trouble in Dublin ......

[hobie]

Delta jet in trouble this morning on a flight from Atlanta to Dublin Ireland ..... no injuries .... onward flight to Shannon cancelled .... Dublin closed for an hour but now open ..... see web add'y below for brief description ....

<a href="http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0203/aeroplane.html" target="_blank">http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0203/aeroplane.html</a>

[hobie]

Aircraft likely to be either a MD11 or 767 .....

weather at the web add'y below ....

<a href="http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/EIDW.html" target="_blank">http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/EIDW.html</a>

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[WideBodiedEng]

It's an MD-11 and is off the west end of 28 by a few hundred feet. Couldnt see the wheels so I cant say if any damage or not however the A/C looks reasonably level.. .At approx 11.00 the pax were getting off via steps on the RH side. A/C had APU power working. Currently 16 is in use with very strong southerly winds. Very strong!

Edited to correct location! A/C is actually off the SW side of the runway not the end

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[Tom the Tenor]

Some diversions have flown on to Cork due to those strong winds on Dublin's R/W 16. EI035 returned to Cork. EI223 & EI263 have both also diverted to Cork from Dublin. Also, a Monarch flight has landed but don't know if she is a diversion.

[electricblue]

Following announcement on Ryanair.com ;

Due to strong cross winds at Dublin Airport which forced Delta airlines aircraft off the runway earlier today, Ryanair have cancelled all flights to and from Dublin up to 1500 hours today. Passengers will be reaccomodated on the next available flight or given a full refund of their fare. We will update when we have any further information.

WideBodiedEng what was the stand situation like in Dub this morning ? Many fr's parked on the ram ?

[G-BPEC]

Was that Singapour Cargo 744 landed at Manchester at around 14:00 a Dublin diversion then? Thought it was unusual.. Think the flight number was 7356, but I can't be sure

[electricblue]

yep 7356 is the Dublin flight.

[redbug]

Apparently the only visible damage was to the nosegear which had been twisted at right-angles to the fuselage.

[akerosid]

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what happens to the crew in a situation like this; obviously I hope DL isn't too harsh with them, but I know DL has been harsh on incidents in the past, but there doesn't seem to be much consistency among the airlines (I recall a UAL F/E who caused 3 engines on a 747 to flame out escaped being axed); anyone from DL care to comment - or indeed, from other airlines who have known of crews in this position?

[Bright-Ling]

And for pics of the sad event see:

<a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=217136" target="_blank">N803DE on the grass (nose section)</a>

<a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=217135" target="_blank">N803DE on the grass (no1 engine/leading edge damage)</a>

<a href="http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=217137" target="_blank">N803DE on the grass (Full aircraft)</a>

[Georgeablelovehowindia]

akerosid: Can't speak for Delta but in any airline I've ever worked for, this would call for all members of the operating crew to regard themselves as immediately suspended from flying duties pending investigation into the circumstances. What has happened to this Delta flight crew is everyone's nightmare, given the weather around the UK and Eire in the past week. I trust they'll get a fair hearing.. .On a lighter note, I was once party (as a spotty faced ops. clerk) to sending a signal confirming the automatic suspension of a BOAC VC10 flight crew who had wiped out a couple of runway lights landing in snowy conditions at Frankfurt. The signal also confirmed that, having reviewed the circumstances, fleet management had hereby immediately reinstated them. Phew! No doubt they celebrated their good fortune in the "Ikeja Arms" in Lagos some seven hours later!!

[MarkD]

Saw a punter on telly tonight moaning that FR couldn't accommodate him on a flight until Tuesday. Now I know it is a nightmare situation but where did said punter reckon a bunch of spare capacity was going to spring from ON A SIX NATIONS WEEKEND!!

[Ontheairwaves]

Widbodyengine. .The MD11 was off the the south of the end of Rwy28 in Dublin. A few hundred feet would have had him into the approach lights of Rwy10.... .The nose wheel and left main wheels were in the mud and the right main still on the runway.. .I know because i went to have a look at DAL stuck in the mud.....also.....heard from a friend in Atlanta that it was the Captain's retirement flight.....hmmmmmm what a way to go out eh????. .Plus was wondering who else was in the cockpit because on DAL pilots last flights the jumpseat rule is generally more relaxed..... .I wonder what the AAIB report will read like...... .The plane was ferried back to KATL earlier this evening..... .Rwy28 is still closed with a big hole in the ground where they had to dig it out...... .Winds all day in EIDW where gusting a max of 48kts from 250deg.. .Still tough way to end your career....in the mud in Dublin....instead of in the bar..... <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

[IcePack]

Rwy 28 Last time I landed on it when it was wet. It was as slippery as the proverbial.. .I guess the NTSB will also be shadowing the investigation. My sympathies to the crew.

