Canadian ATP conversion FAA ATP

[jon1234]

Ladies and Gentleman any help would be appreciated on this! I hold a Canadian ATP and under the new agreement with the FAA i believe in under to convert to a FAA ATP we have to do the associated written exam which covers the air law and other differences. Does anybody know which books to get to pass the exam? I have bought the generic book to pass the normal exam (ASA ATP Test Prep) but this covers the whole syllabus and i don't want to go over it all again. Thanks for any replies.

[angryblackman]

Since the bilateral agreement became effective 1 December 2006, the book publishers have not developed a training book that covers the forty questions the FAA has established for the exam(s).

The FAA established a 40 question exam for each level - Private, Commercial, IFR, and ATPL. Transport Canada has established a 20 question exam for each respective licence.

So, until then, you'll just have to broadly cover the subject material and hope it's sufficient to pass the appropriate exam.

[angryblackman]

P.S. Be sure to submit you request for Canadian Licence verification with the FAA in Oklahoma City stating which FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) you will be traveling to to obtain your FAA certificate.

You won't be able to secure an FAA certificate unless you submit with your FAA application, the authorization letter that will be mailed to you from Oklahoma CIty. A copy of the same FAA authorization letter will be sent to that resepctive FSDO that you listed in your request, so you will be required to visit the same FSDO to secure your FAA certificate.
How long it's taking for the FAA to verify your Canadian Licence is unknown at this time.
You can take the 40 question exam at any time, via FAA-authorized computer testing sites. The FSDO's are not set up to administer written exams anymore, unlike Transport Canada.

[gooneydog]

And to go FAA to CA What is the new process???

[jon1234]

Thanks a lot for the help, much appreciated!!

[angryblackman]

FROM TRANSPORT CANADA WEBSITE:

Advisory Circular and Staff Instruction:
Further information is available in the Advisory Circular and Staff Instruction

Conversion process / Medical Examination / Application:
Pilots wishing to take advantage of this conversion opportunity to obtain a Canadian pilot licence or rating need to follow these steps:

First -- undergo a medical examination with a Canadian Civil Aviation Medical Examiner.
Second -- once you receive your Canadian Medical Certificate and licensing file number, you can forward to your nearest General Aviation Licensing office the Application for Verification and Conversion of an FAA Pilot Certificate form.
Third-- When we receive this application, we will confirm with the FAA details of your US certificate so we can proceed with issuing your licence or ratings based on this conversion process.

Fourth-- Obtain Study and Reference Guides
While we're confirming your certificate status with the FAA, you need to prepare for the 20 question applicable examination(s).

Sixth-- Once you are ready to take the examination, you should contact the General Aviation Licensing office nearest to you to make arrangements to take the examinations.

When you are speaking with our Licensing specialists, they will be able to outline the additional steps you will need to take to complete the process.

Note: Unlike the FAA there are fees associated with the issuance of Transport Canada Licences and Medical Certificates. Each licence (PPL, CPL, IFR, ATPL) has it's own associated fees. Additionally, there is a $55.00 fee for the issuance / processing of the aviation medical certificate, which is in addition to whatever fees the aviation medical examiner charges.
Transport Canada will accept VISA/MC credit cards in paying these fees.

[angryblackman]

Submitted my FAA verification form to verify my Canadaian licences on 12/2/06 and received my letter from the FAA in Okalhoma City verifying my Canadian licences are valid on 12/29/06. 29 days....:D
Headed to Seattle FSDO to obtain my FAA tickets.

[angryblackman]

Today I just added type rating(s) on my FAA certificate based on the Canadian Licence. The Feds had to call Oklahoma City. I was apparently their first to apply, with my FAA letter from Oklahoma City in hand. But after an hour I had my temporary certificate in my hands.

[nubianeagle]

Good luck angryblackman on succesful conversion!

Has anyone written the Transport Canada ATP conversion exam? How many questions? How much time are you given? etc. The TC website is not helpful in this regard. What is the processing time in terms of exam graded and TC ATPL in your hand. Any help will be appreciated. Regards.

[angryblackman]

Transport Canada Inspectors in Vancouver say it allows 2 hours for the FAA conversion exam. It's a 20 question exam, they say it takes only 45-60 minutes. Exam is graded in Transport Canada's office, same day if not busy, otherwise, come back next day. Licence can be issued from each regional office throughout Canada, ie...Vancouver. Inspectors prefer you come back the following day to pick up licence, they don't like to be rushed in processing licence, ie...making sure application, fees, etc are all properly done.
I already have a Canadian ATPL licence, although I intend to renew my Canadian instrument rating using my FAA ATPL certificate and training records from flight safety. ie...reversing the process! Save myself the expense of doing a separate IFR rating ride to renew.

[nubianeagle]

Thanks. Regards.

[Shaikh N Hoque]

Thanks. Regards.


So, no more Samra & Sharon and INRAT written?

[angryblackman]

If you don't have an FAA airman certificate for PPL, CPL, IFR, or ATPL, then you will have to take all the Canadian examinations.

[Shaikh N Hoque]

If you don't have an FAA airman certificate for PPL, CPL, IFR, or ATPL, then you will have to take all the Canadian examinations.
I have ATPL from FAA

[Boeing737jock]

What about the type rating? when you convert from Canadian ATP to FAA ATP they will add my rating?

jock

[angryblackman]

Yes... the FAA will put every type rating that is on your Canadian licence.

[angryblackman]

[QUOTE=bunkhog;3082039]Angryblackman,

Could we establish contact by email....I have a couple of questions for you.
I'm doing the same thing with my licence now.

Leave me an email and I will contact you.
I'm not well liked on PPrune.

[yahntzeid]

angryblackman,

have you taken the 40 question exam in seattle. i have received my letter from the faa as well and i need to go down to the fsdo to take my exam and get them to issue my licence.

i would really like some info on the exam itself if you care to divulge. any particular study guides used?

thanks

y

[bunkhog]

I don't think you actually take the exam at the FSDO. Go online to the FAA website and search for testing centres. I'll be very surprised if there isn't one near you.

I'm in YYZ and there is one in Mississauga and another at the Buttonville airport. When you call the number of the testing centre near you, they will give you an 800 number for the folks that provide the test (can't remember the name). The testing centre will receive the test and act as proctor only. When you get you result, THEN you go to the FSDO with logbooks, medical (FAA), licence verification form, Canadian licence and passport.

I'm trying to study up for any airspace type stuff, O2 regs, and looking for communication differences. Alternate requirements, departure and take off. Just don't know what to expect.

Good luck.

Kevin

[bunkhog]

Anyone done this test yet?

[JJflyer]

So I understand that to tests with 20 questions each with 70% pass rate. Has anyone done these tests yet and what kind of questions can one expect. I have no experience in the Canadian system. So any help would be appreciated.

JJ

[7E7Flyer]

And I'm looking for study material and sample exams as well, but for a conversion of an FAA CPL/MEIR to a TC CPL/MEIR. Anybody got any information? Would be very much appreciated!

[AIR RICHELIEU]

INFORMATION REGARDING THE CONVERSION OF CANADIAN LICENCES (TCCA) INTO AMERICAN LICENCES (FAA)


Further to the signed agreement between the government of the United States and the government of Canada on the 31st of July 2006, here are the three necessary steps needed to convert your Canadian licence (TCCA) into an American licence (FAA)

These three steps are independent from one another and can be completed in any order.

1) Obtain a letter from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) verifying the authenticity of your Canadian licence; In order to do so, you must:
a) Fill out form AFS-760 (http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/media/verify61-75.pdf) by following the following instructions (http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/foreign_license_verification/);
b) Provide the location of the Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) (http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/) where you intend to retrieve your licence;
i) You will receive your verification of authenticity letter by mail;
ii) This process may take up to 45 days.
2) Obtain an American medical certificate (First Class for an Airline Pilot Licence, Second Class for a Commercial Pilot Licence and a Third Class for a Private Pilot Licence). A list providing names and addresses of all aviation medical examiners (AME) are listed here (http://www.faa.gov/pilots/amelocator/).
3) Take and pass at AIR RICHELIEU (http://www.airrichelieu.com/en-ca/ecole_de_pilotage_contact.asp) a written examination on air law and communication.
a) You must obtain a score of minimum 70% on a 40 questions exam;
b) Subjects to be studied for an ATP:

Air law and communications, containing specific United States requirements relating to:


Rules and regulations relevant to the holder of an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate;
Rules of the air/airspace; and
Appropriate air traffic services practices, communications, and emergency procedures.Reference materials;


14 CFR parts 1, 61, 71, 91, 119, 121 and 139;
49 CFR parts 172, 175, 830 and 1544;
FAR AIM; and
FAA-H-8083-25, Pilot’s Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge.

In possession of those three documents, you will be able to take an appointment with your chosen FSDO.

This Airman Certificate (Licence) is a full licence, without any restriction and not based on the basis of your Canadian licence.

