of OUR OWN happiness:p

A6

[teeepee]

well said:D

[expatula]

Yo, A6! Got any luck with those damn wabbits in OMAA? You gotta start roasting them now, buddy, poor things I don't wanna run them over with big michelin wheels.

[Alpha 6]

wazzup expatula! We're still hunting for those wabbits and lizards in OMAA...We will serve it adobo and kaldereta style to our curry and masala eating counterparts here...next is balut and century egg:} they love pancit though

hope to hear you in frequency soon sir:ok:

[expatula]

We're still hunting for those wabbits and lizards in OMAA...We will serve it adobo and kaldereta style to our curry and masala eating counterparts here...next is balut and century egg:} they love pancit though


Rabbit barbecue is good, marinated in Mama Sita, puff some sisha, and drink tequila. Ha!

Sorry Nwesterly97, didn't mean to hijack the thread. What was that again? Mules and asses? Well, let's go and kick their butts!

Fly safe dudes! :ok:

[MIKEA]

Here in PAL, life is merely politicking. If you dont learn how to play Remote controlled airplanes or helicopters, you'll never get close to JA(ask Britz) or Golf if you want JH. So, better we start doing it.I think the word "politicking" is a bit harsh... Golf is a sport that a lot of people love.. It relaxes you.. a day with friends and bottle or two after the game relaxes you.. It gets you closer with most of the people you work with.. If you have a business.. You can close a deal within the fairways... I dont think all people playing golf is politicking. i guess just some...

Just a thought...:ok:

[jetcruiser]

Life is full of Politicking, not Golf.

[MIKEA]

I guess life really is...:ok:

[jetcruiser]

Hi Northwesterly97,

happiness in PAL isnt because of this Management people, remember they did nothing to improve your Salary, it was only a repercussion of the massive exodus of our fellow pilots.Napilitan lang mga bossing natin na mag increase ng pay.(yun naman ang totoo eh).
I respect your sentiments and in doing so, since you're planning to exit why not try to contact our colleagues working outside and ask them of their situation. Those guys whom you know personally can give you a better picture of what to expect once you step out of your comfort zone.
Any bad experience with this Mgnt people?, i can really feel your hatred for them.

Peace Man:ok:
Jc

[MIKEA]

Sir Northwesterly97,

I guess nobody is wrong when they choose to leave or not... I guess you've been with PAL longer than I am. If leaving will make you happy and give you and your family a nice future and keep you away from those liars whom you hate.. then yes you are on the right track.. when i left my previous job. for PAL i also didnt like the pay, the management. There was no future... Now Im here and new at it. Im still happy with the people i work(not all), the pay.


JC is right life is politicking. And were I ame from, you can't be promoted if you dont go politicking..:)

[CPdelirio]

I wonder why all of you use this medium to post your hatred and displeasure towards people in management.While it is true life is never fair but we hope all of you realize that we are here for a purpose and though the end does not justify the means,at the end of the day we get our jobs done,the planes fly and we get to feed our families,very much like yourselves.
You must also realize that we do have some bad eggs running around too.How you take it is up to you.Given the choice between our boss and yourselves,well the choice will be quite obvious.On a much milder note,we will admit that we are in a better financial situation now than before pilots started leaving,however,the crux of the problem lies in the fact that all the pilots that left were doing so for their own financial gain and not to promote your cause.
Enjoy your new financial independence,you work hard and you get paid well,simple isn't it?
I must excuse myself now,the weekend beckons me with a stiff sea breeze and maybe a round of golf or two.

[psychomotorman]

but you have to admit that, motives aside, the reason for your so called better financial position and financial independence IS the exodus of the best and the brightest, right? the 'crux' of the problem lies in the fact that management only realizes the value of their people when these disillusioned, frustrated and realistic people start to leave...to the benefit of those who are left behind..

[jetcruiser]

My Comrades,

Don't let this people affect you in doing your job, just enjoy every second of your flights and learn something from it.

The best thing is to Fly more to earn more, and at the end of the day ikaw ang may mas masayang Bank account.

dont worry too much about this mgnt people, let them worry for themselves. Mamya ikaw pa ang mag kasakit instead of them.

Just like what you always say, Seatback, relax and enjoy the flt.

For Airline pilot wannabees, PAL isn't that bad for starters.

Jc

[kurimaw]

i hope so jc.....

i'm studying right now about aircraft maintenance..(2yr+proceed?=degree)
and after i grad.....
start to apply if i'm qualified???

i hope that the management don't really act like that....

thanks....

