MAM Conditions

[overhere]

Hi all,

Can any QF MAM crew advise what the average earnings would be (I know it's hard being casual, but a monthly or yearly average would do) and any other relevant info?

Thanks

[andie74]

i have to say it really varies from mth to mth, according to how many days availability you give Qantas and then wot kind of work is available on those days. For example, most mths i give them 5 days a week, one mth i can average around 60-80 hrs, but another mth get around 80-110 hrs. for me its usually around 85-90. we are paid approx $26.24 per hr, plus $4.63 Duty travel allowance (some of which is not taxed if earned as part of a multi day trip- so if you get a few trips you can make a few hundred $$$ that arent taxed)

i work every weekend plus 3 week days. and i know there are MAM casuals who regularly get up around 120 or more hrs- but i honestly dont know how! i think it may be that they dont elect ANY days off when they put in theyre avail days for the mth- therefore allowing Qantas to work with essentially a 'clean slate' so maybe more likely to be allocated a full roster. whereas the rest of us get whats left over plus sick leave????? Dont know for sure but its a theory ive heard. i dont do that bcos its meant to be a casual job so i can at least have flexibiilty to do some things with my week that are planned. so thats my choice.

with 5 days p/wk you would think my hrs should be great...... but all it takes is for us to get 2 or 3 SYD returns in a week and already you've worked 3 days and only approx 13 -15 actual paid hrs work. then there are mths that are exceptionally bad, June was one of them (good time to plan a holiday!) and Dec wasnt good either, i got about 65 hrs, i caught up with friends for christmas (other MAM that i trained with) and in general we all had low hrs. Last Jan was really good for hrs so fingers crossed this mth will be a good one too!

hope this answers ur questions- if you wanted to know anything else specifically feel free to ask!

andie

[amongthestars]

last month was a bit quiet out of sydney. I took a week off but still managed to do 100hrs, so the hours are there if you want them. I generally put in that I am available everyday and then towards the end of the month you can ring up and make yourself non-av if you don't want to do any more hrs. Fortnightly pays vary from 1400 to 2500. It really depends on how many hrs you do, meal penalties, overnights etc.

[overhere]

Thanks for the replies!

A question - I know 32+ from MAM have gone into perm positions with mainline in PER. Do those opportunities come up now and then, or was it a one off?

[SkySista]

Hey all,

I am also wondering about MAM, as I have been invited to interview with them soon.

WRT availability, how long in advance do you put in your available days? What's the latest you can change to non-av before trips? Swapping? Holidays - e.g. can you take them when you want to.... and staff travel? Do you get any? Same as mainline or reduced benefit?

Also I guess training is same as for mainline, do you get paid during training, and how much demand is there for PER-based positions at the moment? What kind of flying do the Perth casuals do?

Thanks heaps!!

PS - any tips for interview much appreciated - re: format etc (I know some of it's been done before but it's so hard to find anything QF/MAM that isn't negative....!

[Soulsista65]

Hello ,

There is movement in the sky's and MAM are recruiting again.


Have just finished reading the forums from past interviewees and like
Skysista would love to get any tips from the "initiated" of what to expect from the MAM Assessment sessions. ;)

xSs65

[sebby]

Perth flying for MAM is possibly the best for o/nights and hours etc, the new EBA may introduce career progression into mainline aswell as some guarenteed hours per your availability.

It will become better than the current offer and definitely worth considering if you want to fly for Qantas.

I imagine the process will involve a one on one/ panel and then group activities thereafter followed by another round of one on one/ panel (it tends to be panels these days as they use one as a scribe etc) and also language proficiency checks and then to medicals ref checks and so on.

I have also been told that Qantas will have more to do with this next recruitment drive and less MAM as they havent had great feedback from the Crew that were last picked by the MAM recruiters. It will be interesting that is for sure, but as with all airline interviews expect the unexpected and you will go further! I have got every flying job I have gone for on that basis and find myself doing extremely well on the day as a result, rather than having notes in my head and struggling to remember a plan which hasnt been adhered to by the recruiters whatsoever. As a Flight Attendant you need to think quick, and this should be apparent at your assessments. Good luck everyone!!!

[mamslave]

well good luck to those who want to join

been here nearly 4 years.

For your info, all new employees will have to go on a 20 day contract!

Deal is:


You can only nominate 3 days off per month
Qf give you 20 days of duties
You have no say what so ever!For those voting on the new EBA, vote NO NO NO

Dont let these people threaten us with new contract....we have seen what happened to us on contract A..

Dont belive the hype about ever going full time!

Perth flying is great, lots of international trips, sydney is different, lots of melb or brissie early returns.....unless of course you are in the club of people who seem to get singapore trips all the time, or lots of trips...

be ready to do some serious sucking up to people in crewing (heres a tip, offer to buy them duty free vodka or cigaretts) guarantees you overseas trips..

Now tell me, how sickening is that? or is it just me that thinks that?

[stevemelb]

So would that mean you always work atleast 20 days each month?

Any idea on when schools are or are they just looking for waitlist people again?

Any info appreciated.

Thanks,

Steve.

[andie74]

before accepting any job offers, my first question to MAM would be what contract would you be working under, and ask for a copy. this was a problem for some people when we started approx 16 months ago, we were told one thing at interviews, but then the contract we were given to sign on our last day of training stated different things.

it seems as though new casuals are going to be put on Contract C -although a Syd casual told me just today that he was told in the EBA meeting yesterday (by the union) that new people wont 'have' to go on it, that it'll be a choice for them- just like the rest of us.......but i dont really know whether i believe that though.

it was also said that we (the current casuals) wont be forced onto Contract C - but again, most of the casuals on contract A were kinda forced onto our contract B- so who knows whether to believe that either.

FYI the new Contract C states that every month you will be pre-allocated 20 days duties, which depending on your life/family/commitments may or may not appeal. so the company will pick what days you do and dont work. It doesnt appeal to me at all, mostly because it'll mean i have absolutely no control over my life from one month to the next. basically no choice of days off (except for 3 consecutives days per mth that can be 'requested'), more than likely rostered to work every weekend and all public holidays with no penalties (same flat rate 365 days per year), and possibly only ever getting Syd returns every day for 20 days.

i like the flexibility i have now, i can work 12 days or more (totally up to me) i can choose my days off, so if i have a special occasion i want to go to then i can.

Sebby, although i can agree that there were a few 'dodgy' casuals that may have made it though the MAM recruitment process, its somewhat defamatory to make statements like

"Qantas will have more to do with this next recruitment drive and less MAM as they havent had great feedback from the Crew that were last picked by the MAM recruiters"

personally i find comments like that insulting to both myself & the many, many other casuals i work with who do just as good a job as the full time F/A's. overall the majority of casuals who are online, and still employed are no different to full timers when it comes to getting the work done. please dont tar everyone with the same brush- thats like making a generalised statement that 'Qantas will never make a mistake, & will never employ anyone who doesnt do a great job' ........and of course that would be rubbish, bcos ive worked with the odd full timer who has been atrocious to work with too. most days, people dont even know if you are a casual until it comes up in conversation.

someone also asked about staff travel benefits- nope, there are no benefits at all.
holidays -you can theoretically take whenever you want- within reason i guess. i havent had any probs at all getting time off, i havent ever actually had to ask- i just work the first 12 days in one month, then the last 12 days in the following month- so essentially i have a whole month off, but havent had to ask/have it approved. if you wanted to work less than 12 days in a calendar month you would need to speak to MAM. Someone on here did say that they had trouble getting time off, but personally no-one that i know has had any real trouble.

AV days can be changed to non AV days as long as you do it more than 7 days in advance- we get our work allocated 7 days in advance so as long as you cant physically 'see' the duty on your line, then you can call crewing and ask to be made non AV. i do this all the time.

but again- i dont know how much of this info is of use to prospective casuals, bcos if you have to go onto Contract C most of this this wont really apply.

[Ascent]

Just checked my email and tried to register for Brisbane, but it wont allow me saying i'm too young - im 20. From what ive read on MAMs page the minimum age is 18. I thought it was a glitch on the webpage so i tried the phone registration and after all the stuffing about at the end it said you do not meet the minimum requirements for this intake we have kept you details on file.

Have MAM upped the minimum age limit?

Cheers,
BR

[wa.man]

From what I can gather if you are employed as a casual you arent gaurenteed any hours [unlikly I would think though but possible] But I suppose you would have to be prepared for the quiet months, down turn in avaition, Jetstar growing etc etc etc.
The big issue for me though would be...how do financial institues, banks etc feel about lending you money for home, car loans etc when you have no gaurenteed income??
I am presuming also there is no staff travel benifits as you arent employed by QF??

