What Cockpit? MK III [Archive]

MReyn24050

16th Jul 2006, 13:01

Ah thanks Mel, great looking aeroplane! If I'm not mistaken that's Old Rhinebeck (the chequerboard Avro 504 is a giveaway if my memories of the place are correct!).

You are welcome. I am not certain that the location shown is the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. The Avro 504 is certainly the one from Old Rhinebeck but the Pitcairn is NC13158 once owned, and possibly still is, by Frank Rezich and not NC15307 which is the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome's Pitcairn.

Mel

MReyn24050

16th Jul 2006, 19:37

HP Hermes ?

This one is not a Handley Page aircraft.

Mel

gas path

16th Jul 2006, 19:50

Looks like a 'tail dragger' so how about one of Mr A.V.Roe's Tudors'?

MReyn24050

16th Jul 2006, 20:00

Looks like a 'tail dragger' so how about one of Mr A.V.Roe's Tudors'?

She was not a 'tail dragger' nor one of Mr A.V.Roe's inventory.

Mel

jabberwok

17th Jul 2006, 02:54

Bloch M.B.161 Languedoc?

DH106

17th Jul 2006, 05:57

Yes - I considered the Languedoc, but it's cockpit looks too narrow compared to the picture, and also it's a taildragger - which MReyn24050 says it ain't.

The shape of the cockpit windows is very distinctive though - with a small window each side of fairly large front windows, and 2 more to the rear each side. Obviously 4 engined cos 4 throttles.

MReyn24050

17th Jul 2006, 07:11

Bloch M.B.161 Languedoc?

Sorry, Not the Languedoc.

DH106 is correct it has 4 engines and definitely has a tricycle undercarriage.

Mel

BSD

17th Jul 2006, 07:22

Morning again folks!

Quick WAG before I head off to work. Home Friday, so after this I'll leave you all in peace for a few days.

I'm not convinced that this cockpit of Mel's is a 4-engined type. I'm not sure that the 4 white stalky things are throttles. The 2 smaller ones to each side might be propeller controls, HP/LP cocks or whatever.

Along the top panel, it seems to have what appears to be fire handles, though if they are it has a devil of a lot of engines! I'll discount that too!

I'm going for the Sud-Ouest 30 Bretagne. A two-motor ship I know, but wasn't there one built as the first French jet transport, a highly modified number that had 4 RR Nenes?

It was a sort of proof of concept design that helped provide data with which Sud-Ouest went on to desing the SE 210 - Caravelle.

Told you it was a WAG!

Hi Ho, off to work......

BSD

DH106

17th Jul 2006, 07:24

Is it the beautiful (erm....maybe not :hmm: ) Bregeut 763 Deux Ponts?

MReyn24050

17th Jul 2006, 07:26

MReyn24050

17th Jul 2006, 07:36

Is it the beautiful (erm....maybe not :hmm: ) Bregeut 763 Deux Ponts?
DH106 :ok: It is the right answer. It is indeed the cockpit of the Bregeut 763 Deux Ponts.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Breguet763DeuxPonts2.jpg
Who said the French cannot build double deckers?
You have control.
Mel

DH106

17th Jul 2006, 07:48

I'll have to pass for the moment..... any other takers?
If no others by tonight I'll have a search - are there any left we haven't done yet? ;)

ZH875

17th Jul 2006, 11:09

Did that thing fly only because the Earth repelled it?

That thing is as ugly as a ZZ headbut.

pigboat

17th Jul 2006, 23:42

I can see why it needed deux ponts. Un pont would never be enough to carry all that ugly around. ;)

blue up

18th Jul 2006, 07:09

Quote...."Who said the French cannot build double deckers?"

Me, Boeing and 99% of the rest of the world?;)

MReyn24050

18th Jul 2006, 08:52

I see that this new thread has been submitted under my name. I would like to state that no-one was more surprised than I was when logging on this morning. I have sent a PM to one of our moderators requesting that this version be linked to Mk II in a similar fashion as the Mk II version was linked to the original version started by Mr_Grubby.
Mel

When threads are as huge as this series tends to be they take quite a bit of bandwidth to operate. As before, we have trimmed it down to keep it manageable.

The MK II version can still be seen here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=225754

MReyn24050

18th Jul 2006, 18:51

Another to keep the show on the road. This one was not as ugly as the last

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz30b.jpg

Philthy

19th Jul 2006, 13:38

Stinson Jr S?

MReyn24050

19th Jul 2006, 16:30

Stinson Jr S?
Phil

This is a Stinson but a bit earlier than the Junior S, However the Junior S was a direct descendent of the Stinson Detrioter SM-1 so I will accept your answer. You have control.

Mel

Philthy

20th Jul 2006, 01:31

Thanks Mel.

All these pre-war American cocpits are doing my head in, so here's an easier one:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/Philthy88/5.jpg

LowNSlow

20th Jul 2006, 07:35

Would that be a PT-17 Stearman?

Philthy

20th Jul 2006, 08:48

Too easy, eh? It sure is: or Boeing E75 Stearperson VH-JQY to be exact.

http://p.airliners.net/photos/middle/2/1/5/1069512.jpg

Handing over, LowNSlow

mikl

20th Jul 2006, 17:27

DH106

20th Jul 2006, 17:57

Hey - thanks mikl

Does that mean that some of those photos were the Potez 62 also - cos we managed to match some picture's cockpit window features but not others?

