IJM Dispute

[formerijmpilot]

I am a former IJM Pilot, whose identity will be know to many of you.

I was employed for one year (less one day), and almost 6 months later, was contracted to carry out a freelance tour.

My salary and expenses for this tour are being with held, as a result of alleged financial irregularities last year.

The purpose of this post is two fold:

Has any other pilot, had a similar confrontation. ?

Ensure that all those leaving the company obtain a written confirmation from the company signed by (the man), and also the off shore emplyment entity.

I have started legal procedings agains IJM, but as the nature of the company intrastructure this is complicated.

Best regards from the greener grass......

[FlyMD]

You are not the only one with such a story... I am still owed mucho dinero by a former employer for some work i did after resigning...

The simple truth is that management companies are whores for their rich customers, and therefore managing directors for those companies are essentially pimps. don't trust them... for anything... ever.

Now, on a cash in advance basis, i still gladly work with them.. :}

[formerijmpilot]

From my initial post I have received several messages of support.

I amnot able to mention the names, or the content of the communications, but it appears that I am not the first, and also at least two of the Gulfstream 5 pilots in Moscow have resigned also.

Most expenses claims are adjusted downward by a significant ammount.

Stand by for the Flight International requests for team players.


ijm

[specialbrew]

Excuse the ignorance, but who is IJM and where are they based?

[formerijmpilot]

Title covers everything, I think.

[NuName]

Title covers everything, I think.
I think individuals are quite capable of deciding what they need/want to know, especialy when its a conversation about a possible rogue company that might be considered as future employment. If its private it should not be on a public forum.:rolleyes:

[pune]

If people are cheating the company they should not wonder about sanctions.
I personally know former GV IJM pilots paying all private expenses (thousands of dollars) on the company card. --> If such a person is not getting all expenses back when leaving the company its as expected. I know other former IJM pilots not sending the expense reports and/or invoices, wondering that they dont get the money, but telling people that they dont pay.

That for every individual is his own fluky farrier!

There are also pilots who left in a very good manner, how it comes????:D

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Does this count as unreasonable......Thats what I received, and then NO contractual notice payment...

It was claimed I had another position lined up, so they felt they were not obliged to honour the contract....

The situation is now in the hands of an international recovery company, so I should not say any more.

[AA SLF]

Thank You folks for the info . . .

[xsbank]

I have a friend who works for a company based in a tiny European company who was offered a certain pay rate to perform as a crew-member. He refused the pay rate. He was then told to submit his pay requirements as a contractor and was asked to do the trips (he has to pay for his own recurrents, etc.). When he did same, they withheld his pay except for the offered (and refused) rate and are also withholding part of his expenses.

The bottom line is that some of these management companies are, simply, thieves. The prospective employee needs to do his due diligence and think twice about getting involved with them. I think the legal recourse is poor and expensive. :ugh:

All I can suggest is to with-hold your services if you don't get paid correctly. In many cases, you are the only pilot so the management company can't crew the a/c. Leaving the a/c while enroute might also be a tactic, if you have decided you can't win.

[formulav]

Has anyone thought of getting paid BEFORE the starter switch is moved to the "ON" position???? In general, most services provided over a period of time require a large % be paid up front. Ie; plumbers, carpenters, lawyers ect,ect,. We are offering a service like EVERY OTHER business. They will continue to do what they have done unless we change the rules. Sounds like something I read at the university in business class. Just think, these operators may even respect us if they suspect one bit of business sense coming out of the pilot ranks.

[FLEXJET]

When you see that your boss wants to hold your expenses and salary, use the company credit card, just take the cash needed to cover expenses, salaries, etc... owed and that's the end of the discussion.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Been there, and tried it......in this operation, it would have back fired....

thanks for the input...

Glf

[formerijmpilot]

The company has now increased it demands for "my debt", it has doubled from 10k US to 20k US, sounds like the accounting system is as efficient as ever.

Was I the only IJM pilot who has not received ANY SEP training, regardless of being an AOC operation, and now a JAA AOC operation.????

I have received sereral PMs from persons who are considering applying for the posts currently advertised. It is difficult to answer these honestly.

Perhaps others might wish to praise the company.