[andie74]

Wa.man, no, currently there is no guarantee of hours- however in the new contract C they will guarantee 20 days duties- but for that privelledge you will have to give up any control over your life to put it bluntly. but perhaps for some it will be appealing. Not me though. for those of us on contract B they will guarantee only 3 days per month.


i havent really tried the banks as far as a loan etc goes. but i think that as long as you can show that youve been employed (albeit casually) for a certain period of time, like a year or more and get a letter from MAM stating this also, then you probably would get something like a car loan. A mortgage is another story though- i believe they would expect you to have a fairly substantial deposit- ie more than someone with a full time job. although having said that,i do have a phone number for a lending insitution that was on a Current Affair that said it specialised in loans for people who are self employed, or casual (but regular) workers.

and yep , there have been a few month here and there that were 'poor' months as far as pay goes- but now that i know when its likely to happen i'll plan for it this year.

[sebby]

Andie, duely noted and I apologise if I offended anyone. You are absolutely right, and I agree some full timers are the worst of all and LH is just on a continuous down hill sloap. But I again refer to a few bad eggs tat make it bad for everyone else.

[overhere]

OK some follow-up questions.

1. With Contract C and the guarentee of duties - is that essentially 20 days of guarenteed paid work a month?

Also, the SYdney flying - how many average overnights would there be a month and why could contract C result in less overnights then contract B?

Thanks heaps

[SkySista]

thanks for all the info guys...

I really don't like the sound of 20 days you HAVE to work....

I mean, sure, I'm a casual now, and probably do work 20 or more days in a month, but.... I like being WILLING to do the work, rather than being MADE to.... if that makes sense....

I am extremely flexible with my current employer; although I have study commitments etc, I have said i am happy to consider what they need if staffing is short/last minute sick leave cover etc - to call me and 'll see what I can do. Most cases I can change things so I can work, it's rare that I can't. However I do want SOME flexibility in my day - so I HOPE it's not that 20 day thing.....

Still, I'll give it a go.... and...

Just wondering how likely it is, if based in Perth, to get trips like HK and SIN, and if the average newbie (after being with the company an appropriate period of course) could get, say 2 HK/SIN trips in a month or two????

And what do you think of Jo'burg? My sister was horrified to hear I'd consider going there, hahahaha :p

[sebby]

JNB is unlikely I would say as its a LH flying route and on 744, but your main sectors would be HKG, SIN, CGK rtn, maybe NRT aswell as some regional flying and ADL -SYD o/n and then straight on to PER. But with the nature of this industry you just never know!!

SS I have a feeling I may know you from another forum! French rolls ring a bell????? ;)

[SkySista]

Argh!!! There was something else i was gonna ask and now i forgot!!! :p

ALso, what's the deal with promotions, etc.... do you have to work a certain amount of time to get 'better' trips or work B/First etc... or is it "merit-based".... also, can you apply for internal positions within QF or is that offlimits because you are not 'real' QF?? Just curious as to how one would become a 'proper' QF employee as opposed to a contractor/MAM one.... (yeah, I know, hell would probably freeze over before QF actually hire, but you know what I mean...)

i.e., can a MAM FA realistically expect to ever work long haul in the future??

Sebby, check your PMs! :ok:

[andie74]

will try and cover most of the questions guys! sorry its a bit long

1. Sebby no probs, i agree- a few bad eggs : )

2. with Contract C there will be 20 pre-allocated duties, duties can be either actual flying duties, airport reserve, and i think maybe AV spans (which is a home reserve- currently we get paid 4 hrs pay for being on call at home for 12 hrs)

3. the reason most of us are saying that you could get 'bad' flying is mostly bcos it would seem that most of the work will come from work that will be dumped by the full timers. currently under flexible work agreements they can try & dump work down to 80 or 85 hrs (i forget which one!)- so most of the dumped work that we get (Mel) is Syd returns, Canberra rtns & perth horrors...but mostly Syd rtns! basically the work that full timers dont want to do.

4. Overnites- theres no easy answer im afraid. they come & they go from one month to the next. it just depends on what you happen to get. we get a fair few perth horrors -leave @ 0730am, get to perth, 12hrs rest and leave perth the same nite at about 2200 (per time), sign off in Mel at 0520- some people hate them, i actually like them. you get a 9 1/2 hr duty, with about 22hrs DTA which isnt taxed and you have the whole of the second day off to do whatever, so id really prefer to do that than 2 syd returns for approx the same hrs- the DTA makes the difference.

im not sure if its clear to everyone or not, so im going to state the obvious.....apologies if you already know this but im getting the impression that maybe some people think we have a 'choice' in the work/duties we do. but we dont, we get to choose the actual days we work, not the duties. we dont bid like the full timers, so theres no way of saying whether someone could get 2 overnites, or 7 overnites, or even where those overnites will be. its pure luck. although having said that, as mamslave has alluded to, there does appear to be a 'club' who are managing to rort the system and obviously have contacts in crewing perhaps bcos they get an usually high number of regional trips etc. i dont pesonally know anyone doing it but i have heard the stories from quite a few people.

how long we have been flying doesnt have any bearing on the kind of work we get. someone from perth could better answer this, but i think the perth casuals probably would get the most regional flying of all of us. but i guess that could be changing with all the L/H people going across to S/H?

also as someone has pointed out today, with the new EBA we could possibly see them operated mainly by casuals as there will be no Band payments (easiest explained as penalty rates) for full time crew, also no meal allowance, overtime up from the current 8.5hrs to 12hrs. so its likely the full timers will not want to bid these any more. so as casuals we now
stand to lose plenty of money on those trips. for example in Per the Jakarta is worth great money for casuals but they will lose a couple hundred $$ on these with the new EBA.

5. as far as promotions is concerned- no we cant be promoted into other areas. for example, i know a casual who has been flying for i guess 4 yrs, who is also a pilot, and is even qualified to investigate plane crashes. he applied for a position at the training school, but was told he couldnt be offered the job bcos he was a casual and therefore not technically an employee of QF. Very frustrating for him.

also theres no B/first, only business & economy- and trust me......you'll work in business class the majority of the time- most of the crew who have been flying for a while dont ever seem to want to work in business- dont know why, i quite like it.

i dont want to sound negative in saying this, bcos mostly i feel pretty positive about my job, but im also a realist, and i accepted this job knowing that it was casual so i dont harp on the 'full time' issue too much myself, but i understand why its important to others. i wouldnt put too much hope in ever being full time or getting to long haul, but the new EBA does now say that there will be career progression for MAM casuals the same as for Jetstar, Qantaslink etc. how it will work i dont know. and how often it will happen is also a mystery. there are already probably about 500 casuals so even if 20 or 30 managed to make it across every year, it would be a while off for most. i guess the good news is that there is 'some' hope for those wanting to get full time eventually, but its best not too look so far ahead bcos it may never happen. if it does happen hopefully it will be a fair system that means those who have been flying the longest get the opportunity first, bcos there have been people flying as casuals for around the 4 yr mark & in my humble opinion they deserve it first.

hope that fills in some gaps!

[overhere]

andie74 - thanks very much for your posts, they've been really informative and helpful.

If there happen to be any SYD MAM'ers on the board who would be happy to answer a couple of sydney specific questions can you PM me?

Thanks again,

[andie74]

no probs overhere,

i remember how i felt before i started with MAM- i had so many questions, its a big decision any time you take the chance with a new job. luckily i had an old colleague from Ansett (who i hadnt spoken to for about 4yrs) who was more than happy to answer all my questions & it gave me some peace of mind. So im happy to do the same for others : )

will happily answer any questions

[outback jack]

Hey MAM recruiting again!!! How exciting....wd love to know how the interview process is, what type of questions asked etc....havent been for an interview in a while!!! Been a flt attendant for over 8years n wd love to get back into it. Is the casual flying flexible can u work it around young kids?

[outback jack]

Hey SkySista,
Sounds like a great company to work for!! Wd love the flexibility to work without HAVING to work 20days guaranteed,wd love some info on the company, if possible so i can send them my CV.Thanks

[SkySista]

Andie, thanks SO MUCH for your posts, they have given me lots to work on (also thanks to all who have PMed me with info, you know who you are!! :D)

Outback Jack, I'm just as in the dark as you!! :p Andie among others has the info!!!

Which city are you interviewing in??? Good luck!