MReyn24050

20th Jul 2006, 18:35

I am back after a long connection failure just to say that DH 106 was right when he was suspicious about the picture of the Bloch 220.
Sorry Mel, that was a Potez 62.
the Potez 62 was put into service in 1935 by Air France and was powered by two Gnome-Rhone 870 hp engines on the Europe and Far East network.
Another version with two 720 hp Hispano Suiza engines was used on the South America network.
High wings with the two engines underneath and retractable landing gear into the engines nacels.
I have really to learn about posting pictures !!
mikl
The cockpit shown at Post #550 was as far as I am concerned that of the Bloch 220 and came from a very good source. Also see posts #556,557 and 559 the 3 view drawing shows the cockpit window formation as shown in the photograph.
Potez 62
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Potez62.jpg
Note the depth of the side window far deeper than that in the photograph in my original post #550.
The next is a photograph from a FranceSim.com forum showing progress on the software for the Bloch220.This totally supports Post#550 being the Bloch 220's cockpit.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/bloch_220_006.jpg
Mel

barit1

20th Jul 2006, 19:11

...Boeing E75 Stearperson VH-JQY to be exact.

The Wasp Jr. w/ controllable prop dictates the manifold pressure gage, which would not be standard on a fixed-pitch prop stock Stearman. :}

DH106

20th Jul 2006, 19:25

Note the depth of the side window far deeper than that in the photograph in my original post #550.
Mel

Hmmm - think Mel has a point about the windows. Also, now that I've seen a piccie of the Potez 62, the cockpit in the cockpit shot looks a little too modern to me for it to be that Potez.

cringe

20th Jul 2006, 20:49

Here's a pic of Potez 62's cockpit for comparison:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/Potez62.jpg

Source: http://www.public-histoire.com/favoris/airfrance.html

MReyn24050

20th Jul 2006, 21:01

cringe

Thank you for that it certainly proves it was not a Potez 62. I am postive it was the Bloch 220. I think the photograph of the aircraft I first displayed had been touched up to improve its quality but an error was made when touching up the cockpit area.

Mel

LowNSlow

21st Jul 2006, 08:14

Can somebody else post a pic please as I have none that are sufficiently challenging for such a cerebral audience!

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 14:39

Can somebody else post a pic please as I have none that are sufficiently challenging for such a cerebral audience!
Well I do not think this will be that challenging. Hopefully cringe will give us one of her great challenge photographs soon.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz148.jpg
Mel

Speedpig

21st Jul 2006, 15:23

A Lancaster, perchance?

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 15:28

A Lancaster, perchance?

Sorry Speedpig. Not a Lancaster.

Mel

Mr_Grubby

21st Jul 2006, 16:10

Do-17 ??

C.

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 16:45

Do-17 ??
C.

Sorry Clint not a DO-17 either.

Mel

BSD

21st Jul 2006, 16:50

Mel,

How about a Lockheed Hudson?

BSD

ZH875

21st Jul 2006, 16:52

Short Stirling?

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 17:22

BSD and ZH875

Neither Hudson nor Stirling. Right era though.

Mel

stevef

21st Jul 2006, 18:56

I wonder if it might be the Wimpy?

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 19:11

Not a Wimpy, sorry stevef

SASless

21st Jul 2006, 20:49

Perhaps a Buckingham?

DH106

21st Jul 2006, 21:04

H.P. Halifax

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 21:15

SASless and DH106
Neither a Buckingham nor a Halifax

Philthy

21st Jul 2006, 21:30

Oxbox perchance?

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 21:32

Not even an Airspeed Oxford Phil.

Philthy

21st Jul 2006, 21:48

OK, now we're into obscure territory, aren't we, like Harrows and Albemarles?

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 21:56

Well depends what you mean. Not really obscure territory. She did see squadron service but was beset with engine problems.

stevef

21st Jul 2006, 22:05

Can I have another shot and suggest the Blackburn Botha...

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 22:10

This was not a Blackburn Aircraft stevef.

cringe

21st Jul 2006, 22:14

Avro Manchester ?

DH106

21st Jul 2006, 22:21

Yes I agree cringe, Engine probs = Manchester. Those Vultures :uhoh:

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 22:24

cringe :D :ok:

That is the right answer. Speedpig was almost there with the Lancaster but the crew seating positions were different.

Great to see you again, I hope you have a good challenge for us.

Mel

cringe

21st Jul 2006, 23:01

Thanks, Mel. I've been too busy lately to check in regularly - it's great to see this thread still very lively. :ok:

Something for the night shift:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk52.jpg

MReyn24050

21st Jul 2006, 23:06

cringe
Wow, now that looks interesting. I think I will take your advice and leave it for the night shift. Take care.
Mel

asw28-866

22nd Jul 2006, 01:25

Handley Page HP.52 Hampden?

cringe

22nd Jul 2006, 05:26

Nope, not a Handley Page.

JDK

22nd Jul 2006, 07:25

Ah'm BACK.

Her Majesty required a LOT of pleasure!

Answer: Liore et Olivier LeO.451 (Or 45)

seacue

22nd Jul 2006, 10:10

Ju-88 or similar

cringe

22nd Jul 2006, 10:12

JDK, spot on with the Leo 451. :ok: Over to you.

http://www.histoiredumonde.net/IMG/jpg/intro-24.jpg

JDK

23rd Jul 2006, 11:50

Why, thank you.

Had I the courage of my convictions, I'd have loaded up a piccie all ready. I didn't so I didn't. Apologies for the delay.

I got it due to Cringe's essay into French exotica before, from which it was but a short step to the Leo.

This should prove easy; so extra points for the details of this particular, historic, airframe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/MysteryCockpit230706.jpg

MReyn24050

23rd Jul 2006, 14:34

Why, thank you.
This should prove easy; so extra points for the details of this particular, historic, airframe.

It is a Douglas DC-2 which one is another story. Perhaps Ex Eastern Airlines one which was in service with the RAAF?

JDK

23rd Jul 2006, 22:30

It is not a DC-2, but it's family has been covered here.

Sorry.

It's also a loooong way from 'Straya.

