CTC Social Thread

[Dublin645]

Hi there poss, congratulation on passing the second phase.

i've got my second phase coming up soon and i would appreciate if you could answer a few questions.

1) what was the maths test like and the type of questions asked?
2) what was the pilapt test like, how many different tests are there?

Thanks :)

[Bigaircraft]

Ach I see, was wondering only coz a mate of mine wants to see if they can get onto the iCP scheme. No one at CTC seems to tell you anything!

Incidently, for all you guys heading out to NZ, best of luck, I've just come back with CP45, it was awesome :ok:

[poss]

I think that CTC are looking for the same standards on iCP as they are on the Wings course. If they have been rejected for the wings course it might mean no access to the iCP one. Theres never any harm in trying.

djcrossedfingers and myself are going to the March 5th Phase 3 selection, anyone else going on this date? Might be worth meeting up for a bite to eat.

:ok:

[Bambe]

Poss... the ICP course is a self funded course and it's clearly said that they'll give you there feeling but you'll make the final decision...

Just keep in mind that you'll be trained in NZ with all the others cadets but after the training they'll get a job...But not you!!! It's a bit frustrating isn't it?

Anyone can enter the ICP course!!!

[Geetea]

Sorry to be very random but does anyone know if there is a piano out in the accomadation out in NZ? Im a keen player and it would kill me not to be able to play one for almost a year!!

[poss]

Bambe - Ahh right I see, I knew it was self funded; of course it makes sense that the cadets be given the decision. *slaps forehead*:ugh:

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If there isn't Geetea dont dismay - get this:

http://di1.shopping.com/images/pi/22/00/13/35471623-177x150-0-0.jpg

:}

[bjkeates]

Geetea, there was one when I was there, a couple of lads from an earlier course bought it and at the time it resided in one of the Clearways blocks. It was there when I left, but not sure if it still is now... I'm sure one of the guys currently out there will be able to enlighten you.

[Good User Name]

Geetea: Piano is still here, although it could probably do with a bit of a tune.

CP64 already!! Thats scary, but then I expect BJkeates finds my cp number scary being in the low 50's!

[Geetea]

Thanks for info! I was offered to come over this month but I thought i might as well get a degree out of my 3 year stint at uni!

[Bigaircraft]

It was there when I left in december, I think it's still in Britannia block at clearways!

Its horrendously out of tune though, good to play :)

[Lauren9]

Hey guys,

Anyone on CP59 leaving 12 March??

[airbus...]

Lauren9 - Check your PM's

[PilotChris]

Anyone on CP61 leaving 7th May?? im a few months behind you guys!! lol

Chris

[Exhibitz]

Ye Chris, I am, and I know of one other person too. Feel free to pm me with msn or anything :)

[The African Dude]

I feel special, sandwiched between both of you on CP60!! Anybody else in for the April course? :ooh: Oh, and does anybody know how hard SQ/Emirates will laugh at me for trying to take skis to NZ?......

[bjkeates]

If you can get them through the melee that is Terminal 3 at Heathrow, I'd say you deserve to take them.

Presumably there'll be an excess charge to pay, I'd check with the airline before you go. You'll probably find it cheaper to just hire the gear out there though; plus, you'll be reasonably busy out there so probably won't get a great amount of use out of them anyway.

[PAJ]

I'd second what Mr Keates said, leave the ski's in the uk! The skiing at Whakapapa is not too bad but there are a lot of rocks around - I definitely slightly damaged the skis I hired when I went off piste. Plus the season is not that long so you won't get that many opportunities to get down there. Last season started in June but the snow was crap until about the middle July. By the middle of September the snow was getting pretty thin again so its only about 8-10 weeks. The South Island resorts do have longer seasons but I highly doubt you will get too many opportunities to get down there.

What you can do is when you go to Whakapapa, buy a 5 day lift pass (can be used any 5 days in the season). Ski hire is about £9 per day I think.

[The African Dude]

Cheers for the info!
I managed to munch rocks today even when I stayed ON piste (Switzerland). Honestly, this global warming. They'll be talking about reducing fuel burn next. :E

[sleepyrascal]

i set off tomorrow (monday 11th) for my phase 2 on the Tuesday. I think its fair to say i feel hugely under prepared (although im not really). Cant help thinking i'll get there and be way out of my depth. :sad:

SO much to do tomorrow. Hair cut, go accross town to my work to pick up my passport, get maps printed for the drive from LHR to Christchurch, and be at the airport for 10am.

Above all though... IM SO UP FOR THIS!!!!! :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::E:E:ok:

good luck to everyone for Tuesday (And everyone else who still has to go to Bournemouth) Who else is going on the 12th at 1pm. Remind me? I dont htink i have your real names. WOuld be nice to semi-know somebody..

[johnnyDB]

Hey SR, how did it go? I'm there next tuesday, also for phase 2.
Are there any changes in the tests or is it stil much as has been said here already?

Thanks.

[sleepyrascal]

The test is really nothing to worry about. Brush up on your maths and you will be fine.

It was an enjoyable day overall. Nice to meet everyone and it was good to meet some of the people who are almost at the end of Wings.

Im not sure if im confident or not. I got a crap score for the final test (hand eye math calculation coordination) compared to almost everyone else i spoke to.

Only time will tell!!!!!!!!!! :ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

[CapCon]

How did everyone get on at Phase 2 yesterday afternoon? (12th Feb). I've been invited to Phase 3 but got to retake the maths test :{ Anyone attending Phase 3 on the 28th of Feb?

Ollie

[sleepyrascal]

Yeah Ollie i'll be there on the 28th! :ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

I hope everyone else got through!!!!! ????

[Geetea]

Good effort guys! Im just back from Gatwick from doing my class 1 medical, thankfully got through so 6th of August, New Zealand here I come! I know one guy who is on CP64 with me,anyone else who makes it on to the course, please PM me.

[poss]

Good to hear you passed your medical class 1 Geetea.. I bet you are still bouncing off the walls lol.
Good luck to the guys at Stage 3 on the 28th.

[Geetea]

Hey guys,

For those who have sorted your finances out, how did you go about this and did you just use the folk that CTC recommended? If you dont feel comfortable posting it,please PM me instead.

[Exhibitz]

Yeh, Lynda pretty much sorts everything out for you. Just give her a call and she'll tell you all details and terms of the loan, and arrange a time/day to travel down to sign the paperwork. All pretty straight forward really!

[woskam]

Hi all,

I'm going to Stage 2 on the 18th March, anybody else attending on the same day?

Also, to anybody who is going or who has already been to CTC in Bournemouth, where is the best place to stay if I go down the night before? Are there many hotels nearby? I don't really want to stay 10 miles away and struggle through the early morning traffic!

Cheers

[sleepyrascal]

i stayed at the queens hotel. Bit of a dive but decent enough for £35 (when booked through www.superbreak.com (http://www.superbreak.com)) plus you get a full cooked breakfast.

Someone on here mentioned their granny had stayed in a b&b/pub with rooms near CTC. I looked it up and it is literally 3/4 minutes away. Single room is £55 per night.

Hopefully whoever it was who posted that originally will come along and remind us.

[woskam]

sleepyrascal thanks for that, here's to hoping the owner of said granny comes forward!

[Shakuri]

woskam, try the Innkeepers Lodge (www.innkeeperslodge.co.uk (http://www.innkeeperslodge.co.uk)) if you book enough in advance its £30 with breakfast included. Also its by the hospital which is outside the centre of Bournemouth and right next to the a338 so its very close to the airport.

[woskam]

Cheers Shakuri, I'll look into that. £30 is certainly a lot less than I was expecting to have to pay.

[Geetea]

plenty of B&Bs in Christchurch and especially on Stour Road! rooms for around 30 quid with breakfast included and very handy for the airport,far handier than Bournemouth

[Davina777]

As I was saying on the other CTC thread..

If you want the closest place to stay for CTC bournemouth, Avon Causeway is just 3 mins away and when my gran stayed there last august it was only £14 b&b for a small single room.

