CAA/JAA Aviation Medical & related issues

[Finals to land]

Dear all,

Very quick question for you... Any idea how long a JAR Class 1 medical result (at Gatwick) takes to come through? I've heard it takes anything up to 2 weeks. Any advice on the matter appreciated - thanks.

[This message has been edited by Finals to land (edited 11 February 2001).]

[Dizzy]

I had mine done last week. Whilst there, I was told two weeks. Some get it sooner, some later. If you don't get it within two weeks, they apparently don't mind you calling them.
They give you an idea of the result on the day - but subject to ECG analysis etc.
Hope this helps - mine should be back in a weeks time!

[griznhaz]

well, hello grant

[Finals to land]

Cheers for the advice folks... fingers still crossed!!! Good luck with yours.

[Jerra]

I have secured my funding for flight training and was all set to confirm my place at school, when I received a letter from the CAA, suspending my Class 1 medical certificate.

I have been diagnosed with a disease called Crohn's disease and am currently liasing with my consultant and the CAA, to get certain questions answered.

In conversation with the CAA, they have told me that it is likely that I will have a O.M.L. put onto my medical certificate, and that they might only allow me to fly with somebody else, who has an equal or higher flying qualification than myself, at ALL times.

Can you advise : -

Can I still undertake ALL of my flight training with this restriction?

Will this O.M.L. stay on my certificate ad infinitum?

Will the O.M.L. effect my future employment chances?

Thanking you in advance for your help/ advice,

[in need of help]

Does anybody know if there are any type of height to weight requirements for a first class medical ?

If so what are they ?

Any help would be appreciated

[feetnkneestogether]

As a word of advice to all of you just starting out.........go and get a Class 1 before you spend anymore money!!

When I made my first steps on this long and arduous journey I thought I'd get around to the medical eventually but for now I should spend my cash on the real deal ...time in the cockpit.
Now, 2 years later, having done all my ATPLs and progressing towards CPL & IR training I thought I'd better get that Class 1. Going down to Gatwick you can imagine that I suddenly felt very conscious of the fact that if I failed then I would have just wasted a large amount of time and money.

I'm happy to say everything was A-okay, but it made me think.

The Class 1 is just a series of tests to check your degree of "normalness". They're not looking for astronauts !

I have mild, sport induced, asthma and I put down that I was allergic to horses. Obviously I had to do the running around the block tests etc but the Doctor never made anymore reference to it and didn't even ask about the allergies.
Obviously don't go bananas on the truth and tell 'em every little ailment but just declare real material conditions.

It's valid for a year, costs £400, but won't cost you that much every year after. It's just the initial medical that does the works.

It's better to know now rather then later...!!!

[EGDR]

feetnkneestogether

Can you explain how you go about arranging a first class med ?

[Hob78]

Absolutely, there's no way I'd even think about starting my CPL training without a Class 1 medical.

[Harves]

EGDR,

Phone the CAA Medical Centre on 01293 573700 and just make an appointment for a Class 1.

Then get your cheque book out !!

But yes..do it first, normally no problems, but I have experienced that awful feeling with days to go to my start date at OATS 13 years ago only to find out that a blip on my EEG meant that I could not get a Class 1.

Still, here I am thirteen years later and back on the right track.

Good Luck

[ASI]

feetnkneestogether;

Could you please tell me what is currently involved as part of the class 1 eye test examination.

I am particularly interested to know if a topographical map of the cornea is made.

Thanks in advance.

ASI

[feetnkneestogether]

ASI,
I have no idea what he was doing with the topography of my retina...........!!?@$

Why not ask him.

Look at the CAA SRG website or else phone them.

[redsnail]

OK, I just did the JAA medical at the Gatwick. Since I have an ICAO ATPL there are some elements that aren't done eg EEG, X-ray etc. However, the eyes are looked at. If you wear spectacles and your diopter limits are greater than (maybe) + or -3.0 I think you will get drops. I didn't as my specs aren't too strong.

Distance vision is checked. "read the bottom line" sort of thing. L&R eyes and then both eyes, uncorrected and corrected.
Close up vision is checked. As above.
Colour vision is checked.Ishihara plates.
Retinas are looked at as well. (ie look at the bright light while they get very close to you with another bright light!!) They are looking at the back of your eyeball for any irregularities. No "mapping" was done as such.
Peripheral vision is checked.
Eye muscle balance is checked. They are looking to see if you are cross eyed here. I am. Then they check to see if you get double vision because of it. They do this by using a light on the end of a stick and moving it around, not unlike the peripheral vision check. They also check to see if you can track items close to you. I don't like that one.
No glaucoma check.
L&R eye dominance is checked as well.
Usual medical history questions are asked too. All in all, it was a pretty thorough eye exam.

[Blindside]

As it happens, I had my Class 1 this morning.

£400 to have your nuts felt by a complete stranger, an absolute bargain.

The eye tests are fairly thorough but little modern technology is used. The only automated measurement was with a Keeler puff tonometer to measure intraocular pressure.

There is no corneal topography performed and I did not see a corneal topographer in the room. Peripheral vision is tested by the use of a stick with a piece of plastic on the end, although there is a visual field analyser in the room.

Fundus examination is performed with an ophthalmoscope and on a slit lamp.

They do not see the normal range of patients, so probably require less complicated diagnostic equipment than a normal optometrist. Also their customers i.e. us, do not pay extra for special examinations so they have a limited revenue stream for investment purposes.

Why are you interested?? Have you had refractive surgery??

Any other questions fire away.

Cheers

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Half man, Half jalfrezi.

[herniair]

Another reason to do it now is, as usual, most things always become more difficult.
The latest story is that standards are going to be increased and will include fitness/'lifestyle' type tests, which will be more worrying for some than a gentle genital grab. Renewals of existing should not be affected, so old b....... will have the usual grandfather rights.

[Mr Magoo]

Wouldn't be playing the old Ortho K game by any chance then ASI?

PS initial issues -5D now if that helps!

Magoo

[ASI]

Mr Magoo;

I have not had the same sort of success with Bates methods as you have and am currently considering ortho-k as a future possibily to get through the initial class 1 - it seems that others have managed to do it..??

Thanks for all the replies.

ASI

[ASI]

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[EGDR]

Does anyone know if there are height/weight restrictions ???

[eject]

ASI, ref your query re corneal topography, I believe the US military have used these techniques to screen for laser correction. JAA medical has not adopted this method as yet and relies to a certain extent on the honesty of the candidate as lasik and PRK can not always be easily detected, even with slit lamp, fluorecene (sp?) and 30X magnification. Nevertheless, despite the fact that it may be difficult or even impossible to determine beyind doubt through slit lamp testing for instance that lasik or PRK had been performed, there are other clues which will provide the examining opthalmologist with strong evidence relating to the structure of the eye. Personally, as a wannabe who's undergone lasik, I was given lots of advice from an assortment of professional pilots, along the lines of "say nothing, they'll never know" etc. I decided to be up front and got my initial Class 1 without difficulty. That's not to say that something will not arise at some time in the future to prevent me from flying professionally/at all. For now though, two years down the line from the lasik procedure having been carried out, my vision is excellent and well within Class 1 standards. If you want any further info ASI, feel free to email/post.

[Blindside]

They certainly use a corneal topographer at RAF Cranwell for testing the RAF hopefuls.

They do not have a CT yet at Gatwick. However, what happens if you do not admit to having refractive surgery upfront and two years down the line they purchase a CT system and they subsequently tested you?

PRK is less instantly obvious than LASIK as there is no corneal flap. CT would highlight any laser treatment instantly, as would pachymetry (corneal thickness). However, an average optometrist would be less likely to spot anything when compared to an average ophthalmic consultant.

regards

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Half man, Half jalfrezi.

[bawannabe]

I have just had a CAA class one. They've come back to me telling me I have 'a minor brain abnormality shown on the EEG which needs further tests'.

Is this common?? Do people usually pass once further investigation is conducted?

I have a place on a BA training scheme and am very worried...can anyone advise?

[Pielander]

If they used the word 'minor', then I'd say there was still plenty of hope. Just hang in there fella. You've done your bit now!

Well done also.

Pie

[scroggs]

Moved to 'Medical', where it belongs.

scroggs

[CommanderBlonde]

I'm due to take mine in December when i will be just shy of my 30th birthday (gulp!)

Does anyone know if i would have to retake the medical in 2 or 5 years time? I presume it's 2 but i just want to check. Also if you renew is it another £400 odd or do you only have to re-take part of the medical?

Thanks for your help! :)

[Capt Wannabee]

You will have to have a general medical every year to keep a class one current. This costs around (i think) £100 and varies depending on where you have it done.
The other tests like chest X-Ray, ECG etc are repeated about every 5 years, I can't remember exactly what the time frame is with out looking at my class 1.
Hope this helps.

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[Blindside]

The info is here:

http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/pld/med/med_information.asp?page=/medical/SRG_MED_renewal_of_jar_medical_cert.htm

cheers

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Half man, Half jalfrezi.

[CommanderBlonde]

Thanks a lot guys - that's sorted me out!!

[paul-g]

Hi,

I haven't flown for about 2 years but I hold a UK CPL and have had my initial medical (although that also needs revalidating).

Anybody know what I need to do to become current again? Clearly I don't meet the currency requirements but I would not expect to have to start from scratch.

Are the initial issue requirements of the class 1 medical applied if you apply to revalidate an expired medical? I think my eyesight might be worse than 3.0 in one eye which might may 'initial' issue a problem, but I've held a valid class 1 up until it expired about a year ago.

I also have an Instructor Rating which I'd like to renew, though I'm hoping to avoid instructing by getting a pilot job.

Just a summary: about 850 hours with about 50 multi, plus 25 on 737 simulator at Oxford. Any advice on which airlines I should be talking to?

I realise that my 'break' from flying doesn't help me, but I needed to get myself financially back on my feet and I've more than achieved this. I guess there's plenty out there who've been where I am which is why I ask.

Thanks very much for your advice

[hassel]

I was in the same position but had 8 years lapse. Called CAA (this was a few years ago)
Day night 1179 current medical. That was it 3 circuits in an Aztec a quick d/n 1179 new licence. Then it was that easy. The CAFU for IR.
Get the medical first

[Polar_stereographic]

Hassel,

Re the IR, did you have to do the full monty with CAAFU, or did you just have to do it with someone who was a CAAFU examiner?

I'd be interested to know if it was the latter, and who you did it with.

Thanks

PS

pps, I heard a rumour that under JAA, if you do not renew a class one within 5 years you need to revisit Gatwick for an assesment, even if you keep a class 2 goiung in the mean time. What a load of c*****rs if that's true. I renewed my old medical and the AME was adament this was not the case.