MReyn24050

23rd Jul 2006, 23:54

How about a Lockheed 12A, perhaps Amelia Erharts aircraft?

DH106

24th Jul 2006, 05:35

Not sure about the cockpit, but Earhart flew a Lockheed 10E not a 12A

airspeedsalive

24th Jul 2006, 09:07

Kind of a stretch - DC5? - never seen the cockpit before. The deck angle doesn't look like a taildragger. "Shrug". If it is a taildragger though - how about a B18 Bolo?

MReyn24050

24th Jul 2006, 09:30

Not sure about the cockpit, but Earhart flew a Lockheed 10E not a 12A
Thanks DH106 I stand corrected as you say it was a Model 10E, NR16020 in fact.

Mel

MReyn24050

24th Jul 2006, 09:43

Why, thank you.

This should prove easy; so extra points for the details of this particular, historic, airframe.

Not that easy. I will stick with a Lockheed Model 12-A Electra Junior perhaps G-AKFR belonging to Sidney Cotton and used to photograph military establishments in Germany and Italy Feb and March 1940?

barit1

24th Jul 2006, 12:20

Thanks DH106 I stand corrected as you say it was a Model 10E, NR16020 in fact.
Mel

Correct - but well after AE's disappearance, Paul Mantz (AE's technical consultant) had a 12A which he re-registered as N (or possibly NR) 16020. This ship crashed in California, and the conspiracy theorists had a field day tieing the two together. :ugh:

DH106

24th Jul 2006, 12:30

barit1

Yup - and the same Paul Mantz was the pilot killed during the filming of the original "Flight of the Pheonix"

MReyn24050

24th Jul 2006, 14:43

Why, thank you.
This should prove easy; so extra points for the details of this particular, historic, airframe.

As I said not that easy .
Another wild guess Howard Hughes Aircraft the Lockheed 14 he flew around the world.

pigboat

24th Jul 2006, 15:38

'Taint a 10A or a 12. I've flown both and there's too many windows, among other things.

Barit I remember the flap about that wreck. What the conspiracy freaks forgot to mention, was Mantz's aircraft had R985's and the 10E had 1340's. :O

barit1

24th Jul 2006, 18:09

...Mantz's aircraft had R985's and the 10E had 1340's. :O

Good conspiracy theorists NEVER let trifling details get in their way. :yuk:

JDK

25th Jul 2006, 00:39

No one's even near the actual machine, but MReyn24050 has been consistently 'Lockheed' and 'Model 12' despite many distractions!
It is Lockheed L-12A Electra Junior CF-CCT now in the Canadian Aviation Museum - Website here (http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca).
http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/images/3503231.jpg
The Museum version was made in 1937 and operated by the Department of Transport until 1963, when it was presented to the Museum. The Museum aircraft was purchased by the Department of Transport in 1937 to survey the proposed route of the Trans-Canada Airway. In 1937 it performed the first same-day Montreal-to-Vancouver flight, with five stops along the way.
The first aircraft to make a dawn to dusk flight across the bulk of Canada.
Pigboat proves why I never trust unvarnished pilot accounts, and goes to the back of the class, :p and MReyn24050 has control!

Speedpig

25th Jul 2006, 01:03

It is Lockheed L-12A Electra Junior CF-CCT now in the Canadian Aviation Museum -
That was on the tip of my tongue:ugh:

pigboat

25th Jul 2006, 03:36

MReyn24050

25th Jul 2006, 07:18

JDK
Many thanks, I did a search dwelling on famous aircraft I thought it might be but missed that one.
Here is one that I am sure will go in now time.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz153.jpg
Mel

JDK

25th Jul 2006, 07:47

Yeah, but I do have an excuse. The last time I flew either one was in 1967. :O
The 10 I flew is also in a museum, the WCAM in Winnipeg, albeit flyable. It's CF-TCC, ex-TCA, ex-Matane Air Services, ex-Northern Wings.
The 12 I flew was CF-FUS. Used to belong to Shell Oil before we bought it, and I'll be darned if I remember the cockpit looking like that. ;)

Only a gentle leg pull. ;)

Funnily enough I've flown in 'TCC, back in 2002, from Rockliffe, Ontario, home of the Canadian Aviation Museum. Did you finf the 10 and 12 good to fly? Certainly seem classy machines, and the British equivalent was the Avro Ten...

http://mmpbooks.biz/about/james.jpg

Mel, not only do I know what it is, I know where and when, as I have an almost identical pic I was saving up! I'll keep shtum and let someone else get it. :D

Philthy

25th Jul 2006, 08:38

Ok, I'll bite: it can only be the unique Chrislea Super Ace.

I especially like the glasses tray!

MReyn24050

25th Jul 2006, 09:06

Ok, I'll bite: it can only be the unique Chrislea Super Ace.
I especially like the glasses tray!
Phil
You got it in one you have control.
JDK
I knew it would not catch you guys out. Now doubt you were going to say it was the Chrislea CH.3 Super Ace 2
Operator: Private
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Oxford - Abingdon Airfield
Reg.: G-AKUW

Here is an earlier photo
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/ChrisleaSuperAceG-AKUW.jpg
Mel

JDK

25th Jul 2006, 09:19

Indeed.

Here's my pic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/SuperAce.jpg

Nice aircraft!

What's Philthy got for us then?

Philthy

25th Jul 2006, 10:01

OK. this will be too easy:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/Philthy88/6.jpg

JDK

25th Jul 2006, 10:23

Indeed - Issa well used Chippie, innit?

(Sorry, de Havilland Canada Chipmunk.)

Philthy

25th Jul 2006, 10:26

Told you it was too easy! :D I'll get the rego etc when I get home, but in the meantime over to you JDK:-

JDK

25th Jul 2006, 10:45

OK, let's try something a little different.