Handy for anyone to know if your on a tight budget, or just wanna spend the savings on beer (beer there is fab!)

http://www.avoncauseway.co.uk/index.html

[Miss_Cassutt]

Hi,

I don't know if you will remember but I was the only girl on Stage 2...:)
Congratulations on going on Stage 3. I hope everything will go well for you (and all the others). I passed the math test but I am retaking the aptitude tests next week...I got an error message on the concentration tests. They told me I would have passed otherwise...
Wooh...I feel the stress coming back... but I really got to give my best!

All the best.

Lydia

Ps: do you know how many passed the stage 2?

[woskam]

Just a note for those looking to stay at Avon Causeway for any future Stage 2 assessment, I booked a room last night and it was £55 per night for a single room, and £65 per night for a double room. I assume the quoted price of £14 only applies if you book early enough...although my Stage 2 is on the 18th March which is still a month away so I don't know!:confused:

[poss]

Oh that sucks Lydia, good luck for your retakes! Let us know how you get on.

[Ghostie31]

Hi all,

Im down for Phase 2 on the 11th MAR.

Just wondering if anyone has done the RAF aptitude tests and the CTC ones. If so, how do they compare?

Many thanks

Ghostie

[CapCon]

Hi Ghostie,

I reckon the RAF tests are considerably tougher than the CTC ones (I've done both) I think the RAF went into a lot more detail.

CapCon

[EI350]

Hi everyone,

Was just wondering if any of you went to the FLYER exhibitions and spoke to CTC? I was thinking of flying over on April 19th from Dublin just to go and talk to them! Is there much point or do they just tell you basically what's on their website?

Cheers, EI350

[Bungles]

EI350
I went to the flyer show in november mainly to go and speak to the guys on the CTC stand. Its worth the trip as they have current graduates (post NZ) on the stand. I got to their stand early in the day and I managed to have a 20min chat with one of the graduates who answered all of my numerous questions.
Its worth going anyway beacuse all the big training schools are there and there are seminars with people from the industry. All in all a very informative day.

It didn't help me pass stage 3 though! :{

[EI350]

Thanks alot Bungles for the advice. I'm arriving into LHR early so hopefully I'll get to have a good chat with them! Really sorry to hear that you didn't make it.

Best of luck,
EI350

[Locarno]

Hey everyone - does anyone have their phase 3 this week?

infact, does anyone have any phase 3 any time soon - I'm starting to panic and need a chat!

[poss]

I along with a friend have ours this week, wednesday to be exact!

[johnnyDB]

i'm next week wednesday...

[poss]

Happy to say that myself and at least 2 others of the 8 that were on the 5th's stage 3 passed. Stage 4 soon! Thinking of going for the 14th is anyone wants to meet up!

[CapCon]

Anyone else heading down to Nursling for Phase 4 next Thursday (13th)?

[poss]

Bah shame your going thursday mate, DJ and I are going friday.

[CapCon]

Ah that's a shame mate. Well done for getting through Phase 3 yesterday! :ok:

[poss]

Thanks! Well done for getting through phase 3 also :}
Where are you staying for phase 4? If your still around on thursday night it would be cool to meet up and get some grub!

[CapCon]

I'll be driving down from SE London on Thursday morning, I think it kicks of at 10.45 I've got to rush back up to London for the evening but you never know, we may end up on the same course! Fingers crossed eh. :\

[CapCon]

Cheers DJ. And the same to you :ok:

[poss]

Yer that would be cool Cap.
Very much looking forward to getting into the sim, will be quite an experience.

[poss]

Any one at stage 4 on friday 14th? Apparently 3 people are going and two are DJ and myself.. would be good to meet up on the evening before:}

[poss]

Your probably right. Yes it will be very fun in the sim, final hurdle to get through though so got to keep in mind that we are still been assessed :}.

[CapCon]

Just had the phonecall saying I've passed Phase 4 today! Unbelievable! Had a really good time in the 737 sim and the instructor was great.

Andy (I know you read pprune :E ), would love to know how you got on today? Drop me a PM if you like. Found out that I'm on CP63 leaving 2nd July :eek:

If anyone wants any info on the selection feel free to PM me. I found these threads incredibly useful and would like to give something back.

Cheers,

CapCon

[PilotChris]

Congratulations CapCon on passing phase 4, its a nice feeling isnt it!! :ok:
Did you ask for a start date around that time or did they just tell you?? im heading out in may on CP61, just wondered if they'd filled all the courses up until CP63. Anyone else on CP61???

Chris

[CapCon]

Thanks Chris. Don't think its quite sunk in yet, sure it will soon. I don't finish uni till early June so CP63 was the next available for me.

Quick question for anyone who's already out in NZ. £5000 per year living expenses works out at around NZ$1020 per month. How expensive is living out there and is this a reasonable figure?

Cheers,

CapCon

[greywind]

the living expenses loan is enough to be getting on with out here in New Zealand. You aren't going to live like a king but you should be able to afford a few drinks every week ;-)

[bjkeates]

I got through NZ on about $700/month. It was a bit of a scrape and left me a little bit into my overdraft, but it is do-able if you're really careful what you spend. Food is cheap out there and fuel, when I left anyway, was about 1/3 of the price it is here.

[PilotChris]

Yeh i guess it does take a while to set in CapCon. Signing for the loan and looking at the repayments will no doubt speed the process up! lol
glad to know the living allowance loan is more than enough. im guessing after the first few months the amount your spending decreases as the work load increases??

Chris

[Geetea]

Number 4 on our course! Welcome to the pack! il PM u my msn if u have it

[CapCon]

Congratulations DJ!! :D

I guess you were driving yesterday when Aaron called? Think I probably would have crashed if I had found out before getting home :E

So who else is on CP63 heading out in July? There's a facebook group for 62 and 64 but no 63. Guess I'll have to make it :8

[jnoo]

hey, just a quick one to say i passed on the 14th and am heading out on cp64, can't wait!... hi to all cp64ers. well done dj! did aaron get through as well?

[poss]

Ayup jon I got through as well mate. Good to hear you also did.

[poss]

Dave I emailed Daph yesterday asking what format it would arrive, she said mail and tomorrow... Soooo that to look forward to ^_^.
Got my email sorted as well.

[Borg]

Hey guys,

Anyone going to their phase 2 on the 16th April? If so what's going on with the phases? When i booked up my phase 2 i recieved an e-mail saying that phase 2 and 3 were on the same day; what about phase 4 (fingers crossed!) Would that be on a different day?

Thanks

[poss]

Hmm are you sure you weren't mistaken. Phase 3 is an all day phase and phase 2 is a half a day phase.... unless they plan on going into the night? lol.

[Borg]

Yup positive. In my confirmation e-mail it said that from the 15th April the two phases are going to be on the same day; from 8:30 to 5:30. It doesn't mention anything about phase 4 though and i was just wondering if anyone knew anything about this?

[Gar]

That sounds brutal! At least it saves money on trips to Bournemouth I guess? :ooh:

[poss]

Ouch... that means your going to have to revise absolutely everything for one day whereas we had 2 seperate days with a few weeks in between.
I guess seeing as you are the first we have come across to do 2/3 in the same day then we can't be sure about stage 4. You can request it for the day after but usually you'll be given a list of dates to do it.

[leeus1]

And you're def not doing iCP? As i believe their selection is pilapt/numeracy and group exercises/debrief interview on the same day..

I think that's so harsh on you. After my phase 2 i was completely gone.. couldnt even read the time properly to sign out of the CTC building!!

Lee

[Gav28]

Hi,
Would anyone know if it's possible to defer your course start date by a year after being accepted into the wings scheme?

Thanks very much.

[poss]

I know of people that have put their start day back 6 months or so, not heard anyone do it for a year though. Best thing would be to ring them.

[poss]

Think of it this way, wait until you apply.. that way you will probably have more life experience to offer ctc in the interview and will give you ample time to finish whatever it is you are currently doing (presumably university) without too much distraction.

[Locarno]

Hey all! Just want to share that I had my Phase 4 on the 27th!

And...well...

I fly out to NZ on the 7th May!

I've actually never been this happy in my life - it's just such an incredible feeling to know that I'll actually going out.


So best of luck to everyone thats about to sit phases and congratulations to all the rest that have passed :)

J

[Kerosine]

I've actually never been this happy in my life - it's just such an incredible feeling to know that I'll actually going out.

