JQ recruiting

[Lagrange]

Due to misbehaviour, Woomera ES closed down a very good thread just as a vital piece of information was posted by Unome. He alleged that he had had meet Miss JG and that she had told him

"JG (HR) acknowledged (over a few cheeky reds:rolleyes: ) that there are six main groups of ex-An types;


1. Those who "may" have passed stage 1 and thus, formulated the "mates" list. :suspect:
2. Those who "may" have failed, but were not on the "mates" list, hence rejected. :bored:
3. Those who passed QF induction, but not on the "mates" list, hence rejected. :8
4. Those who failed but were on the "mates" list, hence welcomed. ;)
5. Those who slipped in through Jetstar Asia without doing anything!!:E
6. Those who will never be given the chance of even doing stage 1.:( "

I have been told by another reliable source that all but one of the JQ management pilots did not meet the selection criteria or were exempted from having to undergo the testing.

Last evening I met with a solicitor colleague from a leading Melbourne Law firm (S&G) to discuss this information. He believes that action could be successfully mounted against JQ for discrimination in the selection process.

Let's not get into the gutter, however, if anyone has any reliable information please post it so we can prepare our next steps.

[Enema Bandit's Dad]

Why bother. You get paid more by going on social security.

[gas-chamber]

La Grange, I am not sure that you would have a case if the people were recruited to those positions before the QF selection criteria started to apply.
Also there would be nothing to stop an employer selecting those wanted for a reason, e.g. suitable check and training experience on a given type, a regulatory background, performance engineer, computer whizz etc. By virtue of the way some brains tick, some of these people probably would blow a standard psyche test.
And also, there is unlikely to be any law that prevents an employer from moving the goal posts according to the laws of supply and demand.
I am not defending Pornstar. Most companies seem to get set up in the beginning with jobs for the boys and girls who are on the inner circle, mates of mates etc. Virgin started very much like that, as did NJS.
Many years ago when Nopulse were just getting into the 717, I was offered a Check and Training job on the phone - no interview necessary. Turned it down because of the p!ss poor money and I still don't regret it. But it does show that companies often just want people they can get past CASA in a hurry, regardless of how well they will fit in with the rest of the team. Sad, but true.

[Howard Hughes]

Yaaawn, here we go again.

I think the numbers of ex-AN types and people wanting to return from overseas is grossly exagerated, if there are so many of them "where the bloody hell are they?" ;)

PS:apologies to the Australian tourism commission

[drshmoo]

Plenty of people in mainline, like the pilots who were absorbed from the original Australian Airlines have never sat a QF psych test and they can be found all the way through the system. With regard to pre psych test pornstar pilot recruitment, I doubt there would be a case. The goal posts have been moved after recruitment unless you guys/girls have info otherwise.

[COP]

I went for a JQ interview ages ago. I was put through the Qantas testing, sim ride and an interview all over two consecutive days. I previously flew jets for an Australian company that is no longer. Before the interview I met with some people in the JQ offices in Melbourne and was told by them that they did not do the testing at all. All they had was A320 type rating and experience. Fair enough they had more experience than me, but to be directly discriminated against is a joke. Also JetConnect people who actually fly Qantas aeroplanes and are representing Qantas in NZ were treated poorly. Approximately 14 people were offered psych tests and 2 were eventually accepted to buy another endorsement. This IS A JOKE. They operate on behalf of Qantas, fly Qantas aeroplanes and are treated like an extremely poor cousin. They recieve very little staff travel rights, that is thay must submit an application 10 days in advance of the date in which they wish to travel. People in Qantas and Jetstar can do it over the net 2 mins before the flight they wish to take. I do not have anything against those who bypassed the entire system, I would also if I could have, but this process is ridiculous. Some do it some dont. Start to either treat people fairly and equally, no matter good a mates you are with them. The JetConnect thing is particularly poor in terms of the treatment they recieved, I mean 1 weeks notice to pass the test, with no time off and no time to really do any effective study, ie a course in those psych tests, was it simply a token option that they better be seen to give there current employees a go, rather than be actually interested in employing already experienced jet pilots. People at JQ have left other jobs telling fibs as to why they are leaving, therefore effectively breaking bond periods and conditions and going to JQ without going through the process. It stinks.:mad:

[Ronnie Honker]

All they had was A320 type rating and experience.Get it right, COP
All they had was A320 type rating and experience in ANSETT.
It's no secret that the Jokestar flight department is almost entirely ex-AN pilots - most of whom joined in 1989.

[COP]

Of Course it was Ansett. It is still a joke:mad:

[cunninglinguist]

Here's a tip for getting an interview at Jet*..................................

DO NOT put on your resume " currently employed by NJS on B717 " :yuk:

COP, you reckon the jitconnict guys/gals have it tough, NJS guys/gals been flying Australian Airlines/Qantas A/C for 16 years and get absolutley jack****

[Casper]

COP & RH,

You're spot on. GD is in good company with the JQ drivers- they all think alike.

QF mainline drivers went their separate ways when they left the AFAP.

As ye sew, so shall ye reap.

[Sonny Hammond]

Casper, as I said elsewhere,

Back when you are talking about there was probably around 300-400 qf pilots.
Now there is 2400.

I'm in AIPA and I didn't leave the AFAP.

From what i've seen in my short 15 years as a professional pilot I wouldn't rate the AFAP as a good union. (nor AIPA for that matter, but I do hold some hope under the new leadership)

By the way, I use the term professional pilot loosely, it's obvious, that outside our own ranks, that no-one rates us as professionals anymore.

As ye sew, so shall ye reap.

Well, I think we are ALL about to suffer that one. Think it's just the mainline guys who will suffer?
It's every pilot flying commercially today. Merde flows downhill and just watch it flow.

The J* boys think they have kicked a match winner.
Pity, it is really a tournament loser.

[AnQrKa]

Ronnie and COP

You guys keep harping on the “experience gained at Ansett doesn’t constitute REAL experience” attitude like a broken record. I used to think that AN was a country hick town airline too, until I left Australia and ventured into the outside world of aviation. Having worked for numerous airlines since, with chums at QF,GF,EK,KA,SQ,MI,VB and even CX, I can honestly say, there is no golden airline out there that gives you quality, worldly experience. Most airlines are insular and inward looking – QF may have been plying the globe with shiny wide bodies (mostly on the Governments dime) for half a century but they can hardly claim to be world’s best practice. Mates at QF who have worked for long haul outfits OS are gob smacked at how backward QF’s operation is and how ignorant many crews are that there is indeed a better way. Many ex AN guys have ditched QF and moved to KA,CX and JQ having had a gutful of the “we are the greatest” baloney constantly handed down to them (generally via the FO.)

Experience is an intangible substance that differs according ones viewpoint. Is flying 2-3 sectors per month on the same route in the same aircraft for the same airline for 20 years straight really experience?

The guys shaping flight ops at JQ have flown the bus for over a dozen airlines all over the world and have been exposed to vastly different ways of doing things and won’t be constrained by the old incumbent attitude of “But we have always done it this (inefficient/illogical/outdated) way”.

[Dynasty Trash Hauler]

Flown with ex Ansett guys many times in 2 airlines now. like most ozzies they whine a lot but are good to fly with and think on thier feet.

Think your barkin up the wrong tree ronnie.

[a123]

well QF should throw that quill pen out and get real. No more HR bull... give the pilots a fair sim check thats all they need. Like in Europe.

[Watchdog]

ho hum...the sheltered workshop....Australian Aviation :zzz:

[Ralph the Bong]

COP, sorry to hear of your poor experience with J* recruitment. Despite what many say regarding the inequity of the Qantas stage one process, it does represent a level playing feild for all pilot applicants when and if all candidates must pass through. Like all similar exercises, it does not neccessarily ensure that unsuitable candidates are rejected or that suitable candidates are included. It is the old story of measure with a micrometer, cut with a mattock.:yuk:

Those who are in flight operations at J*, at least one of who was rejected by QF stage 1, have not considered the transparancy test when it comes to their selection process. From the posts recieved so far, it plain to that a set of moving goal posts, jobs for mates, circumventing the system ect have set the pace for J* flight operations. Really, is this the way to run an airline?

I also wonder what QF feels about all this; they are bank rolling J* and have apparently at some stage applied a requirement that J* pilots are inducted after jumping through the stage 1 hoop. Is this not a slap in the face for QF flight ops management; where a subsidiary company blatently rejects the mandates set down by the parent? Just for a few 'mates', of course!The decision to walk this path is parlous in terms of inter-company politics to say the least!

Even the perception of favours for mates, cronyism, the side-stepping due process and the like can potentially create a dysfunctional operational culture. it seems that such an outcome has not been forseen by those at the top who should know of such things if they are effective managers. From the posts and rumours circulating so far, it would seem that a culture of us/them, being on the 'inside', jobs for mates and different strokes for diff'nt folks is being normalised into J* culture. Sad really. The guys I know on line are good blokes overall.:{

[OneDotLow]

JQ are recruiting?!

Where do I sign up?! Ill do it for half what they are offering!:*

...anyone seen my vaseline?

[Dexter]

i'll fly as a f.o. for a flat 50k a year and as a captin for 70 and do 110 hours a month.
you can defer me leave for 3 years.
and i'll pay for the endosement.

[OneDotLow]

oh geez... my wife and kids are going to kill me for this... but...

ill fly for 25K for f/o and 35K for capt.
ill pay for my own endorsement twice.
ill fly 220 hours / month.
and ill request to have my leave deferred for 6 years.

gosh my family will be unhappy, but at least the president of my pilots council will ahve a job with management within 24 months!!! woohoo!

[Howard Hughes]

Has anyone failed the Jetstar pshyc test yet and not progressed to the interview stage? From the limited numers that I know (around 9), none have failed, the same cannot be said for the QANTAS pshyc and skills where around 80% of the people I know have failed. Some of these were exceptionally gifted individuals too, others not so, but they all have one thing in common they are now flying with Virgin, Jetstar, Cathay, Emirates, etc...:ok:

[EPIRB]

OneDotLow, I thought you were on the classic at QF these days.

[Toluene Diisocyanate]

Howard,
You might be interested to know that ALL Qantaslink captains (that have applied in the last 12 months) have failed the S&P and NOT gone any further with their applications. Checkies, trainers and line captains.
However, MOST FO's have passed the S&P and moved onto the simulator ride. They are doing well on takeup with Jetstar with most getting through.
Now if I was a conspiracy theorist I would suspect that there is some collusioion here between Qantaslink and Jetstar management. I reckon someone has had a word in Jetstars ear something like "we can't afford to lose our experience, please don't take our captains:{ . Cover your arses to make it look like your not discriminating against all group pilots though. Take a few FO's because we can make their replacements pay for their training and it won't cost us that much.":{
Maybe it's a coincidence and all their captains are just dumbarses.

Nope. I'll stick with the 2nd last paragraph.:yuk: After all they tried it with Cathay and Dragonair when they found out most of their pilots had applied. Scumbags.

[Howard Hughes]

As I said my only form of reference is my own group of friends, interesting to see what is going on in the wider world.:ok:

[fromwayback]

Four Eastern captains have made it into Jetstar, two of those within the last 12 months.

[OneDotLow]

no epirb, unfortunately not me you are thinking of... though I wish it was...

at least the classic would be a fairly stable place to be right now... dont see too many jetstar boys coughing up the dough to get endorsed on the classic!

[skurgler]

How does EA and Sunnies (QFlink) handle the situation, where a pilot has failed QF stage one, but was later accepted into QFlink.
They now have or are about to get commands yet they have failed what is now mandatory entry prerequisites. :cool:

[Toluene Diisocyanate]

Apologies Fromwayback.
Forgot about Dieter and Craig.
Well its widely known there's an unofficial 'embargo' on Qlink captains preventing them from progressing anywhere in the QF group. Just hard to prove it of course. But the numbers speak for themselves.:suspect:

[golow]

From what I hear REX pilots are the target, Qantaslink pilots only a few to look fair. Blue shirts from the failed airline have all the say.

[slice]

Skurgler - I thought the Qantaslink and QF mainline (and Jstar) Psych and Skills were the same test ???
Or do they get marked differently ???

The day I was there the Jetstar guys did the same tests (or similar - everyone I think gets a different test) but they didn't do the instrument interpretation, follow the dots, or the 'keep the ball in the middle' test.

[Agony]

Embargo's on various Flight Crew from other airlines is always hard to prove, but quite often does look obvious.

Toluene, are you saying that there was a number of CX and KA guys trying to get into J* and were held back by an agreement ? They'd be taking a huge pay drop to return to Oz. I wouldn't have thought the two managements were that closely linked or talking.

Even tho the J* guys do the QF P&S it doesn't mean that they are after the same result, (notice I didn't say higher or lower, I think the Psych requirements would be largely different).

Do the J* applicants do the subsequent stages at QF as well, or just some parts. ie do they do a sim with J*, an interview with J* staff and a Medical with QF ?:ok:

[Chimbu chuckles]

Even tho the J* guys do the QF P&S it doesn't mean that they are after the same result, (notice I didn't say higher or lower, I think the Psych requirements would be largely different).

Spot on.

