717 needs a new donk and other shenanigans!

[boeingwest]

My my Nat Jet are having some dramas with the 717 lately. 1 in Cairns (NXB) needs a new donk, RR and Boeing tests to come, and the old (IMD) I think its now (NXI) is missing one engine in perth and basically is being 'rebuilt', 1 option is it should be ditched off fremantle its in that good of shape. Which F*&^%N idiot at Qantas made the decision to send Nat Jet the oldest (except for 2) 717s but yet there are 4 of the newest jets in Brisbane sitting there doing nothing? And don't even mention the spare parts issues, 8 days for an engine replacement apparently! In perth the old 146 (in national jet colours) have been forced to do qantaslink flights as flights have simply been cancelled thanks to the reliability of our new toy. :yuk:

[Sunfish]

I would like to respectfully suggest that there are a zillion possible reasons why this decision was made, not all of which would be stupid ones made by a "F*&^%N idiot". Availability of rotable spares, internal configuration and maintenance schedules come immediately to mind.

[airbusthreetwenty]

Could that be the old JQ 717 IMD that was kept in Sydney as a spare aircraft??

I know of a few times that JQ had downgraded A320 flights to the 717 because of a 320 going U/S. Only to have IMD go U/S after a return sector.

:D:ok:

[Capn Bloggs]

I think its now (NXI) is missing one engine in perth and basically is being 'rebuilt', 1 option is it should be ditched off fremantle its in that good of shape.
That'd be the one that has been flying around happily for over two weeks would it (apart from a breakdown caused by a dud bit from another aircraft)?

there are 4 of the newest jets in Brisbane sitting there doing nothing?
Why don't you ask the owners of the aeroplanes? There are probably good reasons why they were not given to NJS, it's just you don't know what they are.

[wallabyblue]

I agree with Boeingwest our B717 operation is fast becoming a debacle and giving NJS a really bad name . Even the 146 was more reliable !!!!!!! with all the BHP work coming up for grabs it could not hapen at a worse time. fingers crossed we can get this sorted quick time

[planemad2]

Boeing should have stayed with good old JT8Ds. ;)

[cunninglinguist]

mustv been doing 1 engine ferries Bloggs :}

Boeing, I reckon the %$#@# idiot is at NJs and said something like " yeh, we'll take the oldest, cheapest to lease ones, thats our specialty " :confused:

Still, the competition in the West must be rubbing their hands together :{

[OffBlocks]

And in today's news NXB after some time being trouble shot in PER with a technical issue was ferried to CNS for further trouble shooting when alas was decided to be ferried back to PER only to land in Alice for a Tech crew change and hasn't left since. On advice from some most unhappy engineers in Alice the aircraft was moved well out of the way due to the possibility of it being there for quite some time.:(

[MarkD]

planemad

Those MD-80s in Japan didn't have such great JT8Ds as I recall. Maybe Boeing should have put V2500s on the 717s as with the MD-90 but I guess RR/BMW really wanted to sell some BR700s and offered a very good deal.

[Led Zep]

Why not RR Tays?
Makes an F100 sound a lot bigger than it is. Guess they must've gotten a good deal with RR/BMW for those 715s as you say MarkD.

Any surplus Ansett Speys kicking about? BOOOOOOOM. :E :ok:

[Going Boeing]

When Boeing selected the BR715 powerplant for the B717, all the industry "experts" raved about how good the BR700 series engines were:- in particular "state of the art" tecnology in the hot section, advanced fuel management and very low specific fuel consumption.

From the comments expressed in this thread, i guess that the industry "experts" didn't know what they were talking about.

[Capn Bloggs]

GB,

I wouldn't count the above as "experts" on said donk. This is a bullsh1t network, after all. And the 715 sure as hell doesn't konk out in rain like the 737 hairdryers have been known to, the both of them at the same time, on more than one occasion.

The only problem with the 715 is they didn't put an afterburner on it! :}

[Kransky]

Boeingwest, age of an aeroplane has nothing to do with dispatch reliability.

There are still DC-3's in service.

Maybe something more to do with the rotables etc that Sunfish talks about being in Newcastle.

Take out your atlas of Australia. Find Perth WA. Place five red dots there. Draw several dashed lines to places north such as NWN, PHE, KTA. Find Cairns QLD. Place one red dot there. Draw a line across the country to Perth going over ASP and AYE. Find Darwin NT. Place two red dots there. Draw one line down to ASP connecting it to the one ASP-PER, and add another line DRW-GOV-CNS.
:ok:
Then take an orange pen and draw five squares around Newcastle, representing the $50 million in spares and rotables that Jetstar held there to support 14 seven-seventeens. Fill in one square with your blue texta, representing the $10 million in spares and rotables that Qantas has said is plenty for NatJet to support 8 seven-seventeens.
:rolleyes:
Finally sit back and look at your colourful diagram. Note the location and size of the spares inventory with relation to the NatJet seven-seventeen routes and engineering bases.
:ouch:
Bloody hell, not even the Lada dealer and service network looked like that!!