I've never actually been this envious in my life! I'm anticipating (but not necessarily expecting) that moment myself! Congrats, maybe I'll see you out there some time soon :ok:

[CapCon]

That's great news Loc! Well done :D

The 737 sim was good fun wasn't it? ;) You had your welcome pack through? I'm heading out in July and seems like I've got loads to do. Leaving in May :eek: you're gonna be running your socks off :E

Well done again :ok:

[PilotChris]

Well done Loc. its a great feeling ey!!:ok:
lots of things to do before the 7th tho!!
Ive created a group on facebook for CP61 so make sure you join up and meet the rest of us!!

Chris

[poss]

Any of you table tennis players? Looking for some good games when I get down there :E. Don't know what other facilities are there though, play a lot of tennis and some badminton so hopefully theres that there as well :).
Guys on CP61 be sure to give us a heads up on what its like!

[CapCon]

Hi Poss,

I play squash and badminton if you fancy a match or two. From what I gather there is certainly a squash club nearby and cadets have a competition tree going on. Gonna look into joining that. Will give table tennis a try as well :ok:

[Locarno]

Hey the 737 sim was great fun!

Well I had the medical today, and the HSBC appointment...and the insurance....

Well medical - hardest part in that was not laughing as the optometrist wiggled about a few inches away from my face...it was HARD!

HSBC...was fun...Signing your life away like that was great fun...


But it just goes to show if you knuckle down the whole lot can be done in a day. The only thing I've got to get now is the Visa and it's NZ here I come!

As for NZ sports - I love all sports, especially when it's a competition!
And back when I was 8 I was my county champion at badminton - so bring it on :D

Jason.

[PilotChris]

well, ive just realised that Loc is infact Jason, and uve already joined on facebook, sorry buddy lol

table tennis sounds good! its been a while since ive played but im sure to be up for a few competitive games :ok:

Chris

[Wellington Bomber]

Have just heard that an ex-member of my crewing dept AMY has gone to NZ to become a pilot.

I did not know anything about it until the other day and was going to wish her good luck and hope to see her on the flight deck in the next 2 years

[adc3891]

Loc, I'm with you on the optometrist wiggling about.

I really had to bite my lip to stop myself laughing in his face. Don't think it would've looked too professional!

Got back to Gatwick and had a couple of hours to kill before meeting a friend in Clapham and realised they'd got my name wrong on the medical certificate. They'd managed to put my middle name as my first name so had to go back and get that changed!

[poss]

Righty boys its on ^_^. Ollie I think I'll have to join you for a game of squash mate. Just dug out table tennis bat, going to go play some tomorrow along with badminton - get back into practise in preperation :p.
Ive got my medical booked for 15th april, remember when I had my class 2 and the examiner didn't tell me whether he was going to grab my area or put his fingers on my thigh and get me to cough lol. It was a scary time :p.

[poss]

Yer I noticed it was the day after... are you going to be staying over near gatwick or driving down on the day?
My appointment is made with Lynda on the 24th April, have you got yours sorted?

[CapCon]

Haha yeah didn't you just love the RAF medical? I came out with such a true sense of violation :{ ;) The class 1 really isn't that bad. As Locarno and allmanc said, try to keep a staright face when the optometrist is wiggling around inches from your face. It's quite tricky.

Went down to HSBC yesterday. Lynda's very nice and helpful and it's really a simple process. Just wait till you see the repayment schedule though :E

Glad to hear it Aaron. Looking forward to carrying on squash and badminton while I'm out there :ok:

[poss]

Ahh she did say someone had the 2.30 appointment. Mines at 1pm. How strange that we have booked on the same day.:cool:

[poss]

Yes, it would seem us going at the same time has brought us good luck throughout the whole thing :p
I'm going to be going in the morning for the loan interview mate. Dad offered to take me.. your welcome to come along, ill be giving him diesel doshe.

[poss]

Ahh right wouldnt be convenient then would it... if you get there early enough could go for a bite. Don't know how long this meeting will take so we will see eh.
Yes man almost there now, just medical really to pass and then its a sure thing :)

[carlortega]

Congrats on all who passed! :ok:
I've got my phase 2/3 on the 7th may, anyone else?

[poss]

Neah Dave this is the correct thread as its the social aspect... the actual information thread has been turned into a chat room. :ugh:

[Lentäjä]

Hi Carlotega,
I have also phase2&3 on 7th of May:ok:. Nice to find someone else taking tests on that day.How is your preparations?

[fredduciel]

Hello everybody ,
I have a question for you guys who have assesments on the 7th of may ; when did you filled the forms on the internet to get those dates ? coz I filled around half of March and am wondering when I could be asked to come up for 2 and 3 assessments , thank you and good luck for you all
Fred.

[Lentäjä]

Hi Fred,

If I currectly remember I filled mine as well around mid March, I would suggest that you send them a message and ask statue of your application. Will show that your keen to get in.
Wish you luck:ok:

[adc3891]

"Got the giggles when I was getting my eyes tested thanks to you lot."

Nice to know we have been a help DJ! ;)

[fredduciel]

Thank you very much lentaja , let's try this , I'll get you informed , have a good preparation , go ! nice day to you all
Fred.

[Pilot RatBoy]

DJ, just read your post about running on the beach to wake yourself up. I just hope you leave enough time to get back as the beach is about an hour away!

[Pilot RatBoy]

sorry about the confusion, i meant its about an hours drive away. so you are probably looking at around about a 60 mile round trip. You'd certainly be fit after a while, lol!!!

[poss]

What recent changes are you referring to Dave in terms of HSBC?

[mattkcraven]

It looks like things might have changed (in the last few days) with the finance arrangement being done at Southampton HSBC instead of Hythe. Not sure if there possibly looking for a back-up plan as well from people, just given the current credit problems.

Then again could be a simple case that Hythe cant deal with the volume of cadets arranging loans there, really is a tiny branch. Im sure the guys organising there loans over the next week or so will shed more light on the changes.

[poss]

Hmm I was told that the appointment was just moved to southampton, no mention of whether the bank you actually get the loan from has chanced.

[Al W]

My phase 3 is on Tuesday 6th May. There seem to be a lot of people on the 7th, but none I've found on the 6th...Looks like it's just me then.

[Gar]

Groupwork might be difficult but at least you'll get interviewed first :D

[Ghostie31]

Hey, M** and T** who did their Phase 4 yesterday afternoon, would be great to know how you got on!

PM me if you want! Hope it went well

Cas

P.S. If anyone is on CP65 in Sept and have Facebook, theres a group (CP65 (http://http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28230683992)) Would be good to get to know each other on there!

[gmarsh]

Hey this is my first time leaving a comment on this!! I just found out that I have passed my phase 3 :O and I have phase 4 on the 8th May. Anybody else going on that date? If there is anyone who did their phase 3 on the 17th I would love to know how you got on. Cheers

[poss]

Thought it would be... good to know though :-).:ok:

[Gar]

Congrats again Gazza! (Presuming that's you anyway!)

Was anyone from our Phase 2 there on Thursday? There were 5 of us on the 10th. Seems like we must of been a pretty good Phase 2!

[nevilinio]

Hi Guys,

I've been offered a place with CTC :), and am aiming to head out in December/January once I've saved up enough spending money. Just wondered if anybody has recently acquired funding from HSBC since the credit balls up...

I've been given the details of the branch in Hythe but since the days of studentdom are not that far passed my credit history isn't brilliant, but now i've graduated its getting slowly better. Whats the application procedure like for it and timescales?

Cheers,

Nevilinio

[Ghostie31]

Is no one else coming in Sept with me?? :sad:

[gmarsh]

Cheers Gary!! and yes it is me lol! No there wasn't anyone from our phase 2 there at my interview day! They were all pretty sound fellas but so I can't complain. Is there anyone that can give me advice on the best place to stay when I go to Nursling? I so excited about going to it but im raging I have to wait 2 and a half weeks!!!! What is the problem with obtaining the loans at the minute?

[leeus1]

If you've got a car, i'd ask nicely to stay at Dibden Manor. It's only £45 a night and is very nice :) - about 15min drive to nursling.