Sky

[jesski]

hiiii
well its been awhile since ive been on here, but i got a call from someone at qantas today so i thought id better come check up on everything!
about a year ago i interviewed with Q, frist group then panel and did my medical security and everything, to be told i was on a waitlist for 6 months. which then lapsed and i was told it was extended for another 6 months which i think ends in april? not entirely sure....
anyways so this morning i got a phone call saying that MAM was recruiting and would i like them to fwd my application (which i thought was a little strange because ive answered that question a few times b4!)
so i said yes because casual would suit me fine, and she rambled on to say that as long as i was aware that qantas would NOT be recruiting this financial year, MAM will NOT lead to permanent and i may have to do my medical and sec check again *sigh* at my own expense of course.
she did add that as i have been through the interviews before i wouldnt not need to be interviewed and basically all i needed to do was wait for a phone call from MAM. she also mentioned it would be on a 20 day contract.
the waiting continues...

[andie74]

ah thats interesting Jesski, so they actually said you'd be on contract C, the 20 pre-allocated days.

at least they wont make you go thru the interviews again, thats good news- that would be ridiculous. so fingers crossed for you then!

good luck! : )

[SkySista]

Jesski!! That's fab that you don't have to interview again... that would be a pain after all you've done!! :/

I guess if they told you that you would be on a 20 day contract, then sso will everyone else who's successful... not exactly what I wanted to hear I suppose, but beggars can't be choosers!! I mean I could work 20 days oer month, fine... I just wish there was *some* say in which days... weekends are fine... I just think it's a tiny bit unfair for the same people to do weekends ALL the time... if you could get, say, one guaranteed weekend off per month, that'd be great!!

But, if you want to fly... you gotta fly when the ywant!! :p Don't get me wrong, I'm not being picky... just saying what would be good in an ideal world.. tee hee....!

Oops i better start saving... I sort of forgot you have to pay for medicals and whatnot!!

Tell me... if you already possess an ASIC etc... do they have to security screen you again? Seems a bit pointless, as you've done it already...!

[andie74]

syksista,

your not being picky at all- so far i havent come across 1 single current MAM casual who would consider changing over to this new contract- so trust me your comments arent unreasonable. we all just feel that we already arent exactly casual, and this new contract is even more controlling & restrictive. but definitely give it a go if you think you can make it work for you, and see what you think once your actually doing it.

[jesski]

yeh well the lady on the phone said that they would have to check if both my medical and security check have lapsed and if they have then ill have to do them again! which kinda sucks cos they aren't cheap... well the medical anyway!
i have just paid for a security check for a USA camp counsellor program too.... how much trouble could i have gotten into in the past 6 months?! haha
soooo fingers crossed... just waiting to hear from MAM!
jess x

[SkySista]

Jess, if you don't mind my asking, how much did they charge you for medical/security check etc?? (PM if you want)

Andie, I don't like the idea of the 20 days either, but sadly I think it'll be my only chance of International flying so I may just have to take it and see!!! That is, of course, if I get through.... :ugh:

[Soulsista65]

Hey Andie thanks for all your candid feedback. You paint a realistic picture.

My friends are all happy little mam - vegimites who love everything about casual flying and don't get caught up in the politics - therefore have little info to give on the reason they are recruiting again. (One is still on Contract a and the others are on Contract b - all ex ansetters)

What are your thoughts or anyone elses who may be in the loop, as this seems to be a major recruitment drive?

Xss65:)

[SkySista]

Soul, I was wondering that myself.

Any possibility they are wanting these new-hires to crew across fleets, e.g. work some QF, some JQ Intl, and so on? I know they're supposed to be separate entities but that's the only reason I can see them need huge numbers of new crew.. if, of course, they're hiring huge numbers... :p

Anyone in the know got an idea how many will be attending each session? 30? 60? More? Ta!!

[Nihao]

Hi
This is all very interesting - bit confused with all the Contracts though :confused: Can someone shed some light on roughly how many hours you would get on a 20 day pre-allocated roster? What's the flying like out of Sydney? Many overnights?
Thanks:)

[outback jack]

It seems like contract C, is what the new recruits will sign up for. Well 5days a week is a lot of work for casual crew.I mean contract B seems great 3days......but 5 is like a full time job. Its not really very flexible or casual.

[GorgeousKiwiGal]

Sounds like an awesome set-up to me - the way the roster works, time off and the destinations etc. So I was very pleased to receive an interview invite too. But, unfortunately I can't make it to the interview.

I wish all of you going for the interviews all the very best though :ok: .

Knock 'em dead!

GKG xx

[cokecropduster]

I also heard that they were employing 400 new FAs???

[SkySista]

KiwiGal, thanks for the well wishes!! I'm going to go along and see what happens. But will still be thinking long and hard on whether I accept if it is offered to me. Not sure about this 20 day thing (as I have said numerous times), plus not sure how this will be seen by all the current crew (e.g., being called scabs or whatever because we want to work AND have a life...)

And.. on a similar line to the last poster... would be interested to have some idea of how many days the current MAMers are doing.. as compared to what they were TOLD they would work when they signed up.... Because if it turns out to be one month of 20 days, the 6 months of 3, well, that won't really work, will it?!

[Grove]

By reading these posts it seems like a very one sided affair,on qf side that is. They are employing you as a casual with no staff benifits, have you working as much if not more than permanent staff, no flexability on the employees side., which should be the trade off for being employed as a casual..I dont know, doesnt sound great to me.. 12days a month would be fine but 20 that they choose??
Do they pay any super??
Good luck to all who apply but make sure you know what you are getting youself in for. Seems like the only thing you get is an hourly rate!!

[andie74]

it seems as thought the recruitment drive is in anticipation of the new perm EBA. in the new EBA (if it is voted in) anyone who wants to be part time will get part time- and there are a lot of people who really want part time & are already on a waiting list. so there will be lots of hours left to cover if/when these permanent crew are made part time.

also- (anyone who is perm QF crew pls correct me if im wrong here) at the moment the perm full time crew can attempt to 'dump' some of their hours, but if no one else perm picks them up, and if it cant be covered by casual crew, then it goes back to the person who tried to dump it-which i imagine is quite frustrating! in the new EBA i THINK, that they will be guaranteed that they can dump...so again potentially lots of hours that will need covered.

id say its very unlikely that there is any plan for recruits to be used for Jetstar bcos the MAM contract is currently only with QF not JQ Intl. unless that changes but we certainly havent been advised of anything like that.
hard to say how many hours the 20 day contract will generate- anything from -eg a canberra return as short as 3hrs 40- 4hrs, to a four leg day which is about 9 hrs 40. so the duties could be as short as 4hrs, up to longer days of 9 or more hrs.

cokecropduster, no they cant make people on contract C nreq on one of the 20 pre-allocated days, it has to be a duty. also from what i understand, and what i have heard others say, in that 12th month that you mentioned, it is a month of kinda 'forced' annual leave for a mth. i was a bit hesitant too about how to vote- but i was speaking with a very infomed CSM yesterday who has a law background, and he said that we need to be careful of voting no, then ending up having to negotiate individual contracts under the new Work Choices legislation whic comes into affect at the end of March i think?? but I know that i'll stay on contract B, bcos it suits my lifestyle and im quite happy with the hrs i get most months (80-100). all in all i dont think the new MAM EBA is so terrible, not that much has changed really, they still cant draft us- although it reads at first glance as though they can. now that i know that we cant be forced onto contract C im happy to vote yes- better the devil you know i guess!! :)

skysista, if you are interested in the job, definitely have a go, no one will call you a scab- id be really, really surprised if you ever got that kind of reaction from anyone, or if anyone would even think of you that way at all!! i know i certainly wouldnt- and if anyone did they would just be losers who dont deserved to be listened to in the first place. but i honestly just dont think anyone will ever have that kind of reaction to the new recruits that come through.

in the 15 mths ive been flying, ive probably had about 3 months which werent good for hours. i make myself avail. 4-5 days a week, and usually work all of these (again except for the 3 mths that have been quieter and ive been made Not Required probably 1 day each week). So some months have been quieter than others, but im optimistic that all the new changes will hopefully make more hours available in those quieter months. fingers crossed! :ok:

[andie74]

Grove, yeah we do get paid super. and yeah youre right about the 'casual but not really casual' thing. its one of the things that is said constantly by us casuals- our contract B is obviously much more flexible, but even so, its still not totally casual either. but im quite happy on the current contract, it works ok for me.