[Hugh Jarse]

The only problem with the 715 is they didn't put an afterburner on it! :}

Yeah Bloggs, but "Smoke On.....GO!!";) Looks spectacular, and fitted standard. Those canny Germans.:ok:

[Mobi LAME]

It's true that the 717 doesn't like sitting on the ground for days on end, they do come back from a rest being a bit cranky. Once you start putting the hours on them they go very well from an engineering viewpoint. Having a licence on the 717 and the Quadrapuff I know what I'd work on anytime. You're never bored when a 146 is on the ground and that was pretty often. I think the oldest 717 was VQB or VQC. One was a test a/c for McD. If NJS has insufficent spares to support the a/c that's their problem. I think some Newcastle people are over in ADL helping with some checks at present. That may help improve relations with NJS after they tried to stitch up a Newy LAME just after they got them.

[RENURPP]

If NJS has insufficent spares to support the a/c that's their problem.
Its not THEIR problem its QF's problem.
their aircraft their spares and their passengers being inconvenienced and their money paying for it
That may help improve relations with NJS after they tried to stitch up a Newy LAME just after they got them.
Not the story i heard but who do you believe?

[planemad2]

planemad
Those MD-80s in Japan didn't have such great JT8Ds as I recall. Maybe Boeing should have put V2500s on the 717s as with the MD-90 but I guess RR/BMW really wanted to sell some BR700s and offered a very good deal.

Don't know about Japan, the ones in OZ were okay. :ok:

[shocka]

717 = DC 9 with a hot cam & 20 thou off the head right :)

The engine change time record for the DC 9 (JT8D- 7A) was 2 hours including run up (chock to chock).

Given enough QEC's..........where's the problem ? :O :O :O :O

[MarkD]

took me a while to find this:

20 JAN 2004 JAS grounds 12 jets with engine cracks
Japan Air System (JAS) found engine cracks on twelve out of the sixteen MD-81/87 planes checked thus far. In total, 13 Pratt & Whitney JT8D-217 engines out of 29 checked had cracks, JAS said. Three planes that were found with one faulty engine, and thus subject to grounding anyway, did not have the other engine checked in the interests of saving time. (AFP)

[cunninglinguist]

Renurrp,
from what the boys tell me it would seem that QF don't give a flying F%$# about the pax or the operation for that matter, a conspiracy theorist would almost go as far as to say that QF want to see it fail :yuk:

f all spares, engineers, pilots, etc.

[cunninglinguist]

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[OhForSure]

Kransky makes a very good point.

My question though is where are the remaining 6 717s going? Does anybody reckon JetConnect has a look in??? 9 737s to be replaced by JQ 320s across the ditch and 6 717 for domestic runs. Seems to make sense... although that is complete and utter conjecture on my part.

Anyone in the know???

[wallabyblue]

no one wants the remaining B717's, the remaining B733's will come out of NZ and the 717s will go to NZ.... bet ya house on it...

[Capn Bloggs]

Cunning,

Still on those bitter-and-twisted pills, I see. You really should try Bex.

[Going Boeing]

no one wants the remaining B717's, the remaining B733's will come out of NZ and the 717s will go to NZ.... bet ya house on it...

Actually, some B734's will be transferred from QF mainline to Jet Connect to replace the B733's that are being converted to freighters. More B738's are being ordered to maintain Mainline B737 fleet at 51 aircraft.

Gerry leased 8 B717's for Impulse on 5 year leases (now renewed for another 5 years) and when QF bought them they found that they could operate 6 more aircraft with no increase in spares and engineering cost so they obtained 6 more on the same 5 year leases. If QF have no requirement for these aircraft then they will simply be returned when the leases are up (soon).

[F/O Bloggs]

I hope you're not in the property market wallaby.

Why should NZ get the 717s? Methinks NJS would have to be in a strong posn to get them. After all, at least NJS has them on an AOC and have a training system in place. I dont see the cost savings to Qantas in giving them to NZ.


:)


Ps

Cunning, relax. It is good to see you have so much love for your previous company. Spend some time spreading the rot about your current employer please and leave mine alone.

[vh_ajm]

Good news is, both NXB and NXI are now serviceable and flying well (so far). All link services tomorrow should be per normal.

[MIss Behaviour]

NXI 8 hours late leaving DRW for GOV & CNS 05May. It's just never ending.
No wonder NT Govt has told staff not to take 1945 to ASP but get the mainline flight the day before and stay overnight in a hotel.

[rescue 1]

Though the B717 would no doubt do well in NZ, the start up cost would preclude them going over.

Remember that QF use AirNZ for engineering, so QF would need to set up their own or alternatively pay hefty amounts to AirNZ to both train the engineers and carry a spares compliment.

I don't imagine you would see the return on investment fast enough to make them worthwhile...

[Hawk777]

I thought it was mentioned a while back that the rest of the 717's would be going to Perth to replace all 737 flying within W.A. That is, instead of having 2 x 146 (Qlink) and 2 x 737 (Mainline) flights a day there would be just 4 x 717 flights a day to places like PPD, PKA, BRM etc

[cunninglinguist]

Bloggs ( both of you ) still orbiting the earth in la la land I see, maybe I need to find out who you guys are and talk to the only ones currently in NJS that are happy, content and see a great future.