Litigation continues,


former IJM

[fairplay]

I'm a pilot flying for IJM and I never like'd your behaviour. We inhouse have some rumours about you, trying to cheat, maybe even stealing money from the company and other unprofessional incidents. The company is having about 50 Pilots and you are the only one I know beeing frustrated, most probably about yourself and maybe unhappy because of not finding another job and when, then not for a long time.
I let the management and other pilots know that there is somebody trying to use a public platform to miscredit the company unjustified.:ugh:

:bored:

[Flintstone]

Troll alert! Troll alert!!:hmm:

*sets up deckchair

We inhouse have some rumours about you, trying to cheat, maybe even stealing money from the company and other unprofessional incidents.

To write something like that in a public forum you're either very brave, very rich or very stupid. Which one is it?

I let the management and other pilots know that there is somebody trying to use a public platform to miscredit the company

And who did you tell that you were using the same forum to accuse someone of criminal behaviour?






This is going to be good:rolleyes:

[formerijmpilot]

One of Pprunes purposes is to permit free discussion, with perhaps an oportunity to blow off.
My post was and continues to serve the purpose.
Rumours swim in all directions.

Fair Play: I thank you for your input, and trust you are keeping busy, your style of writing is very reminicent of the member of management in question. So I suppose you would say that, wouldnt you.


The Pm,s that I have received would suggest that there is more unrest under the surface.

Regards,

formerIJM

[merlinxx]

Making threats to other posters on this forum is rather disgusting. Your bad manors leads me to believe you're the sort of member no one would like to have in their operation, certainly not mine. Please adjust your tone and do not issue threats in the future, you'll be found out sooner rather than later. There are laws governing this sort of threat in the EEU.

[merlinxx]

Negative, a previous poster making accusations.

[hawkerpilot]

"I let the management and other pilots know that there is somebody trying to use a public platform to miscredit the company unjustified.:ugh:"

So your name is fairplay and you make these statements?

seems a contradictions in terms to me:hmm:

[austrian71]

....this company, is based on foreign investors, mainly russian and the only reason, why they are operating on an austrian aoc is, because some things in austria go "easier" - everyone himself should think about this "easier", in my mind it is not very professional.
But as told already, one part of the team I know, sitting in zurich, I worked together with them couple of years, they are professional, with many years broker experience. They initiated the IJM , but I hear more and more "outstanding money" and "instable roster" rumours from the crews. I am happy to be positive screened by my favourite future operator, being stable more than 10 years now . But hope for you, to solve your probs!

[pune]

The only unstable thing in this company are pilots posting in here!:ugh:

You should move your a.... and try to change things or change your live if you are not happy and should not complain about JAR´s, especially if you even don´t know what the abbreviation stands for.:=

[barista]

I thing this company reputation already speak for itself.

pune how much they pay you for this? 3 posts, how many dollars each post is that? If the company is so good how come they lost in cort and they have to pay?

Nice try guys but we don beleeve you:rolleyes:

[pune]

Hey Barista,

I dont even know that they went to court and what for, can you tell me!

Anyway I am not getting anything, I am employed as everybody else here, but what I have seen till now is good and you should work for other companys to have a comparison.

What I dont like in here are people complaining all the time and never trying to change things, ......go home to mommy or somewhere else.

I know only bad Ends with people who f.... the company and there are a lot.

[barista]

Basicaly the company agree to pay a pilot and then dont.

They had plenty of chance to pay this guy and they dont.

He appoint lawyers who rite asking him to pay they dont.

He take them to cort and they lose.

Now they ignore the cort instruction to pay so soon maybe the repo man will be on the job.

So this time the company try to f... someone as you say and this time they lose.

A bad End?

[saffron]

the pilot manager involved is losing pilots regularly by his outrageous behaviour, another pilot has just left because he has not been payed for two months,as for fairplay & pune,I am speechless......

[formerijmpilot]

Any responses from any other current or former employees is always welcome.

Pune: You must be aware that I have worked for several, or even many other companies, and have valid comparisons.

You must also be aware, that I did attempt to try and change some relevent areas, but with no success.

I have worked with many companies out of Moscow, and mostly they have all been very professional.

Keep on trucking.....

[formerijmpilot]

I shall be back in Moscow early November for a week, and hope that we can all getogether and swop war stories.....

Perhaps on the 12th Floor of the usual hotel.

I know there are several old guys with great stories, that will entertain the new guys.

Sounds like a fun time.

former