DHL/ACL/EAT/BAC/SAFAIR Forum

[Hogg]

If anyone has been experiencing problems with access please PM or email me.

Or indeed looking for access.

Hogg

[argonaut]

Hogg how can an ex f e (retired) get access to huis favourite site

[quidditch ace]

Hello Hogg I did PM you but still no way to access the DHL/ACL/EAT/BAC/SAFAIR Forum I have applied to EAT so would very much like access to this please.
Any tips on how to get an interview would be great. No reply from CV yet. Cheers

[Hogg]

The private forum is for employees of the group of companies only albeit its going a bit quiet.
Ive not been able to reply to the PM as Ive got a fulltime job and have just signed in :cool:
With regard to an EAT interview no idea what they do or how they run it, best do a search or request info on Freight Dogs.

Best Luck

[KwikFly]

Lot of come and go in EAT these days. Many people are somewhat apprehensive with this Leipzig move I think, therefore pilots try and find a more certain future. We shall thus need many newcomers to fill the gaps. Are you applying as captain or f/o, Ace?

[quidditch ace]

MANY THANKS KwikFly I am applying for the Capt's positions advertised in "Flight" I meet all the requirments but no A300 B4 rating, but do have a 757 command rating. Don't know if that will help. Cheers

[KwikFly]

It's on the airbus that they need people: one more aircraft due any time now and short of crews already. Don't see why they wouldn't have you. A bit of patience though, they're a bit short of instructors. Don't be surprised to get a call one day that your course starts tomorrow morning.

[A300FE]

It's on the airbus that they need people: one more aircraft due any time now and short of crews already. Don't see why they wouldn't have you. A bit of patience though, they're a bit short of instructors. Don't be surprised to get a call one day that your course starts tomorrow morning.

Hello:

I am new to this forum. How can I apply to EAT? The DHL website is not very much of help.

I flew for EAT back in '99-'00 on the 727's with Express One. Lived in Belgium for two years. My son was born in Brussels, so we all have beautiful memories about our short stay there. I have been flying the A300B4 as FE until june of this year. Looking for other A300 work, but it looks like I have to think moving to Asia. I would prefer to go back to Europe. Have an european passport.

I recently got my FAA ATP with a B-737 type rating. therefore I would like to upgrade some day.

I will a appreciate any help. PM me for my email. Thks.

[neil armstrong]

first year pay for a F/O is €2866 per month before tax (dont know what tax would be ,but it is a bit!!)

Neil

[Dik]

I'm in the luxury position of having to choose between EAT and NETJETS.
Any tips?
Dik

[KwikFly]

you're kidding, right?

[airba]

I'm in the luxury position of having to choose between EAT and NETJETS.
Any tips?
Dik
Here is a tip: several EAT-pilots are applying for a job with Netjets...

[Diabolo]

Here is a tip: several EAT-pilots are applying for a job with Netjets...

Hi,
Why that ?

[Tom Ferguson]

DHL Brussels is presently facing Age Discrimination Litigation involving 4, B757 Captains, who were terminated due to the French Regulations which apparently since Nov. 23rd. 2006 have been rescinded.
It is gratifying to compliment DHL UK who have not invoked such unnecessary terminations.
A group of Lufthansa Pilots have brought, similar litigation against their Company. A ruling will be made in March next year.
Deutsche Post Chairman, Dr. Zumwinkel, has been officially qouted in the German media to vehemently oppose age discrimination in any form. The official website of Deutsche Post itemises in its Code of Ethics that age discrimination will not be tolerated in any way and specifically demands that all its associated companies apply the same ethical standards.
It appears Deutsche Post Executive Management may not be aware of the impending Litigation in Brussels.

[four engine jock]

Could this be my old friend TOM .
Remember the old days in Ostende flying 707. i will never forget them.
If its you long time no hear.
be good and take care.
PM me.

[Tom Ferguson]

Could this be my old friend TOM .
Remember the old days in Ostende flying 707. i will never forget them.
If its you long time no hear.
be good and take care.
PM me.
Yes it must be the same !!!

Please E-mail me your contacts.

It is truly a small world.

Best regards,

Tom from Ostende.

[four engine jock]

check you PM . I sent you one!!!

[robiemartin]

Thanks for reviving the DHL forum. Especially with the worldwide conglomeration of carriers that have been assembled, I think some communication might be helpful for us all. I hope that we can get a new conversation going.

[KwikFly]

How is your German?

[robiemartin]

I'm waiting to see if I need to study German or Japanese :) ...

