Evergreen Buying -400s?

[Zoner]

Rumor mill says Evergreen has bought 3 -400's from Icelandic. Can anyone confirm?

[MaxBlow]

We hear they bought 3 -200s from AAI.
AMH/ARV/ARP

-H has already been delivered last spring.
-P and -V to be dilivered Jan07.

All aircrafts are ex-LH machines.

Second hand info only.

[Dutch74]

Rumor mill says Evergreen has bought 3 -400's from Icelandic. Can anyone confirm?

I was told that all of AAI's 400's were purchased from CargoLux and leased back to CargoLux. I don't think they operate any 400's. But that doesn't mean they couldn't be the money machine behind such an arrangement.

[Zoner]

Originally posted by MaxBlow:
"We hear they bought 3 -200s from AAI.
AMH/ARV/ARP

-H has already been delivered last spring.
-P and -V to be dilivered Jan07.

All aircrafts are ex-LH machines.

Second hand info only."

Three ex LH -200s are at the zone now with two more coming in January.
Two pax -400s are in Marana waiting conversion. The three -400s in the rumor are more recent rumblings.

[angryblackman]

Evergreen's scum bag owner Del Smith wouldn't spend his money on an overpriced B747-400. He fly's old beat up B747-100 / -200 aircraft with P&W engines from the used market. Look how long it took him to obtain Lufthansa's -200's with GE engines. It had to be CHEAP before he bought them.

The Evergreen whores who fly for him (low pay and no benefits) say the Lufthansa -200's are the queen of the fleet. Something to be said for the rest of the fleet which still operates with Pratt and Whittney engines.

Hey; Zoner's... Whatever happened to Mr S. Mehen who did 16 millon dollars worth of damage to Del's newer 747-200's with the GE engines landing in Siganella? Is he still in aviation or did the Fed's revoke his FAA certificates?

That what you get when you don't have a REAL union at Evergrim!!!!

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

Evergreen's scum bag owner Del Smith wouldn't spend his money on an overpriced B747-400. He fly's old beat up B747-100 / -200 aircraft with P&W engines from the used market. Look how long it took him to obtain Lufthansa's -200's with GE engines. It had to be CHEAP before he bought them.
The Evergreen whores who fly for him (low pay and no benefits) say the Lufthansa -200's are the queen of the fleet. Something to be said for the rest of the fleet which still operates with Pratt and Whittney engines.
Hey; Zoner's... Whatever happened to Mr S. Mehen who did 16 millon dollars worth of damage to Del's newer 747-200's with the GE engines landing in Siganella? Is he still in aviation or did the Fed's revoke his FAA certificates?
That what you get when you don't have a REAL union at Evergrim!!!!


Just seen snaps of the new TNT -400 at Paine Field. Looks stunning.

[jetplt24]

Evergreen's scum bag owner Del Smith wouldn't spend his money on an overpriced B747-400. He fly's old beat up B747-100 / -200 aircraft with P&W engines from the used market. Look how long it took him to obtain Lufthansa's -200's with GE engines. It had to be CHEAP before he bought them.

The Evergreen whores who fly for him (low pay and no benefits) say the Lufthansa -200's are the queen of the fleet. Something to be said for the rest of the fleet which still operates with Pratt and Whittney engines.

Hey; Zoner's... Whatever happened to Mr S. Mehen who did 16 millon dollars worth of damage to Del's newer 747-200's with the GE engines landing in Siganella? Is he still in aviation or did the Fed's revoke his FAA certificates?

That what you get when you don't have a REAL union at Evergrim!!!!


Hey, angryblack man, why are you so angry? Have you ever worked at evergreen before?

[Zoner]

Angryblackman,
You seem to mix fact and fiction to make your point. Some things I would agree with, but calling Evergreen pilots whores is not one. This group has fought for everything and stood up for their rights many times. They have backed other groups as well. Remember the UPS strike a few years back. Many other groups (NWA, Polar, Atlas) flew UPS freight. The Evergreen “whores” stood with IPA and did not cross those picket lines. Just like most other groups we have won some battles and lost some. Have you worked at the Zone?