[poss]

A little update on the finance situation.
Spoke to HSBC, the reason Lynda gave me as to the uncertainty of where our bank appointments will be is down to a reveiw of the way things are done with this CTC/HSBC unsecured loan. There aren't any new "conditions" in terms of getting the loan, it's just that depending on branch the loan is done at, the application either goes away for approval or gets accepted straight away. Lynda said that you may be asked for a contingency plan, which is really to expected anyway.
:ok:

[andrewawilson]

Hi,

I had my phase 3 on the 17th and am glad to say I passed! bring on phase 4 on the 8th of may!!!

just got to find somewhere to stay now!

Andy

[fly.NZ]

im going back to :mad: hamilton in a few weeks

is anyone else on here out there at the moment?

[poss]

Guessing your on the course then lol.
What makes you not like been there?

[MarcoFF]

Anyone going to phase 2/3 in 21. May? I arrive to London on 20th, and will probably catch a bus to Bournemouth. But if someone is travelling London -> Bournemouth on 20th by car, pm me and let's share a ride & gas expenses:ok:
Same on 21th back to London!

[Speedbird715]

(Well, in the same fassion as MarcoFF above: ;) )

I'm in Bournemouth on May 6th for phase 2 & 3 - just wondering if anyone else here is booked in for that date?


Holger

[komac2]

im going back to :mad: hamilton in a few weeks

May be you should stay home with that attitude - their ain't nothing wrong with :mad: Hamilton.

[Jenny149]

I am booked in for Stage 3 on May 6th. See you there!!:ok:

[poss]

Good luck guys, I don't envy you for having to do 2 and 3 together! :ugh:

[Al W]

I'm in Bournemouth on May 6th for phase 2 & 3 - just wondering if anyone else here is booked in for that date?


Holger

Yup, I am. :ooh:

[Kerosine]

Anyone set for stage 2/3 on the 30th (2 days!)?

D

[poss]

2 Days.. oo bet your getting nervous now! Hows the preperation coming along?

[Kerosine]

Wellll..... the downside is I'm cruising the prune instead of learning airline facts/figures, however Pprune is all aviation related to it can't be that bad!

Just started to read this (http://www.parliament.uk/post/pn195.pdf) actually, interesting stuff..

[poss]

You've got to take a break every now and then otherwise your brain will frazzle. Interesting stuff is the environmental affects of pollution.... rather difficult to find real figures on it though.

[Speedbird715]

I am booked in for Stage 3 on May 6th. See you there!!
Yup, I am.
Great! Feeling well prepared for what's ahead? ;) Where are you staying in Bournemouth? I'll be at Grosvernor Lodge B&B - seems to be a good choice.

Well, see you next week then! You'll propably recognize me.. se only German attending, that's for sure :p


Wellll..... the downside is I'm cruising the prune instead of learning airline facts/figures, however Pprune is all aviation related to it can't be that bad!
Hear, hear! Same problem. But then I don't think (hope) that knowing easyjet fleet statistics or something like that is going to be the deciding factor for the interview. Although at OAT/Netjets Stage 2 I was asked what the max range of a Hawker 400 is... let's call it "educated guessing" under pressure *LOL*

Good luck to you anyway! :ok:

[poss]

Hear, hear! Same problem. But then I don't think (hope) that knowing easyjet fleet statistics or something like that is going to be the deciding factor for the interview.

Even if you don't think it would matter why take the risk? There were many items I learnt about that had a possibility of coming up just because I was so determined to get through and I didn't want to leave anything to chance. I learnt all 8 airlines fleets, a few destinations, a few hubs, their histories and future plans. I was asked about easyjets fleet and future plans... the fact that I knew what they were, I feel, earned me a fair few brownie points because it shows I have the initive to go out there and make sure I am FULLY prepared. This also enforces the fact that I am interested in the company and the companies CTC work with.
I also highly recommend the Grosvernor Lodge B&B, djcrossed and I stayed there for most of our selection process and were very happy with it. If you go back to baileys round about theres a very nice place to eat there and if anything, we struggled with finding somewhere to eat - didn't want an indian or a chinese.

[Al W]

Great! Feeling well prepared for what's ahead? ;) Where are you staying in Bournemouth? I'll be at Grosvernor Lodge B&B - seems to be a good choice.

Well, see you next week then! You'll propably recognize me.. se only German attending, that's for sure :p
I'm staying at the Travel Lodge. I never thought to look up statistics or other information like that. I thought they'd be asking you about you rather than facts and figures that aren't necessarily relevant.
I see though now why they would, and as soon as I am able to stop revising for my uni exams, I'll have a trawl for useful information like that...as well as preparing as many of my answers as possible.

Getting a little nervous now.

[MarcoFF]

poss, may i ask what are these all 8 airlines where CTC seems to place pilots?

I am just going to phase 2/3, but I dont know are they going to ask some spesific questions about their partner airlines. I dont think so, maybe it is phase 4 where they might?

Should brush up though, I dont know enough about UK airlines:ugh:
Thanks,

Marco

[CapCon]

Marco,

It would be very wise for you to research CTC's partner airlines and look at aircraft, routes etc. Chances are you will be asked some sort of question on these airlines during the interview at Phase 3.

CapCon

[Gar]

Beware that at least two airlines are merging into other partners ;)

[Bambe]

I've had two questions about partners.
One about Thomas Cook fleet and the other easyjet hystory... How and when did it start, how many aircrafts....

Don't go for your phase 3 without learning everythings about the partners..
Wikipedia was very helpful to me.

[Robbo0885]

Hi all, anyone going to stage 2/3 at Bournemouth on 20th May? I'm flying down the night before and staying at Grosvner Lodge if anyone wants to share a cab in the morning....

Any ideas on what kinda percentage go pass phase 2 in the morning and get into phase 3 in the afternoon?

Thanks all.

[99jolegg]

We were told that 60% don't get through phase one (leaving 40 out of the 100). 50% don't get through phase two, leaving 20 at phase three of which 50% fail leaving 10 through to stage 4 which about 85% of people pass leaving 8 or 9 people getting through the entire selection process.

Rough figures, of course.

[komac2]

CTC Aviation looks at Indian carriers for placements
May set up Indian office depending on success
Chetan Kapoor - New Delhi

With the Indian aviation booming and the need for pilots felt not only in the country but the world over, New Zealand-based aviation training academy, Crew Training Centre (CTC) is surveying the option of partnering with Indian carriers for cadet placements. Speaking exclusively to Express AviationWorld, John Jones, chief executive, CTC Aviation Training said, "We have trained many pilots over the years. Last year alone, we trained over 1,000 pilots in our United Kingdom centre and almost 200 in New Zealand and placed them with partner airlines."

The academy has the reputation of 100 per cent placements and last year it also had a cadet appointed with Indian-private carrier, Jet Airways. Jones mentioned, "It is important to get airline partners in India for placements. We will take the students from India to our training centres and seeing how it fares, we may consider having an Indian office."
For Jones, it is vital to lay emphasis on quality which will in turn have a high success rate for the academy. CTC Aviation has three simulators in addition to 36 aircraft in Hamilton, New Zealand which includes Diamond DA42 TwinStars, Piper PA44 Seminoles and single engine fleet of Robins, Alphas and Cessnas. Trainees are offered Ab Initio training at the Hamilton centre while JAA standard training is offered in the UK centre.
Besides Ab Initio training, the academy has also launched an Airline Preparation Course (APC) which includes CRM, TEM and MCC. Its full-service airline training portfolio includes - aircrew selection, basic licence training, type rating training, bridge training, cost-effective sponsorship and employment programmes, command skills development, instructor and examiner training courses.

http://www.expresstravelworld.com/200804/aviationworld04.shtml

[Lentäjä]

Anyone going for Phase2&3 on 7th of May and staying at Queens Hotel, could share ride in the morning to CTC:)

[MarcoFF]

Cheers CapCon, i appreciate your advice.

Gotta do some research.

And still, if somebody is heading London --> Bournemouth on 21th by car, please dont hesitate to pm me, and we could share a ride:)

[Kerosine]

Thought I would post this here as it doesn't seem relevant to selection/CTC Wings thread.

Does anyone know if, after you've completed the first few months of basic training, you actually gain a PPL? Assuming I pass Stage 4 my parents keep talking about coming and seeing me and I'd love to take them for a flight. Does anyone know if this would be possible?

Short of that are you allowed to let people 'back-seat' while you train/hour build?

Thanks in advance!