[hassel]

Just the test in Exeter cannot remember his name. My AME confirms that and if you are more than a certain number of months outside (15 but not sure) he/she has to telephone CAA just to see if they require any further.
It just gets better.

[paul-g]

Which one's the 1179? THat's a type rating isn't it? What I really would like to know is if I have to book tests with CAFU examiners again <shudder>

About the IR, are you saying I have to do another test? Surely not. A renewal was what I had in mind.

Do I need to get an assessment from the CAA or are there prescribed actions I can take?

[Polar_stereographic]

Providing the IR has not lapsed for more than five years, only a renewal is required.

Not sure what the position on the multi engine is as the rules have change on that one too for a change....

I'm afraid commercial aviation has made me into a real skeptic, and not done anything for my spelling either!!

[hassel]

A telephone call should sort it out. And you are well in time wise.

[rolling circle]

You have not given enough information to allow a comprehensive reply, you obviously do not understand the privileges and requirements of the licence and rating that you hold.

Your CPL is valid for 10 years from the date of issue, nothing needs to be done within that time to 'revalidate' it.

It may be that one or more of your Class or Type Ratings has expired, you do not say whether that is the case. If so, you will need to pass a Licensing Proficiency Check (LPC) on either a Single Engine Piston (SEP) aircraft or a Multi Engine Piston (MEP) aircraft or an Operational Proficiency Check (OPC) and/or LPC on a specific type.

In order to renew your Instrument Rating you will have to pass an IR Proficiency Check, the content of which is identical to the initial IR Skill Test. The days of incompetent instrument pilots getting away with a quick 'renewal' with the local IR examiner are, thankfully, long gone. I suggest you brush up you limited panel U.P. recoveries - we're very hot on those, also limted panel turns.

Given your expressed attitude to instructing, I would not recommend renewing your FI rating. You are clearly unsuited to such a demanding occupation.

Oxford do not now and never have had a '737 simulator' they used to have a pair of very poor and unrepresentative generic twin jet procedure trainers, which did not merit approval under JAR-STD, and have recently obtained a slightly better generic twin-jet procedure trainer loosely based on the 737-400 which will, probably, achieve approval as a FNPT II. Any 'time' that you may have spent on these trainers is, for licensing purposes, wasted.

Incidentally, the Civil Aviation Flying Unit (CAAFU) has not existed for at least 7 years.

[paul-g]

Thank you Rolling Circle for what I regard an offensive reply to an innocent question.

I understand perfectly that my CPL is valid for 10 years and is therefore still valid. My request was for information which may have changed since I last flew regarding becoming 'legal' to fly.

Regarding my comments about instructing you have clearly grossly misconstrued these. All I was saying is that with my experience I would hope to go to flight deck rather than having to go back through the instructor route. I gained an excellent reputation as an instructor and enjoyed it immensely. I did not enjoy the 7UKP per flying hour that it paid and I don't think I could afford to go back to it. In fact it is this which led to me having to spend 2 years financially recovering.

Regarding instrument rating renewal your comment have urged me to get formal advice. I don't believe that I have to do the whole damned thing again - that's riddiculous. Although I agree with your comment regarding slackness under the system a couple of years ago. I was amazed at how the renewal was treated like a bit of a jolly with everyone passing; some just had to have a second go. I had prepared hard for that renewal as I would for the forthcoming one.

Regarding the simulator at Oxford (which are technically known as procedural trainers) my experience on this counts towards an airline career because my flying involved use of complex systems identical to those in use in a multicrew environment. I said nothing about booking the time although your comment about this time being wasted sounds to me like you have a grudge against individuals who have bettered themselves at their own expense to get more valuable flight deck experience.

Regarding your comments on CAAFU, my grandmother still talks of the Shilling but I know what she means.

[RVR800]

Paul-G

1. Renewal of the single engine class rating
is a simple matter of one flight of over an
hour with an SE class instructor. The CAA then get a slip of paper. There is no fee
for the CAA if its under 5 years

2. The FI rating renewal should ideally be
incorporated into the above to save cash

3. The IR renewal is not done by the CAA but
by an examiner of your choice (RC ... ?)
The ME class is renewed at this stage in
the same flight

I understand your position re flight pay for
'demanding' careers that pay about the same
as the average office cleaner gets

I have always adopted the 'dont give up the
day job approach ..'

[paul-g]

Thanks RV800 - that sounds a bit more realistic.

As I suspected it looks like a minimum of two flight tests; one skills test SE which brings currency up-to-date and renews a type rating if necessary, the other IR/ME renewal. No doubt there will be a small issue of preparing for these but that's no problem.

[rolling circle]

Take what advice you like, old chap, but it won't change the fact that the format of the IR Proficiency Check is exactly the same as the Skill Test - Six sections comprising:

1. Departure
2. General Handling (including turns and UP recoveries both full and limited panel)
3. En Route IFR procedures, both inside and outside regulated airspace
4. Precision Approach (ILS) either radar vectored or procedural, either symmetric or asymmetric at the examiner's discretion
5. Non-precision Approach either radar vectored or procedural, either symmetric or asymmetric at the examiner's discretion
6. Simulated asymmetric flight (EFATO, asymm approach and go-around, asymm approach and landing)

Enjoy.

[paul-g]

Fair enough then - what I need to do is get an action plan together to renew my CoE and ratings recognising that some of the requirements have increased.

About IR renewals, can these be done with IRE at pro schools or must these also be done, like the initial issue, with CAA examiners?

[RVR800]

An IRE is sufficient, no CAA

The CAA can provide you with a list of the
blokes that do it.

It is very informal - no gold braid.

.. RC is pointing out that the level of difficulty has increased under JAA and you therefore will probably require some practice on the new test profile ..

[NewBloke]

Firstly, being my first post, I'd like to say a hello to all you fellow wannabes. Anyway, here's the question......Last year I obtained my Class 1 medical to hopefully throw some extra weight at interviews. However, I know I may have been stupid, but It's now out-of-date by some 3 months. Is this going to be a major problem when I try to renew it !?!? Please don't tell me that I have to go back to Gatwick, drop my pants, and wear electrodes over my body. Again.

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"Everything in moderation, including moderation..."

[Flypuppy]

If it is a JAA Class 1 medical, which I suspect it is, you have up to 45 days from the date of renewal to get to an AME.

This is a useful link http://www.jaa.nl/jar/jar/jar/jar.fcl.3.105.htm

[RVR800]

The initial is the biggie and thats what
they will be interested in

Dont bother renewing it - Its not an issue
unless like me you are instructing or flying
public transport

A renewal involves going to see a local doctor not Gatwick but it costs so save your dosh until you NEED the privileges of a class I

[Rohan]

It's me again looking for some advice! You may remember me asking about Class 1 eyesight standards and acceptance of eyesight treated by laser. I have tried numerous times to get through to CAA Medical Dept and left at least three messages with no reply. However I found this question ion FAQ on their website -

"I am thinking about having refractive eye surgery - will there be any problems obtaining a JAR medical?

Refractive surgery can be accepted for Class 1 and Class 2 medical certification, provided your pre-operative spectacle prescription is within -5.0 dioptres of short-sightedness (correction of long-sight or astigmatism is not accepted). Following the surgery, you will be made "temporarily unfit" (all classes) and will be required to have assessments at six months and 12 months post-operatively. Following a favourable outcome at the 12 month assessment, you may be found fit for medical certification. Please note that the CAA does not recommend refractive eye surgery for certificatory purposes, because vision can be adversely affected by the surgery."

I had laser done about 6 years ago; my prescription was -3.5 and -3.75 and was not corrected for astigmatism. Am I right in thinking that I have a chance of passing the medical in this case?

[scroggs]

Rohan,
we have a forum specifically for this kind of question. It's called 'Medical & Health'; it is frequented both by those with similar problems to yourself and those with the knowledge to answer your questions. Wannabes are unlikely to be able to give you an authoritative answer to this question, so I am moving this thread to 'Medical & Health'.

[Tarmach]

Hi all!

Ive just tried to phone the CAA on a number of occasions to try to book a class 1 medical. However, the only response I get is from an answering machine. Is there any life forms within Aviation House or has the Borg finally taken over?

How long can I expect to wait from booking to the actual medical itself?

Many thanks,

Tarmach

[Capt.Biggles]

The medical division can be reached on their direct number which is 01293 573700, or you can fax them on 01293 573995.It can be difficult to get through at time, although first thing in the morning is usually ok.

Try leaving a message, they do call back, espesially if you leave a multitude of messages!

CB

[Blackshirt]

Tarmach,

There was about a 3 week delay when I booked mine back in April

[EGDR]

I just did my class 1 last week and now appreciate why it takes so long to get an answer on the phone. There is only one receptionist at the medical centre trying to do a hundred things at once.

Best thing to do is ring them just after 9am when they open, on the above number.

[Tarmach]

Thanks for all your replies. Guess at £400 a shot they should have a whole team of receptionists ready to take your money. :)

I would like to get it over and done with as soon as possible, the 3 week delay probably has increased because its summer etc! Am I right in thinking it only takes 2 days to receive your results?

[YanYan]

I did my Class 1 on Monday June the 18th and I had my results back on the Saturday. :D

[jetset737]

Ok for those that have gone for or who know what is envolved what happens and how personal do they get.
Please give examples of what you can be failed on.
Would something like a verucca mean failure

[BayAreaLondoner]

I got an FAA Class 1. Piece of cake. I expect that JAA one is different(?)
The details of the requirements are in the FARs. I got new glasses the week before and made sure that the optician tested all the items required by the FARs. When it came to doing the eye test at the AME's office, there were no problems.
The rest of it really seems to depend on your age and medical history. If you're over 40 (I think), they do EKGs, but then my GP does that anyway as part of my annual medical.
The other factor is the AME themselves.

[ 23 July 2001: Message edited by: BayAreaLondoner ]

[captainmacuk]

hi there,

Just curious to know would they peform a blood test on a class 1 medical at the age of 18, not that there is anything wrong with my blood by the way

How long does a class 1 medical take and what else is involved,

sorry if im taking over the original topic

see ya

[BayAreaLondoner]

I can only relate my experience of obtaining an FAA Class 1, so your experience may be different in other countries.
I was not required to submit to a blood test.
The entire process took less than an hour, and I walked out with the medical certificate.