[sidman]

Well I guess angryblackman never worked for the Zone or he has been gone for a while. While it is true Smith is not crazy about spending money they are looking to upgrade the fleet. The GE planes are nice but it would be nice to have something newer. As far as Mehen goes he went someplace else and I hear he is still working and the plane he ran off the runwaay was N485EV a PW powered -200. We did not even have 487,488 or 489 the GE jets at the time.

[WhaleFR8]

Angryblackman,
You seem to mix fact and fiction to make your point. Many other groups (NWA, Polar, Atlas) flew UPS freight. The Evergreen “whores” stood with IPA and did not cross those picket lines. Just like most other groups we have won some battles and lost some. Have you worked at the Zone?


I think you better prove that.

[sidman]

I agree! I don't think Atlas or Polar flew UPS cargo during the strike...

[filejw]

And there is no way NWA would either.

[mercpc9]

I think you better prove that.

Ditto....................................................... .........

And I used to work at Evergreen when not furloughed from them.

[sidman]

The Christmas Furlough... Thankfully that has not happened in a while. We lost alot of good people over the years. I hope you moved on to something better!!

[ship's power]

For shame, angryblackman. I had never met a zoner (or ex-zoner) that couldn't prove their aviation worth. They certainly know how to take punishment!

[free at last]

Angryblackman,
You seem to mix fact and fiction to make your point. Some things I would agree with, but calling Evergreen pilots whores is not one. This group has fought for everything and stood up for their rights many times. They have backed other groups as well. Remember the UPS strike a few years back. Many other groups (NWA, Polar, Atlas) flew UPS freight. The Evergreen “whores” stood with IPA and did not cross those picket lines. Just like most other groups we have won some battles and lost some. Have you worked at the Zone?
You need to check the facts before you say things you know "nothin " about. Tis better to be thought a foul than open one's mouth and remove all doubt!

[Graybeard]

EV has contract to operate the 747-400 super guppies for Boeing, so they may as well add some more to the fleet. Their fleet needs depend on the ongoing need for lift to the middle east, of course.

Have any of you run the numbers to show it is as economical to run a -400 in cargo ops, vs a -200? If not, maybe you have no basis to complain about Smith. When you pay high rent on a plane, you better get high utilization, like hauling SLF on a sked.

GB

[Zoner]

Teamsters went on strike at UPS and IPA supported them by not crossing their picket lines. IPA asked other pilot groups to honor the Teamster picket lines as well. Evergreen pilots refused to fly any UPS work during the strike even though threatened by management. Most of the Polar pilots also refused but some did fly UPS. ALPA determined that because it was Teamsters strike they would fly UPS hence Atlas and NWA were on the SDF ramp with Polar. Angryblackman said Evergreen pilots were whores and did not have a "real" union. My point is that all unions, real or not, do not always do the right thing. Self interest gets in the way. By the way, the Captain on the first Polar flight into SDF that day was an ex-zoner and a friend of mine. He is still my friend.

[WhaleFR8]

Teamsters went on strike at UPS and IPA supported them by not crossing their picket lines. IPA asked other pilot groups to honor the Teamster picket lines as well. So this was not a UPS pilots strike as you implied in your earlier post.

Evergreen pilots refused to fly any UPS work during the strike even though threatened by management. Most of the Polar pilots also refused but some did fly UPS. Better prove that one too.

ALPA determined that because it was Teamsters strike they would fly UPS hence Atlas and NWA were on the SDF ramp with Polar. Once again have any proof? ALPA doesn't determine anything. It is usually a person. Who at ALPA put out the communication to that effect?

I remember Atlas flying TO SDF which they would have been required to do (so they probably were "on the ramp") - but I can't recall even one aircraft that carried one stick of UPS freight.

My point is that all unions, real or not, do not always do the right thing. Self interest gets in the way. Sure, and that is a true statement. But it ain't the UNION'S self interest. It is the individual pilots self interest. Sorry but in this case a strike by teamster truckers would be hard to support from the air-side unless they could put up a picket line on the ramp.

By the way, the Captain on the first Polar flight into SDF that day was an ex-zoner and a friend of mine. He is still my friend. Did he just park on the ramp or did he actually carry cargo?