Some bits from a cockpit, assembled roughly into their original locations.

The type and pilot should be easy; and that'll give the serial; so extra points for the location of the bits today...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/DSCF1109.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/DSCF1108.jpg

BSD

25th Jul 2006, 11:52

JDK,

I'll open the bidding for you: My guess is that is the wreckage of the Fokker that Manfred von Richthofen made his last flight in. Words carefully chosen not to suggest any bias to any particular theory on who got him!

I can't place the museum, but I know that 3 squadron AFC ( now RAAF ) were involved, and so I'll guess that the location is the Australian war memorial or museum in Canberra.

Incidentally, the AWM is an incredible place that I only regerttably managed about 15 minutes in, many years ago. Must go back.

Convoluted thinking or what?

BSD.

JDK

25th Jul 2006, 12:10

Very good BSD,

Didn't think it would last long, but that was swift.

Von R's Fokker Dr.1 'bits' - to say 'wreckage' is to give too much credit. The RAAF Museum at Point Cook, Victoria has a selection of pieces, but the photo is of the control column etc. at the Australian War Memorial.

Well worth more than 15 minutes, I'd agree, having spent three full days there recently, plus a day in the archives...

Your chance to aerobat...

BSD

25th Jul 2006, 12:24

Yipppeeeee!

Mostly luck I'm afraid, plus the connection made with the patch of red fabric and if you will excuse this non-avaition link, the painting on the wall behind. I told you the thinking was convoluted!

The Australian AWM is indeed worth more than the measly amount of time I was able to give it. Their Lancaster ( G for George? ) alone, makes the trip worthwhile.

Once again I'll hand over control to anyone else to post on my behalf. My 12 year old has you'll all be pleased to hear, promised to teach me how to post.

I'm working up to one!

BSD.

DH106

25th Jul 2006, 12:34

Very interesting !

I'm trying to make out the detail - is this Von R's control column we're looking at? What's the structure at the top?

JDK

25th Jul 2006, 13:09

Philthy

25th Jul 2006, 13:31

The Chippie from earlier was DHC-1 T Mk.10 VH-BSV:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/Philthy88/VH-BSV.jpg

CoodaShooda

25th Jul 2006, 23:38

DH106
Fokker tended to incorporate the throttle and triggers in the control column.
Left hand throttle, right hand stick and both thumbs on the guns.

pigboat

26th Jul 2006, 01:37

JDK they were indeed beautiful airplanes to fly, rock solid. I have very little time on them, maybe 50 hours total as co-pilot, on both machines. The 12 was faster by about 10 or 15 kts, as I recall, using a cruise power setting of 28" MP and 1800 RPM. I never flew the 12 in the winter, so I can't comment on it, but on flights of any length the 10 was deathly cold in the cockpit. The janitrol heater just couldn't cope and the elephant pecker defroster wouldn't keep the windshield clear, so we carried an ice scraper to clear the frost from the inside of the windshield. The cabin was nice and warm though. The manual gear crank was located beside the co-pilot seat, so I got to exercise my left arm regularly. The gear motors were notoriously weak, so one always gave a couple of cranks at the end, just to avoid embarassment.

I like to think I helped in some small way to return TCC. I had seen the aircraft in the boneyard in Miami, it must have been in the early 1980's. It had been sitting there for years, ever since Quebecair sold off a half-dozen aircraft in 1968 or 1969 to help finance their BAC1-11's they bought from British Eagle. One night at the Montreal Interline Club I was bending elbows with a retired Air Canada engineer. He was an old bu&&er who had worked on the early Lockheeds, and the talk got around to TCC. I told him I had last seen it in Miami, still in Matane Air Services colours and with the logo over the cabin windows and the Canadian registration painted out, but if you looked at the aircraft with the sun at the correct angle you could still see the letters under the paint. The gentleman went on vacation a couple of days later and visited an airshow in Texas someplace. He saw a L10 in camo colours and thought "Why not?" He walked around until he got the sun at the proper angle. The rest, as they say, is history. :p

DH106

26th Jul 2006, 05:58

DH106,
It IS rather hard to make out. Sorry. The white framework is a shape to 'outline' the cockpit and so forth of the Dr-1.

The following picture by my good friend Mr Melvyn Hiscock of the French Memorial Flight's Dr-1 should help as to the 'what are we lookin at then'.

Thanks for the picture JDK and the details CoodaShooda :)
An obvious question....... the letters L & R.... if I was being facetious I'd say it's to remind the pilot which way is left & right ;) , but these letters must mean something in German?

MReyn24050

26th Jul 2006, 07:49

Thanks for the picture JDK and the details CoodaShooda :)
An obvious question....... the letters L & R.... if I was being facetious I'd say it's to remind the pilot which way is left & right ;) , but these letters must mean something in German?

Being more facetious, how about 'Links' und 'rechts' :)

Philthy

27th Jul 2006, 13:50

Crikey - no challenges? Well, here's one then:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/Philthy88/7-1.jpg

Speedpig

27th Jul 2006, 14:17

Mr Sikorsky's SH60-B?

Seaking, even

Philthy

27th Jul 2006, 14:19

None of the above, Speedpig.

MReyn24050

27th Jul 2006, 14:30

None of the above, Speedpig.

How about a Aerospatiale AS-332L1 Super Puma

Philthy

27th Jul 2006, 14:37

Too easy, eh?

http://p.airliners.net/photos/middle/5/2/4/1016425.jpg

Your go, Mel...

MReyn24050

27th Jul 2006, 15:34

Thanks Phl
Very nice, but I am more used to these
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/pumas.jpg

MReyn24050

27th Jul 2006, 15:35

But a little trip back in time for this one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz89.jpg

Philthy

27th Jul 2006, 22:42

Indeed Mel - same camel, different colour are they not?