[PAJ]

Wow DJ, you seem to spend a heck of a lot of time on these forums given the number of posts you have made!!

And I am afraid like a couple of your previous posts, you are a little incorrect. CTC is running the course from Wings Training Manual V.7.1 which recognises that the course CTC does is a JAA approved Integrated course. The foundation course does not include an NZ PPL, although the training takes you above and beyond PPL level. When you graduate onto the Wings course, you basically get about 25 hrs to consolidate your training through solo nav exercises, then your end of single engine phase test looks for you to effectively be up to a SE CPL standard before you progress onto the twins. On the old modular course, everyone would get a PPL as it was a pre-requisite, but CTC have been integrated for over a year now. Most of the hours removed from the old single engine phase syllabus have now been put at the end of the NZ multi phase where we do about 18hrs of SPIC enroute IFR work, which is the only opportunity you are likely to get to fly around the South Island on your training.

CTC are, I think, still offering the modular course to a few people, but you must have a current and valid PPL before starting the course and a few hours under your belt. You can go to an aero club (Waikato Aero at Hamilton are the closest) and do a check flight and then a flight test as you will sit the NZ PPL exams as a foundation to your ATPL theory studies, but I understand this is not that simple a process haing spoken to a few people who have looked into it. Hope that helps

[Kerosine]

Glad to hear from you too!
At what time do you have your simulator assessment on the 22nd?
I was told to be there at 07.00 for a 08.00 start on the sim.

Cant wait...:)
Mine is the same, 8am start. Do you know if any of the other guys passed? Jim, Iain etc?

I'm really looking forward to P4, supposed to be really good fun. I can imagine it's a pain having to travel from Sweden again just for an hour long sim session, must be worth it though :ok:

[woskam]

Kerosine - P4 is a blast! The instructor I had was so funny...told us to call him Egg (his name was Egelan...don't quote me on the spelling). Best of luck!

[poss]

Egg is a good guy, definitely makes you feel at ease.

[woskam]

Yeah I agree! The one thing he said that really put me at ease was:

"Don't worry if it takes a while to get the hang of it, its been years since I flew the 737 so it takes me time too!"

[gkyip]

Hi all, hope ur all well! Has anyone got their phase 4 on thursday 8th May? I am in at 7am. Can't wait! Any tips or prep I can do? Is it a full motion sim or fixed base?

Gary

[Kerosine]

I'm pretty sure it's a fixed base 737-400.

[woskam]

Its actually a 737-300, not that it makes a lot of difference! And yes it is fixed base, although mine (as I believe others have been) was in the full motion sim, just without the 'motion' unfortunately :sad:

In terms of prep there's not an awful lot you can do. The instructor does a very good job of explaining everything you have to do and everything that is expected of you, as well as giving you a full break down of the instruments and controls you'll be using.

[gkyip]

Great thanks for the help! Are the fixed base sims and the full motion sims the same? ie. are they EXACTLY like the real aircraft? Might be able to familiarise myself with the flight deck before hand.

[poss]

Lucky people get to go up to the full motion ones, I believe most people go into the proper fixed base one as dave and myself did.

[woskam]

Poss,

I managed a small smile when Egg said "unfortunately the fixed base sims are booked up today, we're going to have to use the full motion sim, anybody got any complaints about that?!" He said that if it wasn't for the fact that one moves and the other doesn't, there's virtually no difference between the two. Shame he didn't turn the motion on though...:sad:

[woskam]

DJ - I assume doing P4 with the full motion going would distract you from the task in hand. Personally I'd be concentrating more on how fun it was rather than watching the dreaded VSI!

[gkyip]

Sounds awesome, can't wait! Slightly nervous as I don't want to get this far and fail! Just have to cross my fingers I suppose!

Gary

[99jolegg]

Full motion would make it a bit easier. The only way you can tell if you're climbing in fixed base is to check the VSI. In full motion, you'll be able to feel the G force of initiating a climb. Either way, sounds great fun.

[sjogren]

Mine is the same, 8am start. Do you know if any of the other guys passed? Jim, Iain etc?

I'm really looking forward to P4, supposed to be really good fun. I can imagine it's a pain having to travel from Sweden again just for an hour long sim session, must be worth it though :ok:



Kerosine,

Unfortunately I havent heard anything from the other guys... hope they got through.
It is in fact quite a long journey from Sweden with a flight and 2 coaches to pick but it's definetely worth it!:)
Have you booked any accomodation for P4 yet? Im thinking about Dibden Manor /45£ B&B....not so cheap though:uhoh:

[Kerosine]

Unfortunately I havent heard anything from the other guys... hope they got through.
It is in fact quite a long journey from Sweden with a flight and 2 coaches to pick but it's definetely worth it!:)
Have you booked any accomodation for P4 yet? Im thinking about Dibden Manor /45£ B&B....not so cheap though


Well I haven't booked any accommodation yet, to be honest I haven't even looked! I'll let you know if I find anything good. Check your PMs too :cool:
Are we of the consensus that with motion on we would find it easier due to being able to feel changes in pitch and therefore gaining/losing height? Any large pitch change will be obvious on the AH and would be felt, however I wouldn't have thought very small pitch changes when trimming for level flight would be felt on a motion sim, therefore not really making it any easier. In other words, losing or gaining 500 feet will not be 'felt' on a motion sim as the pitch change would be tiiiny.

That's my guess anyway!

In full motion, you'll be able to feel the G force of initiating a climb

Rememeber, it's not a Eurofighter :}

[Al W]

I passed my phase 3 on Tuesday :) I'm now doing my phase 4 on the 15th. It says on the email to be there for 11- so I even get a lie in too :p

I don't suppose anybody else has theirs on the 15th at all do they?

[Kerosine]

These are from the CTC wings thread...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4097843&postcount=1945

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4098122&postcount=1950

[belongins]

Phase 2 anyone next Wednesday (14th)?
If so pm me if you like
Barry

[stu778]

Hi all,

I'm new the PPRuNe Network, I've just finished my CTC selection process and am pleased to say that I passed the 4 selection phases!:ok: I'm due to start the Wings course on September 3rd. I took my phase 4 simulator assesment on the 8th of May, with two others... Toby and Gary (Get in touch to let me know how you got on).

I'm sure i'll have loads of questions and hopefully have some answers on anything related to the selection process, but for now i just wanted to introduce myself!

Thanks Stu

[woskam]

Well done Stu! Get yourself on the facebook group for CP65 :ok:

[Apostel88]

Hi everyone:)

Will be in Bournemouth for stage 2 & 3 on the 8th of July. Any others out there coming down at the same time?

Regards

Apostolis

[kylev]

Anyone going for phase 2/3 on the 21st May? I'm getting the train to Bournemouth on the 20th and going back on the 21st at 7pm. Not booked anywhere to stay yet, does anyone have any suggestions that are reasonable on price? (I'm sure someone will have asked this earlier on in the thread).

Anyone else going for assessments on the 21st feel free to get in contact :)

Kyle

[belongins]

Hurn Court Farm was an interesting stay and at £40 for B&B was quite reasonable too.
Dont say yes to super or drinks though
you could see you bill nearer the £100 mark if you do!
Also there is an Avon something or other hotel which is even nearer to CTC may be good if you want a more traditional stay

HTH
Barry

[woskam]

I stayed at the Avon Causeway when I had my Phase 2 assessment. Very nice place, good food and beer too. £60 a night if I remember rightly, but its right on the doorstep of the airport.

[rik2204]

Hey Barry how have you done? i didn't pass, i failed the concentration test so i can reapply and do half of the test again, so i'm very happy!!
They reassured me about my age and the idea of becoming a pilot...

Very nice the B&B, go there guys! there are two Ryanair hostess living there!

[Al W]

I just passed my Phase 4 today and am on CP65. I really enjoyed it despite getting the stall warner ticking furiously at me on take-off :sad:

I went in there excited to play in a simulator, kept that attitude throughout and even though I have no idea what made them pass me, just enjoyed the whole experience.

[Kerosine]

Congratulations on passing Al W, but leave some space for me, I've already found out CP64 is fully booked! :}

Found this that may be useful for those about to attend Stage 4:

http://www.b737.org.uk/flightinsts.htm#Classic_Flight_Instruments

If this link becomes distorted email [email protected].