This is similar to the AFL-CIO asking us not to stay at some hotels in support of their members. Do you know which hotels we should not be staying at? How about which table saws we weren't supposed to buy last year? Moslty you just need proof of all of your statements.

[angryblackman]

Quote: "I had never met a zoner (or ex-zoner) that couldn't prove their aviation worth. They certainly know how to take punishment! "

That's exactly why evergreen pilots are whores...

Instead of dishing out the punishment to that old man (Delford Smith), you pilots suck up to him and take the punishment year after year. ...Your whores.

You even go to his management meetings at recurrent or initial training and stand there with your hands over you heart pledging the allegiance to the flag like elementary school children. What kind of crack are you smoking down there in Hootterville, Oregon you idiots?

You have two executives named SMITH, who start two different cargo airlines. One is named Del and the other is named Fred.

Fred runs a multi-billion dollar worldwide airline business that hires pilots with a four-year college degree (no exceptions) and many with a master's degree with prior military experience. And pay six figure incomes to all his pilots and many of his mechanics.

Del runs a million dollar half-ass airline from the middle of no-where Oregon with beat up B-747's from the used market. To cheap to buy new airplanes, and has pilots who many still have only High School diplomas and no college. ...That's why there at Evergreen and not at Fed Ex.
Evergreen pays substandard wages that takes over 12 years of misery to break 100,000 dollars a year, assuming your a Captain and have not been either fired or laid off by former managers like Robert Warren - a pure A-hole.

Fed Ex pilot will retire with a hefty pension, Evergreen pilots will retire with nothing but what they saved in their 401K-scam plan that Del gave them.

Who's running the Evergreen Crew Member association; you know... the one Del Smith put on the property after he ran off the teamsters union back in 1995? Is former manager, Bob Chapman running the do-nothing-unless-Del says-so-union?

Until you quit and find real jobs or have the balls to turn Evergrim into Fed Ex...your whores.

Auburn

[angryblackman]

Rumor mill says Evergreen has bought 3 -400's from Icelandic. Can anyone confirm?

Evergreen isn't buying the -400's. TNT is.

Evergreen fly's 'em because labor is so cheap for TNT. TNT did the same thing in the early 1990's with Evergreen DC-8' flying between Colgne and New York.

[jetplt24]

Quote: "I had never met a zoner (or ex-zoner) that couldn't prove their aviation worth. They certainly know how to take punishment! "

That's exactly why evergreen pilots are whores...

I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS ABM, BUT I DOUBT HIGHLY THAT YOU ARE ONE WHO OPERATES WITH ANY RESPECT AND DIGNITY.

Instead of dishing out the punishment to that old man (Delford Smith), you pilots suck up to him and take the punishment year after year. ...Your whores.

DISHING OUT PUNISHMENT TO THE MAN IS WHAT COST EASTERN AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS GENIUS, PLEASE NEVER LEAD ANY MEC IN NEGOTIATIONS.

You even go to his management meetings at recurrent or initial training and stand there with your hands over you heart pledging the allegiance to the flag like elementary school children. What kind of crack are you smoking down there in Hootterville, Oregon you idiots?

INITIAL NEW HIRES ARE REQUIRED TO ATTEND A MEETING, AND THIS IS BAD HOW? I DOUBT ANYONE IS SALUTING ANYTHING LIKE LITTLE SCHOOLCHILDREN, BUT IF ATTENDING A MEETING IS SMOKING CRACK, THEN PLEASE LOWER THE PRICES OF YOUR CRACK BAGS OTHERWISE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FIND A DIFFERENT DRUG DEALER WHICH WOULD PROBABLY MAKE YOU AN EVEN ANGRIERBLACKMAN!!!

You have two executives named SMITH, who start two different cargo airlines. One is named Del and the other is named Fred.

Fred runs a multi-billion dollar worldwide airline business that hires pilots with a four-year college degree (no exceptions) and many with a master's degree with prior military experience. And pay six figure incomes to all his pilots and many of his mechanics.

HATS OFF TO FRED SMITH AND ANY FEDEX PILOT FOR BEING PRIVELAGED TO WORK THERE! LIKE UPS AND SWA WHO ALSO CURRENTLY RULE THE AIRLINE WORLDS, I DOUBT ANY OF THEM HAD EASY ROADS OR OPERATED WITH LESS THAN STELLAR COMPENSATION OR CONDITIONS AT SOME POINT.

