Poor Cockpit procedures

[Johnman]

On the daily NAT track message, the following remark is always there.

"80 PERCENT OF GROSS NAVIGATIONAL ERRORS RESULT FROM POOR COCKPIT
PROCEDURES. ALWAYS CARRY OUT PROPER WAYPOINT CHECKS".

What are your current procedures?, What did you do to prevent errors?, where can you read more about these errors?, what are the reasons for the poor procedures?

[None]

Waypoint Procedures
· Approaching
- PM reads from flight plan to PF next WP/MAG/ZD/ZT. PF confirms on FMS.
- PM marks a diagonal thru the confirmed waypoint.
· Passage
- PF and PM confirm desired course outbound and LNAV engaged.
- PM marks a diagonal thru passing waypoint.

[rhovsquared]

All I can say is i hope a lot of folks 'Bite' on this one sound like the beginning of a classic :ok:

rhov :)

[145qrh]

Ok then , what causes the other 20% of Gross Nav errors..???

[Johnman]

The errors can be due to going precisely to the wrong position inserted by mistake by one of the pilots and failure to spot that by the other pilot , which can result in unpleasant surprises .

[Ignition Override]

For the young pilots who are not familiar with this, you might find what contributed to the tragedy of Korean flight 007 interesting.:ouch:

They had many passengers onboard-what a terrible shame that is was not a 747 cargo jet.

[Miles Magister]

NATS have produced a very good training DVD which explains exactly what they mean by the errors. It is available to order on line and is free, the copyright also allows you to copy and distribute as much as you like.

It is well worth viewing as it contains some excelent advice and infomation for both experienced and inexperienced crews alike. I believe all transatlantic flight departments should issue a copy to each crew member.

Unfotunately I am down route for a while and do not have the link available but I am sure someone will be good enough to post it here.

[CheekyVisual]

It's a rare thing indeed to have to self navigate in UK airspace in any case ! Spend most of my life on vectors making five degree turns left and right every couple of minutes. (Humour Intended !)

[Kent BeTrue]

Miles..... do you have a link to the DVD you mentioned please.....

[Miles Magister]

Sorry,

I did a google search and a search of the NATS web site and totally failed to find the link.

May I suggest that you use the contact form on the NATS web site to ask them, which is what I did originally when I saw it mentioned in an NBAA document. I lost the contact details I had when I changed employers.

If you can wait a fortnight or so I will look on the DVD copy I have at home for a contact and post it here then if there is one.

MM

[rhovsquared]

Miles Magister, could you insert the link i'm trying to get that dvd

thanx,

rhov :)

[Miles Magister]

I will be back in blighty 1st week in Sep and will look for it then.

MM

[Kent BeTrue]

That would be greatly appreciated.... I can happily wait til Spetember.....

Thanks KBT :ok:

[Miles Magister]

The DVD I was refering to is called "On the Right Track" and has been pruduced jointly bt NATS and ICAO and is published by facilit-e 46. The copyright allows as many reproductions as you would like for flight safety purposes so long as you use the cover slip art work on the disk and credit the producers.

I obtained my copy by sending an Email to a lady called Karen at [email protected]

MM

[Air Driven Generator]

This is the link I have found to order the 'On the Right Track' DVD

https://secure.nbaa.org/public/ops/intl/icaodvd/order.php

ADG

[Miles Magister]

That is the link and the DVD I was refering to. However I believe the link is for NBAA members only. Other people can use the email address I posted above to receive a copy directly from NATS. From memory I think even the post was free.

Thanks for the help with the link.