[birdstrike]

SNAM

Yes there is, it's a Group Personal Pension, run by Winterthur, with company contributions of c.10.5% for captains and c. 8% for first officers. (It's based on a strange formula, hence the varying contribution levels).

[6000PIC]

Hogg pm me.

[teawhite1]

Anyone got a contact for EAT? I used to fly as F/E on A300 B4's for HeavyLift. Would appreciate it. Cheers

[DIRRIK]

[email protected]

greetz and good luck.

D.
:D

[neil armstrong]

European Air Transport
Van toepassing vanaf 01/03/05(Inclusief 2% index)
Loonschalen Vliegend Personeel
B757 + A300 B757 + A300
Ancienniteit
F/O / F/E Capt
Maandelijks Maandelijks
EURO EURO
In Opl*1395.83 1395.83
0 2866.10 6091.36
1 3295.99 6213.19
2 4119.36 6337.45
3 4201.75 6464.20
4 4285.79 6593.48
5 4371.51 6725.35
6 4458.94 6859.86
7 4548.12 6997.06
8 4639.08 7137.00
9 4731.86 7279.74
10 4826.50 7425.33
11 4923.03 7573.84
12 5021.49 7725.32
13 5121.92 7879.83
14 5224.36 8037.43
15 5328.85 8198.18
16 5435.43 8362.14
17 5544.14 8529.38
18 5655.02 8699.97
19 5768.12 8873.97
20 5883.48 9051.45
21 6001.15 9232.48
22 6121.17 9417.13
23 6243.59 9605.47
24 6368.46 9797.58
25 6495.83 9993.53
salary/salary scales Pilots
index 2% 01-01-2004
problably not up to date but this is the only thing i have
Neil

[neil armstrong]

Maandelijks is ,per month
and i think this is before tax! (and tax is high in belgium)

Neil

[Xyster]

Snam,
Given the social security payments, the extra (compulsory) pilot SS payments and the extremely high rate of personal income tax, expect to lose 60% of your gross unless you can arrange an 'ex-pat' :cool: contract. Could be difficult as all future contracts are supposed to be Leipzig based.

[Xyster]

teawhite1,
PM for you :ok:

[MrIkea]

SNAM, that will be about 2700 a 3000 € a month (net) once after line training and flying a good roster... (depending per diems etc)

And second, there are no German contracts, and (at EAT) never will be.
Normally within months or so, they will start giving LEJ based contracts, but EAT stays a Belgian company , with Belgian AOC. So contracts are Belgian, just a different base.

1 or 2 weeks ago, 10 new guys started and they have all received, Brussels based contracts...

We'll see... but for now everything is very good here at EAT, there are always people complaining. And the guys who like it here, you simply don't hear, unfortunately :)

But here's one!

[wheelbarrow]

CJ,

Do some proper research before joining...

.............read this. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=272102

[SQP1]

Don´t bother it´s all rubbish.

[Devils Itch]

I have read most of what is written about dhl, good and bad, but i was wondering if there are any newish first officers that could perhaps give me an insight of what their lifestyle is like at the moment?

Curiously, I have freinds who swear blind that working freight is a total nightmare on the social life. I find it difficult to believe considering DHL pilots tend to do about 350 hours a year. And the money is just as good, if not better than pax flying pilots.

so , lin essence: Less time at work and more money to live life with!......or am i wrong?

any comments appreciated

[Clyde Crashcup]

At the moment we're getting about eight days a month off. That's eight days at home in a whole month! The rest is spent in crew rooms and hotels with a bit of flying in between.
Typically , I'm doing five on two off, sometimes seven on three off and I've had more than one pattern that consisted of seven on one off and then six on!
It should compare favorably with other airlines for time off, but not the way they are working it at the moment.
On your two days off at home you will be shattered from the duty during the week and just about the time you get sorted, you're back at work again.
They are looking at improving the roster, but they have been making promises about that for years now and no solution in sight.
They'll tell you at the interview that it works out to about even days off and on but that simply isn't true.
the vast numbers leaving at the moment (five this week) aren't improving the roster situation either.

[Avenging Angel]

"What about the Leave, is it easy to get what you generally want?"

Generally yes, particularly if you apply early enough. And any days off required should not be a problem if the rosters have not been issued. The rosters are generally issued around the middle of the month, for the month after next i.e July roster issued by middle of May (don't think too many can beat that).

Rostering team considered to be pretty much the best in the business, constrained only by the numbers they have to work with.