Del runs a million dollar half-ass airline from the middle of no-where Oregon with beat up B-747's from the used market. To cheap to buy new airplanes, and has pilots who many still have only High School diplomas and no college. ...That's why there at Evergreen and not at Fed Ex.
Evergreen pays substandard wages that takes over 12 years of misery to break 100,000 dollars a year, assuming your a Captain and have not been either fired or laid off by former managers like Robert Warren - a pure A-hole.

HEY ANGRYBLACKCRACKDEALER, DOES IT MATTER WHERE AN AIRLINE HQ IS BASED? THE AIRCRAFT MOVE AND GO WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED, I HAVE BEEN TO BOTH MEM AND SDF AND NEITHER IS A SINGAPORE, HONG KONG OR LAX MAJOR SHIPPING PORT, BUT FEDEX AND UPS HAVE MADE THEM WORK. EVERGREEN MAY NOT BE A FEDEX AND HAVE OLDER AIRPLANES, BUT DEL AND HIS PILOTS ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO HAVE SECURED A 20 YEAR CONTRACT FOR BOEING TO TRANSPORT THE NEW 787. LIKE IT SAYS ON THE EVERGREEN CONTRACT."BOEING TRUSTS EVERGREEN WITH THE 787".....BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT EVERGREEN'S DECADES OF TRANS-PACIFIC 747 EXPERIENCE COUNTS ALONG WITH A HIGHSCHOOL DIPLOMA, BECAUSE IM SURE BOEING RUNS DELLS WITH MICROSOFT XP OS's THAT COME FROM TWO OTHER GUYS WITH ONLY HIGHSCHOOL DIPLOMAS.....
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT EVERGREEN WAGES ARE NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE, AND THAT IS THE CHALLENGE AT EVERY AIRLINE, THAT IS HOW TO STRIKE A BALANCE WITH PROFITABILITY WHILE SECURING GOOD WAGES, JOB SECURITY, GOOD SCHEDULING, AND THIS ALL STARTS WITH THE TOP PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE, UNTIL THE ABOVE COMES INTO PLAY THE TROOPS HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.......I THINK THIS IS ALL A PROCESS OF EVOLUTION AT EVERY WORK PLACE THAT HAPPENS AND HAS TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.`

Fed Ex pilot will retire with a hefty pension, Evergreen pilots will retire with nothing but what they saved in their 401K-scam plan that Del gave them.

Who's running the Evergreen Crew Member association; you know... the one Del Smith put on the property after he ran off the teamsters union back in 1995? Is former manager, Bob Chapman running the do-nothing-unless-Del says-so-union?

Until you quit and find real jobs or have the balls to turn Evergrim into Fed Ex...your whores.

YOU SEEM TO KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT EVERGREEN, HAVE YOU WORKED THERE BEFORE? IF SO, I'D LIKE TO WAGER A MONTH'S SALARY ON THIS WEBSITE THAT YOU DONT HAVE THE LITTLE BLACK BALLS TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF TO THEM, BECAUSE IF YOU DO HAVE ANY DIGNITY OR RESPECT FOR YOURSELF AND OTHERS, YOU WOULDNT HAVE SPEWED SUCH BAD BREATH.

BOTTOM LINE, THERE ARE GREAT AIRLINES AND THERE ARE THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET BETTER. SOME TAKE-OFF QUICKER THAN OTHERS, WHILE OTHERS SINK A BIT LOWER FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IF A PILOT ENDS UP AT A PLACE WITH LESS THAN DESIRABLE CONDITIONS BECAUSE OF FURLOUGH OR WHATEVER, HE OR SHE IS PUTTING FOOD ON THE TABLE AND REMAIN FLYING AND CURRENT. IM NOT SAYING THAT ALL PILOTS AT THE NON-SKEDS ARE GREAT AND SOME TRULY DONT HAVE BACKBONES AND WILL NOT HOLD THEIRSELVES TO PROFESSIONAL OPERATING STANDARDS, BUT I AM SURE THAT ANY PILOT AT SAID NON-SKED WILL SAY THAT THEY REPRESENT THE MINORITY AND NOT THE MAJORITY.