[SkySista]

argh this '20 days' thing is doing my head in!! Pity we can't say we'd do like, between 15-20 days per month guaranteed!!! :p Coz it's just... I don't want to be FORCEd to do them... though in most cases i would probably be able to do it happily if they asked. Argh!!! Ok enough ranting from me!!! I'll just think of the flying, and getting somewhere that isn't NZ!!!! :E

[mostie]

Those posting here who are concerned about the rampant casualisation of our workforce would be well advised to educate themselves about the political processes in the is country.

Casualisation is a result of ten years of conservative government.

It won't stop until they are removed from government.

[Soulsista65]

Ah, but is it actually "casual" work that's the product of this regime or rather the conditions under which it is structured????

Let's face it casual work has been around since Moses came down from the mountain and is a wise choice for any business to employ - it can be a win win situation for both employer and employee. It's when it the conditions become convoluted that it begins to push the boundary's .

Cabin crew have been screaming to go Part time/Casual for years - providing that all the perks were still in place. We see ourselves in an environment (politically/economically? driven) where the choice of positions are becoming quite limited.

So......it's horses for courses isn't it. Be under no illusions of any kind when entering into a casual contract. If your passion is to fly and immerse yourself in an exciting working culture like no other, and give the best godamn customer service along the way ....then fly, be a happy casual. :ok:

( N.B. QF's PBS is a luxury when it comes to rostering - Many airlines still hand out blocks to their full time crew with no provision for request)


xxss65

[mostie]

I wonder how many of our MAM casuals are "screaming for" the SECURITY that is afforded by a full time job?

You know the type?

The ones that might what to approach a financial institution to borrow money to buy a car or {heaven forbid} a house.

Casualisation has been "spun" by business as a need for flexability in the workforce.

It is "used" by business to avoid the costs of employing full time.

A THIRD of Qantas's shorthaul crew live "hand to mouth" under these arrangements. Full time positions are no longer available.

A change in federal governement WILL see this trend curtailed.........

[bebek666]

Good luck to everyone going for MAM interviews. I was on an 11month contract form June 2004 to May 2005- QF Long Haul. After the contract ended we were all placed on a short list for 6 months. After the first 6 months they extended it for another 6, which ends in April this year. I will also be going to the MAM recruitment day this weekend. I'm just not sure whether or not I will have to go through the whole interview process again?? It just makes no sense when less than a year ago I was flying long haul with QF and now I have to go through all that again? Can anyone answer my question? Should I contact MAM and ask them?

Thanks :)

[jesski]

bebek-
i was initially interview for the same 11 month contract but it never eventuated, and i was placed on the shortlist and then it was extended too. i recently received a call and was informed that i would most likely not have to interview again but i may have to complete another medical and ASIC check if they have lapsed. i dont see why you would have to interview again if i dont?

[bebek666]

Jesski. Thanks I know..After I read your post I was amazed that I hadn't recieved any phone call from QF. None of my other friends who I flew with, who are also on the shortlist have also not recieved calls from Qantas about MAM either... I think I will try and get in contact with MAM during the week and explain my situation and see what they say. Hopefully I wont have to go through the whole process again! It's so stupid!

Before our contract at QF ended, QF had assured us that they would try and and help us as much as they could by finding us other jobs within the Qantas Group.. Yeah..they really helped alright! NOT!! I mean, we have had to go through this whole MAM thing on our own. They did nothing to help us! We had to apply ourselves. It's so dissappointing and disheartening..and yet we still want to fly with them..

[wa.man]

Just wanting to know if it was possible for M.A.M casuals to transfer from one base to another??...Or is not a done thing

[andie74]

yeah you can transfer. i know a couple of people who have transferred from Syd to Mel since starting. I guess how long it takes is dependant on operational requirements, but yes it is possible.

[wa.man]

Thanx Andie, you are full of all the right answers!!

[overhere]

If anyone has been to a MAM interview this week, could you share what happened? Feel free to PM instead of posting if you like.

Thanks again

[bebek666]

Hi Andie,

Could you please tell me if MAM casuals get given overnight meal allowances. eg: money when they check-in to a hotel on a slip.

Thank you :)

[jesski]

well i got a call today from qantas... but i was at work and missed it! i was just left with a return phone number and they were closed when i got it so ill call first thing in the morning.... im nervous to what they could have wanted!!!
fingers crossed it was good news.....
just had to share with you all hahha

[SkySista]

Yay Jesski, I hope it's good news.

Ha I'm guessing they'd get the same allowances... I mean, can you picture it? "Oh sorry, you can't eat tonight, you're MAM!!" :\

Just wondering if anyone knows... do you get some time to read over the contract if they offer you the job?? And... I second the interview info... anyone who's been recently... would love to know the format they're gonna use/some example questions... is it the pretty standard 'tell us about a time when...' q's??

[jesski]

all they wanted was more money..... $36 for ANOTHER security check. and for me to fill out a form declaring that im still healthy after my last medical.

[sydney s/h]

Hi,
As a QF CSM i hope i can clairfy something.
Shorthaul do not get given any allowance money when they arrive at a hotel in any domestic city. We get whats called DTA. It goes straight into our pay and is worth approx $4.60/hr. Thats from sign on at your home base to sign off at home base of the duty length - regardless if you are flying during that time.
On a regional (and in that i dont mean Dubbo and Tamworth), i mean SIN, HKG, AKL etc... you get that option of taking the allowance money given at check-in by the hotel in local currency, OR you can get that money given in your next paypacket. Your choice. On the Tasman's most crew dont take it, on the Asian sectors all crew do.

Hope that clears something up!
Goodluck with the interview process, it's always abit daunting, but as they say... just be yourself!

Cheers.

p.s. Skysista - are you a F/A with an airline...or just a very in-touch potential F/A?

[stevemelb]

Hi Guys..

Have MAM interview this week. Anyone been through the process in the past weeks. Any idea of how the format is at present? What group activites are they doing now? Also understand there is a role play, any idea on what they ask you to do?

Cheers,

stevemelb

[SkySista]

Syd s/h.... thanks for that info. By 'most crew on Asian sectors take it', do you mean they opt for the local currency option? Or the other way round? (Sorry, I'm not very 'with it' atm...)

haha... I'm with an airline... just not an F/A... yet...:E

I just hope 'in-touch' doesn't mean "Obssessed"! :}

[cokecropduster]

Skysista,

You have no choice, whether to take it or not, on Asian (Regionals) sectors. You must take the money that is suppose to be enough to survive on whilst overseas when you sign on. And, unlike long haul, the money comes from your pay. It is already changed into the currency of the country that you are off to.

The only time that you have a choice is when you do a NZ trip.

Hope this makes sense and helps. Good Luck!:ok:

[lucyjane]

hello,

:O
Im' about to start training in melbourne for a brissy position and I was wondering what to expect. It's all happened so quickly and I would really love a little info before hand. I've not been given any info as yet because I've jumped over from that Australian Airlines wait list. so.. I'l just love to know anything really. Where do brissy mam kids fly to mainly? how long is training, where do we stay, is there a training wage? ...

Thanks a million!

[jesski]

lucyjane
Hi!!
i am about to start training in melb on 4th may for what i hope is a position in brissie too... i havent actually been told where i am going to be based!
i was on a shortlist too i think for AA
anyways
they should be sending you out a package with all sorts of info in it, i got mine today. It tells you how much you will be paid while training (its about $500 a wk) and the duration of the training (about 7-8 weeks) and all sorts of other stuff.
i have not been informed of where we will be staying yet, i was told they would contact me before the end of the month to let me know flight and accom details.
there is a bit of info over on www.cabincrew.com and if you have any questions feel free to pm me, im only just finding this out myself too.
hope u are as excited as i am!!!
jess

[DesertCrew]

Wow, Congratulations to you guys who have got starting dates with QF! You must be so excited! :ok:
Do you know if it is a training group for just BNE based staff or if there will be MEL based crew in it as well? I had my medical nearly 2 weeks ago and Im getting nervous! No news is good news I suppose at this stage though!

Hope it all goes well for you! :)

[GreekAngel]

Hi Im new to this forum - i just thought i would add that i think at the moment they are only training crew for BNE base - and the training is done in MEL or SYD coz BNE dont have the facilities... But i definately see training for MEL base very quick........ Hope this helps.:)

[yt13]

I rec'd an SMS from MAM yesterday asking whether I was interested in attending an assessment day by replying "A" if I was.

I replied and rec'd a call today (seems to be QF in SYD) asking whether I could attend tomorrw or Friday at 8.30am for around 4 hours. They apologised for the short notice, but I agreed to attend.

Any hints on what the day comprises? I've been to a number of QF assessment days and made it thru to the end (panel interview), but have only ever been shortlisted.

Thanks in advance!

