Etihad NEW Package [Archive]

ari shultz

11th Feb 2006, 15:17

I hope that these are rumours ONLY.. because they dont sound too good :ugh:

Heard that the housing allowance is maintained at DIR90000 per annum. (for captains) and maintained at DIR85000(for first officers) With no furniture allowance. (that was DIR30000)

Exsisting EY pilots and newcomers are welcomed to move in to three apartment buildings with no parking available.

Standby duty pay is reduced to DIR350 from DIR700 a day.(for captains) And DIR450 to DIR225(for first officers) *Cabin Managers are paid DIR230 for sby duty. (higher than FO, if youd note)

With rising rental cost in AUH and scarce parking spaces, is this package enough to attract good pilots to EY?

ari

flyer306

11th Feb 2006, 16:20

think they are not rumours....it seems very quiet after the new contract came out. you are pretty close, furniture allowance is still there as long as you move into their accommodation which is questionable. AUH is a very expensive when looking for a place. Dont think people are happy:(

thesandfly

11th Feb 2006, 20:03

was looking at moving that way but seems no progress on the terms, it is far east for s.f. ari heard what i herd

wallflower

11th Feb 2006, 20:05

No they are not rumours,its true the new package is rubbish.The thing is though who will complain now that we are all being kept in our places by means of intimidation.Hate to sound negative but it seems that all the excitement we all felt when our esteemed CEO was named was misplaced.Just look at what he has achieved......not really impressive is it?So that is why the new paydeal is as expected.RUBBISH.

fullforward

11th Feb 2006, 23:25

Sadly, unfortunately it seems everything is true.
The new contract was not shown yet to new prospective joiners with contracts already signed...
No the most commendable way to do things.
I guess someone learned very fast some bad lessons...:confused:

tic

12th Feb 2006, 00:07

Congrats on the 1st 777. I am in GF, lower down the order. ALL of U pilots are in a new expanding airline, with un-limited funds. EK is bigger, right now, but perhaps not for long. What-ever happens in GF/ EY, very little chance o f a job loss. In my opinion EK, getting too big too soon, and sruggling for pilots. You guys in EY, got it made.

fullforward

12th Feb 2006, 01:25

Sorry mate, but I miss your point...
Your arguments, though true, are not enough to justify accepting a contract dowgrade. Rather on the contrary.
Furthermore, EK, Asiana, KAL, SIA, Air India are all looking for B777 DECs NOW.
Lot of Airbus jobs elsewhere too.
Best way to fix things: newcomers - don't go

davidletterman

12th Feb 2006, 03:04

sclk

12th Feb 2006, 09:47

dear davidletterman. i think the pay u quote is not that accurate.Heard that with the new pay all new co- pilots will start at about 16400 regardless of hours
and i seriously doubt that there will be 20 duty days at dir450 per day. Its more likely to be mixed with standby (dir225). So i guess the figure posted is not very accurate.:{

SV4L

12th Feb 2006, 13:53

SCLK you are right ; my poor david maybe you have connection for having 20 duty pays but if you are really working for EY as i am you know that usually it's more closed to 15 days duty pays and they were compensated with some STBY monthly, so the salary now for some F/O experienced is a pay cut:{ .
if you add the problem with the accomodation , it is a bad package:{
I hope it is going to change for everybody, people in the HR should understand the reality of the market on the other hand pilots are not some slaves in the new century maybe when some our beautiful birds will be grounded they will realize;

fly safe

SV4L:ok:

wallflower

12th Feb 2006, 15:32

SV4L.
I do not think that the blame for this package can be given to HR.Our own operations department were the ones who negotiated all the points.Ask yourselves why we only get half the allowance for standby..........post holders and flunkies do not have standby but they do get paid for office days!!!!Housing in AUH is becoming very expensive and it would have been a goodwill gesture to increase the allowance .Maybe you are right SV,perhaps they will only notice how unhappy people are when their shiney new aeroplanes have to sit on the ground due to lack of competant crews.Remember the old saying <pay peanuts get monkeys>Once again the feelings of optimism are dwindling.It is my opinion and i know that i am not alone that things in Etihad will never change for all the obvious reasons.

etihad380

12th Feb 2006, 17:37

All rumours are true, situation is become worse, company apartments are not the standard they used to be, no parking spots, the new figures look nice in the first moment, however if you calculate the standby days in account the salary is less then before. In the meanwhile the moral is very bad, lot of them are on the way to finish their homework and leave .... rumours 10 Captains have resigned already. Welcome to Abu Dhabi !