PS. My last post bagged QF not your pathetic GA outfit ( Sincere apologies to the decent GA operators out there ).

FO bloggs, can't bag my own outfit. they're not too bad, BTW hows the command prospects looking :hmm:

[Capt Claret]

Miss Behaviour,

Obviously the Gummint hasn't told the Chief Minister, who was on my 717 service last night from ASP-DRW.

She didn't think my landing was too good though. :\

[ITCZ]

a conspiracy theorist would almost go as far as to say that QF want to see it fail

Cunning, that might have been the smartest anyone has said yet in this thread.

Little companies deal with competitors. Big companies control competitors.

Lets say you are QF and you don't really need a low-ish cost regional carrier thats been around since the nineties... you have a super-low cost carrier now.

What would you do?

[boeingwest]

She didn't think my landing was too good though. :\

I saw here on tv last night with a neck brace on... is captain clare ok??? Now... eyes up GG!

:} :} :} :}

[F/O Bloggs]

Cunn,

Just who do you work for?

I have held commands in my time, thankyou.

I can wait. I know not to model myself on your example though.You must be wonderful to sit next to for hours on end. :yuk:

I agree with you Rescue1.

[RENURPP]

That little black book and note taking used to really bug me.
Bloody rude really.
if you have some thing to say, simply say it!!

Who ever you work for. Good luck to them, they may need it!

[ITCZ]

That little black book and note taking used to really bug me.

[Sound of penny dropping] Aha!

I take back what I said about being smart.

If that is who you are CL, what is the point of rubbishing NJS in whatever they do?

Maybe you'd like to see them out of high cap RPT. Big deal. All the people that worked alongside you will lose their jobs. All the people that 'did you wrong' will keep theirs, maybe get a bonus.

Nice one.

[Capt Claret]

boeingwest

Are you sure you've got your pollies in order? Fay Miller, deputy leader of the opposition is sporting a neck brace, after a motor accident but Capt Clare isn't.

Capt Clare BTW is leader of the gummint, not a member of the opposition. :rolleyes:

[RENURPP]

CC, that is only a matter of time!

[Capt Claret]

RENURPP

What's your prediction then? Not for at least 6 years, possibly 10, would be my guess, before the CLP could possibly regain power.

[cunninglinguist]

I Know who you :mad:s are talking about and you could not be any further off base if you tried :{

I used to sit next to NP taking notes, though I did'nt have as much of a problem with him as some, maybe thats because I was an SOPs man ( take note bloggs ).

As far as who I work for, this is an anonymous forumn and I'm not about to give you any big clues like that :hmm:

ITCZ, take back whatever you like, I could give a toss, if NJS ever does go tits up I am sure the good people that work there will find another, much better job. A push might be just what they need, I know how hard it can be to get out of a rut.

[RENURPP]

OK sorry about that.

Take it all back

[F/O Bloggs]

Cunn..,

You are not prepared to reveal who you work for for, but on a continuum you are prepared to denigrate my comnpany.

That, in my opinion, is a cowardardly stance to take.

:yuk: :yuk:

[ITCZ]

That, in my opinion, is a cowardardly stance to take.


Its not cowardice, its just the normal bull that comes out on PPrune that would never be said face to face.

Take a grudge against an old company, keep it fresh by never moving on, add a bit of circular logic and a predisposition to tell other people what is good for them and... hey, here he is, spraying sh!te around and getting nasty when he is called to account by people that know the real story.

It would be more telling to know where mr linguist is these days, and how he deals with the inevitable day to day frustrations at work. My guess is he is the kind of guy that has plenty of suggestions for everyone else, but never takes a stand himself.

[MIss Behaviour]

Claret

Obviously the Gummint hasn't told the Chief Minister, who was on my 717 service last night from ASP-DRW. She didn't think my landing was too good though.

With all due respect the only reason you were able to to fly the Chief Minister was due to 'borrowing' the other 717 that was on the GOV & CNS flight as the original aircraft operating your flight to ASP & PER went U/S. ;)

[ITCZ]

Ouch!:ouch:
"Tits up" is the phrase, I believe! ;)

[Capn Bloggs]

"Tits up" when talking to Miss Behaviour? Naughty naughty.

[MIss Behaviour]

I will take tits up over tits down any day! :ok: :ok:

[cunninglinguist]

Bloggs, I think I've told you a million times, after 10 ( lonnnnnnnnnnng ) years and alot of friends that still work there I reckon I have a right to continue to bag them, what puzzles me is why you continue to support people that have only one interest in mind...their own:hmm:
If its any consolation I denegrated them plenty when I was still there :E
Any company with a management team like that surely is asking for it :confused:
Apart from the odd bit of rethoric Bloggs, I'm not bagging you, just the idiots you work for.

[Cravenmorehead]

Hey Cun whatever I worked for them once and reckon they are OK. your a looser.:ok:

[cunninglinguist]

Judging by your name, grammar, spelling, and complete lack of anything intelligent to say, I have a feeling you are the " Loser " , notgettingany :D
Back to kindy with you.................