TFLY day 1

[FBOZH]

Attended on the 5th of this month. Does anybody know why we didn't do group exercises? With the excitment and all it occured to me only afterwards that we'd skiped this part. If it should be done at stage 2 it sounds like a lot to do in one day if we already have 2 interviews and a sim check, not impossible though I guess.

[PPRuNeUser0215]

I could be wrong but if the company is short of crew (and it is the summer), it is quite possible that they have decided to use the guys for flying duties rather than attending a social gathering ;)

Usually a group session has 3 observers because each one monitors a couple individuals.

[monkeyboy]

Did Stage 1 on the 29th June and was told at the beginning that due to the huge numbers of pilots they needed they had decided to drop the group exercise to try and speed things up.

MB

edited cos i is thick and got the date wrong.....

[Northern Highflyer]

Did Stage 1 on the 29th July

Nearly a year then so have you heard anything yet Monkey ? ;)

I attended on 30th June and we were told the same thing. They need to see as many as possible so they have dropped the group exercise.

[monkeyboy]

Smart ar*e! :}

[firstforfirstchoice]

:ok:Nearly a year then so have you heard anything yet Monkey ? ;)

I attended on 30th June and we were told the same thing. They need to see as many as possible so they have dropped the group exercise.

There is always one smart arse!! :ok: :ok:

[Blackbird6]

Hello Guys.
I`m curious!

What does the abbreviation TFLY stand for?
Thomson Fly, or is there a company called TFLY;)?
How many hours do you guys have and what are the requirement in TFLY?

Good luck to you all!

[d71146]

Does anyone have a view that these Group Exercises actually achieve anything at the end of the day.

[StudentInDebt]

d71146 - I found that taking part in the group exercise part of my selection day greatly increased my chances of getting the job.

[Pub User]

They did the same thing a few years ago during a recruitment boom.

They tend to lose the majority of applicants at the first (maths/English) stage, so rather than put everyone through the group exercises they whittle the numbers down first. I think you'll find that if you pass the abbreviated first stage, you will be invited back for a short second stage, which is purely group exercises.

There is normally only one pilot observer on the group exercises, the rest are from HR, so it's not much of a drain on the line.

[FBOZH]

Thank you all for the replies. They told us day 2 would be interviews and simulator "ride". So I guess that's the group exercises out of the window. It's one less chance to cock-up! Good luck to all of us.

[AndyDRHuddleston]

FBOZH, I too was there on the 5th, I was the scouser sat in the front on the left!

Anyways, my cousin went 1 week earlier and had been given teh profiles for the sim at assessment day 1........did I miss them being given out on our day 1???:confused:

Cheers....and good luck

ADRH

[FBOZH]

Andy....check your PMs

[ramjett18]

Hi Northern highflyer I also attended on the 30th June, have you had a reply yet? I received an email on Friday inviting me to stage two. I'm hoping to attend on the 9th August.

[Northern Highflyer]

Ramjett

I have been invited to stage two and will go for one of the August dates. I might see you there, not sure which one was you on the day. I still can't quite believe it. I only checked my email this morning as I was expecting the 2 to 3 week wait before hearing anything. :ok:

Good luck to the rest and I hope it's good news.

NH

[ramjett18]

Northern highflyer

I'm the well tanned chap lol. I too was surprised to hear as quickly as I did. I'm booked on for the 10 Aug at LTN, if you are there say hi if not then the best of luck to you too.

[holyflurkingschmitt]

Anyone from the 5th July day 1 heard anything yet?

HFS:confused:

[FBOZH]

not yet. Still waiting. No news good news?

[holyflurkingschmitt]

I was told that if you were successful TFLY informed you by email within 7 days, if not the thanks but no thanks letter arrives after 10 days ish.

HFS:confused:

[Northern Highflyer]

Ramjett

All the dates were full so I have to wait for the next set of bookings to come out :{ . Good luck with it and let us know how you get on.

check your pm's

NH

[holyflurkingschmitt]

Anyone from Day1 on the 5th JUly heard anything yet?

HFS:ok:

[AndyDRHuddleston]

nope not heard anything from 5th yet, still waiting!