fullforward

12th Feb 2006, 18:08

Check your PM.

green lemon

13th Feb 2006, 09:53

hi little..

let me lauch with your 20 days duty.... for the time being it s 10 to 15 days on with stby... half of the previous allowance... so where is the improvment?:{

Rogi

13th Feb 2006, 17:04

If MrLetterman is so far off, somebody give us a correct overview then... What about the rumours housing allowances going up ??
It surely must be US$ 7K exclusive of housing or am I that wrong ? I might as well stay in the UK if not. :ugh:

camelbird

13th Feb 2006, 19:05

Etihad is still a work in progress. There are somethings not yet right, but i think give it time, it is going to be aplace to be. So if you are a bit patient, things could be better. Anyway, for the next few years there are jobs all over and if those guys at Etihad don't get their act together, you could just leave.

sdcycles

14th Feb 2006, 08:46

Lettermans info looks as though that's the info they have given him on offer, and before he is/isn't going through the door. If you look closer Rogi he does mention accomodation is in addition.

Some advice here since I know an EK FO waiting for the perfect point to return to the UK due a diminishing bond/poor exchange rate. Never make any move to any carrier in this region before knowing precisely what you are going to get with regards to terms and conditions. Double check it with current staff if you can. Make sure you are standing on UK soil when you sign the contract and keep your passport to prove it. European law protects Euro citizens from unscrupulous employers under certain conditions. If asked to re sign a contract after joining, for some minor change, double check everything as there may be other larger changes. Exchange rates are also an issue for someone from the UK.

Never listen to rumours in this region about pay rises, accom rises etc. In the past these generally coincide with recruitment campaigns and don't materialise as everyone strives for the 'cost cutting' God.
If you come to this region never look on it other than a two/three year stint unless you really do like sand and building sites. If you like traffic congestion as well, you may like to consider the 'Dubai Traffic Festival' which is now 365 days of the year!

Hope this helps. If in doubt. Stand still.

davidletterman

14th Feb 2006, 09:27

Hi,

As I wrote, this info is WHAT ETHIHAD IS "OFFERING"

I do not work for them, do not have an offer to work for them, not interested in working for them, etc...

If what they offer is not what they comply with....., well, sounds to me like standard practice around here, so keep discovering until you find something better...

:yuk:

PS. ah yes, one more thing, they bond for 5 years...

fullforward

15th Feb 2006, 01:10

No bond as long as you are type rated on EY fleet.

davidletterman

15th Feb 2006, 06:18

Right, no bond when you join as a type-rated F/O, however, bond for 5 years once you get upgrade anyway

fullforward

15th Feb 2006, 15:46

Thank you, David, I've didn't read about it, but if you're telling...

purple

27th Feb 2006, 12:17

This is what is on offer now by Etihad:

They also say that housing allowance is about 7000 dirhams per month...

Thank you for your continued interest in Etihad Airways. We would like to pursue your application further and therefore ask you to study the attached facts sheet. This will give you an exact overview about the present terms and conditions for pilots in Etihad Airways.

First Officer per month = - 2000 hours on type

Basic
AED 16,900
USD 4,605

approximately 20 duty days at AED 450
AED 9,000
USD 2,452

Salary Total approximately
AED 25,900
USD 7,057

This does not yet include any function pay, i.e. Examiner, Trainer etc.

The salary you get from Etihad Airways will not be taxed or deducted in any way.

Mate!
You are correct to certain extent.
Stby duty days are now paid half. You definately will not be working 20 days in a month. Too good to be true!! Trust me, I have got mates there. You will be lucky if you get 15 days of duty.
You must accept company provided accommodation. No exception unless you do not want the furniture allowance. A one off payment of 35K for Capt and 32K for F/O. Furniture allowance is valid for 3 years, there after you get a monthly allowance for furniture. (900AED for Capt. and 700AED for F/O)

wallflower

27th Feb 2006, 14:23

PURPLE.are you sure that you do not work for Etihad?For an outsider you seem to have the company sussed out.I agree with everything you have said.The last paragraph is espacially true.Considering the available budget,corners are being cut at every level(including training etc.)This charter company mentality can only end in tears.

Fly4Fun

7th Mar 2006, 02:26

HI all

Any of you have any information about the per diems when away of base at Etihad?
Thanks for information.