[ZiverAir]

I'm working for them since quite a long time Itch. Flying Cargo is not the problem ....the biggest issue is that the management is unable to respect people and if you add a useless training dept and scheduling practices that allows them to make you flight more than 12 Hrs a night, you'll realize that after having lost your girl friend (wife ??) bcs you're never home,do not expect any rewards from the company for the hard work you did...not a thanks

[ZiverAir]

Could be 1400 net plus perdiem (+/- 900 )........and no food all night long

[ZiverAir]

might be if they don't kill you before

[ZiverAir]

Hello Tom nice to hear from you again ...

[underread east]

Be aware that DHL runs 2 airlines in Europe. DHL Air, and EAT. FTLs are different and DHL Air are restricted by CAP 371 (with some variations) and do not fly for more than 12 hours. As has been said, people are working hard at the moment, noone will try to hide that, but I find it does suit my life well, and normally get to see plenty of my (very young) family.

I work for DHL Air. It has its issues for sure, and some that some are leaving over, put you makes your own choices about what will suit you the best. Listen very carefully to what is said in these pages, some is severely over stated. As I said the issues that have been mentioned elsewhere are concerning, but for me the lifestyle has and will, I am sure be again, reasonable compemsation

[TenAndie]

Devils -


You fly only 350 years but the duty hours will be so much more than that.

You will fly less than a passenger airline pilot but work much more.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

enandie, sorry slightly incorrect
Duty hrs less than 1000 in year, so much much less than a pax airline pilot.

Maybe you mean time away from base , there you win hands down :\

[Imhotep]

I've been here for a couple of years. First year averaged 19.5 days at home/month. Very annoyed :E this year as average has dropped to 18.5. Captains work harder, but then they're paid more. Things may change when LEJ on-line.

[Min Drag]

First year averaged 19.5 days at home/month. Very annoyed this year as average has dropped to 18.5

Must be a different DHL to the one I'm working for, cos most people are doing well to get 10 off a month at the moment:(

Chai Ja you can live more or less where you like, people live all over the UK and some abroad. The onus is on the individual to make sure they are available within two hours when on Standby.

[Imhotep]

Min Drag
Re-read what you've quoted - days at home not days off. You're right though, average is dropping quickly, 16.5 for last 3 months :E

[SQP1]

It comes and goes.
Overall, the time off is the best in the business.
:ok:It´s nearly a partime job:cool:

[Rajen]

What could a freshly training pilot expect for a salary in the first few years with DHL?

[neil armstrong]

£22000 i think!

Neil

[Daysleeper]

Overall, the time off is the best in the business.

Er - have you actually MET any pilots from other airlines? From the outside world the time off is as deficient as the pay. :uhoh:

[sapco2]

TenAndie, what you actually need to know is the time you can expect to spend away from home.

You'll do about 3,000 hours per year - that's about 65 hours a working week. Mr Angry from Purley is correct in that about 1,000 hours will be treated as duty hours, and you can expect to do between 300 and 350 flight hours per year.

[Clyde Crashcup]

You'll do about 3,000 hours per year - that's about 65 hours a working week.


I´ve been doing considerably more than that at the best of times, and lately, more again with no end in sight..

[kuchemann carrots]

Hi guys,
Thanks for all the above information. A bit of a strange question, but if you had the choice again would you join DHL or go to a lo-co such as Jet2 or FR??
Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
KK

[PvV]

I had a phonecall for an interview were they told me the first year pay is 28000 pounds. after that nobaody knows........
can anyone help.

Interview is the 6th of july.

[PvV]

Hi There. i have a interview the 6th of July. (yes posted one on the other forum). the only thing they could tell me is first year 28000 pounds. next no clue. and leipzig based. i asked them do i have to move what scheme do you fly etc etc. no clear answer except that i did not have to move there.

can anyone tell me what to expect on those interviews. (searched a lot on pprune but all is old or vague) and how does a normal working month look like at DHL uk with a leipzig base. do you fly to and from leipzig every night? week... where do you start end if not. bruto salary after one year. when are you an experienced F/o and or not.

any info is welcome. thnx for reading so far.:D

[Crabbing]

For someone with 600 hrs multi-crew non rated, what kind of bonding is involved?
At what stage could you expect to go from S/O pay to F/O pay (source is ppjn)?

Thanks.

[Crabbing]

Is there any help getting the bond money (bank they work with etc.)?
Is it a reducing bond?