[NewBloke]

You will have to have a blood test. The whole medical takes around 4 hours and has to be undertaken at Gatwick. It also includes ECG (heart monitor), EEG (Some weird brain wave monitor), Vitalograph (lung function), urine tests, physical exam, chest x-ray, hearing tests, and an eye test. Not to worry too much though - it's all quite friendly in there. Someone your age is unlikely to fail - from what they said to me, eyesight if anything is gonna let most people down when they are young. But you don't have to be eagle-eyed or anything. Do a search to get more info - there's loads written......

See ya... hope it goes ok...

NB :)

[Blackshirt]

You SHOULDN'T worry about a Class 1 - to fail I think you'd probably need some sort of congenital defect - at least when you're in your teens / twenties.

They're not looking for superhumans.

They're just checking your senses are okay and you're not liable to expire at an inopportune moment.

I'm not esp. fit, I wear specs to drive/fly, drink loadsa beer and enjoy quite a few cigerettes and I had no probs.

Everybody: RELEX!

PS the most unpleasant part is having get your cock out in front of the doctor

[ 24 July 2001: Message edited by: Blackshirt ]

[Eggboy]

I recently passed my initial JAA Class One at Gatwick (the only facility to issue the initial). I would agree with what NB says above so far as he odr of the day. They are also certainly not looking for superhumans, they are trying to identify any anormalities that would threaten your ability to function safely and efficiently on the flight deck.
It will set you back some 400 notes but it is absolutely worth the investment. It is after all the one thing we have little control over besides eating ok and exerising sensibly. Good luck ;)

[NewBloke]

Thanks Blackshirt for brightening up my dull afternoon ! Put very eloquently I thought ! Your comment made me laugh - not a pleasant experience that one. And the old chap didn't even wear gloves !??! Work that one out..... Anyway, reason I replied was to say I hope I didn't induce panic with my post with a daunting list of what they do. I was just being informative because it sounds completely different (more stringent anyway) to what our American chums have to go through. Don't panic !! I too ( along with many )enjoy the odd vice every now and again and still managed it. For God's sake don't become a reclusive monk wannabe.

NB.

[ 24 July 2001: Message edited by: NewBloke ]

[WGW]

Bit of a pi$$er that the FAA one costs $65 and the CAA charge you £400. Yes, you read that right my American chums, nearly six hundred of your dollars.

FAA is general exam, drop 'n' cough, ears, eyes and pee in a pot.

CAA is all that plus blood test, EEG (Electro-encephalogram) and ECG (Electro-cardiogram; what they call an EKG in the States) Takes best part of a day, but no big deal if you're generally health. EEG checks for epilepsy, but when I asked, they said they v seldom find evidence in someone who's not symptomatic (but there are of course people who suspect they're epileptic but tell no-one in case they lose their drivers licence etc.) If you know you're healthy, you'll have no problem at all.

And no, they FAA and CAA certs aren't interchangeable. Now how did you know I was gonna say that?

WGW

[WGW]

Ooh, forgot about the chest x-ray and lung function. Not so bad see for you 400 quid. Bargain.

All those psychedelic colours when they flash that strobe at you with your eyes closed. :eek: :eek: :eek: NB, you know what I'm talking about...

WGW

[NewBloke]

Certainly do..... that was weird. Thought I was gonna pass-out when that woman made me hyper-ventilate !! Mind you, she was a lovely looking lass when I went there. That's something to look forward to I suppose (If you are a bloke of course). ;)

[foghorn]

One of the big differences between the UK and the US on charges and fees for aviation is that the US government subsidises the FAA massively from taxpayers' money, while ours insists that the CAA gets all its funds from its charges and licences fees.

When you get to Aviation House, have a look around at their state-of-the-art offices and have a meal in the cheap, nice restaurant on the top floor, and you'll soon realise why medicals and licences cost so damn much in this country.

[BayAreaLondoner]

Not a complaint, just a comment, and an off topic at that:

As a displaced Briton living in the US of A, it always amazed me that government intervention and subsidies of things in general does not seem to go down well. Look at Dubya's tax cut - instead of using that money for something that might be longer lasting, individuals get $300 back to spend... The bright side is that $300 worth of flying though.
Instead of a single digital mobile phone standard in the US, there are at least four - all of which are incompatible - because the FCC "believes in market forces". Yet in European counties and most of the world, GSM rules and handsets and airtime are cheap and ubiquitous.

Yet when it comes to the FAA and airports, the situation is very happy here compared to what I read about the UK and the rest of Europe, due to the fact that there is a certain amount of taxpayer money that funds them. I assume that the proportion is far higher than elsewhere.

When I flew in the Netherlands recently, people here couldn't believe that I had to pay landing fees in the Piper Archer I rented.

[Tarmach]

Could someone please explain this. Why did the CAA initial class 1 cost £200 a few years ago, and now under the JAA it costs £400?!

[NewBloke]

I asked this out of curiosity and the reply was "...err...the cost of this new equipment, and extra tests".... I know...makes you laugh. I reckon it's probably the cost of the extra 'consultants' required to check over the results etc... They tend to charge a fortune.

NB

[Lift Fan]

Hi,

Is a JAR-FCL Class 2 medical required to take the skill test for a JAA PPL?

I understand one is needed as an applicant for a PPL but what's not clear to me if it's needed for the skill test.

I ask as I intend to take the skill test in the US and I know of no JAA medical examiners on the west coast.

Thanks

[Tarmach]

As far as I know a Class 2 medical is required to go solo and therefore before doing your skills test!!!

[anawanahuanana]

I was told by the CAA that I could continue to use my old CAA class 3 medical, as long as I had a JAA class 2 when I actually sent all of my stuff off when I applied for the licence. But don`t quote me on it! You know how often they change their minds.....!

[Lift Fan]

Thanks for the replies.

Tarmach, my aplogies for not making myself clear.

I'm doing the JAA skill test in the USA and I won't be able to get a JAA medical until I return to the UK in a few months, hence my question.

A US medical is required to fly solo in the US - same rules as UK.

Anawan.... I've now heard from another source that, as you say, you only need the JAA class 2 on application.

[Luke SkyToddler]

I believe it is.

I can tell you that as of a few weeks ago, they are no longer allowing people who hold UK Class 3's but are still under training for their PPL, to fly solo until they've done a JAR class 2. It caught out an older student at my school who seems to be having trouble passing a JAR medical (even though he holds a UK one and has quite a few hours of solo), he can't finish his PPL now until it gets sorted.

Yet another case of the almighty JAA sticking it to another aspiring pilot, that's a surprise ... :rolleyes:

[Tarmach]

Luke,

Am I right in thinking if you have a PPL and a CAA class 3 medical (which hasnt expired yet) you can still fly legally without a JAA Class 2 med?

cheers

Tarmach

[rossco18_uk]

Hi everyone,
After having posted a message about getting my PPL at Prestwick or Glasgow, I have come to the decision of prestwick. However, seen as I want to be a commericial pilot in the near future, I guess it would be worth it just to fork out for a Class 1 rather than a Class 2. However, I have read the information on the CAA website. I was wondering if someone who has done it recently, could tell me exactly what it is like! Is it a nightmare? Do they trully make you run around the building or on a treadmill? What exactly does the Physical involve? Anyway I am about to have my first ever flying lesson next weekend, so I am completely looking forward to it. I was sitting in the cockpit of the Cherokee yesterday and we sat and watched as a Boeing 747 (Polar Air) took off literally 30m away from us. Incredible! Anyway any help would be great guys. I did try searching for topics but it never ever seems to work, so i thought I would post a message.

Happy Flying
Rossco

[monkeyboy]

Rossco, good luck with your first ever lesson. It'll take you a while to pull yourself off the ceiling afterwards!
With regards to the medical, if you're serious about going commercial then go for your Class 1. I know it's 'slightly' more expensive but at least you'll know straightaway whether you can make it medically as a commercial pilot. When I was asking myself the exact same question 16 months ago I found the Medical forum most informative. Try asking your question again in there.

Good luck!

MB

[EGDR]

Well this is basically all there is to a Class 1 -

EGG - (electrocardiogram) lie on the bed, they stick pads to your chest, connect it to a monitor, check your heartbeat .Doesn't hurt unless you have a hairy chest.

EEG - (electroencephalogram) they stick things on your head connect you to a monitor, flash a light in your face to find out if you will have a fit - nice!

**** in a pot - to check for blood sugar level/diabetes

Prick you on the finger for blood - check for cholesterol, anaemia

Chest X Ray - looking at heart outline and lungs (field clear & expanded)

Audiogram - sit in a box, wave your arm around checking you can move your arm - no not really - its a hearing test.

Spirometry - blowing really hard into a tube/machine thing - looking at lung capacity

Eyesight test - by optometrist full eye test including colour vision and the eye pressure test - beautiful thing that fires an air jet into your eye - my fav !!

Full physical - by doctor (apparently). Makes sure you can bend those limbs, touch the toes, hits the knees with those sticks with a rubber knob on top and last but not least the drop and grope :eek:

Guaranteed to be the quickest way to spend £400 in 3 hrs ( unless you burn your money).

ENJOY !!

[FMC=MC2]

I suppose you could spend the £400 quicker with a high class call girl, more fun me thinks...

[ 10 September 2001: Message edited by: FMC=MC2 ]

[mad_jock]

So which machine were you up in then G-ATOM?

Fine old old burd.

Let me know when you next go for a lesson and I will meet you at the club and show you the fine soup at the garden center.

BTW polar is the least of your worries. The fekin Sea Kings have hurrendus votex's coming off them. The first you know about it is a kick up the backside. Its more the shock than anything.

Have fun.

MJ

PS there are quite a few Bashes in the lowlands belt, next one is in Oct in Glasgow.

BTW thats the best summary i have seen yet for the class 1. The worst bit i found was the half hour flashing lights in you face apart from the dosh being extracted.

Expensive weekend that 400 for the medical then 700+ for the ATPL exams then another 150 for 2 nights in Tiger Tiger. Hells bells thats 30 hours flying :(

[ 10 September 2001: Message edited by: mad_jock ]

[RVR800]

The fastest way to spend it is on a
CAA multi IR check ride

[Chocks Wahay]

I had my medical on a Monday morning, having got up at 5am for the first flight down. All morning being prodded and having strobe lights flashed at me, and getting lots of jelly-stuff in my hair (they have showers, but you have to ask). Don't bother wearing a suit, you just look more of a plonker when you run round the building (they made me do it), and anyway they give you a dressing gown to wear.

Ask the Doctor (most of the stuff is done by nurses) to give you a class 2 certificate at the same time, it doesn't cost anything extra, and you get the certificate immediately (you'll need it for going solo) rather than waiting weeks on the post.

On the plus side, the nurses are very very cute (so they should be for £400 / hour).

I cheered myself up in the afternoon by having a couple of hours on a proper simulator, to remind myself of what I was aiming for (not that I'm aiming to fly Tridents, but it's closer than a Cesspit 152).