Now: another pre-war Froggy thingo?

Philthy

pigboat

27th Jul 2006, 23:17

Wibault-Penhoët 280, both pre-war and Froggy. ;)

MReyn24050

28th Jul 2006, 07:47

Wibault-Penhoët 280, both pre-war and Froggy. ;)
:ok: You have it, it is in fact the
Wibault-Penhoët 283. You have control.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Wibault283T.jpg
Mel

Woomera

28th Jul 2006, 08:33

Sorry for the thread drift / diversion.........

Philthy, do you know the history of VH-BSV? The registration is familiar - it may be the first aircraft I ever flew in 1961 or 1962 - I don't have the log records. Was that Chippie ever owned by the Aero Club at Cambridge, Tasmania?

Philthy

28th Jul 2006, 08:41

Woomera,

VH-BSV was first registered as such in July 1960. I don't have the rest of its history to hand, but will set my spies to work immediately and report back ASAP.

Regards,

Philthy

pigboat

28th Jul 2006, 16:30

Thanks Mel, but I exhausted my meagre cache of pictures in the first version. Open season for anyone. ;)

MReyn24050

28th Jul 2006, 19:57

Thanks Mel, but I exhausted my meagre cache of pictures in the first version. Open season for anyone. ;)

Thank you pigboat. Has anyone a challenge for us? I have some more but I would love to see some other please bring them forward. Cringe I am sure you must have another great challenge.
Mel

cringe

28th Jul 2006, 20:14

Your wish is my command, Mel. :p Not a great one, just something a little different:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk53.jpg

jabberwok

28th Jul 2006, 20:29

It could almost be the prototype Rallye.. :p

MReyn24050

28th Jul 2006, 20:34

cringe
Many thanks that looks interesting, especially the items on the left of the photograph.

Mel

MReyn24050

29th Jul 2006, 09:30

Are we looking at something that was pre 1940s?

cringe

29th Jul 2006, 10:12

Nope, not pre 1940s. This type wasn't very successful.

MReyn24050

29th Jul 2006, 18:47

I cannot decide if this was a sailplane or powered aircraft.

cringe

29th Jul 2006, 19:12

It was a sailplane intended for military use.

MReyn24050

29th Jul 2006, 19:56

A Pratt Read TG32 from the USA?

cringe

30th Jul 2006, 04:55

Sorry, not American.

MReyn24050

30th Jul 2006, 09:07

Sorry, not American.

Thanks cringe, how about Swedish. The Lg 105 - AB Flygindustri Fi-3 (1944-1945). Of which I understand a replica is being built.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/fi3002-1014802.jpg

Mel

cringe

30th Jul 2006, 15:30

That's the one, Mel. :ok: Sorry for the delay. Your go.

MReyn24050

30th Jul 2006, 15:54

Cringe No problem. A easy one to keep things ticking over.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz155.jpg
Mel

MReyn24050

31st Jul 2006, 16:14

Didnt think this would be a problem. This particular aircraft built mid 40s did not go into production.

BSD

31st Jul 2006, 20:39

Mel,

Couldn't resist a quick shot before heading for bed - distreesingly early call in the am.

How about the Gloster E39?

BSD

MReyn24050

31st Jul 2006, 21:32

BSD

Sorry for the delay. Not the Gloster E39. This one was not from the UK.

Mel

Speedpig

31st Jul 2006, 22:21

Pure guess... ME108?

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 07:31

Pure guess... ME108?

Not the Me 108, Speedpig.

jabberwok

1st Aug 2006, 10:06

It's got an instrument panel that would embarass a Link Trainer.

Glider?

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 11:51

It's got an instrument panel that would embarass a Link Trainer.
Glider?

Without giving too much away the answer to that question is yes and no.

Mel

Philthy

1st Aug 2006, 13:48

Me 163A then?

jabberwok

1st Aug 2006, 16:03

Or maybe the Fieseler Fi 103R

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 17:05

jabberwok

Sorry, Not the Fieseler Fi 103R.

Philthy

Not a Me 163A but you are close, as this aircraft was derived from the Me 163.

Mel.

Speedpig

1st Aug 2006, 18:16

ME 163S?
Or is it not that easy?

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 19:11

ME 163S?
Or is it not that easy?

Sorry Speedpig but I am afraid it is not. This aircraft was not built by the aircraft's OEM.

Kieron Kirk

1st Aug 2006, 20:39

Junkers Ju248.

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 21:26

Junkers Ju248.

Not the Junkers JU248, which was the Me163D taken over by Junkers who completed the work under Prof H.Hertal and redesignated as the JU248. The aircraft in question was built by a completely different manufacturer.
Mel

stevef

1st Aug 2006, 21:37

The cockpit structure is reminiscent of the 163 but the instrument panel is totally different. Might it be the Lippisch P13 (DM1)?

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 22:01

The cockpit structure is reminiscent of the 163 but the instrument panel is totally different. Might it be the Lippisch P13 (DM1)?

Not the Lippisch P13 (DM1). The aircraft in question did have connections with the 163 but was not built in Germany.

stevef

1st Aug 2006, 22:24

Hmm, interesting - my second shot is the Japanese Akikusa.

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 22:50

Hmm, interesting - my second shot is the Japanese Akikusa.]

You are in the right area, but this bird was not a glider.

gas path

1st Aug 2006, 22:57

Nakajima Kikka-K?

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 23:10

Nakajima Kikka-K?