[neil armstrong]

you only need to pay the bond when you would leave before the 4 years are over, so no banks involved
and in the past it was always a reducing bond but not sure what the deal is now

Neil

[Crabbing]

Starting pay is 28,000 and 2,000 increment a year.
So you expect to be on 36,000 as a 4 years experience f/o?
sounds a bit low to me, even in a low cost airline "sell your soul scheme" terms, not to mention charter alternatives.
Am I missing something?

[BarrowBoy]

The big picture.......read some of the other forums:\

[Crabbing]

Any other answer, please?
Just looks as if it is not enough money to pay the bills and save for a ticket home once a year...

[silverknapper]

Not sure what you guys are expecting but i would have thought someone with 600 hours would be jumping at £28k, allowances and the opportunity to fly the 757. I would expect to gain the FO status once your ATPL is unfrozen.
I know the job has a lot of drawbacks but salary certainly isn't one of them.

[wheelbarrow]

You've gotta be kidding, £28,000 is undercutting the job by about £20,000.

I feel sorry for the poor captains these guys will be flying with. DHL ought to be recruiting experienced first officers and they should be paying the going rate.

[silverknapper]

They are also recruiting experienced guys and paying them the going rate ie £44k+. This salary scale is for inexperienced guys. A lot of airlines have seperate scales for FO;s compared to Senior FO's. The fact they have to lower their standards to employ inexperienced people is more an indicator of the current market and of low morale and limited appeal as opposed to salary. At the end of the day the choice is there, apply or don't.

[HossaJose]

Hi there!

All questions following now are related to DHL Air UK... I ask again since the previous pages did not clearly state if it was about EAT or DHL.

Could one please clarify if you need a rating to be considered as experienced FO or is just the TT and time on Jet relevant?
So would one with 2300+ TT and 2000+ on Jet be in the 44k or 28k salary scheme?
Since PPJN states under Rosters: "Unusual rosters due to 40+ pilots leaving" can anyone please comment on how many days OFF is normal and how many days/nights you work.
Let's say you live in LEJ, is it a good company to fly for (besides the smoke/smell in the Cockpit mattter)?

Cheers,

HJ :}

[Crabbing]

28,000 to start with is not the problem - that's fair enough, consider they pay for the TR.
Someone said here that the increments are 2,000 a year without mentioning any jump to an f/o salary at any point.
If you are saying that there is a jump, or someone with ATPL can join directly on an f/o pay that's another story - that a good alternative for the charters or EZ, for example.

[Flying Farmer]

To follow on from the previous posts, this question is regarding DHL UK payscales.

What salary would be reasonable for a 2000 hour guy with a recent heavy turboprop command ? 28K was hinted at at interview. Would love to move to the 757 but if that salary is correct I couldn't afford the move across :{

[Hogg]

Hi FF
I would have taut that with a previous command and 2k hours u would be regarded as experienced non type rated and be paid entry NTEP £40450
Hogg

Non Type Rated Experienced Pilots
£40,450 for first 12 months then join the
type rated scale at year one
Non Type Rated Inexperienced Pilots
Year 1 £28,000 Fixed
Year 2 £32,000 Fixed
Year 3 £36,000 Fixed
Year 4 £40,000 Fixed
Year 5 £44,000 Fixed
Year 6 Join type rated at Yr 6nd

[Hogg]

Would have taut so. From what I understand an experienced pilot in their eyes is the holder of an atpl or 1500 hours tt or 500 hrs jet.........I stand to be corrected. Maybe neil armstrong would have a better idea.
Eh Neil?

[neil armstrong]

Here i am,

I would think that anybody with more then 1500 hours would be paid the normal salary.
but i'm not sure the hours are set in stone.

Good luck with applying

Neil

[Flying Farmer]

Many thanks Hogg and Neil A for the promt and informative answers, if those payscales are applicable and the Sim goes well, there will be no problems moving to DHL.

Reddo said Hi btw.

[mrgoaround]

Dear SNAM....EAT salary depends on your belgian contract. If you're a belgian ...expect 2000€/month after taxes (also after paying your belgian pension contribution) on top you get perdiems (count on 600€/month net)...if you're a non belgian you can get a belgian ex-pat contract ...so add 30% net ....these are initial salaries. There's an initiative going on by belgian carriers to reduce taxes for crews (to avoid the belgian crews to flee to other outfits...non belgian) ...for info...also the professional sporters threatened to leave belgium and they got a taxrate of 18% (before it was 55-60%) ...so pretty soon all might change for the better.