K

[woskam]

Congrats Al, good to have another one on CP65! :ok:

[Jordie1983]

RIK.... Whats the concentration test?? Is that stage 4??

[Kerosine]

The concentration test is the one you did at stage 2. 6x6 grid with colours and numbers where the random shapes pop up. We've definitely done that one :ok:

[belongins]

Hey Rik
Lyn was good fun at the B&B sorry we missed each other i guess we didnt realise you were on the tue and i was in the wed:)

I passed too and have my sim assessment on the 29th May so if you get your concentration test done and are around we can meet up then - did you meet the ryan air hostesses?

I came down in the morn to find Lyn in the living room absolutely out for the count :):):)

Made my own breakfast and left my cash on the table:)
By the way Lyn said 'you were lovely' and that she really hoped you passed buddy!

Barry

[belongins]

Kerosine

Thanks for that link :ok::ok:

Barry

[rik2204]

I have to wait until november, then i can reapply and do the rest of the assessment. i missed the f... one where you have to find a shape in a panel....really couldn't see any!! but i'm happy because did well the other ones and also i have a lot of time to prepare the interwiev properly!
The lady at the b&b was really funny..she wanted me to get drunk....
Good luck to you all ppruners!

[belongins]

Rik
Yeah she wanted me to get drunk with her too - it thought i was going to be in for one of those memorable evenings - it was all quite hippy:)

I found that the 1st four 'find the sahpe questions' i couldnt see any - i thought my brain was blind to this type of test. Luckily i started seeing some after this and so maybe this is just how the questions worked out

Good luck with it all though
barry

[poss]

I think quite a few people have trouble with that shapes one. It is a pain.

[Kerosine]

The shapes test I thought was ok. The key in that test is to look for an easily identifiable corner or edge. For example, if the shape you're looking for looks like this.. (Ignore full stops, these were needed to keep the formatting)
......l.\..........
......l..\.........
......l ..\........
____l... \.......
l.......... /......
l ......../........
l_____/.........
..identify a feature such as...
......l.........
......l........
____l..........
Then look for this first. There may only be one or two points where a horizontal and vertical line intersect like this so it instantly makes it easier to find the full shape.

This seemed to work quite well for me!

[belongins]

:ok:
Yeahp thats the approach i took too

[Jenny149]

Passed my phase 4 on thurs 15th May and I am heading out on CP66 in October

The sim session was brilliant !!!:)

[Kerosine]

A female?? Christ you don't find many in this here CTC. Fantastic well done btw Jenny! Does anyone know the actual ratio of M:F? Looks like you'll be alright when you're out there anyway Jenny, you can pick and choose!

Makes me wonder why I didn't get into fashion design or something...

[PAJ]

Current ratio is something in the order of 10:1 I'd say. I think at present there are about 12 young ladies out here on the UK courses plus maybe another 4 on the Kiwi courses which is as many as there have ever been as I understand it. Some claim this is because CTC felt that a morale boost for cadets was in order, hence some oestrogen was shipped out here! :}

[Kerosine]

"All you youngsters"?? Put your walking stick away DJ! You're only 24! :}

Hm makes me wonder how many good looking girls out there... Someone at CTC (one of the cadets doing there IR in Bournemouth) said a lot of the locals were inbred hillbillies, oh dear :bored:. Obviously take this with a pinch of salt, I certainly hope it's not true!

[Al W]

"All you youngsters"?? Put your walking stick away DJ! You're only 24! :}

Hm makes me wonder how many good looking girls out there... Someone at CTC (one of the cadets doing there IR in Bournemouth) said a lot of the locals were inbred hillbillies, oh dear :bored:. Obviously take this with a pinch of salt, I certainly hope it's not true!

I heard that too :suspect:. It's quite reassuring for my girlfriend though.

[poss]

Haha Daves just trying to not seem like he's interested in seeing what ladies are out there.... I know your game lol.

[Kerosine]

Ladies of New Zealand and the rest of the world alike, you have been warned of the DJ ;)

[belongins]

Youngsters
God damn i'm 34 and married - i suspect i'll be cooking for you lot and telling you when to go to bed:)

[Kerosine]

How very kind of you! Seein' as you've offered...;)

Don't like nuts or cream, apart from that I'm fine. Bed time is normally 11, maybe later if there's a film on. I'm sure we can negotiate the details at a later stage.

[belongins]

No negotiation son - bed time is bed time! :ok:

[Kerosine]

No negotiation son - bed time is bed time!
LMAO.... How familiar that sounds! :p

Do you have kids btw Belongins? Is your missus moving to NZ when (not if!) you go? I take it for granted that I have no real ties so could move across the world in a flash if needed, suppose it's much more difficult for you.

[belongins]

LOL
No she will stay here in the UK and work (Borat style:))
We plan to break the time away up with a combo of my leave and her coming out for holidays. We have decided to do this after speaking to a couple of NZ CTC'res in simialr situations - one couple are actually from the small town were are from - how odd? Apparently it makes more financial sense and we can have more meaningful time together by planning my leave. I think otherwise it would be a pretty dull time for her in NZ. Working is an option too but she doesnt want to loose all her public sector benefits which she has built up over the years and make effectively two new starts - God how dull can lifes little problems be:)

I am hoping that with my previous flying experience i may be able to take some leave and not fall behind but we shall see - got to get past phase 4 yet oh and the JAA class 1

B

[Jenny149]

see you there I am going out on cp66 too!!:)

[poss]

Hehe i'm sorry mate, I know your not really a femalaholic.
Kell... what beer goggles were you wearing when you were looking in the mirror? Neah just joking. Not ugly at all, infact quite the eye candy - aren't I oh so charming?
Dave I think we should deffer back to October... :ok:

[poss]

Hmm... I thought you'd already gotten some laced underwear for christmas?

[poss]

Oh... it isnt lingerie - it's a metaphor for "relations". hahaha. Sorry Dave, doing it again :(.

[Kerosine]

The plot thickens....

Not sure what I may be getting myself into here with Dave banding his lingerie about :ooh:

[belongins]

Twang! Snap! :)

Incidentaly and chucking a bucket of water over the lot of you (see this is my caring parental side:)) has anyone caught this thread:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4124129#post4124129

Thoughts?

[poss]

Thankfully I was wearing my wetsuit.....:}

I saw it, it's a thread that every once in a while pops up. Basically people have gone the modular route or intergrated through a training organisation like Oxford or Cabair thinking that once its all done they will be picked up by an airline and them fund the T/R, they then realise, after all of their hard work that it doesn't actually happen like that. It's these flight schools faults as they advertise as if your definitely garanteed a job. Aviation is a dirty game to get into, finding that first job is difficult. We are very lucky that we are on an airline specific course and that at the end of it all we have a very good chance of been picked up by one of the partner airlines. A lot of wannabes would kill for a chance like ours.
Another point would be the insecurity of the job, recently I have heard of around 14 LCC going out of business, 1 or 2 from the UK but mostly in America. Those pilots are all jobless and who do you think recruiting airlines are going to choose to pilot their aircraft? Those captains and senior F/O's that have many thousands of hours on type or fresh cadets that require a T/R with only 250ish hours.
It's a cruel game but as said CTC offer a unique oppertunity, they do exactly what is said on the tin, as long as you pull your weight and do well.

[belongins]

I thought that was the case but nice to double check etc

Just a thought!

Is anyone in comms with any CTC Wings graduates. I would be really nice to get the low down on how things have panned out for them post CTC etc.

B
(Maybe i should post that as a new thread topic...i1ll see what response i get 1st)

[poss]

A thread is already made on that subject somewhere in the professional and ground studies forum.
check your PMs belongins

[belongins]

DJ
not a very impartial source though is it seen as it is thier business to attrcat 60k a go fee payers through the door.
All in all though son i think your right re: outlook :0
B

[belongins]

Yeah shame keep looking buddy :)
I think it all sounds wonderbra to me anyway better than flying my current desk....in my mind...in my mind hehehehe :)

[Robbo0885]

Hi all,

Just a quick shout to all that attended phase 2/3 selection on Tues 20th. How did we all get on? I got through to phase 4, should have it either next Friday 30th May or Thursday 5th June.

Stuart from Aberdeen (the short guy with specs!)