All ratings applied on your Canadian airline transport pilot licence (including all type ratings but excluding flight instructor and float) will be transferred on your American airline transport pilot licence.

The instrument rating included on your Canadian commercial licence will be transferred on your American commercial licence.

Should you have any questions regarding this matter, please contact Mr. François-N. GARDES ([email protected]?subject=Licence%20conversion).

:)

[olmshoop]

Has anyone had any success in converting their Transport Canada ATPL to FAA yet?

I named Rochester as my FSDO for my application. I have the paperwork, and I'm scheduled to take the exam next week, however, the ROC FSDO people say they have not recieved their "staff instructions" on how to process the paperwork and therefor can't do it yet.

Has anyone successfully done the convertsion yet?

[MarkMcC]

The process as described above is spot on.

After getting my letter from Oak City, and my Class 1 medical I purchased the study guide software from:

http://www.dauntless-soft.com/Canada/

I had intended to study strictly from my FAR/AIM book, and I'm glad that I didn't. The study software made it easy, and in total I spend about eight hours studying (caution: I do have a fair bit of experience with the AIM and US procedures) the US ATP specific regulations.

Wrote the exam at UND aerospace, and then headed to the FSDO in Fargo where I had an appointment. I left twenty minutes later with the ATP in hand (and no fee from the FAA - as a nice little surprise at the end).

All in all the cost was about $US250 for the medical, software, and exam fees.

[Skullduggery]

This may be of use also, although I haven't actually used it.

http://www.gleim.com/products/productdetails.php?proID=6117

If you click "more" their description of the process seems to be fairly accurate from what I have read on the FAA and TCA websites.

[singesavant]

Cool, that's great!

Just a question, no mention about rotrocraft in tansport Canada site, anyone has an idea if the convertion from FAA to CAA is also working for helo atplh or cplh?
If yes, that woud be great!


Thanks for reply

[Panama Jack]

I spoke with an FAA inspector at the Seattle FSDO sometime last week. Aparently, the agreement only applies to airplanes. At the Seattle FSDO they've had a number of Helicopter pilots travel from Canada trying to take advantage of this new agreement . . . well, disappointed helicopter pilots, because they were soon pointed out that strangely, the reciprocal agreement is only drafted to address airplane/aeroplane pilots.

[singesavant]

Bad new, but anyway thanks for the information!

At this point, I don't really understand what's the interest for the US to apply for that convertion, cause at the end the proble of the visa statut to get in the US market is still there, whereas it's possible to break the Canada market...

any suggestions, probably the lacks of pilots in Canada?

[Panama Jack]

The FAA Inspector and I pondered the same, also arriving at the conclusion that regardless of what the Federal Aviation Administration and Transport Canada arrive at, the other limiting factor as in most countries is the immigration authorities' blessing, in this case, namely the Immigration and Naturalization Service and Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

Still, a welcome step towards increased harmonization.

[singesavant]

That's for sure and that's better for everybody!

[Panama Jack]

If you want to read the applicable FAA Advisory Circular pertaining to the matter, it is AC 61-135, and can be downloaded here:

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/84a724ff35f1089086257245004b35a3/$FILE/AC_61-135.pdf

[North Shore]

That's for sure and that's better for everybody!
:rolleyes:Sure, a sea of drunken bar-slut pilots allowed to come up here to drive regional salaries even lower:ok:

[singesavant]

Yes I see what you mean!

[Panama Jack]

I guess I know what you mean North Shore, since things are so good in Canada. Maybe when a guy has flight time qualifications that will get him entry-level for Continental or United he can go to fly at Air Canada . . . Jazz. And after 15 years of above-industry average First Officer wages, he can make it to Captain on the DHC-8's.

[themulleye]

I understand you need a US medical... but dose anyone know if I can just show up at a FAA approved doctors office and just get it done or do I need to have a form of sorts for the FAA Doc to fill out and stamp (Similar to the Canadian med set up)

Thanks

Mulleye

[Panama Jack]

Compared to the process in getting a Canadian Aviation Medical, the FAA medical is more straight forward.

All FAA Aviation Medical Examiners have the required forms on hand-- they have serial numbers on them and the actual aviation medical certificate. You fill out a portion, they fill out the rest, and you then leave the doctor's office with the aviation medical certificate in hand. Unlike the Canadian document, it is a "one-time" certificate, no boxes on the back side for revalidation stamps-- when you go for another medical, you do the same form, and you walk out again with a fresh paper.