[Marvo]

And the waiting is killing me !:yuk:

[Grum]

Toppledgyro,

I was also there on the 13th and still waiting for the yey or ney. I'm sure they said four days but they do seem to be incredibly busy at the moment. The first couple of days i was perfectly relaxed thinking i had done everything i could but now the tension is unbearable.

fingers crossed, touching wood and looking for pennies on the street. :ok:

[F1REFLY]

I was also there on the 5th July. Still no news.

[holyflurkingschmitt]

Nothing yet either? :confused: Was told by someone who had spoke to TFLY that they were hoping to let people know today (FRI)

HFS

[holyflurkingschmitt]

Anyone heard anything yet?

HFS:confused:

[AndyDRHuddleston]

I've still not heard anything! I did stage 1 on 5th July! Anyone else heard that attended on the 5th?

ADRH

[Fly Better!]

I think it took a week to find out my results for day one

[holyflurkingschmitt]

No still nothing either from the 5th July????

Cant take that long to post a :mad: thanks but no thanks letter can it???

HFS:ok:

[kd2473]

Hi guys,
My understanding is that TFly are currently worried that they overestimated their pilot needs and so people are currently being pooled after stage 1. As and when they decide that they do/don't need any more, they'll decide whether to run any more stage 2s. I imagine the sme goes for anyone who's done stage 2 and hasn't heard anything.
Irritating for everyone!

[Gaylord Fokker]

Hi everybody,
Well, they already said in the invitation that they were recruiting for a pool. I agree that it seems strange that people from July 5th haven't heard anything yet.
kd 2473, is your understanding based on any reliable information?

Good luck to everybody!

[holyflurkingschmitt]

Just bringing the thread back to the top.

Still heard nothing from the 5th July anyone else?

HFS:confused:

[AndyDRHuddleston]

Nope! Nothing here yet.

[EGCC4284]

Nothing heard from the 7th either

[kd2473]

Yes, understanding based on reliable information.... At that time at any rate (2 weeks ago), but who knows, things change so quickly!

[Marvo]

Yet the advert still appears on the website! Still awaiting my rejection letter for the 5th....:ugh:

[FBOZH]

well Marvo if you haven't heard anything yet it could be good news, I hope for you anyway. I attended on the 5th also and got an email on tuesday saying thanks but no thanks. Good luck to all those with no news as yet!

[holyflurkingschmitt]

Also got the PFO email.

Always next year!!

HFS:ok:

[AndyDRHuddleston]

I got the PFO too. Frustrating, when I felt I did so well on the maths! I believe we can find out where we went wrong. Any ideas whether you have to request that or they send it automatically?

Good luck to all those that got through anyhow.

ADRH

[Marvo]

Sorry to hear that the pfo letters are out, as you say, there is always next year. I still have not heard. :ugh: and I thought my maths was awful so it will not be long, my inbox is probably full!

[FBOZH]

I would like to know if anyone has any insight into the recruitment process. I too thought I did really well at the math, I had 2 questions left and am sure I answered most of them correctly. The verbal is harder to assess. We didn't do group exercises. Do you believe that they look into the psycho to determine whether we are fit or not and base a decision on it before stage 2? We were told that they use it during stage 2 for an interview with the psychic, sorry, the psychologist but still, I wonder. Any inkling much appreciated. Life goes on at TFly, without me.....:{

[Fly Better!]

I did pants on the maths but I got through and passed day 2 but now its all gone quiet, rumour has it that they may be holding back on recruiting now for a while, which sounds strange when they are still putting people in the sim :confused:

[Frantic]

Stage 1 20th July, (notified Friday) stage 2 very soon, and then who knows :}

[blue up]

Now new Euro legislation has come in to stop age-ism, they have stopped command courses for existing FOs but have probably used it as an excuse to stop new entries. Now captains can stay on beyond 60 (to 65) so there are a load of 61 year olds planning to move back into the left seat.

Might be the reasoning? If so, bad news for future roster-fodder.:*

[mackey]

Had the good news the other day,
was going for the 22nd for the sim assessment, but that day is full so hopefully going either on the 23rd or the 24th August.:ok:
M.

