tigermagicjohn
24th Jan 2006, 13:41
I have in a previous post explainer my situation, that I am 36, and want to start flying again, after PPL 15 years ago.
I have recieved some advice and done some research on this, and would like to know if somebody are informed about a few things with regards to certs.etc.
Now I would like to know how the future might look and what chances or odds to get jobs. (i know there are no guarantees, but there are ways to prepare oneself best possible.)
First I have read some places that FAA and JAA licenses will be harmonized, does anybody have any information of this, and what are the requirements to get reduced conversions costs and time?
If my attitude is I dont care where I get a job, as long as I can work, will I be able to get airline jobs with FAA certs only? (UK and Norwegian passport)
I have heard the main problem for FAA certs. is europe, while in other parts of the world the FAA certs. seems to be acceptable? Is this correct?
I have considerd schools like example Ari Ben where the pro program cost appro. $35000 (multi engine)
Additonal they sell blocks of multi engine time of $25000 for 300 hours, now is this useful? Compared to being able to instruct?
I would see myself doing a combination of both instucting on the J-1 visa and taking buying multi engine hours! This to get both experience and quality of my own training.
So after 2 years I would be looking to have around total time of 1200 - 1500 hours, where around 500 would be multiengine.
Since I am a newbie again, how does this look so far?
Because of my age I need to be able to get more experience faster, and I will not have time to wait for better times before I can be able to compete. Furthermore I dont believe getting a type rating alone will be a sollution, because for me this seems worthless unless you have flying time on the type.
So the only way I see forward is buying line check and FO exp. on Boeing 737 or Airbus, 500 hours is advertised at $30.000 + type rating approx.$20.000. (eagle jet)
So this totals to:
School : $35.000
Multi: $ 25.000
Type: $20.000
500 hrs: $30.000
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Total: $110.000 or approx. £62.000
This would probably set me up with a total time of approx. 2000 hours. 500 Multi and 500 as FO on 737 type rated.
First of will the multi engine 300 hours have any importance if making the type rating and line check?
Maybe it would be better just try to instruct and get Multi time this way instead.
Another question with this amount of hours will the JAA conversion be easier? Reduced?
What would be the job prospects with these amount of hours?
I know that it is frowned upon for pilots taking their own type ratings and hours etc. And I understand you guys have a valid point, however I am in a stage of my life where I dont have all the time in the world to build up hours over the next 8-10 years.
Another thing is that this is money I have worked hard to save up myself, and this has been my dream since young, but never thought I would be financial able to make this step.
I am taking a calculated risk on this, if anybody is prepared to spend £50.000 for a UK training, I would say the way I have calculated my estimates seems stronger and better to be able to get some of those rare jobs out there, but then again I might be wrong.
I know there is more work in europe, so the conversion might be required to JAA, so my main question then must be how expensive and complicated will this be with this amount of hours?
Or will it in near future be an acceptance of FAA and JAA certs.? Or this just utopia or a politics european flight schools are afraid to loose their business if this would happen!
Its a bit of a contradiction when the European schools sends their students to the USA do their flight training, seems for me already "a dead man walking" the european flight schools.
Alternatives for my above would be EFT, no block of multi time, but for combined ATPL JAA and FAA they cost $76000 with 1500 hours, at least half on multi engine.
Would make the total approx. $120.000 + + extras.
Also are there many companies "world wide" that hires FAA certified pilots? Not US based companines,because I assume being able to work there is impossible. Even if one school I checked said that if it comes a shortage of pilots in the US the next few years, getting a green card there will not be a problem.
But I dont know what the prospects for shortage in the US after 911, but then again I would not mind where I go working. As longs as it flyes!
I have recieved some advice and done some research on this, and would like to know if somebody are informed about a few things with regards to certs.etc.
Now I would like to know how the future might look and what chances or odds to get jobs. (i know there are no guarantees, but there are ways to prepare oneself best possible.)
First I have read some places that FAA and JAA licenses will be harmonized, does anybody have any information of this, and what are the requirements to get reduced conversions costs and time?
If my attitude is I dont care where I get a job, as long as I can work, will I be able to get airline jobs with FAA certs only? (UK and Norwegian passport)
I have heard the main problem for FAA certs. is europe, while in other parts of the world the FAA certs. seems to be acceptable? Is this correct?
I have considerd schools like example Ari Ben where the pro program cost appro. $35000 (multi engine)
Additonal they sell blocks of multi engine time of $25000 for 300 hours, now is this useful? Compared to being able to instruct?
I would see myself doing a combination of both instucting on the J-1 visa and taking buying multi engine hours! This to get both experience and quality of my own training.
So after 2 years I would be looking to have around total time of 1200 - 1500 hours, where around 500 would be multiengine.
Since I am a newbie again, how does this look so far?
Because of my age I need to be able to get more experience faster, and I will not have time to wait for better times before I can be able to compete. Furthermore I dont believe getting a type rating alone will be a sollution, because for me this seems worthless unless you have flying time on the type.
So the only way I see forward is buying line check and FO exp. on Boeing 737 or Airbus, 500 hours is advertised at $30.000 + type rating approx.$20.000. (eagle jet)
So this totals to:
School : $35.000
Multi: $ 25.000
Type: $20.000
500 hrs: $30.000
-------------------
Total: $110.000 or approx. £62.000
This would probably set me up with a total time of approx. 2000 hours. 500 Multi and 500 as FO on 737 type rated.
First of will the multi engine 300 hours have any importance if making the type rating and line check?
Maybe it would be better just try to instruct and get Multi time this way instead.
Another question with this amount of hours will the JAA conversion be easier? Reduced?
What would be the job prospects with these amount of hours?
I know that it is frowned upon for pilots taking their own type ratings and hours etc. And I understand you guys have a valid point, however I am in a stage of my life where I dont have all the time in the world to build up hours over the next 8-10 years.
Another thing is that this is money I have worked hard to save up myself, and this has been my dream since young, but never thought I would be financial able to make this step.
I am taking a calculated risk on this, if anybody is prepared to spend £50.000 for a UK training, I would say the way I have calculated my estimates seems stronger and better to be able to get some of those rare jobs out there, but then again I might be wrong.
I know there is more work in europe, so the conversion might be required to JAA, so my main question then must be how expensive and complicated will this be with this amount of hours?
Or will it in near future be an acceptance of FAA and JAA certs.? Or this just utopia or a politics european flight schools are afraid to loose their business if this would happen!
Its a bit of a contradiction when the European schools sends their students to the USA do their flight training, seems for me already "a dead man walking" the european flight schools.
Alternatives for my above would be EFT, no block of multi time, but for combined ATPL JAA and FAA they cost $76000 with 1500 hours, at least half on multi engine.
Would make the total approx. $120.000 + + extras.
Also are there many companies "world wide" that hires FAA certified pilots? Not US based companines,because I assume being able to work there is impossible. Even if one school I checked said that if it comes a shortage of pilots in the US the next few years, getting a green card there will not be a problem.
But I dont know what the prospects for shortage in the US after 911, but then again I would not mind where I go working. As longs as it flyes!