And of course, no bill in the mail from the FAA months later shaking you down for money! :cool:

While there are FAA Aviation Medical Examiners in Canada (there is at least one in almost every country of the world), if you are going to travel to the United States anyways, you may want to check what the examiner's fees are in the USA. Normally, quite a bit cheaper-- I've found them charging as much as a 1/4 or a 1/5 of what the Canadian resident FAA AME wants-- if you live near the border, the savings themselves pay for gas, meals, some shopping.

[Canuck15]

I know it's sound unbelievable but manage to do so the conversion in 7 working days. Both FAA and Transport Canada were really helpful ...It seems like a long process but if you follow all the steps then its fairly straight forward. Good luck to all of you .

happy landings

[JJflyer]

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=276210

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=257896

Posted this elsewhere some months ago:

I am sorry not to be able to go into specifics about the questions as I honestly do not remember them. It took me about 30 minutes to answer these and I passed on the first attempt with mid 80's on the points.
These where by no means easy nor was it a walk in the park. You are actually required to have a fairly good knowledge on the CAR's.
As for the Material. I recommend going through Culhanes online ATPL groundschool questions. This gave me an idea what to expect for the test itself and what type of questions are asked and how they are worded. Being totally unfamiliar with the Canadian testing system this proved very useful to me. Out of the Accelerated Aviation ATPL material I put a special emphasis on air law and procedures, learning most of the stuff and then when something needed clarification I would go through the Transport Canada website or the AIM and Jeppesen products.
Get yourself a copy of the Canadian AIM (Aeronautical Information Manual). Concentrate on the differences between FAR's and CAR's. I went through the manual with a toothpick. Before I started with the AIM, I went through the Jeppesen North America Flight Supplement Book. And pretty much learned all the regs and rules for Canada that this publication contains.
All in all it is not easy but not very hard either. If you have a good general knowledge on aviation law and ICAO rules etc and have a good study routine a weeks worth of study should do the trick. But like for me, having been out of the classroom for 10 years, it required some book digging.
Had I known about the Aerocourse option, I would have done what I did and then taken the course. I am pretty sure that this could have prepared me better and I would have had it easier on the test.
JJ

[express315]

Just did the test yesterday at Mississauga. To book a test you have to call 1-800-211-2754 (Laser Grade). Somebody mentioned Buttonville before, but it is not listed on FAA website and when I asked at Buttonville
airport nobody was aware of it.
I used ASA-TP-ATP-07 for preparation and spent about two weeks reading it and answering the questions (after a flying day).
I skipped Performance and Weather sections.
The test questions were exactly the same except for
a few questions which were not covered in the book. Anyway I passed.
I did a medical last week with Trevor A. Gillmore at Maple.
All the info I got from FAA website and some clarifications I picked up from
forums here and at avcanada.ca
I am heading to Detroit FSDO on October 9 to collect my certificate.

[Lessnessman]

Hi, anyone who has written the 40 question FAA test shed some light on the posed Q+A...
Are the questions multiple choice of A,B,C (ie 3 choices only or four,"D") ?
Are there any questions regarding flight Planning? (ie fuel + Trip calculations questions) the type which are chain questions..(multiple related questions).
Thanks in advance..

[themulleye]

Lessnessman
I just did the exam last week not to hard only A<B<C. Only one or two Q on flight planning, maybe one on a metar can really remember but no chain Q. I had the online course from Gleim, I only did the first few sections (up to but not including the Nav, Weather, IFR flights) and that was good enough. The exam is most on general airlaw, VFR over the top, flight time req and so on.

[Lessnessman]

Hey thanks for the feedback..I too studied with GLEIM and found the Flt planning questions...well tiresome..

Thanks again,

The ness man

[jetmandlite]

i'm happy to see this post of yours ... i'm going krazzzzy trying to
figure how to get questions and answers to this exam ... TC tells me
i will need to read every manual and find the differences ... i don't have that kind of mojo ... can you give a fellow pilot some helpful advise
fraternally
peter
[email protected]

[jetmandlite]

could you tell me something about the exam you took to change your FAA ATP to a canadian ATPL
peter [email protected]

[singesavant]

hi folks,

I heard that helicopters are now concerned by this easier conversion (by 2009).

Someone has any leads?

thanks

davy

[pilot_007_2001]

Friends,
Could you please advise me the procedure for conversion of my ICAO ATPL into Canadian ATPL.
Also I have around 800 hours as first officer on A-320 family.What is the job scenario in Canada?
All help is highly appreciated.