[rossco18_uk]

Hi all,
thanx for the replies. So am I right in thinking then that you do not run around a building? I was thinking of going to the gym and working out a bit, but then I don't smoke or take drugs so I should be reasonably fit anyway - just a little underweight, but I cannot see that being a problem! B.T.W. do they measure your height/weight? Just out of curiosity! Yes it is G-ATOM I will be training in. That is the a/c I was sitting in when the big Polar came by. I cannot wait to get started. I think it will prob be Sunday, but it could well be Saturday - depending on who is training me. I have to phone Steve tomorrow and he will let me know. Anyway and more info on the medical will be cool. Im phoning them tomorrow to get it booked. That will be me skint for the rest of the month until payday hehe.

Rossco

I am not looking forward to getting a puff of air in my eye!!!!

[EGDR]

Am I missing something what is B.T.W. ???


Yes, they do measure height/weight - I'm a lardass and had no problems!!

[skysoarer]

Rossco;

EGDR summerised the medical pretty well. If you're booking it now you'll probably get a appointment for about this time in October; thats the time scale mine was in when I booked it in July. BUT there is no question do the Class 1 if you intend to train for an ATPL and find out if your ok.

As for height/weight, unless you are at one of the extremes; i.e. fat/short or thin/tall you should be alright there - but I don't remember them doing that with me. BTW I almost nodded off during the epilepsy test, she saw the readings enter a very relaxed state and she started talking to alert me!

BTW: BTW means Between the words...

The only thing I questioned were the eyesight requirements, so I took a sheet to Boots and had an eyecheck before booking the Class 1; after all £20 is much less than £400. If there were anything serious that would fail you you'd probably know it in the back of your mind.

Hope this helps!

SS

[rossco18_uk]

HI again,
Thatnx Skysoarer. Well I would come under the tall/thin issue, but again thats only coz I have a high metabolism rate i.e. i eat like a horse but dont put on a pound in weight. Did they make your run around a building or run on a treadmill and if so for how long?

rossco

[AerBabe]

If you have any specific questions, don't forget that you can phone the CAA and ask!

01293 573 700

[EGDR]

Read the summary again

NO, repeat NO running around, on a treadmill,no 1.5nm in 11min, up the walls or around Gatwick !!

No, non, nil, ne, ne, nope, naw, ei, nein, nei, lie, nullus, meiyou, nej !

I hope that is clear !!!

[Captain-Ireland]

B.T.W. means By The Way

as in BTW how's your mother doing these days.

[mad_jock]

Chaps how could you all have fogotten. What about the finger where the sun don't shine after the 2 arms and 2 legs check.

MJ

[VORDME]

Who said the nurses were cute?

Did you have the eye exam?!!

Nothing to worry about rossco mate, only probs I had were Blood Pressure-almost broke the sphyg.!

Still waiting on word and that's over 10 days, but should be OK fingers crossed.

Never got the butt/finger test by the way!

Summary above is accurate though, and you won't be asked to run around the building 1st. Only if you fail the blow test! (Athsma)

Anyhow guid luck!

VORDME
:rolleyes:

[rossco18_uk]

Hi there guys,
Thanx for the replies. I am curious as to what the "butt/finger test" is? But never mind! One other question though - what in god's name do you wear to the medical? Is it a formal occasion i.e. suit and tie, or just jeans and T-shirt. I am unsure about this and do not want to walk in in a suit when it is only jeans and top. I have booked my Class 1 yesterday and it is on 23rd October at 1245pm. All in all it doesn't look that bad to me, so hopefully I will pass it ok. What did you think of the day Vordme? I feel I am going to be more nervous doing this than going down for a BA interview, as this really does decide my future a lot. I thought you found out on the day whether or not you pass and then certification was sent out within two days? Maybe I am wrong. Let me know how you got on anyway and what it was like!

Cheers
Rossco

[Chocks Wahay]

Mad_Jock - I didn't get the finger test, but the meat & 2 veg got a thorough inspection.

EGDR - I had to run round the building, having confessed to having been asthmatic. They did the peak flow test, made me do two laps round the Belgrano (through the loading bay, past the smokers at the back door) and then more peak flow. Then they told me I wasn't asthmatic any more - result!

Rossco - wear whatever's comfy, it's very informal.

[EGDR]

Take your own dressing gown . I did and had a much more enjoyable experience.

Think somebody is getting confused with a finger up the bum and the doc rapping his hands around your glands (the ones below the waistline - you pay good money for it , so enjoy it )

[VORDME]

Rossco mate,

Wear whatever you feel most comfortable in.
I was at BA Medical in the morning so wore a shirt and trousers but most at the CAA wore casual stuff like jeans and a top. It doesn't matter really coz they soon stick you in a lovely white terry toweling number!

There is nothing to worry about, just have a few drinks of water to flush out the crap in yer bladder in the morning. (stay off the booze for a couple of days prior) RELAX.

You will get Cardiogram, Audiogram, Brain Scan, Medical, Specimen, Lung Function, Eye Exam, Tympanogram (lugs), Chest X-Ray, Finger-prick blood samples,weight&height and thats about it.

Nothing to worry about.

If you are halfway fit and healthy then its a formality. As I said my BP was ballistic! but everything else was ok so just chill!

Let me know how you get on.

All the best

VORDME.

;)

[mad_jock]

Bloody hell i was taking the pish hence the winking eye.

The summary is completely correct. And as for the fat/thin thing. Due to the fact that i am a chunky chap i did have some concerns about the weight thing. Aparently they will only fail you if you are over 35 BMI which is huge so there shouldn't be a problem there. And the thin thing is only a concern if your anorexic because this shows you are mentally unstable.

But saying that when they did the fat test on my blood i was 1.95. And the ultra skinny bloke was 5.2 and had to go to his doctor when he got home. Much prefer it round my gut than coating the inside of my veins.

MJ

[rossco18_uk]

Hi,
I am soon to go down for the dreaded Class 1 medical at gatwick - 23rd october to be precise. I was just posting this last topic so anyone who has been can give me a last piece of advice. Anything I can do to prepare for it? Anyway I hpoe everything will go smoothly and I'll be fine.

Cheers
Rossco

[Evil...Captain Evil]

Rossco Hi!

You dont need any advice, or preparation; you'll be fine. If you can walk through the door chances are you'll pass one way or another, however:


I would have thought that if anyone was to slip up it would be on the eye exam or the ECG. Eyes usually cause the problems, but as long as you dont wear glasses then you should be fine. Colour vision is tested as well. Get a good nights sleep the night before and on the day, before you go in, try warming your eyes up by focusing on objects from a distance - I honestly believe that helped me.

The ECG can sometimes spring a nasty suprise, even if you show so much as extra ectopic beats, they will send you for extra testing. This doesnt mean disqualification - the CAA want their backs covered, and they're erring on the side of caution, but chances are you'll be fine either way.

The rest is fairly straight forward, stay away from loud music for a couple of days for the hearing test, try not to eat anything too sugary on the day of the medical and dont delve too far into your medical history when asked!

Its really very painless and wish you the best of luck!

Captain Evil

:p

[ 05 October 2001: Message edited by: Evil...Captain Evil ]

[BravoOne]

Hi There,

Does anyone know if the CAA carry out the class 1 medical on saturdays?

Also, how long, approx. does it take to complete.

Regards,
B1.

[few@two]

Not too sure about them completing the medicals on a Saturday... you could always give them a quick ring.

The medical takes approx 2.5/3hrs as long as everthing is running to schedule.

May take longer if you are older. :rolleyes:

[BravoOne]

I'm 24 and in fairly good condition.

B1.

[marvin bijkerk]

Hi there fellow wannabes,

As we all know we need to pass our Class 1 Medical in order to become professionals. So, recently I invested in a proper Medical examination at the CAA. Everything seem to be just fine, but unfortunately I had failed. The reason: I had non-hodgkin lymphoma 20 years ago! Just because it stands in the protocol of the CAA (as the AME told me) I will be disqualified, disregarding the fact that I have been cured twenty years ago and the chance of me getting it will be just as big as any other healthy person. I have been advised to appeal for this matter, and as you can imagine, I will certainly do so! However, I'd like to get some ideas of what to do exactly and hear any suggestions on what my best way of acting in this matter would be. Are their any other wannabes that feel discriminated against, or are there any professionals that have gone through a similar situation? Your response would be much appreciated!

[redsnail]

Mate, try posting this in "Medical" as well. Often very helpful.

[CAT3C AUTOLAND]

Guys,

My class 1 medical is coming up for renewal. I have just been surfing the SRG website but cannot source the information I require, anyone know the precise procedure in renewing a class 1 medical?

I seem to recall you can get a CAA approved doc to do it for about 100 quid? For christ sake, please do not tell me I have to part with 400 nuggets again! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

Please advise,

Thanks

CAT3C

[VFE]

Hi mate,

Nah, you don't need to part with anything more than £100. Shop around as prices vary from doc to doc. Know a cheap one near me if you're interested, not far from Duxford....ideal excuse to wangle a trip to the museum huh? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

All the best.

[CAT3C AUTOLAND]

Max Speed Flaps Extended, thanks for your reply.

Cheers.

[mjkukin2]

havent the regualations change too the JAA-FCL licensing requirements or does the uk still have their own. correct me if i am wrong. if you want some advice if you go too <a href="http://www.caa.co.uk" target="_blank">www.caa.co.uk</a> and then too seftey regulations left hans side then click medical requirments it tells you the most general stuff. if you want the new JAA-FCL regulations can be obtained from <a href="http://www.rapidoc.com" target="_blank">www.rapidoc.com</a> but r expensive under JAA-FCL 3

[Cahlibahn]

JAR FCL 3 is available online at <a href="http://www.jaa.nl/jar/jaa/toc10415.htm" target="_blank">JAR_FCL_3</a>

[Kamil]

Can I pass a first class med
with asthma?

[IanBowden]

Depends how bad it is i think, take a look at the caa website, cant remember exact address, but there is a medical section explaining all the requirments,

Ian Bowden
EGNT

[pjdj777]

<a href="http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/pld/med/med_information.asp?page=/medical/SRG_MED_asthma.htm" target="_blank">http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/pld/med/med_information.asp?page=/medical/SRG_MED_asthma.htm</a>

[mad-andy]

WANNABAPILOT.