[Alpha 6]

Don't let this people affect you in doing your job, just enjoy every second of your flights and learn something from it

What I learned from GA...if you drink booze and have connections, then you'll get in pretty quickly. That's the trend then, I think it still is.

No matter how crap the weather, the ATC at times, the traffic and the plane is...no matter how long you have to hold up there...just enjoy every hobbs of your flight.

As Jean Paul Sartre said- "Once freedom lights its beacon in a man's heart, the gods are powerless against him"

Fly safe always guys:ok:
A6

[HALALAN07]

sir jc,

the pilot's group should read about this. the one run by capt dwight. i think our group should get a reality check. at least everyone gets a chance to figure out the truth!!

pls vote!!:)

ps.. who is BG and BJ??

[jetcruiser]

Halalan07,

As you know the Pal pilots group is merely for our own entertainment. You can see all the stuffs sent in there were either to make you laugh or to make you laugh pa rin....
One cannot raise an issue in that forum, coz the moderators can easily delete it. eh Bias din sila , of course.:*

Jc

[jetcruiser]

Hi Kurimaw,

there are plenty of things for you to worry before you get yourself involved with this present issues, like for example completing your studies. Getting yourself into flying and eventually passing all that is required to put you inside an Airline company such as PAL.
PAL will be an enjoyable place for starters like you, that you have to believed me...especially if you're single.
Then later on, you can complain.


Jc

[kurimaw]

:) thanks for the advice.........j.c

[birdflew]

Mga Sirs, tanong lang po, pag ba nalaman ni Doc Gil na may estedeh ka covered pa rin ba ng medical natin? Kasi po meron isang mgmt na nagpa gamot sa isang kilalang clinic sa pasong tamo makati, di sa medical natin? tanong lang po. salamat.

[jetcruiser]

:eek: :eek: :eek: ....this is a good one Birdie:E

[Alpha 6]

That's why we should always be prepared...don't forget your raincoat:E

[piper 606]

D6,

Its seems you taking it seriously.

However this my opinion, management is always protecting companY INTEREST.

I presumed that yr an ex AF so be FAIR..and CHILL.

Dont be unreasonable, remember every stories has and ENDING.


Chill - PIPER 606

[DeltaSix]

Piper 606 --- what on earth are you on about ? :uhoh:

Are you referring to me or someone else, If it's me what quote are you having a problem with ?


DeltaSix

[basic]

PAL management? they fly the big jets especially the B777

I hope the culture is still changing to be better.

[M 0.78]

Admin culture is all about watching each others' backs. Most of the guys exert more effort trying to keep their jobs rather than doing their jobs. How often do you see admin pilots sitting at their desks doing administrative stuff? A couple of hours a day for a couple of days a week? They're mostly busy flying long layovers and simming.

There are always some guys in there with good intentions. But they fail to act for fear of rocking the boat and jeopardizing their positions. They tacitly condone any wrong perpetrated by their colleagues. In the end, they are fully assimilated. Resistance is futile.

I wonder if it's the same way in all the local airlines.

:bored:

[optimus prime 2010]

gentlemen and ladies

please refer to this thread i started,....

my point is.... PAL DOES NOT NEED PILOTS NOWADAYS,

that is why expect more termination, suspension, and non renewal of contracts....

you see, instead of being constructive and teaching the pilots to learn from their mistakes (AS IF THESE MANAGEMENT WRONGDOERS ARE PERFECT), they lick up asses up there to lt and blame it on the pilots.:yuk:

by the way, BOOTS JUNIOR,(the former cp of 320, fatman, ) how was your pasig home, if your family was affected, my sympathy,

now look around your surrounding in pasig, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW WE SEE YOU.... full of sh#t!!!:E

[jetcruiser]

Optimus Prime,

this one with BJ, I agree:ok:


M.78,
PAL has been exactly like that eversince. Believed it or not, it was even worse before the Strike of 98. The Harassment doesnt only comes from the ADMIN, but also from Regular line pilots. Most have been humbled...

So, the ADMIN culture is actually the PAL culture itself.

Jc

[M 0.78]

I think the A319/A320 division is lucky. Most of the admins are fairly new and possibly not yet fully assimilated into the traditional admin culture. They have plenty of bad examples set by their predecessors to guide their future actions. But they will still have to work within constraints set by their seniors.

One can always hope. :)