[SkySista]

the recent days in Perth had a couple of group activities. Each group had one observer on the table.

Brief chat with assessor re: why you applied.

Group activity (design a poster, sort a group or some other discussion)

Q&A session/video. Maurice Alexander visited, not sure about other cities.

Group activity. Rate or sort a group of people for different jobs, why you picked each of them, present results to room.

Fill out forms, get height mesaured, photo taken.

While the above is going on they call people upstairs for a role play where you are given a scenario. You get 10 min or so to read over it then you go in with one assessor and one observer.

After this you hand in your papers (as most weren't finished filling them out between the role play).. they let you know when you can hear back.

Go home and wait for call!!! :D

[yt13]

Thanks Sis you're a legend!

[GorgeousKiwiGal]

Good luck SkySis!!! I sincerely hope you get the "yes" call soon. And if you do - I hope it's everything you wish for and more. You seem like an awesome woman who deserves to be up there in the sky.

:ok:

[SkySista]

Awww thanks :O

I forgot to say, DON'T stress - I was stressing big-time but the assessors were SOOOOOO nice... they were all really friendly and it wasn't intimidating at all like I'd feared.

If you go to panels they will have one asking questions and one observing/writing (who will ask the odd question)

Mine were absolutely lovely, no problem at all. They didn't ask me any 'tricky' questions at all (unlike the ones I practised with a mate), as long as you've thought about your past work and are prepared with examples of how you've done well and not so well, you'll be fine. Don't be afraid of bringing up times when you did a crap job - I mentioned a few, what I thought I did wrong and how I thought I could do better, and what i did differently the next time to get a good result. They'll see you're willing to learn. And of course a lot of it is in your attitude!!!

Honestly they were the nicest/easiest interviews I have been to yet!!!

Good luck all!!!! :ok:

Sky x

[yt13]

Sky, tried to send you a PM, says your box is full!

[SkySista]

Oops, just deleted a few.... :)

[jesski]

training group at the moment contains MEL BNE and PER base.....

[yt13]

I've got my Panel Interview tomorrow, any tips?

[missleadfoot]

Hello all, another factor hasn't been taken into consideration and that is the demise of Australian and the fate of 312 flight attendants. You are all concerned about your positons as casuals yet we are still unsure where we stand. We are offering 40 places for VR and with no doubt we will get that but where does our future lie? We are secured by our EBA till the end of 2007 but what happens then? We are now being issued with the QF uiniform and luggage and our planes are progressly being repainted into QF colours. We are Qantas, albeit on a different pay scale. We know they cannot make us MAM because MAM is not a QF company but we are able to fly the whole QF network under our award. Scary. Be aware QF crew, this is realty, I dont like it any more than you do but this is the future.

[cokecropduster]

Don't be suprised if MAM casual's become casual's under QF now that the IR Laws are in place. No benefit for the casuals just QF because they won't have to pay the millions of extra dollars to MAM!:ugh:

[Prince Planet]

Hi - newbie here. Question for you MAMers - does anyone know how Qantas Crewing allocate work amongst the MAM casuals across the three different contracts? Do people on Contract C get first priority on an AV day (with no pre-allocated duty) over Contract B and Contract A people for last minute type duties? How does it all work? I'm so confused...:bored:
PS Good luck to all those attending interviews and/or waiting for news :ok:

[mamslave]

hey there

and welcome to the qf/casual world. Apparently contract C will get priority over contract B

saying that however, there are certain people who tend to only get trips, and international flying.

I dont want to start an argument here, but at the end of the day sometimes its who you know, and how good (or bad) you are to crewing

many can vouch for this....! they do need to implement a fairer system

[gigs]

Or how about real terms,money 2500-4000 a year. A fairer system would help Qantas,casuals and full time employees(being upset that they bid for a trip in open time,dont get it and then, a "frequent flyer" gets it!) A fair work force is usually alot more productive. On a more positive note congrats to newbees its a great job i think youll love it and have lots of fun. Cheers gigs

[cokecropduster]

Just a little more info on the C Contract conditions...
1. You get all days (except 3 days that you can request off) out of the month assigned to you by crewing.
2. Guarantee of 85 hours pay each month.

## This is the downer.... You can only work 11 months a year! You must take a month off every year without pay.

Cheers:confused:

[SkySista]

I guess you mean all 20 days per month as stated i nthe contract, as opposed to a 'month' of 30??

And do you know does the monthhave to be all at once, or can you do say, 2 weeks & 2 weeks, or 2 weeks & 1 weekx2??

[cartexchange]

the Carmen system has created a surplus of crew.
Short haul that employ MAM casuals no longer need them.
The latest intake was a total stuff up.
There are so many crew in s/haul that they are requesting them to take additional leave etc.
Forget about Long Haul international, they are also overstaffed, but for some reason they were employing in AKL.
Sorry that QF has been treating you guys like this, but its typical of them.

[Prince Planet]

So mamslave, are you saying Contract B casuals shouldn't hold their breath for much work in future, and Contract A casuals are totally screwed? Contract C casuals are going to be doing most of the casual work are they? With no seniority system amongst the casuals and three different contract types to deal with, it's inevitable that allocating duties is gonna be a total debacle. Surely there must be a fairer system! I hope the FAAA is looking into this. Does anyone know? :bored:

[cokecropduster]

Hey All,

I'm not sure whether it is time to start getting worried but the people that have just been employed on Contract C are Language Speakers and I dare say that they are going to be doing the language trips that (as of July) require a specific amount Language Speakers.

The work this month is REALLY low because the CARMEN system didn't (or probably wasn't programmed to) take into consideration the MAM people...

As for an excess of crew in Short Haul... I think next month (JUNE) is going to be slow too because of the end of the financial year. The new casuals employed are supposed to be covering the work left behind from the Full-timers going into Part-time work (to NEVER return...they won't be able to get back into Full-time).

Hope this helps... :rolleyes:

[west4u]

:ok: I have been a casual for almost 2 years now and have had min of 130 hours a month (max 170) ever since and the money is great, I know some casuals dont get the same hours (dont know why) but I make myself available most of the month, its the best job and I love it.....

[andie74]

West4u youre somewhat lucky if you've been able to get 130hrs every month, 170 is unbelievable! i have to say id never want anywhere near 170hrs ever! way to much... but id say you're in the minority. im also casual, and certainly dont get 130 hrs every month. im avail 5 days every week (including weekends) and on a good month (not that often) could possibly get up to 115- but most months maybe around 80-90, which is crap for full time availability (ie 5 days per week is a full time job).

in general i also think its all been a bit of a debacle!

if its not one thing its another- waiting to see what happens with the full time EBA, the dumping of work, the part timers, waiting to see what happens with the new Carmen system, waiting to see what happens when all the new contract C's start & how that will affect the rest of us............. wot a nightmare.

some of us are looking for/getting other jobs, some will leave, others will keep 2nd jobs. Contract C to me is totally untenable- not at all casual, too restrictive, leaves you with no control over your life, is likely to be used to have people working every weekend/pub holiday for no penalty rates, and forces you into a month with no pay once a year. so of no interest to me at all- id rather leave.

eventually im gonna have to say ok im not prepared to sacrifice my financial future while we wait to see 'how things pan out' with Qantas/MAM. and i guess im kinda already there now.

[Sailorgal]

Am hearing lots of reports from current MAM and QF crew that MAM are planning to advise those of us still waiting that we are 'no longer needed' or that they are 'not going any further' with our applications due to the fact that they over-estimated how many new crew they would need. Anyone hear similar reports or have received an email to this effect yet?

In march i was told i would get 'a final decision' in june, so one way or another there has to be some contact from MAM soon!!!!!!!!!

[FirstClassParis]

Hi Sailorgirl,

I totally understand what you are going through !!! However my situation is slightly different..I was called about 4 weeks ago now by MAM telling me that I had been successfull with my application. They offered me training school which started on the 23rd May in Sydney but unfortunately I couldn't accept due to work commitments. They told me that there would be another training school going through in mid June and would I prefer to be put forward for that course, but they did not have an exact start date, I ofcourse said yes and they informed me that they would call me as soon as they had confirmation of a date.

Now I too have been visiting these cabin crew forums and reading the latest rumours about what's happening with MAM, and of course I can't help but be concerned :rolleyes: It's very disheartening. I know that they are all rumours though which we really shouldn't believe anything until we receive a phone call from MAM themselves.