You can have a class1 and suffer with asthma.It really depends how bad it is.I have a class1 and suffered when i was a kid and sometimes when i get the flu but not too much.
Tell the CAA when you apply and they do your beathing test,then get you to run around their carpark until you are ready to collapse.(A nurse watches you by the way)Then they do the test again and compare the two.Don`t know what the limits are though?.
All I can add to this is be straight with them in the beginning and write down any perscribed drugs you may be on,the one i`m on i can`t even pronounce!.
So now you only have to wait for someone to pipe in with the,`If you do you won`t get employed anyhow`,lame quote and that should do it.Bear in mind the people who quote that are just pissed cose they can`t fly properly even when they can breath OK.Good Luck.

[Decision Altitude]

Hi guys, just wondering what the rules are at the moment. My old Class 3 medical has run out and as such I need a new one. Which one do I need now as I understand the numbers have changed slightly. I dont intend getting an ATPL so theres no point in going to Gatwick for the full Class 1.

Finally, what sort of money are the chaps in white coats charging for the medical??

Thanks and Regards

DA

[Spacer]

You need a JAR Class 2, and it cost me about £150. I was ripped off, but isn't everyone?

[keith pearse]

This is a very obvious thing to say but.. make sure you have passed your Class 1 medical before thinking to seriously about any ATPL training. I had visited the schools, secured the funding and was all revved up and ready to resign from my current city job when completely unexpectedly I failed the Class 1 on a minor mid frequency hearing loss that I had no idea I had. It's not serious enough to even notice in normal life but enough to fail the medical... so looks like I'll always be a Wannabe !

[londonlad]

Just another note-this one sounds REALLY silly, but as I don't know, I'll ask. Where in London can I get my CAA First class medical done from?? I used to go to this guy in Earls Court for my FAA ones, and I know he does the CAA one too, but I'm not sure if I have to go to Gatwick to do anything. Seems like you have to go to Gatwich to do almost everything! Someone fill me in please. Thanks.

[BIG BLACK RAT]

If this is your first CAA Class one then I think it HAS to be Gatwick. There after you can go and see your local CAA approved Doctor.

KP - Sorry To hear your news !

Is there any appeal at all ?????

[ 21 January 2002: Message edited by: BIG BLACK RAT ]</p>

[SuperTed]

KP,

I'm sorry about that. What did the doctor say? Did he think it was the result of some induced damage such as loud music or were you born with the hearing defect? I'm not a medical doctor, but perhaps you just had an ear infection on the day?

[ 21 January 2002: Message edited by: SuperTed ]</p>

[keith pearse]

The appeal process was to go to a specialist audiologist.. who promptly confirmed what the CAA people had said !

[londonlad]

OK-this is my first medical that I'm going to go for, so I take it I HAVE to go to Gatwick. Can someone please confirm this. How do I go about getting a date for the medical? Any ideas/phone numbers I can call to get this arranged. Anyone have a clue about the costs involved. Will it take 30 mins or a whole day? All responces appreciated. Thanks.

[SuperTed]

You have to go to Gatwick (Aviation House) for the initial Class 1 medical. The cost is £400. The whole medical takes around half a day. To arrange the medical contact the CAA. Not sure about the phone number but it will be on their website. The waiting list for a Class 1 can vary but usually waiting times are around 1 to 2 months.

Hope this helps,

ST.

[keith pearse]

It cost £400.. takes the best part of a day.. lots of waiting around in a tasteful white robe. Haven't got the phone number in front of me but you can find it via the CAA website.

KP

[londonlad]

Thanks for that one SuperTed....Nice one.

[rjsl608]

CAA phone number for booking the med is. .:01293 573700. .I got mine this friday.. . <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

[November Whiskey]

KP,

Sorry to hear your news (no pun intended!)

I had my initial Class 1 on Friday just gone. All seems well, but will have to wait for confirmation in a couple of weeks.

On a lighter note! whilst attending the affor-mentioned medical, having just sat down with the Doc (just after my Brain scan), the bloody fire alarm rang.

So there was myself and another chap in our White robes, standing in the car park of Aviation House, together with about 300 C.A.A. employees all pointing and smirking at us! Nice!

Still it could of been worse, 15 minutes earlier and I'd have looked like Floella Benjamin!

I did wonder if it was something to do with psychological profiling, you know a test of character, but then realised it was just bad luck!

Anyway, apart from that, the rest was uneventful by comparison!

Best of luck for the future!

. .N.W.

[Matthewjharvey]

Gangsta,

Don't know your situation but a word on the price of the medical - if you have an ICAO CPL with a valid medical then you will only have to pay 189 quid for your JAA class one as they do not do the chest X Ray or the brain thingy. Make sure you take any foreign licenses and medicals with you. They did not tell me of this little fact until their optician pointed it out to the receptionists, he saved me over 200 quid. Good old CAA - anyway to rip you off.

[CAT3C AUTOLAND]

KP, sorry to hear your bad news mate, you must be gutted.

Gangsta, Superted is right, 400 notes and half a day being poked and proded. I found the day quite enjoyable, as you get to meet like minded people at various stages of the game. I only had to wait a couple of weeks for mine, not 1 to 2 months, but I guess that just depends on how busy they are. Be prepared for the testicle inspection <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> !

[CAT3C AUTOLAND]

DA,

I have just booked my class 1 renewal at aviation medicals, I do believe they will do a Class 2 for 125 quid. Check out the website.

<a href="http://www.aviationmedicals.co.uk/prices.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aviationmedicals.co.uk/prices.htm</a>

Cheers.

CAT3C

PS. Just noticed you are from Scotland, so maybe not such a great idea!

[ 21 January 2002: Message edited by: CAT3C AUTOLAND ]</p>

[redsnail]

The Greaser, you also need to have 500 hours as well.. .I got the discount on account of having an Aus ATPL + 500 hours.

[cloudskimmer]

ive been quoted 200 quid for my first class 2 for my ppl.....am i being ripped off

[micheal]

Hi

My class 2 cost me 119.00 at Gatwick. A pain in the arse to get to but it was convient for me at the time.

[djk]

mine was £125 but that was a year ago, so no idea if it's gone up since

[Gunner B12]

God! and here was me thinking A$77.00 was expensive! <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

[Artificial Horizon]

If your not too far away try Dr Trevarthen in Welwyn Herts on 01438 714056

Jar Class 2 initial £100 or renewal £50 without ECG etc which will cost is extra 50 quid.

[blackknight]

Hi guys and Gals, i have just been asked by my brother to enquire what the current state of affairs is regarding colour perception tests at initial and renewal medical examinations... He is currently a professional rugby player in superleague, and has started putting some of his fortunes to one side, so he can do a Tony Underwood when he finishes, although not planning on using his fame I hope (mostly as he doesnt have any). Anyway his main concern is colour perception, through his life he has had mixed results at School, Doctors etc as to whether he is colour blind. He wants to know that if he passes the test at initial is it then re-assessed again at revalidation or assumed to be genetic and hence not need testing ever again??????

[ 30 January 2002: Message edited by: blackknight ]</p>

[Irish Flyer]

Does anyone know if there is anywhere in Ireland that you can complete a class 1 medical?

[Pub User]

You need to go to Gatwick for a Class 1 initial issue, unless you're in the forces.

[FRIDAY]

Irish flyer you can get your class 1 initial medical done in the mater hospital, however it will be an IAA class 1 med but you can have this converted to a caa class 1 med if you wish for a small fee.just give them a bell and they will fill you in. I hold a caa class 1 med by this method without having to go near gatwick.

[skiddy]

I currently hold a class 2 medical which I have held for 4 1/2 years. It is due for renewal around November/December 2002. I am interested in possibly making a career out of flying (if I am not too old !(38 this year)) but unsure if I should take the class 1 medical or just continue with the class 2 until I start any form of training. Advice please and am I too old ?

[no sponsor]

You are not too old for the medical, but I beleive that because of your age, they may make some of the checks in more detail.

If you do go for a Class 1 you have to be re-validated every 6 months if you are over 40. Every 12 if you are under. This can be done with the local AME, but it would cost some more dosh.

I would recommend that when you know for sure that you are considering commercial flight training, then go for the Class 1. Until then, stick with the class II.

[sam white]

The Class 1 initial medical is £400, so hold on to your dosh untill you are sure. BUT before you pay out money for an ATPL and spend months and months training make sure you have had it. There are too many stories of people that didnt get around to it until half way through there course, then found they didnt pass, and would never hold one due to an unknown problem, one guy that i refer to was fit in every other way, and saw it as nout but a quick trip to the docs that could be done some other time.. .only my advice.

[Autofly]

skiddy,

Listen to the good advice above. At the end of the day if you can't pass the Class 1 then forget it. I've got my Class 1 a couple of weeks before my first solo which I think was a good idea. At 25 it costs me £80 a year to keep it current which in the grand scheme of things isn't too bad for the peace of mind that I can pass it.

Your not too old thats for sure! At the end of the day there are loads of commercial pilots alot older than you who still have to pass it. Book yourself an appointment down at Gatwick then when you get it through the post its all systems go for a crack at the ATPL's. Good Luck <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

AF

[EX FTE]

The advantage of getting a Class 1 now rather than later is that the initial exam standard is fixed whereas renewals allow for the ageing process. So, if you take it now while you are presumably a normal healthy fit Class 2 holder, all your renewals will make allowances for things like changesin hearing, eyesight etc. If you wait a few years while the hiring cycle sorts itself out you may find you have a bit more of a challenge.

Another advantage of doing it now - there is no waiting list!! I phoned up on Monday, was at Gatwick on Wednesday and had the medical cert in my postbox on teh Saturday morning! Well done CAA!!

Fully endorse what was said about getting the Class 1 BEFORE investing too heavily in the courses. All learning towards an ATPL will be beneficial even as a PPL if you dont pursue the pro-career but it is better to enter the study phase with you eyes open as to what your end ambitions are.

PS: I am 34 and working on that elusive ATPL. 38 doesnt seem to be over the hill. Way I figure it is that airlines may well want a mix of ages in their hiring pool to smooth out retirement bulges.

[Capt BK]

How much does the annual renewal generally cost? I am planning on travelling to Gatwick in the summer before I start my US hr building and ATPL course but as I wont be doing my CPL/IR for another 12-18 months after that I cant really afford to be forking out large amounts of cash once a year just for the medical.

CBK

[P.Pilcher]

Get your initial class I from the Gatwick lot as soon as possible it may cost an arm and a leg, but it never needs to be done again. Then continue to renew to class II standards with your local, friendly AME. When you NEED to hold a class I, then your said AME can renew you to class I standards, providing he is approved to do so.

best of luck.

[thedove]

one more point, not all docs will renew both a class 1 and 2 some only do one or the other. But caa have a list on their web-site for those in your area and i think fees as well. The one I checked out in central london would renew a class 1 for £180.