[calypso]

"Have used it as an excuse to stop new entries"

No excuse needed. No DEC if suitable candidates exist within. Full stop. Why do we need to offer any excuse to anybody?

[Marvo]

All the dates are full ! bugger, got to wait again, and I sat phase one on the 5th ! Oh well.

[kd2473]

Anyone else heard that they're not looking at processing anyone any further at this stage? My sources tell me they're pretty much full and no more job offers are imminent - anyone else?

[nomercy]

Had stage two on Thursday. They are now recruiting for a holding pool with courses on 737/757 hopefully around november time - they said 737 would be more likely.

[FBOZH]

has anybody asked for and been successful getting feedback from satge 1? I have sent an email and called once but no luck so far. I know the HR team is small and doesn't have time, just hoping they don't throw away all our paperwork in the meantime...

[thomson cook]

FBOZH,
I share your confusion. I was there on the 5th July and did not receive my results until very recently, contrary to the 7 or 8 days as promised. I didn't get through yet I have a background in teaching these kind of tests and found the assessments a none event (although you never know for sure). I have friends who blundered their way through the same tests and are now working for this company. I know I did well yet I didn't reach the required grade. I could be entirely wrong but something fishy has gone on in HR or they have not been honest regarding the reason for the knock back. Thomson fly, I respectfully suggest you have a little look at HR recruiters.

[jaarrgh]

Thomson-Cook,
I feel a little sorry for those you refer to as friends, I'm sure their performance was up to scratch. I can't help but think that in fact your performance on the tests was not to the required standard. I really looks as simple as that. If you found them a breeze and yet those who got through found them taxing then maybe you are just not doing it right. As for feed back, whilst it is important for assessments like sims and interviews these are just standard tests that can be found on the internet (search tfly and ba threads for links). Why not just do those online tests or buy a book and see your own 'feedback'. Just a suggestion.

[EGCC4284]

Could it be that you were very good at the maths and English part of the test, but the personality profile showed you as an odd ball?

How would that fit in if that was the case. You can add up and write a good letter but you are a nightmare to be sat next to for 10 hours ???

I worked very hard for the 2 weeks on the maths which got me through that part. The English I thought was a nightmare but still did my best.

The personality profile, I was just as honest as can be.

Yes, I did my best and did not find the assessments a none event as you say.

I sat at Luton before my stage 1, listening to everyone talking about who they already fly for etc etc etc etc.

I just kept quite and got on with it.

Thomson Fly, thank you soooooo much for giving me the chance.

I know a guy who has a 737 rating and about 1000 hours on type. He failed stage 1.

What does that say. Is it the rated guys they are looking for regardless of personality and the amount of preparation for the maths and English they have done or is it the correct personality and someone who prepares for the event they are looking for.


And I passed, I am sooooo pleased to of passed stage 1. Cannot believe it.

Just waiting to be called for stage 2 and preparing to get that right on the day.

Lots of practice currently being done in my friends home built 757 static sim in his garage and a couple of hours will be spent in the real thing before the big day.

http://www.boeingsimulator.com/

Do I want this job, believe me I do.

Preparation, preparation, preparation. That is the key.

Sorry for any poor grammar as I am not a bright as some.

[Marvo]

Is there anyone else who has been told the dates are now full? I sat stage one on the 5th July. I applied for one of the dates in Aug as soon as I got the email but now I have to wait till the next session. Oh well, it gives me more time to practice raw data ILS's.:rolleyes:

[EGCC4284]

Three guys I know applied for August 23rd and all had the same message. Full and that they will get back to them.

[flying log]

Has any one actually got in recently? It all seems to have gone quiet.:confused:

[Fly Better!]

My feeling is that their recruitment seems to have stopped for now.

The fact that they can fly some of their captains for a few more years and I would guess that the security issues recently have put the brakes on any immediate requirement.