F4F

2dotsright

7th Mar 2006, 10:28

There are NONE

Fly4Fun

7th Mar 2006, 14:57

HI all

No per diems???????????????
So, when on layover in, lets say, Toronto the crew members have to pay from their own money to eat and stuff like that?
Thanks

GTR-34

7th Mar 2006, 18:28

dear fly...u get paid 700dhs per duty day 4 captains n 450dhs for f/o..thats all. wish it was more:)

Fly4Fun

8th Mar 2006, 15:01

I was thinking in apply to Etihad. I was reading the posts and to be honest I guess it is not a very good deal. :(
Just to confirm, there is no pension or provident fund?
Do you think the per diems will be introduced in a near future?
Thanks to all of you for your replies.
Take care ;)
F4F

SV4L

8th Mar 2006, 18:05

no perdiem
no loss of license
no pension scheme
no profit sharing
medical not 100% covered

basic + duty pay:sad:

2dotsright

9th Mar 2006, 01:45

There are NO perdiems when on a layover. The 700 duty pay per rostered days work (half for standby) is only to get the already pathetic pay scale up a little more. For example, if a 777 Captain works 16 days in a month then the base salary (including 700/day duty pay) is still UNDER $US 10,000. Then take out more to top up the accomodation allowance so as to live in something liveable. etc etc... As I said there is NO perdiem allowance. You are right, if on a 2 day layover in Toronto then you use your basic pay to look after your living expenses Good Luck!!!

Fly4Fun

9th Mar 2006, 13:08

Thanks.
I guess I'll not lost my time aplying.
I'm just wondering, with all those "benefits" how they still have pilots. ;)
Take care guys and gals.
Happy landings
F4F

slimy

12th Mar 2006, 07:21

I would like to ask a question, do they pay for the families in the existing accom, which they where given on arrival over the last 3 years, to move into the “comapmy provided” accom. Removals and or staorage can be expensive! Also I believe some are paying out as much as 5000dirums or $1300 or £800 extra to live in suitable apartment/villas, is this true. Is there any sign of a climb down?
It is a sad state of affairs, as it would be a good company to work for if it was more people orientated and not purely goal orientated as it seems to be. They do not seem to have a grasp of what family life or stability is and they are willing to sacrifice this in the hope some will still join.
:sad:

camelbird

12th Mar 2006, 16:08

It all depends on what you consider suitable accommodation. If you splash out for a huge villa or apartment of course you'll gonna pay much more. But on average you might have to fork out about 4000aed for a decent place. Having said that,prices are not static and will increase every year.
Ideally the package should cover the cost, but i guess there are some people in the company who think otherwise.

GTR-34

12th Mar 2006, 17:54

The company should be nice and there are lotsa room for improvement..but it all depends on what future the abu dhabi gov wants for etihad. Housing is the biggest problem for most of the guys at the moment. Cheap accomodation is available but the place is usually dim and crowded. A decent apartment with parking is about 120k+ AT LEAST! (3rooms). Company seems to not wanna budge on this housing issue..:{
Forking out between 30-50k a year is a lot of money:ugh:

Eisenhower

13th Mar 2006, 12:15

What is the problem with the accomodation given by the airline ?? I thought it would be some A class place. Any pictures of it ?

camelbird

14th Mar 2006, 08:01

Etihad is a new airline but it is already making the same mistakes that the other airlines are doing or have done. Benefits and allowances are being reduced, in a belief that they were too high. And the real situation
of living in the UAE is not address seriously.
I don't think they can call it a National Airline if it is run like a Low Cost Carrier.

fractional

14th Mar 2006, 09:32

In situations like these, it is always worthy to know the "big shots" package. Where do they live? How many cars and "what cars"? Are they single, married, no kids? All that plays "big" in the nowadays wherever you are. There is usually a big gap between the top and the rest of us.
Not long ago, the sponsors housed you with the usual maintenance service provider problems. Education was reasonable to meet medium level international school fees.
With airlines breaking up or going broke, the conditions won´t go up. The supply is there to last for a long time, and meets by far the demand, otherwise "attitudes" would have changed. Remember that airlines are now recruiting non-type rated or non-experienced staff in other areas.

flyer306

14th Mar 2006, 16:05

Accommodation....right. No such thing as A Class Eisenhower...
Unless you are prepared to fork out a lot of your own cash to live in a decent place otherwise bad luck.
There are a lot of issues that need to be addressed here and not only accommodation.... the per diem....another big issue...

thesandfly

14th Mar 2006, 18:19

Just read all the threads since Ari hit the right not.Camel bird you are right I was interested but i was told that it was run like a low cost outfit. Not sure but my story was the top men were all from eurpoen low budgit charterers companys. ony need look at the way they deal with staff to be worried. Said before there are now jobs around that are ok. The middle east is not the only job center