38, pah - your a baby! (ok maybe not literally)

[Tip tank]

I'm renewing my class 1 with a doctor in London (Rood Lane Medical Group, EC2) - £93 plus an extra £35 if you need an ECG every 2 years at my age of 31)

It will give you the piece of mid you need before you spend all that money and will be an insignificant cost in relation to what you're going to end up forking out!

[rmurton]

I last had a class 1 medical just over 5 years ago. Does anyone know how I get this revalidated and who to contact

[GonvilleBromhead]

Richy, . .. .Try 01293 573685, FCL medical section, Gatwick.. .. .cheers.

[Dakota Queen]

Hi Guys, I'm very new to this. Wondering if my eye weakness will rule me out from getting a commercial license?
I have a +5.00/+5.50 correction and wear glasses or contacts.
Do I have a hope??!! Is laser surgery accecpted?
Thanks
Aspiring A3XX Pilot

[ETOPS773]

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64646

Look at the bottom bit.You should be fine as long as your assertive enough if they mess you around.

[Superpilot]

Someone has told me that he has a JAA Class 1 medical yet only needs to renew it every 5 years BECAUSE he intends to use it for the purpose of PPL flying only. If he does decided to do a commercial course then he will be required to revalidate it every year. Is there any truth to this?

[FlyingForFun]

I recall reading a thread on this forum about this, recently, although I can't find it any more.

From what I remember, your friend is right, so long as his Class 1 license says something along the lines of "This document may also be used for exercising those privileges which require a Class 2 medical" or something like that. As long as it says that, he can use it as if it were a Class 2 license, with all the same revalidation requirements. But if it doesn't say that, it needs to be renewed every year.

FFF
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[donder10]

Hi,
can somebody advise me please of how much the test for the medical certificate costs and where in the London region I can do it as I am planning to do it before I begin training.
Cheers,Alex

[Number Cruncher]

£400

Conducted ONLY at CAA Gatwick.

[Hufty]

V. easy to get to - train to Gatport Airwick and there is a wee bus that takes you round to CAA house where you'll be prodded and poked for a considerable amount of time. All travel details will be given to you when you book.

[Craggenmore]

beware of the "bend over and gimme 2 deep coughs" trick!

:D :D :D

(sorry, couldn't resist)

[cedmondson]

If you can blag your local doctor into an ECG to take along. It'll cost you less!

[Future Pundit]

I wish I had joined BUPA before going for my Class 1. In the end it cost the best part of £1000 (and I did get it) to have extra tests by an 'approved' cardiologist.

I have since found out had I been in private healthcare, they would have paid because it was a referral.

[misterbonkers]

pay cash, guaranteed pass! :D

[Dean Johnston]

What a Joke

£400.00 for what. nothing that that your local AME cant do, rip-off Briton comes to mind. but then they do have a pretty glass building with lots of flowers and a cheap canteen and....... not much else, but hey this is flying and as 'Coldplay' say " nobody said it was easy ...no body said it would be this hard......... O take me back to start.

D.J.

Pleese excuse the spillinhg

[Canada Goose]

Could someone please tell me the telephone number of the medical office in Gatwick where we have to do our initial Class 1 medical ?

Thanks.
CG.:)

[Dean Johnston]

Tel No for Gatwick 01293 573700

Then wait about 3 days to get thru.

D.J.

[Canada Goose]

Cheers Dean.

Yep. Something tells me this is going to be all highly frustrating.

CG.

:rolleyes:

[CraigL]

Hi again, guys,

Today I'm posting on behalf of a friend of mine who has aspirations for a career as an ATCO.

The situation is that she has Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and also asthma. She may grow out of the epilepsy in the two years she has left on her degree course.

It is apparant from researching the situation that a JAA Class 1 Medical certificate is required for the sponsorship scheme that NATS offer. Is this across the board?

How strict is the medical? Would having epilepsy automatically rule out a career as an ATCO? If she grew out of the epilepsy would she still be ruled out?

Thanks for your help, folks.

-Craig.

[Hawk]

Hi craig
It might be worth while doing a search in medical and health forum, the topic may have come up before.

cheers
hawk

[WX Man]

I think it's possible to have mild epilepsy and pass the medical. The test (not sure if it's the same for pilot) is to sit you under a strobe with a load of wires sticking out of a cap attached to your head and the [inevidably attractive] nurse asks you to close your eyes. You lie there for 15 mins or so with the strobe flashing at various freqs, whilst the machine measures your brain activity.

The widely used (in ATC) Barco screens operate at about 70Hz, and the freq that can trigger epilepsy is about 7-10Hz.

[BlueGreen]

Hi All,

Quick question please:

When you go for your class one medical, how long is it until you know if you have passed or not? Do they tell you on the day?

Thanks,

BG

[spils]

I was told straight away and that my certificate would arrive within a few days. I think it was on the door mat within a week.
They do say that if there is a problem you will know straight away and probably have to go for further testing though.

[FlyingForFun]

I seem to recall being told that I hadn't failed - but they can't tell you that you've passed because there are blood tests that they don't have the results for yet? It was certainly implied on the day that it was very unlikely that I wouldn't have passed.

FFF
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[BlueGreen]

Great, thanks splis!

[CraigL]

Thanks a lot guys, my friend passes on her thanks.

-Craig.

[FLYEPPS]

Need to find a medical examiner in the US who can do the JAA Class 1 medical. Has any foreign pilots training here in the US gone to anyone who has does this?
Currently hold a FAA Class 1 med and will be starting my fATPL written in December. Want to make sure that I can pass it before starting my studies.
Thanks
Pat

[minus273]

Hey there,

Well I may be wrong (I am sure that I will be corrected if I am) but I believe that the initial Class1 for JAA issue has to be done at Gatwick HQ. I think mine cost about 240GBP when I had it done.

The other thing to think about is that you will not need one till you start the flying, so if you are doing only the the exams at the moment you may as well wait till you start flying till bothering to get the medical.

Hope this helps sure more will be added by others more in the know than myself.

-273

[low'n'fast]

My initial JAA Class I medical at Gatwick this month is costing me £411.

[minus273]

I believe that as I am already an ICAO ATPL holder and hold an ICAO Class1 Medical, I get exemptions on the medical and so it was less money.

I think that was the reason.

-273

[QNH 1013]

Correct. If you have an ICAO commercial licence and current ICAO class 1 medical, i believe you will still have to go to Gatwick for your first UK (JAR) class 1 medical but it will be what they call an "extended renewal". This does cost considerably less than their initial class one (£411) because there is no EEG, and possibly a few other tests. However, the cost is still high by FAA standards. I had my initial class 1 at Gatwick in September (£411) and a chap with an ICAO class 1 medical certificate was having his "extended renewal" at the same time. I think he paid between £200 and £300, but I can't remember the exact figure.
Thereafter, in the UK the JAR class one renewals can be done by any Aviation Medical Examiner and they are dotted around the country. Typical class 1 renewal costs are £100 to £150 I believe.

[floppyjock]

I took my FAA Class 1 with me when I had my Class 1 medical at Gatwick in September and got a £165 refund.

Floppy :D

[autosync]

Mark S Reubin In Ormand Beach Florida is a JAA approved docter.

[BillieBob]

But, as has been explained above, he cannot do a JAA Class 1 initial. That can be done only at Gatwick and only for an obscene amount of money.

[too_sleepy]

Hi

Recently passed my PPL skills test and am about to send my documents to the CAA for my PPL license.
I need to send my medical cert, so I can just do a Class 2 medical here in Ireland. But next month I begin an ATPL distance course for which I need a Class 1 medical to begin.
Does anyone know if the Irish Class 1 medical will be sufficient?

Thanks

[Jinkster]

too_sleepy,

I would call the CAA SRG if I was you.

Web address will give phone number -

http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/default.asp

Jinkster

[RichardH]

Assuming you are doing a JAA ATPL then your Class One medical MUST be issued by a JAA state.

All initial Class Ones issued in the UK must be done at CAA HQ at Gatwick costs £450 ish. Though this would then be valid in any JAA state.

You don't actually need a Class One medical to actually start the theory for the ATPL though I wouldn't recommend this.

Anybody even contemplating a commercial licence should start off by going for the Class One - without it you shall not be a commercial pilot.

[Prophead]

How long does the Class 1 last?

I take it you dont have to pay £450 every year......:confused:

[My names Turkish]

Too_Sleepy I was in pretty much your situation recently. The Caa will accept an Irish Medical, but you have to do more than just send the Cert across. You must have your full medical report faxed across, and not just your cert. You will have to ask the nice people in the Matter to do this for you, to the best of my knowledge they will not hand it over to you. I would have though that just seeing your cert would be enough for the CAA, the Irish medical being JAA, but I suppose integration hasnt got as far as it should have...

The Initials are not cheap, I dont know what the exact price is in Dublin, if you call the Matter switch, and ask to get put through to the Aeromedical department they will let you know. They dont work a full week, I think they are off Mon and Tues, but they are always very prompt to respond if you leave a voicemail. I seem to remember the last time I renewed in Dublin was about 120 odd Euro.

I cant recomend strongly enough that you get a Class 1 medical Before you start your ATPL training. Plenty of people are refused a class 1, so better to spend the money before you start training. In fact I came close enough to not getting my Initial. It would be an absolute nightmare to get as far as CPL level and then be refused a medical.

The Class One lasts 1 year, until you reach the age of 40 then you must do it every 6 months.

[TSandPSintheGREEN]

Hi.. I'm in that twilight zone betwixt ending the PPL and starting the ATPL ground studies. Have had the Class 2 Medical 4 months ago, no problems (ECG etc etc), Now wondering whether to pay £416 for the Class 1 now while I sequester myself like a troglodyte doing the studying, only to pay it again in a years' time when I finally start the CPL, or, to take a calculated risk and do it later. I believe most fails are on eyesight... Well I have -0.75 and -1.25 so thats OK (Max <=5/-5 now). Any comments anybody?

[bad credit]

I would do the class one medical.

You dont want the "what if" question in the back of your mind whilst studying for the ATPL exams.

I was one of fourteen people on my ATPL groundschool, and everyone had a class one.

In the grand scheme of things £400 odd quid is not a great deal of money. The medical is the only thing you have no control over.

The choice is yours.........

Best of luck with your training!

[FlyingForFun]

A agree with Bad Credit - do it now. (It doesn't cost £416 to renew it, in any case - it only costs that much for the initial.)