I passed day 2 about a month back now and have heard no more news from them. Oh well :rolleyes:

[Northern Highflyer]

Recruitment is still ongoing as I have recently done day 2. However I got the PFO letter saying my sim wasn't up to their standard. For someone with no jet experience whatsoever I thought I made a reasonable attempt at it (obviously not). The flying was far from perfect but wasn't that bad. I am not sure what they expected from someone who has no jet time but I obviously didn't have it. I had studied all the CRM stuff so that I knew it in my sleep so am not sure exactly what went wrong. :{ :ugh:

[nimston]

6 guys I know all with varying jet experience some with 737 type ratings and my self with 1700hrs turbo prop all failed on the sim .and I ll go out on a limb here and say I flew the sim sortie well, I left the interview 1600 on a thursday got a "sorry but you failed the sim" letter the next morning at 0900. could be they are super efficient but when guys are waiting weeks and weeks to hear the outcome of their assesments . I cant help thinking my letter was written ready to go before I even left the building. We all could be not good enough for Tfly which is fair enough but I do doubt that. more likley changing crew requirements,

[Northern Highflyer]

Have just heard from a friend who went a few days before me, and with far more experience, that he also failed on the sim. Seems to be a pattern developing here. :eek:

Or maybe with so many applicants they can afford to be extremely selective on who they hire.

[Bluebaron]

I know two pilots who both failed the sim recently. They both had around 200 hours. I did a 2 hour 737 sim with both the day before and they did fine (based on their experience level).

:confused:

[flying log]

Would they put people through a sim check if they didn't need pilots?

[Marvo]

and here is the answer we have all been waiting for ! found this in my inbox :

I am writing to update you of our recruitment plans for the coming weeks. As it stands at the current time it looks unlikely that we will have any further simulator and interview days planned for the immediate future.
I realise that this will be disappointing news but regrettably it is unavoidable.
I hope to be able to update you again by the end of September.
Should we have any developments before the end of September we will contact you again by e-mail to advise and where possible offer a selection of sim and interview dates.

oh well..... that makes 3 pfo's in two weeks. That's a personal best!

[N Arslow]

I got the standard letter about failing the sim. I am curious - did ANYONE get another type of letter - saying that they failed the interview for example.
From my perspective, my sim was not great but I too had mitigation. I actually felt the interview could have been better.
So - is there anyone out there willing to say that slobbering over the psycho was the reason for them not being offered a position?

[Flare-Idle]

Just got this today from Thomson:

"I am e-mailing to advise that there has been a change to the second stage arrangements for next week. I regret to advise that we will now not be interviewing next week. We will still be undertaking the sim assessments as planned so you will still need to report to Alteon LTN for your brief and for confirmation I have confirmed your brief time below.
Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause.

Once you have completed your sim assessment you will be finished for the day and we will confirm the outcome of your sim with you by the end of next week. If you have been successful through the sim then we will advise you and will need to arrange interviews with you at LTN at a later date. If you have been unsuccessful through the sim we will also advise.
Once again our apologies for any inconvenience caused."

Any body else got the same ?:confused:

FI

[BAP]

Hi everybody!

I am sorry to hear that they are failing so many, but I don't believe that they will spend any time or money on sim assessments, if there wasn't a good reason to do so...

Anyway, for you guys who have made it through to the second stage, and who is waiting to be invited - Don't worry they will not forget about you, I had a gab of 6 months between the first and the second stage. I am now employed on the 757...

The rumours are that they have the required number of pilots for the time being, but at the same time they will most likely start to recriut again during the spring, as they did this year...

So cheer up, because it is definitly worth the wait!
Take care.
/BAP

[Northern Highflyer]

Maybe it's a "streamlining" exercise ?

With so many of us apparently making a right :mad: up in the sim, they are wasting time having to get people in to do the interviews. So only those that pass the sim will get to the interview stage (about 1 in every 100 from what I see on here) and the chance of a job.

Must dash - got a pile of dusty CV's to send out. :{

[Constant Speed DU]

Just to let you know that our newsletter on the 18th stated that there is a total recruitment freeze at the moment. Do not know how long it will last for? will keep you posted.:ugh:

[Flare-Idle]

Just got the good news that I have passed stage 2, sim assessment. Now, new process obviously for the remaining candidates:
after stage 2 to attend final interviews at Luton (stage 3). TFLY will advise at the end of september about the interview dates.

Fingers crossed.

Cheers

FI