[Kerosine]

Stage 4 went very well! Anyone here on Cp67? I fly out in November, feels like I'm one of the first on this intake! :ok:

[andrewawilson]

Im on CP69 so I'll see you out there on the 2nd jan!

regards

Andy

[woskam]

Congratulations fellas! Just out of curiosity, were they the first dates available to you? I'm on CP65 and as far as I'm aware there's only nine of us...according to Facebook anyway haha.

[Robbo0885]

Well, thats it confirmed, phase 4 on 5th June. Cannot wait! Anyone else got theirs on the same day? Anyone else from the phase 2/3 on the 20th May at Bournemouth got their phase 4 dates?

[Kerosine]

Just out of curiosity, were they the first dates available to you?
Cp 67 was the first available yes, although I really wanted to get on CP64/65!

On that note, if anyone on CP 64/65 has a change of circumstances and needs to delay their departure, I would be more than happy to do a swap (I have confirmed this can be done). Don't get me wrong I'm so happy to be on the course start date is not tremendously important, but given the choice I would like to get started sooner.

I'll definately be seeing you out there either way though!;)

[belongins]

Smooth DJ, very smooth :):):)

[Bambe]

Hi Guys

I passed CTC phase 1,2 and 3 few months ago and I'm about to take my phase 4 soon. One of my mate is really inerested about the scheme and I really want to help him passing the different phases but apparently the selection process is now slightly different.
Phase 2 and 3 are the same day!!

Is one of you, who recently passed the "new phase2-3" could tell me if the pilapt test and team exercises are the same or not?
I've heard that the team exercises were now different... If so, is someone could detail the new type of exercise?

Thanks,

Bambe

[Kerosine]

For all those on CP67 a Facebook group has been created! If you are on the November intake, get on it sharpish! :ok:

It feels like I haven't been on Pprune for ages (a whole 3 days!) as my laptop was attacked by a picture frame:{

[iFabio2]

Hello people :),

I will be flying soon to Bournermouth for phase 2/3. I am looking for some decent hotel near the airport, any suggestions? I have been checking for older posts about it but didn't find any.

thanks
fabio

[belongins]

Hi all
I am going to attend phase 4 at Nursling on the 29th May.
Anyone else going?

B

[Pushing_Tin]

Hi all,

I am off to phase 2/3 selection on Wednesday June 11th staying at Hurn Court Farmhouse the night before. If you are going to this selection day pm me! Also if anyone happens to be staying at Hurn Court and would like a ride to CTC on the 11th just let me know.

Tin.

[belongins]

@Kerosine
CP67 buddy :)
4 Phase selection process passed, Facebook - done (in the style of Gordon Ramsey:))

B

[Robbo0885]

Hi all,

Stuart from yesterdays phase 4 here. I am the newest member of CP69, departing the UK Dec 31st. New Year, New Zealand huh?! Can't beleive it!

Just wondering how you guys from yesterday got on....

[phil1mac]

Hey Stuart, congratulations! I got through as well, hasn't really sunk in yet! Have u heard anything from Mark? I take it we'll be on the same course then - Phil

[Robbo0885]

Hey bud,

Nice one on getting through! Once you're up and running in PPRUNE you can PM me and tell me all about your sim session! Intrigued to know how it went! (Particularly your ILS approach and whether you looked up or not!)

Which course will you be on? I was on the phone to CTC today and there was 67,68 and 69 being November December and January respectively. I opted for latest one to give more time for saving some cash, the January course, CP69, leaving UK Dec 31st. (tho the lady at CTC said this might get pushed back a few days...fingers crossed huh?!)

Havent heard from Mark, expected that out of three of us he'd be first to post since he probably would have been at home by 4pm yesterday. We'll see.

Anyways, anybody else out there on CP69 so far?

[andrewawilson]

Yep Im on CP69, cant wait just need to see out my contract here in the UK!

Regards

Andy

[stuzzy1980]

Hi guys , off the track a bit but does anyone have any info on the Icp programme. I narrowly missed out on the Cadet programme, but have been accepted onto the Icp. Any thoughts on this i.e. employment stats etc.
Have also conditionally been accepted onto Oxford APP programme, would this be a better option?

[stuzzy1980]

Any idea where to find this thread, searched for ctc wings icp, but no joy?

[Apostel88]

hello folks:)

i´ll be in bournemouth on the 8th of july for the 2nd/3rd stage. anyone else going down at the same time?
if so, pm me if you like

cheers
apostolis

[stuzzy1980]

Thanks dj and chelche,

always appreciate a bit of guidance when it comes to what is ultimatley a massive financial commitment, with no guarantee of a job at the end.... a prospect made even more scary in the current economic climate!

With regard to the Icp programme, I couln't help getting the feeling after the assessment as if it 'was up to you'........ like they were happy to take the cadet rejects, so long as they were prepared to pay.... Perhaps this was just me, i mean I guess I reached some sort of minimum standard. I just wonder if this distiction would be bourne out during training too?

In contrast, I scored relatively highly in the Oxford APP training assessment (32/42) Compass and 7/10 group exercises....have to return for sim check, but the entry standard seems higher? Is this just me?

I have also heard that at CTC the ground school is self study? does this explain in part the difference in cost?

Also, Oxford includes MCC and JOC training, whereas CTC makes you apply for the ATP programme. Im guessing this course is ultra competitive: im totally dedicated to the cause,and have no doubt i'll perform well at training, but what chance realistically do I have if I failed to make the CTC cadet grade (allbeit marginally) at assessment stage?

It seems like the Icp programme is in its infancy, and I would be most greatful for any feedback from any current students, either cadets or Icp'ers as to how it all works....CTC is my first choice, with Oxford a close second....I guess the choice is down to a more expensive, proven track with Oxford APP, or into the unknown with CTC?...........................

sorry if im off the track here, I really should be on another thread......One of the links chelche was actually mine, but yet to have any responses! But any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.....

cheers,

stewart

[99jolegg]

I would hazard a guess that the Wings cadets 'might', and I use the term loosely, pick up the flying skills a little quicker due to possibly doing better in the aptitude testing?

:confused:

A iCP cadet could have done far better than you in the assessment tests, far better than you in the maths test, far better than you in the group tasks but the assessors could have felt that he / she didn't show a strong motivation, volition or determination to fly. Therefore, it's best not to think of someone who isn't selected as less capable, however "slight" or "loose" you think it is especially when looking at one area out of many!

[stuzzy1980]

Thanks dj, some good advice there.....
Have already tried to re-apply for wings cadets, but no joy i afraid. Just checking the CTC website, and the ATP programme is currently closed?!! hope this is not a sign of things to come....

was thinking of taking the Icp route, then perhaps transfering to Oxford to complete my MCC and JOC? A good idea? Would airlines look poorly on this change of course providers i.e. do they prefer integrated students with all training completed at a single school?

The only other benifit I can see to the APP programme, is the skills protection, guaranteeing some of your money back if all does not go to plan.

Come on all you Icp'ers......get typing and tell all!!!!

[smithey]

Hi all,

Passed my stage 3 on 27th May and have got my phase 4 on the 12th (this thursday!!) Just wondering if anyone else is going down on that day in the morning, ive heard we have all been booked in the same hotel!

Also can anyone confirm that the sim check is in the B737?

Thanks
Andrew

[99jolegg]

Stuzzy, CTC's ATP scheme is only open for a matter of days at a time - they get so many applicants that it fills up quickly. I think it has only been open once this year - could be wrong but it hasn't been open for applications long.

Going from the CTC iCP scheme to the OAA MCC and JOC is great in theory but very expensive on practice, considering you are paying for two packages with lots of added value, to two different providers. I know a few OAA graduates have done the opposite; completed the OAA APPFO course and looked at the CTC ATP course but as said, you could be waiting months for it to re-open.

As for CTC iCP cadets getting preferential treatment into the ATP scheme - there is no fact either way as far as I'm aware. However, looking at the facts, you have been with CTC's instructors, have had your progress followed and if you are of a high standard, you are of great asset to CTC so there is no reason why they wouldn't use you.