You quote your eyesight figures. I also have ok eyesight (I wear glasses to fly because I'm more comfortable with them on, but my eyesight is good enough that my medical doesn't require me to wear glasses). But despite this, the doctor found a scratch on the back of my eye which very nearly stopped me from getting the class 1. Turned out it was probably caused by me breaking a decoration on a Christmas tree when I was about 3 or 4 years old. I'd completely forgotten about the whole incident until two years ago.... So you never know.....

(The scratch was just outside the critical area, the doctor told me - a fraction of an inch further over and he'd have had to fail me.)

FFF
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[mazzy1026]

I'm a big worrier when it comes to the eyesight regs as I am just outside them - but am gonna give it a try anyway.

While we are on the subject - if I take contact lenses to the medical only (no glasses) can I wear glassess when I fly or am I limited to contact lenses - seeing that I only took the contacts to the test?

Regards

Maz

[no sponsor]

Mazzy,

You are allowed to wear contact lenses on the flight-deck, but you are required by law to have a spare pair of spectacles with you in your flight bag that also correct your vision.

[mazzy1026]

Thanks no sponsor - but can I take the medical without the glasses and be ok to use them for flight?

Sounds silly I know but I have reasons......

Maz :ok:

[no sponsor]

You have to take your contact lenses with you to the medical, along with a report from your optician, there is no statement regarding taking your glasses with you. However, they will be able to explain this to you when you book the appointment: +44 (0)1293 573700, select option 1, then option 1 again for appointments.

You can find the details at:

http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/med/default.asp?page=526

Good luck.

[mazzy1026]

Cheers mate - will do - and when I have done it I will post back for the benefit of others.

Regards

Maz

[EXPO]

Hi All,

Dont know if this is posted in the correct area, however i just want to try and find out roughly the CAA Medical both Class 1 and 2 Costs???

Kind Regs

Expo

[Capt BK]

Would probably be better in Medical & Health but here goes,

I seem to remember my Class 2 cost me approx. £130ish about 4 years ago. My initial Class 1 medical (Which has to be done at Gatwick of course) Weighed in at the slightly manic £400 but that was 3 years ago now so may have gone up. My Class 1 renewals cost £100.

Hope this helps

CBK

[EGAC_Ramper]

From what I know currently last years Class 2 cost me £150 while the Class 1 costs £475!!!

Regards

[mazzy1026]

At Gatwick the class 1 initial is £411

The class 2 can vary between AME's

[EXPO]

Thanks guys that has answered my question well. I had an idea that it would cost roughly around that respectfull of the class of medical.

Expo

[London Girl]

I've just been to Gatwick and the current cost of the Class 1 medical is £422.

My Class 2 last year cost me £130.

Hope this helps!

[ABO944]

Sorry to barge in .....

Anyone know how much a Class 1 renwal at Gatwick costs??

Need to do one there as im transfering my medical cert from another country!!??

Are they more at Gatwick than at an AME's surgery? Must be by the look of the motors parked out the front of Aviation House!!:O

[Fuel Crossfeed]

Had my class 1 renewed last week at a cost of £120.00p
Depends on what needs doing.
There are certain test on the initial class1 that are then only checked every 2nd or 5th year - dependant on your age.

[VIRGA]

That is amazingly extortionate.

How the hell is that justified????

I'd like to see the cost breakdown and reasoning for it.

Consider that the class 1 renewal is $100AUD in Australia and that initial issue is in the area of about $450AUD. Strange how the numbers are the same but the value is completely different. :mad:

[mazzy1026]

I guess its to cover the cost of all the detailed examinations they do on you, or perhaps its so that they can all have fat pay packets at the end of the month hmmm the latter seems more of a reason! :mad:

[Jimmy89]

Hello everyone,

I have something to ask everyone regarding to the Class 1 Medical Certificate. Everytime I listen to things with my right ear, it always feels like something is "tickling" it (inside). After a while it goes away, I can hear fine and perfect I'm pretty sure except there's a tickle in my ear for a few minutes, I can hear fine with the tickling but it's getting annoying. Does anyone know if this will affect the Class 1 Medical Certificate? I am currently 14yrs old. Any comments appreciated. Thanks for your time

Jimmy

[Squak2002]

Hello,

I think the first thing you should do is get down to the doctor straight away regardless of the Class 1!! It could prove to be something serious and that may cause serious problems in later life. As your quite young now, it would be wise to get it checked and hopefully get it cured as soon as possible.

The ear is an extremely sensitive part of the human body and it needs to be in tiptop condition to get the Class 1 issued. Best of luck and keep us posted!

Cheers,
John

[Jimmy89]

Dear Squak,

Thank you, I would've waited till I actually got tested for the Class 1! I'm going to book an appointment now for tomorrow and get it checked. Hopefully no problems, when I come back with the good results :-) I will write again. Thanks for now Squak!

Jimmy

[Jimmy89]

Went to the doctor today. He said I have no problems with my ear but it would be safer to see an ear specialist. I'm starting to worry :-( Hopefully it'll be alright. I'll post again after I've visited the Hearing Centre!

Jimmy

[AIRWAY]

g'day Jimmy,

You could consider your doctors judgment has pretty safe one, but still see that specialist, just in case...

Keep us posted.

All the best
:ok:

[Squak2002]

Best of luck with the Specialist and keep us posted!!

[too_sleepy]

Hi
I have heard of somehting like this before, the guy just got his ear drained using a syringe and he was fine. Hopefully it's as simple as that.

[Jimmy89]

Went to the specialist today and did not do any tests or anything. He just asked me what's wrong, I told him and he told me to do this often: hold my nose and blow. This is probably the same thing as too_sleepy has said instead maybe using a syringe is easier. But he told me if it doesn't work then go back to him. So hopefully I'm ok. Thanks guys

Jimmy

[boeingbus2002]

Ahhhhhh Valsalva!!
:ok:

[fireflybob]

A word of caution with the "Valsalva" manoevre - don't blow too hard - I did once in 1980 and managed to perforate an ear drum and spent the next 3 months on the ground!

I rarely "pinch and blow" now and if I do so I do it real gently. Nature's way of protecting the inside of the ear is to make it more difficult to allow air in, compared to out, to avoid introducing infection etc.

On the odd occasions where I have not been able to clear ears on descent I have always found that they will (eventually) clear of their own accord.

Good luck with the Class I Med.

[too_sleepy]

Excellent news.

I know I mentioned the Syringe job a friend once had done, but he was told not to get it done often. It wouldn't be recommended as a regular way of cleaning those inner canals.
I use Audiclean from Boots and it works great:
http://www.boots.com/shop/product_details.jsp?productid=1040289

Good luck with your medical.

[Jimmy89]

Hey everyone,

Thanks for the replies regarding my ear :-) (which really has nothing to do with you all and you still reply! So I'm really happy that you guys take notice of me!) ;-) Thanks alot.

Too_Sleepy, in my case would using "Audiclean" help me with my problem? Thanks!

Jimmy

[Squak2002]

Hey,

That's really good news, so all you have to worry about now is the flying!!!!!! :p :O :p

Safe Landings,
John

[Tango49]

For those who are… er… “still thinking about it”, I thought I’d share with you what my initial Class 1 Medical comprised of a couple of weeks ago.

I arrived at the grey-and-glass building (Gatwick) just before 8:00 am, signed in, and was told to sit in the FCL waiting area – right under a red sign telling me that all medical applicants should wait in the main atrium! At 08:40 I was shown to the medical area on the other side of the atrium where I was invited to go to the changing area, take off just my shirt and put on a white robe. Suitably bedecked, I made the first of many associations with the waiting-couch just behind the medical reception area. Wondering what was going to happen first, I whiled away the time listening to the administrators’ all important gossip on the previous night’s telly, etc. Finally, at about 08:50 I was approached by an enthusiastic Optometrist who took me to his testing den. The events then unfolded thus: -

1) Eye test with and without my glasses. The man congratulated Boots for prescribing the correct lenses for me. He told me my eyes were good enough for a Class 1 but only with my glasses (mild prescription). Then back to the couch.
2) Next up, a nice young lady measured my height and weight and then gave me a prick in my finger (must be a joke in here somewhere) to draw a small blob of blood for checking iron-content and cholesterol levels. This was followed by a urine sample which I placed into the requisite hole in the wall, never to be seen or heard of again. Then it was a red-faced lung capacity test, three times. All OK and straight to the next test room.
3) Into a sound-proof booth with headphones on to listen and nod to a range of really quiet sounds. Then off with the cans, out of the booth and a sound probe pushed into one ear at a time. This measured the bounce-back frequencies of sounds injected into my lug-holes; no bull****ting here – my opinion was superfluous as the kit found out for itself if my eardrums were capable of wobbling in sympathy. OK’d and back to the couch.
4) Next room and on to a doctor’s couch for a 21-point resting ECG to check that the ticker was still beating. OK’d and back to you-know-where.
5) Then it was time for the mysterious EEG. Nothing to worry about here as a really pleasant granny scratched clearings in my Barnet, glued 14 electrodes to my scalp and clamped my wrists with heart-monitoring sensors. I was then told that “we” were going to look for my brain’s alpha waves, produced whilst conscious but with eyes closed. This would seek out any pesky tendencies towards stress-induced epilepsy. I risked joking about whether this test could also detect any sense of humour but the absolute silence suggested that the highest contempt was the only appropriate response to such childishness. Having nearly nodded off to the oh-so-soothing repetitions of “slow breathing, eyes open, eyes closed” instructions, we moved onto 3 minutes of deep, fast breathing to create hyperventilation then to rest, and then… WOW! Disco-time! Stroboscopic psychedelic patterns were blasted straight through my eyeballs into the cranium to see if my grey-matter could make alphas at the same rate. Everything seemed OK with apparently text book perfect results. Back to the couch.
6) Next on the agenda was The Doctor who measured my blood-pressure, looked at my palms and pushed me around a bit to see if I could stay balanced on my feet. Then it was down to underpants and onto the couch for some rigorous stomach kneading and a quick look at the plums for testicular peculiarities. Then round to the dark room for a chest x-ray… twice. The first one didn’t work (nothing to do with me having no chest). All checked out OK. At this point, Sir said he would be issuing a Class 1 certificate but best to wait to get the paper in my hands before committing money to theory courses. Wot, no finger-up-the-bum prostate gland searching/feeling? I was anxious to check that he didn’t have both hands on my shoulders at the time. And no blood-taking? And not back to the couch? I felt cheated.

Four hours after kick-off, I was in the lift to the CAA canteen. The whole medical testing having taken about 2½ hours in total to complete; the rest of the time was spent waiting. But then the £422 had to be justified somehow. The medical was done Monday morning and the certificate arrived a week on Wednesday, i.e. 9 days later via 2nd class post!

Now the hard work really kicks in. Good luck to all you fellow gonnabies – go for it!