I hope to God that I have not missed out on this opportunity :{ But please stay positive, I'm sure we will hear something soon. I mean they have to contact us one way or the other. As far as I know, only two training groups have started, now that's not many people, 50 at the most??? And they have just done a recruitment drive which went over 3 months in 4 states, now that's a lot of time and expense for them...

FINGERS CROSSED :)

[P's cousin]

Hey All,

I'm not sure whether it is time to start getting worried but the people that have just been employed on Contract C are Language Speakers and I dare say that they are going to be doing the language trips that (as of July) require a specific amount Language Speakers.

Hi cokecropduster, could you tell me what exactly are the language trips? Do you mean short haul international? Also I'd much appriciate it if you can tell me what's going to happen in July? Thanks.

[cokecropduster]

P's Cousin,

The Language trips are the Regional (International) trips and in July Qantas has made a policy of having at least one or two Language Speakers on the flights that go to places like China and Japan.

Everyone that has gone for the interviews and had their (great!) references and medical done you are basically considered successful from my knowledge. The call or email will come but at a time that Qantas chooses. Most of the time it is a call totally out of left field. Also, the rejection email is normally alot faster!

:) Hang in there all!

PS I heard a rumour that Long Haul are getting casuals now. They are going to be based in AKL and there are several groups in training as we speak...

[SkySista]

CCD, would like to believe that

Everyone that has gone for the interviews and had their (great!) references and medical done you are basically considered successful from my knowledge

but over on the other thread someone in that exact boat has just been given the 'thanks, but no thanks'.... do you think this would be down to the refs not being ip to scratch??

I guess as someone else said before, if you're waiting after a medical/ref check, get on with your life - as soon as you do, Q will come calling!! :E

[P's cousin]

cokecropduster,

Thanks a lot. what you wrote made me feel better considering that I've already done medical etc and I am Japanese. I really hope they'll call me saying I'm successful... I've been waiting for almost 4 months now!


P's Cousin,

The Language trips are the Regional (International) trips and in July Qantas has made a policy of having at least one or two Language Speakers on the flights that go to places like China and Japan.

Everyone that has gone for the interviews and had their (great!) references and medical done you are basically considered successful from my knowledge. The call or email will come but at a time that Qantas chooses. Most of the time it is a call totally out of left field. Also, the rejection email is normally alot faster!

:) Hang in there all!

PS I heard a rumour that Long Haul are getting casuals now. They are going to be based in AKL and there are several groups in training as we speak...

[P's cousin]

High Class Queen,

I think they often do that as far as I know. I was told to have a medical checkup after referee check like you and 4 months later I went to take a language test(as I'm a so-called language speaker) then I met this applicant who were on the same boat but he hadn't done medical or any paperwork yet. So I think it really depends on the person and situation and they don't go through exactly the same procedure on each person. I hope I made sense.

[andie74]

interestingly when MAM recruited a whole lot of us in 2004, we did NOT pay for our own medical- Qantas/MAM paid for it (not sure who, cant remember now). they didnt pay for the hep injections of course, but the medical was defnitely paid for by them. i remember being really surprised and impressed by that.

[cokecropduster]

It is interesting that you have received a NO after you went through the expense of the medical and security check.

I know that the Full-time to Part-time transfers were lower than expected and that will affect the number of groups going through for the moment, but in the long term they are still going to need new people. Once you are on the short-list you are pretty much there on the short-list for 2x6month periods (ie, 6months extended for another 6).

The expense of the medical and security checks have been passed on to the applicants since 2005 from memory. It is another way that the company can save money.:( It is similar to the way Eastern does it.

Hang in there all! I am sure that you will get a call when you least expect it.:D

[SkySista]

A friend (who has done medical, refs, security etc) got a call today from MAM asking her if she had done her medical... after being called earlier over the same thing and telling them she'd done it, they said, oh yes ok, no problem... so does this mean they lost it or something?!

Hope they actually got mine, too!!! :\

[lizzimac]

Hi all,
I have enjoyed reading your posts and wonder if I can get some answers?
I have been for my 1st and 2nd interview last month and have had my referees called. Mam emailed and requested I book my medical which I have done for next week. I was wondering if that means based on the medical being fine if I am in or not? Also if based in sydney does anyone know if you have to park at the longterm and catch the bus across?
I also dont understand that if I am casual is it ongoing or as I have seen some people say is it a one year contract?
Thanks all.:}

[cokecropduster]

Lizzimac,

This is the big question! In the past, once the medical and references have been done and there is no problem then you are basically IN or put on the Shortlist (You can be on the shortlist for ages and then one day out of the blue get a call).

As for the contract; It is a continuous contract BUT as you will be on Contract C you will be only allowed to work 11 months of the year and take one month off without pay.

Everyone that starts with QF has to park at Long Term and catch the bus across. You will be put on a waitlist for the QF Staff Carpark. (Takes around 18months or so to get in).

Good Luck!:)

[lizzimac]

Sorry to be a pest but I am bursting with questions and wondering if you can help answer them?
1. What happens if you are sick and cant work, I know you wont get paid but do they give you another duty and do you always need a certificate?
2. Where in sydney is the training held? What are the hours and is it only weekdays during training?
3. I heard a rumour that you can be phoned at 3am eg and told to be at work by 5-30 for example??
4. I was told the pay is $27 per hour. Do you get penalties on top of that?

Thanks all

[P's cousin]

A friend (who has done medical, refs, security etc) got a call today from MAM asking her if she had done her medical... after being called earlier over the same thing and telling them she'd done it, they said, oh yes ok, no problem... so does this mean they lost it or something?!

Hope they actually got mine, too!!! :\



I received the exactly same phonecall yesterday. I wondered the same thing but hey, at least it's not a NO. :ok:

[cokecropduster]

Lizzimac,

If you are sick then you don't get any pay and they will basically make you available again when you are well. You will normally pick up another trip but it isn't guaranteed of course. It is really important to keep yourself as healthy as possible.
The training is in SYD at the Jet Base and at QCC (H/O).
The training can be over the weekend as well. You might get a few weekends off during the 7 weeks of training. Hours are varied!
The wage is basically 27 plus DTA (duty travel allowance) which brings it up to 30-31 an hour.
You can get a call at 3 in the morning for the first flight of the day, BUT, it is really rare that you will get the phone call that early. You normally know the night before.

:ok:

[Butterfield8]

Most of you are being treated like rubbish during the recruitment process.
Doesnt this give you a heads up about what it like working for these people?
Believe me you will be depressed before you finish training.
You are seen as fodder....nothing more nothing less.
Sorry to be so blunt but thats the reality of it all
:ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

[flyboynath]

Hi everyone,

I have just discovered this site and it's been great reading all the advice and opinions, thanks to all.
I am now at the end of the process for MAM, having done my medical 2 months ago and refs were checked early last month. Now, I sit waiting, I was told 2 weeks ago, IF I was successful, that there was a class in June (date was yet to be confirmed at the time).
So, does anyone know what the deal is with the class 23 June? I know of 2 people who are on the course - both are language speakers. Is it only language speakers in Sydney being hired?
I don't even know if I am successful yet, there are alot of us in the same boat I know. If anyone has any new info to pass on that would be great!

Butterfield8 - I know exactly what you are saying, I ask myself the same question all the time! I was one of the original Adecco AKL Based and the way I see it, things can't be any worse than the conditions we endured - not to mention the treatment we received from the SYD Based crew! So I'll stay positive about this, but I really do understand your point.

[FirstClassParis]

flyboynath,

I know one person who was offered the June 23 training course and is not a language speaker....

[flyboynath]

Thanks FirstClassParis,

So have you been offered a place? I would have expected you to get a call after being offered a place in May?

[FirstClassParis]

Well you would think so, but NO! They havn't called me????:confused: I'm just dumbfounded..They did say they would call me as soon as they got confirmation of the next course date, but no phone call as yet :ugh:

Honestly, It doesn't surprise me though..They are renound for putting people through this process and you just never know what they are up too.. It would just be nice for them to send perhaps a courtesy email to everyone who has compeleted the whole process and waiting for some knowledge on the status of their applications..But No, they can't do that :bored:

[flyboynath]

I'm sure you will be fine, it seems the right hand is at a loss to what the left hand is doing at times. I have emailed them now, so will see what kind of response I get. They have been really good in responding to me in the past (I think that is due to the fact they "misplaced" my file previously and they feel sorry for me...haha).

I'll let you know what response I get and keep your chin up, I'm sure they will call you anytime now.

[FirstClassParis]

Flyboynath

Thank you :) Thank you, I really hope that they don't let us down...

Good luck and let me know if you get a response to your email..What did you actually email them about?