Sorry gaspath. Not the Nakajima Kikka (Orange Blossom) which was the twin-jet fighter based on the German Messerschmitt Me 262

gas path

1st Aug 2006, 23:14

Damn after putting the clues together and coming up with ......the wrong answer:{

Philthy

1st Aug 2006, 23:15

Mitsubishi J8M1/Ki-200 Shusui

MReyn24050

1st Aug 2006, 23:24

Mitsubishi J8M1/Ki-200 Shusui
Is the right answer.:D It is the Mitsubishi J8M Shusui (Sword Stroke).
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/MitsubishiJ8MShusuiSwordStroke.gif
Which was the Me 163 built by Mitsubishi using the aircraft's manual. Due to the loss of the U Boat sent from Germany carrying a Me163 along with the drawings whilst on route to Japan.

A glider version was designated MXY8 Akigusa (Autumn Grass), and was built by the Dai-Ichi Kaigun Koku Gijitsusho (First Naval Air Technical Arsenal) at Yokosuka

Philthy

1st Aug 2006, 23:36

Well there you go! It looked oddly Me 163-ish from the start, but I never considered the Japanese version until the clues started to come out. Good challenge!

Here's the next one:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/Philthy88/12.jpg

Not only what is it, but which specific, historic, one is it?

MReyn24050

3rd Aug 2006, 16:09

No takers yet? The clue is in the photograph! At least it is in the one that comes up on my PC.

Philthy

4th Aug 2006, 03:58

OK, here's a clue: it's a single-seater most of the time.

JDK

4th Aug 2006, 06:36

Seems to have baffled the brains!

Is it a glider?

Philthy

4th Aug 2006, 09:42

Nope, not a glider. The instrument at bottom left is a tacho, I think.

treadigraph

4th Aug 2006, 11:05

Looks to be a well made sort of a beast. I was wondering if it was crop sprayer of some sort - prototype Commonwealth Ceres perchance? Though perhaps not Harvard/Wirrawayish enough...

Philthy

4th Aug 2006, 11:14

No, not an ag aeroplane and not Harvard/Wirraway related.

jabberwok

4th Aug 2006, 12:34

No one is biting so I'll throw some ideas around.

Is it an aerobatic beast like a T67 or Extra?

Philthy

4th Aug 2006, 12:40

It is aerobatic, at least in its basic form, but it's not an aerobatic machine as such.

treadigraph

4th Aug 2006, 12:57

Is it Antipodean?

Philthy

4th Aug 2006, 12:59

This particular one is.

yowie

4th Aug 2006, 13:15

Is it a homebuild that has seen many parts of the globe,even way down south?

treadigraph

4th Aug 2006, 13:27

Ah, I know who/what Yowie's thinking of! Can't see the pic anymore though! Go for it Yowie, good call!

yowie

4th Aug 2006, 13:35

Jon Johanssens(I think) RV-4 VH-JON

MReyn24050

4th Aug 2006, 13:42

Jon Johanssens(I think) RV-4 VH-JON

Yowie

On behalf of Phil, who has retired for the night down under, it is Jon Johanson's RV-4 but not VH-JON (write letters wrong order) it was VH-NOJ.

Phil will post a photograph latter.

You have control

Mel

yowie

4th Aug 2006, 14:47

I thought it looked RV,but only got it through the clues given,and its been a while since I have seen anything re JJ(just remembered I used to fly a PA44 reg VH-JON) so hence the dislexyia! Have to admit that I have absolutly no idea on how to post or even find a photo to put up,however I think that this is one of the best threads getting around and I am stoked that I finally had some idea re one of the pits! Happy to hand back to the experts.;)

MReyn24050

4th Aug 2006, 15:23

No problem yowie.

It is Philthy's shout really but as he is in the land of nod I am sure he would invite whoever has a challenge to post to go ahead.

Mel

Philthy

4th Aug 2006, 23:41

Here's Jon and VH-NOJ:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/Philthy88/VH-NOJ.jpg

Jon has flown in this cockpit solo around the world not once, but three times, including flights over both poles. He holds 48 world records and the aircraft has an endurance of 30+ hours. Incredible!

I am proud to say that VH-NOJ also carries the Philthy name on its port rudder :O

Philthy

4th Aug 2006, 23:45

Since Yowie doesn't want to post a challenge, I'll step into the breach with a challenge given to me by Planeenglish:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i262/planeenglish/WhatCockpit.jpg

treadigraph

5th Aug 2006, 00:04

Off the top of me head (as ever) Grumman Avenger? Looks a bit small thugh, but I like to toss a googly in when I'm stumphed....

Philthy

5th Aug 2006, 00:12

Correct: not an Avenger. Far too small and not nearly American enough.:E

treadigraph

5th Aug 2006, 00:17

When I sober up... (it's 1am+ here in Blighty!) . Is that an Aresti sequence taped to the panel?

Philthy

5th Aug 2006, 00:21

Dunno - bit hard to tell. Could be though, I guess.

India Four Two

5th Aug 2006, 03:44

ASI in km/hr, French placards and guarded switches on the stick - ex-French Airforce?

TwoDeadDogs

5th Aug 2006, 08:22

Hi there
Is it a Fennec?
regards
TDD

MReyn24050

5th Aug 2006, 10:31

Phil
Intersting challenge. Cockpit marking in French, would appear from the fuel guage to have two tanks. Rear view mirror seems to indicate seats behind the pilot and on the right is a rheostat for cabin lights. With all the French marking I do not think it is a design other than French.
Mel

Philthy

5th Aug 2006, 11:10

Good logic, no banana. Not French and not a Fennec.

MReyn24050

5th Aug 2006, 13:05

In that case I will go for the Swiss Pilatus P3-05

TwoDeadDogs

5th Aug 2006, 13:05

Hello again
A Pilatus P-2?
TDD

Philthy

5th Aug 2006, 14:08

Mel has it: it's the Pilatus P3 HB-RCQ.