The QF mainline assessment is designed to identify potentially successful CADETS....to apply the same testing to highly experienced applicants in their 30s is extremely counterproductive...in fact it's plain stupid.

When I joined PX we were put through 4 days of assessment...the trickcyclists doing the testing told us later over beers that the tests were the same format as QF but tweaked to identify DIFFERENT qualities...those of experienced pilots (average candidate had 6500 hrs with C&Ting experience) who would fit into PX's operational culture.

QF's process is not the be all and end all of pilot selection...even the people who designed it would not suggest that.

[Poto]

The QF mainline assessment is designed to identify potentially successful CADETS....to apply the same testing to highly experienced applicants in their 30s is extremely counterproductive...in fact it's plain stupid.


This statement is plain stupid. The tests are there for a reason and identify attributes the group wants. These sorts of tests are used by thousands of companies and are highly accurate. If you don't get passed this stage it doesn't mean your age and experience isn't good or you are not a good pilot blah blah blah it means you don't fit into the attributes box they are looking for.

As a mate once told me
"If you don't get into Qantas don't take it personally and if you do get into Qantas, Don't take it personally":ok:

[Agony]

Poto,

A bit harsh. I think what CC was trying to say (sorry to talk for you CC) was that the tests are there for a specific reason. Trying to apply the outcome of the same test for a different need is the key factor here.

You said they are designed to find the right person for the group. I would hazard to guess that the group has several different needs, (QF, QF Cadet, QF regional, J* Dom and J* Int). I reckon that the type of bod they are looking for here would vary, how much I don't know, but it would vary.

I agree with your other comments tho, I think they go without saying. We all have stories about who missed out etc etc:ok:

[Poto]

Agony,
wasn't meaning to be harsh to anyone- prob a bad attribute:hmm:

I do think the p & s test might just not be designed for the 5% odd of QF group crew that are cadets?????

Not an expert and not trying to start a pissing contest with Chucky boy either

[Agony]

Poto,

No I'm not into contests either, point taken.

I'll place my assertive aggressive back in the closet and try and find that submissive type thing that the trick cyclists like.........:bored:

Back to one of my original questions though. Does anybody know what happens after the P&S for a J* applicant?

[cunninglinguist]

If you pass the phsycotic test its onto the sim ( rumoured to be the 74-400 now ) and in for an interview to see if your the type of pilot Ansett, sorry, I mean Jetstar, are looking for :}

[UNOME]

I guess these questions remain unanswered;

Why is the "mates" system still being used to choose e.g. "a middle aged lush who has not flown for a few years" over "current Airbus rated/ experienced pilots" for stage one assessment?

Why isn't everyone required to do stage one?

Equal opportunity or selective nepotism. :ok:

[Pete Conrad]

UNOME, maybe it's got something to do with the fact that these guys could possibly "raise" the standard of JQ?... be interesting to see if the top 30 guys on the JQ seniority list come through the A320 type rating in one peice.

The way I see it is that there are 3 groups in JQ........ Impulse, ex Ansett guys and guys off the street....be nice to see the first group of turkeys sorted out by the second group of guys!!!

[Crossbleed]

Hey Chimbu, take this towel mate and whipe that excess salivation off your strides. Sheesh, that was the verbal equivalent of watching a man with skooby-snacks in his shoes walking through a gaggle of month-old beagles!

That's exactly how the psyche-test works. It's a character profile. Not a "who's a good pilot" profile. The Rat's, (and indeed, anyone's) use of these things is to assess a type of person.
I could be cynical, orright then, I will, and say the Q seem to think a pilot is born, not made, and what the heck IS the difference between one pilot and the next??
Oh, dear, look at little Johnnie's psyche results! Can't possibly have him in the 402 in Sydney, send him to Melb. on the PA31!!
But in order to sort-out large numbers of Cadet wanna-be's it seems a method as good as any other for thinning the ranks.
5% of the group?? Proto I think maybe you've been there only a few months. Psyche testing in current form was first used around '99 -2000, and only the mainline hopefuls got to do it.

[Rostov]

Hey pete, the top 30 have all now been checked to line and some of them now training captains. Your agression at a bunch of people you know very little about is childish at best and show's you obviously have some big issue's you need to talk about to someone. Pete, listen carefully, YOU CANT BE ANGRY AT PEOPLE FOR THIS LONG. ITS NOT HEALTHY AND NOT WORTH IT. LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!!!:ok:

[UNOME]

Just to clarify.

I was refering to the present selection process and not the past transgressions.:ok:

[Chimbu chuckles]

Thanks for the kind offer crossbleed but not required.