[BOEINGBOY1]

i wonder if the captain knew it was his retirement flight !!

[Max Angle]

I operated (and was badly delayed) in and out of Dublin several times over the weekend and saw the Delta a/c lying like a beached whale at the side of 28. The weather and wind was changing very quickly on Saturday and I understand from a collegue who saw the action that the ATIS wind was something like 240/03 but when Delta touched down it was gusting well over 30kts and the runway was soaking wet. You can ony feel sorry for the guys really, the feeling of a big aircraft starting to get away from you on the runway is truly horrible. It's happened to me a few times and I've got away with it, looks like their luck ran out, hope mine doesn't.

[sojourn]

I operated in (28) just before delta that morning, and out (16) just after. the winds were changing for the 30- minutes prior to arrival, aborted an appr to 10 due to shift in winds favoring 28, and have transited DUB once again after the aircraft was moved to the north stand.

one question about the track left on rnwy 28 by the md11, wouldn't one expect to see rubber left on the tarmac by the crew in an attempt to stay on the tarmac?

the path on rnwy 28 leading to the brown spot inthe grass is a smooth j turn?

let me know what you think, and best of wishes to the crew.... any one knowif it was to be the capt's retirement flight?

[Ontheairwaves]

To answer the above question. .YES it was the Captain's retirement flight.. .The party for the Burlo turned out to be a very quiet affair....well that was when they eventually got there.. .Crew are claiming the aircraft aquqplaned due to the wet surface......... .It's still in the FLS hangar i believe

[machone]

At least the will not have to pay the parking charges ????

[Bearcat]

In deference to the crew, the MD 11 is a pig in bad weather and has a mind of its own in x winds.

[hobie]

the flight in question is normally handled by a 767 ...... only now and then is an MD-11 used ...... seem to remember another MD-11 going walk-about on the grass in Shannon, a year or so ago? (think it might have been a "World ..." flying under Aer Lingus colours) ...... again, dodgy weather

[Ontheairwaves]

The flight in question is handled by a B767-300ER in the winter although the MD11 comes now and then during the Summer DAL have recently put the B777 on the route...... .Yes it was a World in EI colours that went off the end of the runway in EINN.....am begining to think can the yanks land at all in a x-wind :) :) :)

[Irish Steve]

Just to clarify/correct a couple of things.

The Delata flight has been an MD11 since December, and will be an MD till the summer, when there's a good chance it will again be a 777, as last year. For a while in October/November, it was operated by a 767, but that was planned, as was the change to MD in December.

[hobie]

thanks for that IRISH STEVE ...... come to think of it I do seem to remember seeing a lot of DAL 777 activity in SNN last summer ...... good sign for the "Old Ground"

[PETIGRAM]

Anyone got the numbers on how many MD-11's have been involved in serious landing mishaps - I can recall quite a few. Newark Fed Ex of course and one that didn't get much press but would have been a total disaster was in Honolulu - the plane bounced and the pilot elected to go around - caught a wing tip and the tail skid marks were pointed right at the terminal. They just barely made it!!

I gather it's a nasty beast when the speed brakes deploy.

[hobie]

CREW ...... try the web add'ys below for background info on the MD-11 .......

<a href="http://www.agrosz.com/md11/incidents.html" target="_blank">http://www.agrosz.com/md11/incidents.html</a>

<a href="http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq9.htm" target="_blank">http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq9.htm</a>

[Ontheairwaves]

Irish Steve. .isn't what i posted the last time exactly what. .you posted 2days later????. .What's da story....don't ya read the posts..... .Are you one of those scurvy air guys that robbed those jobs from my mates who worked for DAL???. .Originally the aircraft on the ATl-DUB route was an L1011..then came the B767-300ER....then they put the MD11 on the route and last summer that was replaced by the B777 which is scheduled to come back this year...per my sources in KATL.. .They did also operate another B767 on the JFK route which has now been scrubbed since 9/11 and i don't think that it will be coming back..... .That's a shame because after all the codesharing that went on.....DAL eventually gave ALT a good run for their money on that route...especially since it departed 30mins ahead of the EI 105. . :) :) :) :)