There's a couple of nice photos of it here: http://gallery.avilu.ch/gallery/classic

Thanks again Planeenglish for a good challenge. Over to you Mel...

planeenglish

5th Aug 2006, 14:11

Way to go fellas, glad to have participated in some way. Love this thread, keep it going.:ok:

Best,
PE

MReyn24050

5th Aug 2006, 15:37

Thanks Phil
This one will either go straight away or could cause problems. All I will say is that the aircraft was a one off.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz157.jpg
Mel

Philthy

5th Aug 2006, 15:48

Miles Sparrowhawk?

Philthy

5th Aug 2006, 15:52

Sorry, I meant Miles M.77 Sparrowjet?

Philthy

5th Aug 2006, 15:54

Sorry, disregard all the above. I think it's a British helicopter!

MReyn24050

5th Aug 2006, 15:59

Sorry, disregard all the above. I think it's a British helicopter!

Yes. It is a photograph of the cockpit of British Helicopter but which one?

gas path

5th Aug 2006, 17:24

Bristol 173?

MReyn24050

5th Aug 2006, 17:53

Bristol 173?

This one was not from Bristols.

Kieron Kirk

5th Aug 2006, 17:59

Percival P.74

MReyn24050

5th Aug 2006, 18:11

Percival P.74
:ok: You have it.:D The Hunting Percival p.74.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/HuntingPercivalP.jpg
The prototype was completed in the spring of 1956, carrying the military serial number XK889. Ground testing commenced but the Oryx engine was insufficiently powerful and the P.74 failed to fly. It was planned to fit a more powerful Rolls-Royce RB.108 turbine, but the rationalisation of the heli-copter industry later that year resulted in the P.74 project being cancelled.
You have control Kieron

Kieron Kirk

5th Aug 2006, 18:23

Would any one like to step in ?

You have control !

barit1

5th Aug 2006, 19:30

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/barit1/Finchcpt1.jpg

This type's been done before, but here is a special example with a number of clues!

MReyn24050

5th Aug 2006, 23:19

Lockheed Model 12A Electra, N18137

pigboat

6th Aug 2006, 01:26

Lockheed 10E NR16020.

barit1

6th Aug 2006, 02:06

No surprise that pb got it. :ok:

It's serial 1015, originally built and long operated as a 10-A, converted to 10-E by Linda Finch for her 1997 round-the-world flight (she cheated by using GPS...)

It carried N72GT both before and after the rtw flight, but during the flight displayed NR16020 markings per Earhart's ship.

pigboat

6th Aug 2006, 17:47

I figured it was an L10, but with GPS? Then it hit me, 72GT aka NR16020. Used to have a pic of the lady and her aircraft on my office wall until Mrs. p's latest round of interior decorating. :p

I'll pass to someone else. Mel, barit, cringe???

MReyn24050

6th Aug 2006, 18:29

OK pigboat. I will set another easy one :)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz156.jpg
I am sure this will not last long
Mel

LowNSlow

7th Aug 2006, 06:43

Is it an early Beech Queenair?

MReyn24050

7th Aug 2006, 10:20

Is it an early Beech Queenair?

Sorry LowNSlow it is not an early Beech Aircraft.

MReyn24050

7th Aug 2006, 14:57

This aircraft was British designed and built late 1940s.

Kieron Kirk

7th Aug 2006, 21:01

Cunliffe Owen Concordia.

DH106

7th Aug 2006, 21:14

Cunliffe Owen Concordia.

Nice try, but don't think the windows are a match.

MReyn24050

7th Aug 2006, 21:28

DH106

You are correct it is not the Cunliffe Owen Concordia, but it was a twin.
Mel

DH106

8th Aug 2006, 05:53

DH106

You are correct it is not the Cunliffe Owen Concordia, but it was a twin.
Mel

Windows look kinda Viking/Varsity/Valetta ish ?

MReyn24050

8th Aug 2006, 06:47

DH106

This one was not from Vickers, this aircraft was not as large as a Viking but unfortunately it was not a successful aircraft.

Mel

BSD

8th Aug 2006, 10:56

I'm not terribly confident about this, but I'll have a shot at it.

How about the Miles Aerovan?

BSD.

MReyn24050

8th Aug 2006, 12:56

I'm not terribly confident about this, but I'll have a shot at it.
How about the Miles Aerovan?
BSD.

Not a Miles aircraft. The first flight of this aircraft was a couple of years after the Aerovan.

jabberwok

8th Aug 2006, 14:45

Mad guess but Short Sealand?

MReyn24050

8th Aug 2006, 14:58

Sorry jabberwok.

This aircraft was not from Short's inventory. This particular aircraft did not get past the prototype stage.

Mel

treadigraph

8th Aug 2006, 15:07

ATEL Accountant?

Kieron Kirk

8th Aug 2006, 15:41

Just to re-cap.
British designed and built, late 40s, did not get beyond the prototype stage, flew a couple of years after the Aerovan, not Short, Miles or Vickers.

Accountant mid-late 50s?

treadigraph

8th Aug 2006, 15:57

Late as that was it (hey, an anagram of ATEL!)? Think the windscreen looks a bit wrong anyway. My other guess might have been the Apollo, but that had four engines...

MReyn24050

8th Aug 2006, 17:07

Just to re-cap.
British designed and built, late 40s, did not get beyond the prototype stage, flew a couple of years after the Aerovan, not Short, Miles or Vickers.

Accountant mid-late 50s?

Your re-cap is correct but it is not a photograph of the Accountant or, as
treadigraph, suggests the Apollo. This aircraft did take part in the SBAC Show late 1940s.

Mel

jabberwok

8th Aug 2006, 18:28

OK - another wild guess then. Was it the two engined version of the Marathon?

MReyn24050

8th Aug 2006, 18:37

Sorry jabberwok. Not the two engined version of the Marathon

treadigraph

8th Aug 2006, 20:04

The Portsmouth Aerocar?