I don't know what was in my last post that got some so worked up...it was merely an observation on my part based on experience and informed discussion with those who have been through QF testing...and those who joined QF decades before the current method was in place and have no doubt they couldn't pass it....and yet somehow manage to command QF jets despite this obvious character flaw:ok:

BTW...99%+ of the comment posted in this thread on J*'s recent recruiting is 100% WRONG!!!

And NO I am not going to post detail...you'll just have to take my word for it.:ok:

[Scooter Rassmussin]

Well maybe the EX TAA guys should be tested in QF and removed if required ..........

[max AB]

All the pilots I know in various outfits around the world have a distrust and dislike of their psych department...all that is, except QF etat. What is is that makes them so special that you trust their judgment so completely?

[UNOME]

Big statement Chimbu.

Given that I related what; I heard with my own ears, saw with my own eyes (and gulped with my own mouth), I for one can dispute your claim.:ok:

You forget that the "mates first" policy is no secret.:E

BTW which part of this thread do you dispute?

[scramjet77]

Not one, not a single sole solitary one pilot currently flying the 717 for NJS who was trained, checked and cleared to line by J*s very own check and training department and have received reccomendations from their C/C captains, has received a first interview with J*.

Now if you were management at J* and you had a ready supply of pilots who had been through your very own training department, had been trained with your SOP's and to your company standards, and whose up to date training records are in your own archive, wouldn't it be logical to at the very least offer them a first round of interviews?

Go figure that one.

[Toluene Diisocyanate]

Scram77, talk to anyone from Easterns/Sunstate. They can put you in the picture. QF avoid taking pilots from subsidiarys except for the token few. That's to avoid discrimination claims.:suspect:
I'd say you guys are in the same boat.:yuk:

[Pete Conrad]

Rostov, thats interesting as I heard they were still crewing remaining 717's...anyhow, your as bout as realistic as a chocolate copper anyway.

[Rostov]

Nah Pete, They are through now. The only guys left on the 717 are now a good half way down the senioroty list. I think only a handful of skippers flying together to allow the F/O's to move to the 320.:ok:

[Trevor the lover]

Scramjet, I love the total conviction with which you state "FACT, not one single solitary NJS 717 pilot trained by Jetstar has been offered stage one with Jetstar."

For your statement to be categorically true you would have to be personally in touch with everyone of those pilots to be able to speak for them.

Because here is the FACT - I have a mate in NJS, flies the 717, trained by Jetstar who has a stage one with Jetstar very very soon.

So my friend, you are very, very wrong.

Trev

[dodgybrothers]

has had....being the operative statement, not going to

[UNOME]

Just out of interest, was it for Jetstar domestic or International?

[Toluene Diisocyanate]

If he's a FO he has a chance. If he's a captain I bet he "is not competitive" in the P&S.:yuk:
You see that keeps the 'experience' in the subsidiaries:suspect: . Cant have those puddle-jumpers pranging now can we?:oh:

[Trevor the lover]

For Jetstar domestic. An F/O.

Dodgy - not the case. Scramjet says "has received an interview..." Not "has had an interview". I take that to mean has received an offer of an interview. So "has had" is not the operative word as scramjet doesn't day "has had."

[hoss]

In the recent past I have heard of Qantaslink pilots interviewed but not too many made it through. Infact, I understand that the EOI was not a very successful exercise.

Had a little smile the other day reading the old memo for the EOI:rolleyes: .

[Chocks Away]

Yeh, Hoss... that all got knocked on the head pretty quick smart by EEA management once a stream went through successfully (some time back) and they realised how many others had already been tested/eval... the flood gates WERE about to open there finally!. Very sad.

P.S. You still wearing boaties there? :}

Happy landings:ok:

[scramjet77]

Dear Trev,

The person you speak of was not known to J* recruitment as a 717 driver. They had infact thought that he was still at his previous place of employment. And no, he has not yet had his interview. So.... try again Trev. Actually that would be a better name than threvor the lover, I mean, trevor the lover of what..........Barn yard animals?:

Actually as a post script to my post this morning, I believe that there has been 2 phone calls from J* to NJS pilots. So maybe things are changing. By the By, neither of them are captains.

Love you Trev OOXX

[Trevor the lover]

Scrammers,

Nowhere in your previous post did you say NJS 717 pilots had "HAD" a J* interview. I believe that in the 3 or so paragraphs that you wrote you were making the point that J* were in no way interested in the 717 NJS product. I was mereley pointing out, with no vitriole, which you have resorted to with your barnyard animals quip, that maybe J* ARE becoming interested in the product.

Secondly I believe that the person you have referred to as having been offered an interview is not the person I am referring to. You said J* thought he was with a previous employer. For a start he has been with NJS for quite a while but only recently applied to J* - so why would they think he was still with his previous employer. And of course they know this guy is a 717 driver - he would not leave that fact off his CV.

And lastly, please, if someone beggars to differ from you, don't go firing off with offensive and unnecessary vitriole. Play the argument and make your case - you will win far more respect that way.

Trev the excellent lover

[cunninglinguist]

Unless I'm mistaken trev, you're mate been offered the phsyc test, if so he has'nt been invited for an interview ( until he passes said bs test ), and in that case is'nt scrammers kinda right ?
" not 1 etc etc has recieved a 1st interview with jet* "
The sic test is not an interview is it ? :confused:

[Trevor the lover]

Cunny,

Yep, technically I reckon you are correct.

Would like to know though, was that actually what Scrammy meant by "interview". Was he/she being specific to interview as opposed to psyche testing - I suspect not, but will certainly stand humbly corrected if that is in fact the case.

And Scrammy - note how Cunny was able to correct me without resorting to calling me a dog fondler, sheep shagger, chicken scruffer or any other childish insult. See - it can be done. Cunny has my respect as probably a decent chappy.

Trevor the experienced Lover

[UNOME]

I was just saying the same thing to Cunny under the shower this morning!!

:E Seriously though Trev, thanks for the info re: your domestic f/o mate.

Anyone had an International interview?

[Gordstar]

Guys and gals,

I am not a pilot, but have close affiliations with many of you.

Some of you are stating near desperation to join Jokestar, which is short term understandable, however long term may have a very bad effect on piloting in general.

The other thing for jet* jockeys to consider, and they have no real input to this, is that I believe the greater, educated and travel savvy Australian pax, will begin (has it already started?), to rebel against JetJoke and Qantastic and go over to Virgin, a budget airline which still manages to treat passengers as people, not just a burden to stuff in a seat.

If the drift to Virgin does gather pace, Jet Joke will have to reconsider its operation, I would hope for the better of all concerned.

Thoughts?

[cunninglinguist]

Thanks for the accolades Trev, and yes u are right, I am a great bloke :}

Gordy, my thoughts;
Virgin is Ansett without the service, check anytime on the web ( excluding super u beaut sales which QF also have ) and they are within a few bucks of QF. At least Jet* is a genuine cheap carrier, with, by the way, the same service as VB.

[dodgybrothers]

hey I bagged you out nicely too trev! do I get any respect?

[scramjet77]

Dearest Darling trevor,

You've lost that loving feeling, whoaoao that looooooving feeeeeeling, you've lost that luuuuuuuuuuving feeeeeeeling now its gone, gone gone whoaoaoaoao!!!!!

Loved your last post. Made me laugh till i cried. mate don't take it sooooo seriously. Just a wind up. I know you are a skilled and excellent lover, the whole flock/barnyard has been unable to stop talking about you.:O :O :O

[Trevor the lover]

Dodgy,

yes you have my respect, but more as a funny dude. I like it.

But Scramjet - now I have had a long day flying, followed by a few late night beers, so my mental cognitive powers are not at their peak right at this midnight moment. But could you please advise me - is your last post taking the p!ss out of me in a not so nice way, or are you joining in a bit of PPRUNE cameraderie - ie having a laugh.

Please advise.

Trev the talented Lover

[Trevor the lover]

Sorry, just a follow up Scrammy,

I really did like your last post, very amusing to me. I think I'd enjoy a beer with you.

Trev the very definitely heterosexual lover

[drshmoo]

I think trevor hears the voices, can on champ:}

[scramjet77]

But Trev, how will I recognise you?:cool: :cool:

[Trevor the lover]

Dr Schmoo,

I have got absolutely no idea what you are freakin' talkin' about.


Scrammy,

I will be the ruggedly handsome individual with the safari suit and ugg boots with a big cold beer set up for ya!

Trevor the underloved lover

[cunninglinguist]

...would u 2 get a room :hmm:

[Capt Basil Brush]

Can someone please put up another pic of Jennifer Hawkins :p (from another thread) so you guys can relieve yourselves, and cut the crap!:yuk:


BTW, how do you attach pics?

[Lagrange]

This thread is tragic. JQ management must be laughing themselves stupid (forgot they already are!!)