As with everything, it comes down to risk. Wings cadet scheme is a risk, simply because the cadets they are recruiting haven't flown with CTC, haven't passed the ATPLs and haven't been known for long by CTC. The high failure rate is attributable to their high risk. As a qualified pilot on the iCP route, that risk is far removed - after all, you have completed the training so you are in good stead (providing you have performed) for further association with CTC. Bear in mind that this is speculation at the moment because no iCPers have finished the course.

As for resitting Wings assessment, I think they leave two years in between re-applications if not told otherwise.

DJ,

I read your post in its entirety - the only thing I didn't agree with and questioned was what I had quoted, hence why I quoted it. There was no attempt to crucify what you had said - why you think you are being crucified instead of challenged is odd.

You suggested, however loosely you want to put it, that "Wings cadets 'might', and I use the term loosely, pick up the flying skills a little quicker due to possibly doing better in the aptitude testing" whichI challenged, as it sounded a bit naive for many reasons. Nothing to get irate about :ok:

[Kerosine]

[As with everything, it comes down to risk. Wings cadet scheme is a risk, simply because the cadets they are recruiting haven't flown with CTC, haven't passed the ATPLs and haven't been known for long by CTC. The high failure rate is attributable to their high risk.Unless I have misinterpreted this ambiguous paragraph, you are saying CTC cadets have high failure rates? In fact CTC wings have very low failure rates, I'm sure someone can state the correct figures (< or ~ 1%?)

As for resitting Wings assessment, I think they leave two years in between re-applications if not told otherwise.

This is done on an individual basis, some are 6 months, some are a year (not heard of 2 years though).

As to the labelling iCP cadets as less able than the Wings Cadets, I think we all agree there's nothing in it. I don't reckon anyone (inc DJ) meant any offence, it's just some are quick to notice (myself included!:eek:) if a post seems to indicate this.

[99jolegg]

Kerosine,

Sorry, no, I was saying that the scheme in itself is high risk to CTC. If they don't select the right person, they are at financial risk, and reputational risk which is why the failure rate in their selection process is so high and the pass rate in training is so high. And it's less than 1% failure rate in training I believe.

I think two years is when the data on each applicant is wiped from their system which is why I said "if not told otherwise" shortly after you fail the assessment. After this two years, I think you can apply again. If you are told otherwise, it is likely to be 6 months or 12 months.

[stuzzy1980]

Thanks for all the help and advice guys and girls, it really does help. It's also really great to hear from you Cadets, makes me think the distinction between cadets & icp might not be so great......I guess ultimatley we are all in the same boat! If you hear from any Icp'ers, give me a pm.

cheers,

stewart

[Ajones]

Hi guys, looking forward to my phase 2/(possibly 3) selection day at Bournemouth on the 17th of June. Is anyone else going down on the same day?

[phil1mac]

Hey is there anyone else on cp68, going out start of december, would be good to see who else is on this course, cheers - Phil

[therealredbaron]

Hi Phil

I'm on CP68 - I've started a Facebook group, get yourself on there mate.

Alex

[Apostel88]

hello everyone

i´ll be in bournemouth on the 8th of july for the 2nd/3rd stage. anyone else going down at the same time?
if so, pm me if you like

cheers
apostolis

[99jolegg]

Is anyone heading to Bournemouth next Wednesday (16th July)? Drop me a PM if so :ok:

[Markos.]

I've passed Stage1 as well. Now waiting for Stage2/3 on 19th or 20th of August. Anyone else? I'm talking about CityJet, is it the same selection? I've heard that only about 30-40% of applicants pass Stage 1, is that true?

I'm only 17(18 in 3 months) do you think that I have any possibility or they just want me to pay the selection fee? Do you know anyone who has been selected at 18 with A-levels although excelent grades?

Best Regards,

Marcos

[jpunteney]

Hi everyone,

Is there anyone else booked to do Phase 4 on August 7th?

JP

[DanT1982]

Hi,

Anyone else booked up for Bournemouth on Wed 30th July?

Cheers

[mlowe]

Hello,

Any one going down to Dibden for 21st Aug???

What questions are expected for the interview? Any ideas. Just scoping out if there are any changes...

[Markos.]

Hi,

Anyone going to Dibden for 20th August?

Has anyone tips regarding numerical tests? Only long addition and substraction?

[jpunteney]

Mlowe, in the interview they are looking to see your passion for flying and how you can work in a team and lead a team, have examples to back everything up if you can...ideally a few examples to show a range of things. They also ask questions on the 4 email questions you send back just before you go down and pick out things you've put in your answers, for example I was asked Why should a pilot be a good communicator? Why are there high standards required of pilots? etc etc There are also semi-technical based questions on stuff like what can a first officer do to make a flight more efficient for an airline and what can they do in day to day flying for passengers etc.

Basically, its 45 minutes where the interviewer(s) want to see you for yourself and see that you are the person that they think will one day suit an airline career. It's not too stressful, they do put you at ease so just relax and stay calm! All the best!

Markos, the numerical test was a lot harder than I was expecting it to be, and I've just finished a degree in aeronautical engineering...so I don't think I prepared for it as well as I could. The maths isn't particularly difficult, in fact its very straight forward, but the steps take time if you want to make sure you do it right. Its mostly conversions of units like money, lengths, speeds etc, a few speed distance time problems too and some where you are given an equation to rearrange and solve for another quantity, when you are given the others. 15 questions in 15 minutes, think I finished it with 3 seconds left or something like that, so its quite tough. Best advice is to practice long multiplication, division, taking averages of sets of data, doing speed distance time problems, and you should be fine! All the best when you go down to Dibden!

[burty83]

For anyone going through selection just make it clear that you are wanting a career as a pilot more than anything else. Don't forget to smile and also use a bit of well placed humour. Try to think of plently life examples before you attend for subjects such as teamwork and leadership and put across the fact that you have other interests such as sport or music.

For those heading out to NZ in the near future, it's an awesome experience and when you've been back for a year and flying for an airline you'll miss the fun times you've had out there with your course mates. Enjoy.

[karlburgess]

Hey there. I'm new so take it easy on me guys.

Is there anybody going to the Bournemouth on the 2nd September? I've got some revision material that was sent to me by FTE Jererz and it seems like it is a combination of gcse and A level math. I found a really good website www.mathcentre.ac.uk (http://www.mathcentre.ac.uk) for revision. Due to the ac.uk part i think it is a univeristy based website. It is very helpful. Anyway I am getting really excited/nervous about the selection day. There are 51pages here, starting from 2006 so I haven't exactly gone through the whole thread, but other than Phase 2 and 3 being on the same day what can I expect to happen during the day? and how do they present your results from Phase 2? How many people are on the panel for Phase 3?

Karl

[Bambe]

Hi guys,

Has anyone heard from some cadets who recently finished the training??? IS there any jobs at the end, I know easyJet doesn't take anybody at the moment... What about the other partners?
For those who don't know yet, the unsecure loan is no longer available to everybody.. You have to be living in England for at least 3 years and have a good credit history... Things are changing, I will personnaly (if I pass my phase 4) borrow around 100 000 euros as I would have done for OAT without any assissstance from CTC (I'm not english)..

Simply wondered if the scheme is still such a good deal...
Thanks for your responses.

[99jolegg]

There is a bit of a queue building for those finishing the programme. Apparently, a few from 7 months ago still don't have an airline to go to. EZY are hopefully taking a group in October but I don't know if it'll be all of them.

[burty83]

djfingerscrossed has got it in one bonalste. Here here. You've got to smile, stay relaxed and try not to come across as someone who wouldn't lighten the atmosphere in a stressful flight deck when the time comes without reducing flight safety. I don't recommend giving the selection team and stand up evening but if they interview someone who sits there stoney faced, then had a very similar interview with someone who occassionaly smiled and also made the interviewers smile....who are they going to remember when the review comes around?

[nadz101]

Hey all,

Any one going to Dibden on 27th Aug for phase 2 and 3?

[karlburgess]

can you guys leave some info about your selection process from dibden on the 27th? I'll be heading down the week after you guys. Good luck to you.

[Markos.]

Hi,

Anyone going to Dibden for 20th August?

[bonalste]

Had my Phase 4 resit today. I'm off to New Zealand in March, pending references. I hope that you did well Alban and Tom, let me know if you're joining me :-)

[Bambe]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS STEVEN... We're on the same course
Can't believe it happened

We passed, we did it
See you soon, I'm the happiest man in the world