EVERGREEN IS NO WORSE OFF THAN CONTINENTAL AIRLINES WAS BACK IN THE LORENZO DAYS, BUT ID DOUBT THAT YOU WOULD CALL ANY B777 CAPTAIN AT CONTINENTAL A WHORE FOR REMAINING STEADFAST TO HIS PROFESSION, TO HIS FAMILY AND TO HIS FELLOW PILOTS BY REMAINING CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS THROUGH ONE OF THE TOUGHEST PERIODS IN THAT AIRLINE'S HISTORY. THEY ARE TO BE COMMENDED, AND SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE, AND HOPEFULLY THE EVERGREEN GROUP OF AVIATORS WILL ACHIEVE SIMILAR SUCCESS, BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN NEITHER GROUP ARE WHORES.

THE ONLY WHORES HERE ARE THOSE THAT ARE "ANGRY" BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF THEIR LIFE IS DEPENDANT ON THE MONEY THAT THEY MAKE BECAUSE THEY DERIVE NO HAPPINESS, FULFILLMENT, OR SENSE OF PROFESSIONALISM OUTSIDE THE "BENJAMINS THAT THEY MAKE"


Auburn
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[sidman]

I think Angryblackman worked for Evergreen years ago and has not been able to see what is going on now. He was speaking about Bob Warren who is now gone, Chapman has not been in charge of the union in a while and is turning 60 in Jan or Feb. Things are changing here at Evergreen, but change is taking a while. The Boeing contract is great and we have heard that there are -400's on the way for the airline also. The old -100's are going to be going away and if he can get his hands on cheap -200's I don't see what the big problem is. From what angryblackman is saying we are going to be flying the TNT-400's? I have not heard that! I don't know where he gets his twisted info from but I wish him luck in what ever he is doing.

[trashhauler]

For the angryblackman, a little info. Fed Ex does not require a college degree for hiring. Go to the Fed Ex web site and check it out.

[trashhauler]

I stand corrected. the web site does show a requirement for a college degree. Gomen Nasai asthey say in Japan.

[q100]

More relevantly, since they ARE supposedly hiring, to whom should one address a cover letter? Thx.

Q

[Willit Run]

I don't work for Evergreen.
AngryBlackMans grammar skills are certainly not college level. If he has a "college degree", he obviously bought it from the back of mad magazine.

I'm quite certain I would rather be at a party with Evergreen folks than ABM.
College degrees don't make a Pilot. Look at how many accidents and incidents the Fed-Ex boys and girls have to show for their college degrees. Thats not something to write home to momma about.

Happy New Year!

[trashhauler]

Go to the Fed Ex web site and apply there. Good luck.
And with the slam on the Fed Ex guys and their college degrees; when you consider the amount of flying that Fed Ex does and the odd ball places they go at times, I would say the record is darn good. Fed Ex flies more in a day than Evergreen does in a year.

[sidman]

What ODD Ball places? FED-EX has 600+ jets. EIA has 13 747s + two on the way and the LCF.

[angryblackman]

Evergreen isn't buying B747-400's.
Years ago Del Smith would place an order for a -400 while on the production line, then as the delivery date approached, he'd turn around and sell the airplane to whomever was deperate enough for one. He never had any intention of owning one.
Del couldn't afford the parts for one let alone the lease payments.
Del's got to pay for that museum in Hootterville, (no-where) Oregon.

Auburn Calloway

[sidman]

No one said new -400's!! I know years ago Smith would but 767 spots on the line then sell them but I never heard of him buying 747-400 spots. But I guess you would know!

[mary_hinge]

.
Auburn Calloway
I thought I recognized the name, and this must have been mentioned before but you seem to be the total opposite of someone else with the same name
http://www.google.co.uk/search?

hl=en&q=Auburn+Calloway&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

[layinlow]

Check out the Fed Ex route charts and you will see some pretty wild spots. Reading through the LIDO charts, there were warnings all over the place, especially in Alaska, Asia, and the South Pacific.

[WingOffLight]

I doubt he is Auburn Callaway.:ouch: