What Cockpit? MK IV

[evansb]

Interim summary: Twin, NOT Russian, nor German.
Gun sight covered, possible prototype. Aircraft is in NEW condition. Personal assessment here:...Russian designed rudder pedals and lever on joystick. Looks like a VHF comm. in bottom centre. Canopy levers on right-hand side look like crude (unfinished) German copies. Modular construction of panel quite "avant-garde". I'm done..

for now.

[MReyn24050]

evansb
I confirm that it is a twin, not Russian, nor German. However I cannot confirm your assessment that it has Russian designed rudder pedals nor that the canopy levers on right-hand side look like crude (unfinished) German copies. I will have to bow to your superior knowledge there. I can confirm it was late 1930s early 40s.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Mike this one is not British either.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Much to far away Mike, try the other side of the channel.

[MReyn24050]

Not the Breda Ba.88. On a clear day one can see its home country from the White Cliffs of Dover.

[wiggy]

French perhaps - I 'll try pulling a Beguet 693 out of the hat?

[MReyn24050]

wiggy
That is a great hat you have, it is the right answer.:ok: :D
The aircraft in question was the Breguet 693
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/brguet6930og.png
You have control
Mel

[MReyn24050]

JDK,
This must be the LVG C.VI!
The thing it has in common with the Tutor is that it's the sole survivor of its type.
Dennis
This post was #248 and made on the 19th Sept 06 at 11.50am and beat my response by 2 hours.
Dennis_K's answer was correct but as it was his first post it was delayed by the new policy of Probationary membership:-
"With immediate effect, all newly registered members will have some posting restriction as follows:
The first 5 posts will have to be moderated before going 'live'. Also, there is a minimum of 3 days before the probationary period will finish."
Therefore, should wiggy not have a challenge the floor should be Dennis_K's or he takes my next (should I be lucky to win again).
Mel

[Speedpig]

That's very noble of you Mel.
Dennis, can I suggest you make 4 or 5 quick posts to get yourself through the probation or we'll have to wait until the mods clear your poser?
SP

[wiggy]

No challenge from me chaps - go ahead.

[MReyn24050]

Dennis_K or anyone want to take up wiggy's offer to post the next challenge?

[Speedpig]

This will be very easy.

http://www.speedpig001.com/mysterycockpit.jpg

[evansb]

Rear cockpit of a McDonnell Douglas RF-4C Phantom II.

[Speedpig]

Spot on Sir.
That's not you flashing in the mirror is it?
You have the con.
SP

[evansb]

Thanks SP. Looks like a Green Beret type in the mirror..

I am presently not in a position to post a cockpit photo, so anyone else is welcome to post. Please be my guest.:)

[JDK]

Well, here's one I just happen to have to hand, that I don't think we've had before... :}

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/Mystery15906.jpg

Currently airworthy.

[foxmoth]

Stampe SV4c?

[JDK]

Not Belgian, nor a Stampe.

Otherwise correct! ;)

[evansb]

Messerschmitt Me. 35?

[JDK]

Nope!

Wrong number of wings, but one criterion is right.

[evansb]

Just couldn't see any struts or wires, but a CASA 131 Jungmann comes to mind. A Jungmann was on Mel's list in WC Mk.1, but the nationality wasn't specified. The airspeed indicator on this one has spanish printed on it.

[JDK]

Well done.

It's G-RETA, the Shuttleworth CASA built Jungmann.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/G-RETA.jpg

I'd missed the previous Jungmann entry (it's taking longer for me to check what's not been done than to guess at others pictures!) so sorry for a 'duplicate' but I think a few are inevitable...

You have control.

[evansb]

Thanks JDK. An excellent flying example. I'm still not in a position to post photos, so I'll hand over control to anyone who wishes to post. Cheers!:)

[JDK]

This must be the LVG C.VI!
The thing it has in common with the Tutor is that it's the sole survivor of its type.
Hi Denis,
Welcome to the game that never ends... :D

Thanks for the post, and I look forward to you posing a pic - you are due a go, as Mel's suggested...

As to 'sole survivor' - Well, the Tutor is unique, although there is a 626 in New Zealand, a brother or cousin type. However there is an LVG C.VI in Belgium. An absolute connection is that they were both flown by the Shuttleworth Collection from Old Warden. :8

[MReyn24050]

Dennis_K or anyone want to take up evansb's offer to post the next challenge? If not I have a couple.

[evansb]

Mel, I am now is a position to post. I'll be posting at approx 1930 UTC.

[evansb]

Gone in 60 seconds?

http://tkfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pxzZ39wV--_cOVn2UBjqJVz49jffZBxIAi2TtG0BmPGkxGxLry4AK_y-JTnTRFIoRZDdEMHwJJ2PftQZbEzCh89Ue9cfquszg43WhRRXqRRrENrMUf8-KysOzbAXoml-SlNoes2WPPhI

[MReyn24050]

A bit longer than 60 secs. How about the Wright Hughes IB? The autopilot gave it away.

[evansb]

You are correct!:ok: The Hughes H-1 Racer is my pick for the most beautiful aircraft ever produced.

You have control.

[MReyn24050]

evansb.
Thanks, no response from Dennis_K so I will keep things moving and post the following:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz198.jpg
Mel

[cringe]

Breguet 27

[MReyn24050]

Wow cringe :D and there was me thinking this would last a few hours. However, if anyone should get it I knew it would be you :ok: . As you know this is the aircraft.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/br27-2.jpg
You have control

[cringe]

Thanks Mel, I was just lucky. Try this next:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk57.jpg

[MReyn24050]

My Dear cringe you are too modest ;) , I have a feeling you had that one in your arsenal. This one is similar to the Bristol Bombay but I know it is not the Bombay but it is the same era?
Mel

[cringe]

I'm currently separated from my "arsenal" and was lucky to have recognised the type. :)

Yes, this one is roughly from the same era as the Bristol Bombay.

[evansb]

Bloch MB200?

[cringe]

Sorry, not the MB200.

[evansb]

The ANT-20 Maxim Gorkii?

[cringe]

Nope, too many engines. Not Russian.

[evansb]

Is it a flying boat?

[MReyn24050]

cringe
Congratulations on getting the Br.27 without your "arsenal", you never cease to amaze me :D
How about the Amiot 144 for this one, the control wheel is similar to the one on the Amiot 143? If not the 143 how about a Farman F-220 or 224?
Mel

[cringe]

Apologies for the delay.

evansb,

Seaplane, though not a flying boat.

Mel,

Neither an Amiot nor a Farman. Apparently this type was nicknamed "flying cathedral".

Another pic:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk57a.jpg

[jabberwok]

Italian? That Savoia thing I can't remember the name of?

[cringe]

Not a Savoia Marchetti - not Italian.

[MReyn24050]

How about the Junkers G38?

[cringe]

Not a Junkers. 50+ were built.

[Speedpig]

Cody Cathedral IV then?

[cringe]

It's a biplane, but not Cody's Cathedral.

[evansb]

Liore-et-Olivier LeO H-258.

[MReyn24050]

Most unusual configuration in that the pilot and co-pilot have seats in tandem with access to the nose on the starboard side.Not Russian and Italian yet also not by the major French manufacturers. Possibly a British aicraft even a Handley Page Aircraft?

[cringe]

Sorry Mel, not British either.

Well done evansb, you're close enough. :ok: It was a LeO H-257 with Gnome & Rhône engines while the 258's were by Hispano-Suiza. Your go.

More at: http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/leo25.pdf

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk57x.jpg

[MReyn24050]

cringe. Good challenge, well done evansb :D . The tandem pilot situation was most unique.
Mel

[evansb]

Thanks cringe. I couldn't find a good enough image of the LeO H-257,
so I went with the -258. Once again, I am not in a position to post, so its over to someone who perhaps hasn't posted in a while, or ever, for that matter. Cheers!:)

[cringe]

Thanks, Mel. The tandem pilot setting reminds me of the Cant Z 1007 (which we had on the thread before):

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2342461#post2342461

[evansb]

NOBODY wants to post? :sad: I'll be able to post around 0530 UTC if you can stand waiting that long.

[JDK]

I don't think we've had one of these.

Seeing as you asked nicely. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/Mystery240906.jpg

[ICT_SLB]

Tandem seat liason - Taylorcraft L2M?

[evansb]

Stinson L-5 Sentinel.

[JDK]

evansb has it.

Your turn now, and if you don't have a picture ready, guess worse. :D

Cheers

[evansb]

Finally, here is one from the vault.

http://tkfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pxzZ39wV--_cOVn2UBjqJV94cij5we58NKp3hGeicjX9Ukz33uca80yHeGY5MNT1qJc-1cIBTon3BipxpGKCQGpTavwmXjE2x6QpSQMwwYx8DCUhNAj7aqke7DHKXNio 5aGC9448TBW0

[MReyn24050]

Keystone LB-5A Bomber perhaps?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Keystone LB-5A.

[MReyn24050]

How about the Vickers Virginia?

[evansb]

Not the Vickers Virginia.

[JDK]

Is it a flying boat (or amphibian?)

[evansb]

Not a flying boat, nor an amphibian.

[Philthy]

Not the Vickers Virginia.

I'm with Mel's thinking here - those control wheels are very Vickers. The Scarff ring indicates a military aircraft and the open cockpit must limit the candidates. Trouble is, I have no ideas!

[evansb]

It first flew a couple of years before the Virginia.

[jabberwok]

Vickers Vernon?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Vickers Vernon.

[evansb]

I'm logging off til approx 1300 UTC.

[MReyn24050]

evansb. Ok if not the Virginia how about the Bristol Braemar either the MkI or the MkII?

[evansb]

Bristol Braemar is correct!:D A photo of the big tri-plane is available here: www.raravia.com/img/braemar.jpg (http://www.raravia.com/img/braemar.jpg)

For a bit of history of the Filton flyer check out:
www.westernfront.co.uk/thegreatwar/articles/weapons/braemar.htm (http://www.westernfront.co.uk/thegreatwar/articles/weapons/braemar.htm)


You have control.

[MReyn24050]

evansb
Thanks for that, a very interesting aicraft. I am sure this will not last so long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz186a.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

Sukhoi SU22 "Fitter".

[MReyn24050]

evansb
Sorry not the Sukhoi SU17/22 "Fitter". However you are in the right part of the world.

[evansb]

Shenyang J-8l

[MReyn24050]

evansb
Not the Shenyang J-8l, this aircraft is not chinese. You are going too far East stay where you were. This aircraft was not a success.

[evansb]

The little known Sukhoi SU-19?

[paulc]

Lavochkin La250?

[MReyn24050]

No this one is neither the Sukhoi SU-19 or the Lavochkin La250. Right country though.

[paulc]

Sukhoi Su25 'Frogfoot'?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Sukhoi Su25 'Frogfoot' but similar in concept.

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was designed by a well known aircraft manufacturer's OKB (Experimental Design Bureau) to meet a similar requirement that Sukhoi met.

[cringe]

Ilyushin Il-102

[MReyn24050]

Hi cringe. I knew that if anyone got it, it would be you.:ok: :D. Only one ever built I believe.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/il-102_real_02.jpg
You have control
Mel

[cringe]

Thanks Mel, your clues were very helpful. Next challenge:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk58.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Well I thought it was going on too long so I would give a little help, I think I know this one but will give others a chance.

[evansb]

Farman 1000.

[cringe]

That's very nice of you, Mel.

evansb,

Sorry, not a Farman.

[MReyn24050]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/BirthdayCockpit.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Wow !!!!!!!!!!!

Mel, I had no idea a year ago it would be still going !!


Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Clint
It was a great idea, there are many challenges such as cringe's latest one still not posted.
Mel

[treadigraph]

Happy birthday! I wonder if anyone can compile statistics such as "Most Successful Cockpit Spotter" (me thinks Cringe is a likely winner there) and "Most Obscure Challenge" as evidenced by the number of posts taken to solve it...

Keep 'em coming - just wish I had a few to contribute... :ok:

By the way, first time I've ever seen a pic of the Ilyushin 102, which has to be a prime candidate for ugliest aeroplane ever - looks as though it was cobbled together from bits of a Handley Page Hampden (didn't the parts in the RAF Museum come from Russia?), Gloster Meteor and the tail surfaces of an F-86...

[cringe]

Kudos to Clint and to all the contributors to this thread from me as well. :ok: Long may it continue. I never imagined that cockpit recognition would be this interesting. Even without the figures at hand, I think Mel wins hands down as the most successful poster.

[cringe]

As for the present challenge, here are some hints: roughly the same era as the Farman 1000; single example built; one of the plane's designers was better known for his work in another country.

[MReyn24050]

cringe. Thanks for that I think that is only because we have not seen you so often recently. If you do not mind me adding that your challenge was an aircraft that also broke a couple of records in its time.
Mel

[Evileyes]

Continued in: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=245933