Tango49

[TheJaywalker]

Tango49

Many thanks for the info. Got mine booked for 13th July.

[oxide]

wow ... one helluva ride just reading that one .. lol .. freaked out at just having to get mine soon. :uhoh:


Anyways, would just like to ask.. what is the validity preiod of a Class1 medical ?

[parris50]

A year if you are under 40.

6 months if over.

[BEagle]

But you don't have the entire thing every 6 months, just fill out the form, pee into a bottle, have the ECG, height, weight and BP from a nurse, then off to the quack for confirmation of the eye test (it's invariably AECONHTL!), the usual groping and poking, end of finger prick, part with about £180 and that's it. Every so often you have to huff and puff into the tube thingie or listen to inaudible beeps, but not every time!

[Blinkz]

good post. I've got my class 1 initial medical on monday, however I'm doing mine in Germany at Cologne, I assume it will be along the same lines.

I hope I have the same result too! :)

[eyuppp]

Heehee:p

Yup, the pretty much sums it up

[cliste]

Hi Guys,

I just completed my Class 1 Medical in Madrid I started at 08:30 and finished at 14:30.

It cost €330 and wow what an experience, they checked everything and I mean everything all the usual as in Gatwick plus personality, aptitude, etc. I did not know what to expect but very suprised how detailed it was.

I'm off to start an integrated course in Aeromadrid this October !
can't wait !!

Cliste

[Half a Mexican]

€330!
That works out at around £220.
Doing the exact same thing in the UK would cost £422! :suspect:

Does anyone know if there would be any disadvantages in doing the medical in Spain (Or another JAA state) and then doing the re-validation in UK to convert the medical to the UK?

Cheers,
HaM

[G SXTY]

At my initial Class 1, I sat in the waiting area next to a really nice young guy, who told me all about how his life’s ambition was to be an airline pilot. His only worry was that his vision might be a bit marginal.

Sure enough, he failed on his eyesight and left the building with commiserations, a class 2 medical, and a £400 hole in his wallet.

Do yourself a big favour; print the class 1 eyesight requirements off the CAA website, take them to an optician and get a £10 eye test. You will then have a pretty good idea whether your eyesight is up to scratch – if there is any doubt, I believe you can discuss your prescription with the CAA’s medical section before applying for the medical. It’s got to be better than forking out hundreds of pounds and crossing your fingers.

[ffynonhoudini]

sounds ok for the boys !

but what about us girls - anyone had there class 1? i hopefully going once once the old a level results are known so prob be sept ish when i go for mine !

obviously i dont have any 'plums' as its was described lol - so is there much difference for us girls ?(although i guess i have to admit to being a 'plum' inspector myself when i get the chance ! lol ;) :E

[BIG MISTER]

ffynonhoudini

I've just come over all funny :O

I think I need to sit down and compose myself ! ! !

:}

[London Girl]

ffynonhoudini

exactly the same apart from the plum exam obviously! you will have a breast examiniation instead - I think they usually use a female doctor but mine was with a male doctor and female chaperone.

nothing to worry about! good luck

[ffynonhoudini]

id hate to have a male doc do that to me ! so no internal then ?

[BIG MISTER]

Never a nice thing.

I had a Government Medical last year and the Doctor turned out to be a mate of mine......very odd feeling !

Not too sure who was the most uncomfortable ! ! !

I'm sure the CAA would give you a girlie Doctor if you asked them far enough in advance wouldnt they ?

[englishal]

Sounds just like the class 2 initial, except with the brainwave bit, and chest X ray......

Still can't help but crack up laughing when the doc kneeds my liver / kidneys / organs....as I explained to him, I'm hellofa ticklish (still, you don't fail for being ticklish:} )

(Does feel very un-natural having a bloke feel your plums though, give me a girly doc for that any day, though Blood pressure could be an issue then :O )

[London Girl]

Definitely no internal for a girl's Class 1!

They did ask me if I was comfortable with the male doctor doing the breast exam, but there wasn't any alternative so I had to go with it! I am sure they could organise a female doctor to see you if you ask in advance.

PM me if you have any more queries!

[BIG MISTER]

I was going to go for a Class 1 medical but then I was told that the scales dont go up that high !

I suppose I could get a print out from a Ministry of Transport weight bridge !!!!

:} :} :}

[steamchicken]

What's the purpose of the bollock check? (Apart from charitable testicular cancer screening)

Beags, it's good to see they'll find out if you sneak off to have your legs lengthened between medicals - that height check. Sneaky...

[Blinkz]

Just an update on my previous post in this thread. I passed my german class1! Nice to know that my dream can start moving forward, althought I now have to transfer this medical to the UK. does anyone have any info on this? The CAA website is abit vague! Do I need to have a licence? Who has to fill in the form (AMC? AME?:confused: ) Any advice welcome!

Blinkz :D

[Pilot16]

Recently I have practically inundated the Medical Forum with my posts!

I have had some difficulties in obtaining the Class 1 with the CAA then with the IAA. Now it appears that I am getting somewhere.

I am told by the IAA that my right eye best corrected is 6/9.

Now if I fulfill my dream to becomming a pilot, any minute deterioration from 6/9 will result in my medical being taken away and me grounded from earning a living.

This is a risk to take and I am very worried since I am still to spend thousands of pounds in training.

Anyone else in my boat?

[Pilot16]

I guess every one here has 20/20 vision in both eyes apart from me!...

[skyman68]

i have 20/20.soi am not i the same boat
is there any insurance company who could insure you. i know pilots who are covered in case of license lost. it is expensive,but in your case you should check this"problem".

[Blinkz]

pilot16,
As your probably aware from my high post count in the medical forum I have had trouble getting a class 1, althought for a different reason (colour vision) I'm pretty sure that once I get it sorted colourvision shouldn't be a problem again as once you have passed thats it. Unless the airlines hold it in a poor light, hopefully they will accept a class 1.

I know what you mean about worrying about losing your medical. You just have to decide if you want to take the risk. My vision has to be corrected, but it falls well within the limts, I've got 6/4 with both eyes and 6/5 seperatly with -1.75 and -2.25. It could get worse, I don't know. It just one of the many things that *could* happen.

Anything could happen in your career, and we can't just go second guessing all the bad things. If we did then we would never leave the house (and we'd see the house as a very dangerous place!) Your the only one who can tell yourself what flying means to you. Personally I would do anything for it, just because I love it.

Do you have a stable presciption for your glasses? How old are you? Talk to your optician and I'm sure they will help you as much as you can.

Good luck!

[Bealzebub]

Without getting into the specifics of your case which I have no authority to comment upon, there clearly are many specified minimums to achieve the required standards.

As dissapointing as it might be, they are set not only to stop you wasting time and money, but also to protect the potential employers who would also stand to lose their investment. Of course you cannot guarantee that any fit individual will still be so tommorow, but there has to be a degree of probability and common sense applied. The limits set would normally allow for the usual wear and tear, in other words the deterioration that the onset of advancing age would normally result in. The limits are therefore either age dependant or applied at a sensible mean level to cover a range of ages.

There are many posts on PPRuNe that discuss eyesight and other issues in depth and it is well reported that the authority often takes a pragmatic and helpful approach to these issues. You should however be aware that not everybody will satisfy the standards and that is just a fact of life however unfortunate that may be.

Good luck.

[Pilot16]

Thanks skyman and Blinkz

Blinkz, you have good corrected visual acuity.
Are you still fighting for the class one? Isnt there any methods of regaining full colour vision? How are you persuading the CAA for the Class 1?

Im 18 years old.

my prescription: RE VA 6/9 Spherical: +1.5D Cyl: 0.25D Axis: 180
LE VA 6/6 Spherical: 0D Cyl: 0.25D Axis: 180

the prescription is mild. The worry is that best correctad Right eye VA is 6/9 it does not improve to 6/6. A mild case of amblyopia, depth perception is good.

Like your self I love flying and will do anything for it. Infact, although I dont have the medical in hand yet, I have made the application for the ATPL course with the non-refundable deposit...all with high hopes for the medical to be granted (its been refused before)

Thanks for your highly valuable advise and encouragement.

P16

Just missed Bealzebub\'s reply. Would I be correct to assume you are already a pilot and in the game?

[geraldn]

hi all , i finally finished off my PPL and am in a rush to continue with my training. My question is whether one needs a class one medical to do the ATPL'S and if so if a JAA maltese one is accepted.

thank you all for your time

[birdlady]

Hi

Im afraid you do need a class one medical. Where ever you want to fly you have to have a medical from that particular country. ie if you want to fly in the UK you have to obtain your medical in the UK. I know its JAA and supposed to be recognised everywhere but each JAA member has different requirements for the medical.

Hope this helps
Ciao Bl

[willby]

Hi
If you intend to train in a CAA approved fto then check with the CAA and Maltese authorities if there is mutual recognition.
I know for example that the CAA will recognise a Class 1 obtained in Ireland.
It has to be converted of coursre and there is a fee as usual for this service.
Willby

[geraldn]

thank you all for your replies ,but i finally settled the issue when i visited my local AME.
cheers

[fonz77]

I will be doing my initial class 1 medical in the Matter soon and have a concern about a health issue. I have mild asthma, I have to use an inhaler somtimes, maybe once a week.
Started to get fit and this is helping bigtime. I will come clean at the medical and will def tell them about it, but was wondering could this mean I could fail the IAA medical.
I realise this has been covered before but would like to know if any one who has done the Irish medical with similar circumstances.

[tu154]

Been through the same issue. The IAA medical examiner has become quite strict on this. I understand I passed the medical according to the mater, but the IAA were not happy. What I had to do, and what you may have to is: get your GP to refer you to a consultant respiratory (sp?) physician and have him give an opinion on whether your asthma is well controlled or not. He will examine you and you'll have to schedule a spirometry test for him to review.
Using the inhaler once a week means you should have no problem passing, you may just have an extra hoop to jump through.
It may also be worth your while doing this in advance, being able to produce the report and having it included in your file when sent to the IAA may save some time.
Of course this cost 50 for my GP, and about another 300 I think for a consultants visit and his interpretation of the test, on top of the medical, but if it means you pass, well there's no price on that.
Good luck.

edited because i can't spell while drunk.

[birdlady]

Fonz

You might want to try this website.

www.flyinginireland.com

:ok: :ok:

[fonz77]

Cheers for the replies.
First time I start a post and i get great info, thanks a million.
TU154, will def go to GP before the med. BTW was wondering how I got a reply at that time, i was at work but Im guessing you were out, lucky ******
Birlady, checking the site as we speak.
Thanks

[My names Turkish]

Fonz 77, Check your Private Messages.