MReyn24050

8th Aug 2006, 20:20

The Portsmouth Aerocar?
You have it treadigraph.:ok: :D
It is a photograph of the cockpit of the Portsmouth Aerocar.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/PortsmouthAerocar.jpg
You have control.
Mel

treadigraph

8th Aug 2006, 20:26

MReyn24050

9th Aug 2006, 19:38

Cheers Mel, took a quick bit a research (thank you to the late A J Jackson!)
Sorry, I do have one (which I think hasn't appeared before), but not the means to post it just now. Somebody else please do take over!
No takers? OK lets try this one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz162.jpg
Mel

evansb

9th Aug 2006, 21:45

Perchance the cockpit of a De Havilland D.H.80A Puss Moth?

Speedpig

9th Aug 2006, 22:51

Or a Piper J-2?

Philthy

9th Aug 2006, 22:54

No legs oooutside the door, so it can't be a Puss Moth. Doesn't look like a Cub to me either. Intriguing!

That compass looks a bit French or Italian...

foxmoth

9th Aug 2006, 23:04

Or the Leopardmoth.

jabberwok

10th Aug 2006, 02:25

Not a Leopard. Flown one and the cockpit is similar but the panel's wrong.

Windscreen suggests the Heston Phoenix but we've already had that.

MReyn24050

10th Aug 2006, 07:56

Sorry for the delay. This aircraft is not a De Havilland or Piper aircraft. Jabberwok you are right in saying it is not the Heston Phoenix. Philthy the aircraft was a British design and built in Britain
Mel

Philthy

10th Aug 2006, 11:59

Desoutter maybe?

MReyn24050

10th Aug 2006, 12:36

Desoutter maybe?

Sorry Phil not a Desoutter

Philthy

10th Aug 2006, 12:44

Hmmm...it's got a very distinctively shaped instrument panel, but I have really no idea what it could be!

jabberwok

10th Aug 2006, 14:04

Final guess - Civilian Coupe. It was a toss up between that and the Luton Major but the latter had split side windows.

MReyn24050

10th Aug 2006, 14:51

Final guess - Civilian Coupe. It was a toss up between that and the Luton Major but the latter had split side windows.

japperwok has it.:ok: :D

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/CivilianCoupe.jpg

First flew in July 1929 designed by Harold D. Boultbee and built by the Civilian Aircraft Company of Hull. It was hoped the aircraft would earn the company a healthy slice of the light aircraft market. Sadly it was not to be the case, and only five Coupes passed through the hanger doors,despite one flight test report which said it had an obvious future ahead of it.

The aircraft in the photograph is still flying today I believe.

you have control jabberwok

treadigraph

10th Aug 2006, 16:04

Yep G-ABNT is still airworthy - saw it flying in the circuit at Biggin this spring, the first time I have ever seen it airborne in several decades based at Biggin. It suffered an engine failure in the circuit for G-VFWE (Abingdon?) shortly afterwards, but happily landed safely on the airfield!

jabberwok

10th Aug 2006, 19:10

Open house for entries - I ran out of decent shots back in WC Mk.1

jumpuFOKKERjump

11th Aug 2006, 03:21

Purely opportunististic acceptance of the expert jabberwok's invitation, something a bit different:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f287/spodman/mr.jpg

Philthy

11th Aug 2006, 03:32

Puffer Cozy?

jumpuFOKKERjump

11th Aug 2006, 03:38

Bit obvious obviously. It is the Co-Z Cozy IV as designed by Nat Puffer and built by Brian DeFord of the US. Called "Blond Streak", powered by O-360 & destroyed last Friday in a fire following a battery change. Only the engine & the wingtips remain.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f287/spodman/6e8c58d5.jpg

Over to you for something OLD I suppose Philthy:}

Philthy

11th Aug 2006, 03:56

You Walley! I didn't recognise your 'nom de Pprune', otherwise I'd have shut up!

OK, how about this?

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/Philthy88/11.jpg

They're the Philthy knees, by the way. Didn't do me any good as I still couldn't get the feet on to the rudder pedals! :E

jumpuFOKKERjump

11th Aug 2006, 04:03

I considered including a 'Ph*ck off Philthy' in my post, maybe I should've:ouch: As payback, it looks like 2005, it looks like Bundaberg, it looks like a Tecnam???

BTW, I know they're your knees, I can see the socks!

Philthy

11th Aug 2006, 06:15

Drat! :{ Your go...

By the way, what other aeroplane could have a big, bloated cockpit like that with revolting pink splodges on the panel?

jumpuFOKKERjump

11th Aug 2006, 08:58

Wasn't going to go the pink option myself, I assume Brian let his daughters go wild with the interior...

Here's a modern homebuilt aircraft which first flew in the '40s. There was a production version, and there may be again:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f287/spodman/MRREEPANEL.jpg

JDK

11th Aug 2006, 09:26

Republic Seabee? (A wild shot...)

treadigraph

11th Aug 2006, 09:48

I think JDK is close, but it may actually be a Spencer Air Car...

In fact it is, look what I found!

http://dougnlinap.home.mindspring.com/Home.html

Isn't Google a wonderful thing!

jumpuFOKKERjump

11th Aug 2006, 10:27

Jeeezzzz! You guys are good!

I like to look in on Doug's project from time to time. His cockpit looks better, but I couldn't find the picture.

It is an Aircar. The first version flew in about 1941 & was developed & put into production in metal as the Republic Seabee. Spence put the plans out into the homebuilt scene around the '70s. There are several flying and several more under construction. You may be able to get a set of plans out of Robert Kerans if you can wake him up.

An improved version called the Trident Tri-Gull has flown, but not entered production.

Over to you.