[flyboynath]

Ok, just got a call from them. My file is still in review.... I wonder if that is a standard response?

She wouldn't confirm weather I had a chance for the June class, but did go onto to say they are still in the process of filling the class.

Let us know if/when you hear. Keeping my fingers crossed for us both!

[FirstClassParis]

Well I guess that's a pretty positive sign :) It's just nice to at least hear something... Good luck :)

[SkySista]

Hey guys, I strongly suggest that if anyone is trying to decide between MAm and another opportunity to think really really carefully.... I have... do the benefits outweight the cons?? What are ESSENTIALS for you, and what are 'live withs'??

I know each person is different and there will be some to whom the whole 20-day contract C thing is suited, others though (who want t ostudy or do something else etc) would be wise to sit down and list the pros and cons of each...

I was really excited about the opportunity with MAM at first but now I'm not so sure I'd be jumping to take it... as much as I want to go o/s, I'm not going to accept really crappy conditions for it - or undermine anyone elses!!!

Just my opinion.... :O

[flyboynath]

Hi SkySista,

I couldn't agree with you more, the contract and the conditions that go with it arn't for everyone. For me, they suit me just fine for the time being, and the way I see things, if my priorities change - well, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

But as already mentioned throughout this thread, people really need to think seriously before they accept a position with MAM. By collating as much information as possible, it looks like it will really work for what I want out of it and so I will accept an offer (if I'm lucky to get one) and accept the conditions that go with it.

All I can say to you is get as much info as possible, but be very clear where possible the difference between fact and personal opinion, and go from there. You'll make the right decision and anything you decide has to be right for you. Good Luck!

[flocker]

I have also had my medical in the last 2 weeks and waiting...
I dont think much will happen for any of us in the short term as the Airline industry is currently in its lowest season and in order to have us in a training school it needs to be followed up by work straight away....
I am tipping training schools will not be happening much to late Aug early Sep when the industry starts to get back to its peak giving the chance to casuals to get up and running....
Heard from someone already working for MAM...have done in past.
No use training new recruits until they are fully operational...
Peace man..:)

[High Class Queen]

hi guys, I am still waiting had my medical 1 week ago now. I am wondering if they are going to need more casuals as I have heard a rumor that they don't need as many casuals as they anticipated because of operational requirements. I was wondering if anyone currently working for mam could tell me if they are needing a whole lot of people? I have also heard that MAM are going through a huge recruitment drive and are needing heaps of people. I have been hearing a few different things so I'm not sure what to believe. Andie, I have been reading your responses, they are very informative, thanks for that. I was also wondering if during training do you train with people from different bases or just people from the same base as you? Also how many people can they have per training class? Or per school? I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could answer my questions, Thankyou.

[FirstClassParis]

Morning Flyboy :)

Well still no news from QF...:confused: Very disheartning... Have you heard anything else???

[flyboynath]

Good Morning FirstClass! ;)

I have heard nothing either, extremely disheartening. This has to be the week we all start to hear something... anything at all! :(

Check your PM's!

[FirstClassParis]

Flyboy I hope you're right!!!

Check your PM's :)

[SkySista]

Got a 'missed call' this morning, could have been them, but probably not...

You'd think they'd know by now if they want us or not... or at least tell us if we're in the group that will go 'on hold' for 6/12/18 months...

Oh well. It'll be their loss when someone else gives me a job offer first!!! :E

[flocker]

Hi First Class... 1 week is not very long compared to some who have had to wait many months.
I work in the industry and speak to q/f flighties all the time....
the only school coming up far as I know is the one next week.
Its currently the lowest season of the year and in order to train new recruits they need to have work for them straight away...not so at the moment.
A lot of my work mates who are full time perm with QF are not flying at the moment because of too many staff on the planes so they are sitting at home just earning the base....
I think we will hear something sooner than later...
But I get the feeling most of us will end up on a list as the ft/s go p/t and the true impact of our need from the short haul EBA starts impact in our favour.
It will probably be next please from that list for most of us ... that is already starting to happen...I have been told by most of my crew pals we have to be patient as it is all a question of timing and the timing for us from there point of view is currently not all that urgent...
The process is being done for QF needs long term...not short term.
Good luck!

[flyboynath]

Is there an echo in here???

I think FirstClass has a very good reason to be disheartened. FirstClass has already been offered a start date back in May, but was unable to attend. Then to be told "We will be in touch to advise of a start date in June", only to hear there is a class going ahead, but no call!

We are all aware of what crew are saying, we all have flying friends, we are all aware it's a long term thing, we have been told I don't know how many times about this being a quiet time, but this forum is here for us to have a vent every now and again, is it not?

[flocker]

Thats the airline business...always has always will be..
As difficult as it may be, dont allow yourself to be broken by something that has never been any different or you have no control over.In the end you only hurt yourself...
Get on with your life guys for your own sake and remember he who expects nothing is never disappointed...
I know its easier said than done guys but quite simply if you are not working get out and get another job and stop thinking about it...

[GreekAngel]

yes flocker u are correct.. I have been a casual at Qantas now over 2 years and never has it been so quiet...its actually depressing . I dont have a second job and nor do i want to do anything else - its so ironic u finally find and get what u wanna do with ur career - but its not quite how u want it.. I love my JOB so much and its great however it does get to you when its like this...Its very disheartning when all u ant to do is work in the job u love with security and benefits and the abilty to get a home loan....like everybody else there.....THanks John Howard Love u like a coldsore......:mad:

[speedbirdhouse]

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"Thats the airline business...always has always will be.."

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What COMPLETE and utter rubbish.

I have almost 20 years in this business and sitting around waiting for the phone to ring and living week to week with no guarranteed income is most definitely NOT the norm.

Rampant casualisation is a recent development and a function of the Howard government. It is a means by which employers can reduce the pay and conditions of employees.

It also serves to create a more "compliant" workforce.
The type who are terrified of speaking their minds lest they be sacked or not given work at the whim of their employer.

Those wishing for a life in this industry [and others] beyond being a "means of production" ought to exercise some thought when voting at the next federal election.

[gigs]

correctamundowe!!!!

[flocker]

My apologies to first class my email was meant to be to high class who has only had her medical a week a ago...
my email was very much about first class and others who have been waiting for ages...
I very much agree you should be annoyed ...
Hope you get some good news soon!

[flyboynath]

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"Thats the airline business...always has always will be.."

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What COMPLETE and utter rubbish.

I have almost 20 years in this business and sitting around waiting for the phone to ring and living week to week with no guarranteed income is most definitely NOT the norm.


Rampant casualisation is a recent development and a function of the Howard government. It is a means by which employers can reduce the pay and conditions of employees.

It also serves to create a more "compliant" workforce.
The type who are terrified of speaking their minds lest they be sacked or not given work at the whim of their employer.

Those wishing for a life in this industry [and others] beyond being a "means of production" ought to exercise some thought when voting at the next federal election.

Look, I don't think this thread needs to get political. :ugh:

[REDRATA330]

Dont worry, the VR package is out and fingers crossed we will lose a number of old boilers like speedbirdhouse. 20 + years, move on and let some new blood in. Thats what management want and will get:eek: :eek:

[DesertCrew]

Hi all,
I too had my interviews back in March and have been waiting, waiting, waiting and now finally some news!
I just got an email advising me that I had been put on the short list for 6 months! I understand that it is very quiet now so hopefully its the best result possible at the moment.
Is anyone else in the same boat? Would love to hear from you!

[P's cousin]

Hi all,
I too had my interviews back in March and have been waiting, waiting, waiting and now finally some news!
I just got an email advising me that I had been put on the short list for 6 months! I understand that it is very quiet now so hopefully its the best result possible at the moment.
Is anyone else in the same boat? Would love to hear from you!

Congrats! I am on the same boat as you, though I've been shortlisted for 4 months now. I don't mean to put you off but I am trying not to think about it, like I focus more on my current job and current life instead of daydreaming about it because there are no certain information around and they don't contact me at all. Someone who's already working for MAM told me before that just because you are shortlisted, it does not promise that you would start in the 6 months like he had to wait for more than 1 year. Anyway I'd like to believe that it's just a matter of time, my fingers are crossed for both of us!

[flyboynath]

Good work guys, at least you know you haven't been forgotten about...great stuff.

I have still heard nothing, but I have a few other things in the "pipeline" which is keeping me busy.

Best of luck to all.

[DesertCrew]

Hi everyone,

I just got the dream phone call! I start trainig next month! I am in shock and so happy that Im a bit speachless! After Friday's email I thought to myself, if I hear from them before xmas I will be happy but I never expected 4 days later! Don't give up hope everyone your phone call may be just around the corner!
Good luck to you all, hope to see you in training school!

[mez_19]

Congrats DesertCrew!!!!! I got the dream phone call today too!!!! I feel like I am in some sort of dream. I've been waiting for over 4 years for this phone call, and been given the 'sorry, but you have been unsuccessful' email so many times. So when they rang today I thought someone was pulling my leg :) Where are you training? Melbourne? Anyone else get the phone call? All the best for those playing the waiting game. Hang in there!!!

[left-right-out]

Hey! Congratulations to you both! Where will you both be training and which base did you nominate?
Looking forward to meeting you both!:ok:

[High Class Queen]

It's good to see some action happening. Congratulations to you guys that have heard. I was wondering if you could tell me where you guys are from- are you from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane or Perth? Please let me know as I would like to know if anyone is getting in from my city. Thanks:D

[DesertCrew]

Hi,
Thanks everyone. :ok:
The training is in Melbourne for myself, Im not sure about Mez 19. Im absolutely stoked. Ive flown before so the thought of getting back into the air is giving me goosebumps, I cant wait!
I hope you all hear soon. Waiting is a terrible thing but its definatley worth it once the call comes.
Hope to see u all soon and put a face to some names!
Mez, PM me

[Skygal]

Hi guys,I currently am a flight attendant, and have been reading all of these posts about MAM....and am really want to know what they are so I can apply.Thank you

[left-right-out]

MAM stands for Maurice Alexander Management. It a company that is contracted within the aviation industry to supply staff.
Currently their largest client is Qantas Shorthaul, where they recruit and supply casual flight attendants. You can find out more info and apply at www.mam.net.au

I hope that this answers your question.:ok:

[ratstej]

Question?

What is the difference between Applying through MAM via their website and the Qantas Vacancies on the QF Website? are they the same or different?

cheers

[I Just Want To Fly]

MAM Website- There is a vague chance of getting to a recruitment day.

Staff CV Website for QF - At this stage they are only using this to source applicants for QF Link.

[skyhigh782]

Hi Guys,
Has anyone heard of the process of MAM recruitment?? My friend had an interview on the 24th of March for Mel base, has completed her medical and reference checks and still no news. Can anyone help on the very long process of it.:ugh:

[SkySista]

Hi,

If you do a search there's heaps been posted recently on MAM - a lot of people are in the same boat as your friend. Hang in there though, people have been called in the last few days who went in March...! :ok:

[JB_OZ_AVIATOR BUFF]

I know of current MAM FA's who are not getting any hours and havent flown now for over 4 weeks. The industry is changing... ...

[Letsfly]

A lot of current MAM Fa's are resigning as there are no hours. They are either leaving for other airlines overseas or getting jobs in hospitality.

[P's cousin]

Congraturations for those who got accepted! You must be so so excited..!:D Also, I thought they are basically calling applicants by the order of shortlist but apparently not. I can't help but a bit shocked by this fact. Let's hope that we're next those who are still waiting, my fingers have been crossed so tight for so long I think they look kind of blue-ish now. lol

So the training is in July. I wonder if they have already filled that one or still under process..

[andie74]

Letsfly & JB_OZ, i couldnt agree more. i just dont see the logic behind MAM hiring more people. there simply isnt enough work as it is.

i kinda feel bad for people who are applying and now being told they have ground school dates- bcos i was SOOOO excited 18mths ago just like you guys when i started training with MAM. But im sorry to say it hasnt really been a totally positive experience. Yes the people ive met and freinds ive made have been fantastic, the actual work itself is great too- but the reality of being a casual flight attendant with MAM/Qantas is really not something id recommend to anyone.

My close girlfriend initially had interviews etc with MAM a few months ago, but bcos i care about her and bcos of my experience as shes seen it, we've had a few long chats about the pros & cons, and she decided not to pursue it any further. she the same age as me (31) and just like me would like some stability with money, and finances etc- which we just have not had with MAM.

i guess if nothing else its an exciting experience that even if you only do it for a year or so once in your lifetime then its something to remember. theres been lots of good stuff- but unfortuantely its been tainted by struggling to pay bills, counting all your pennies and dealing with your own questions of 'when do i leave and say enough is enough' and hanging in there 'just a little bit longer bcos this month wasnt so bad' to see if it will improve. for me and a few of my friends, right about now is when enough is enough. i dont want to sound like im being negative when people are so excited- bcos that seems so mean.....but honestly if you have serious financial issues like a mortgage, or something along those lines, pls think seriously about giving up a secure job/wage to take up with MAM. If you have no financial commitments then i guess you have the luxury of just taking a chance!

i just hope people are aware of what the situation is so they dont get a huge disappointment down the track.

[mamslave]

have been with mam nearly 4 years, and im glad to say I am resigning! Its not the job but the company which makes me unhappy. Its the handballing between qantas and mam regarding issues which is most annoying. Also the fact that they make you not required, and all of a sudden you get a txt msg. "we need crew this weekend etc etc" Well I am not ringing up crewing to make myself available. You decided to make me non av, you can deal with the problem!

I am not jaded or angry, i am past that. I am so happy to have made my decision and lined up a job elsewhere to go to. Guys all I can say is no matter how good the money is, at the end of the day if you are not happy leave. Its the best decision I have ever made, sure I will miss flying, my mates there, but i wont miss the early starts!, the bitching between casuals, and the blatent bull**** from cabin crew management and maurice!

how much notice does one need to give?

[flyboynath]

Mamslave,

It certainly is a shame it has come to that. I myself am waiting on a few other opportunities to come through, but regardless of the outcome I don't see myself flying with MAM. Having said that, I won't entirely rule it out.
Don't spend your hard-earned, consistant, guaranteed income all at once!

Best of luck back in the real world and thanks for all the advice/info you have given us hopefuls.

Flyboy

[SkySista]

Hey guys, I've been offered a g/s with MAM for QF.... after much soul searching and agonising over whether I'm doing the right thing I have decided to politely decline... I've had another offer which for me personally suits me much better and the company just seems to 'fit' better - everything has happened when they said it would and I feel like 'me' and not a number.

As lovely as everyone on the recruitment team (and my fellow applicants were) I feel I have to do what is right for me at this point in time and sadly it's not MAM... I will see if I can go on a list or something as I'd still love to work for them down the track, but at the moment it's just not possible!!

Thanks everyone for all of your help, advice and so forth, and for giving us both sides of the coin to look at. Wish you all success whether you are just starting with MAM or are now looking for your next adventure!!! :ok:

Cheers,

Sky

[lizzimac]

Have you really thought this thru? Where were youu ssupposed to traain? You may live to regreet this. You are only young once dont forget!

[left-right-out]

Hey there! Just thought I would share my excitment also! I and 2 of my friends have been offered a training school starting on 18 July.
Very happy to be making this move and I have thought through the terms and conditions very carefully! At this point in my life the MAM Casual conditions suit me perfectly. I wish all of you still waiting the best of luck! hang in there, it will happen. To those of you who have also had positive news, I look forward to meeting you all out on line!:ok:

[I Just Want To Fly]

Sky Sista,

As a fellow serial airline applicant, I was very surprised to read your post. I'm sure you have your reasons, be them career, lifestyle or financial. I hope you have really considered what it is you really want in life, rather than what is the right thing to do. Sometimes you need to sacrifice things to follow your dreams, but then again, some things are not worth the sacrifice.

I'm leaving my dog, wish I could say "Sexy Boyfriend", my mortgage, my family, my friends, the Aussie SUN, a $95K job, to go all the way to London to fly for a discount airline, wearing an bright orange shirt! :yuk: Will it be worth it...? :confused: :confused: Ask me in 6 months! If not, I can always come back, and pick things up where I left them... even the job...

Good luck with whatever you decide to do in the future. Although we have not communicated directly, your support and advice to wannabes is invaluable.

:D You are an asset to pprune!:D

[sydney s/h]

A lot of current MAM Fa's are resigning as there are no hours.


Really? I know maybe 2-3 and thats it.

No hours? Most casuals i work with are up over the 100hrs for June.

Oh, but then again you have to make yourself available to actually get called.;)

[wa.man]

With so few hours[as read in this post] how are they going to gaurentee the new recruits on contract C twenty days a month...Doesnt add up??

[gigs]

All heart S/Shaul,your post would appear to reflect an opinion. A casual employee who has been made "not required" due to operational needs forcasting they are not needed may make them selves "AV" meaning 24hrs call out not paid, 2 hrs minimum to base, to be directed to be sent where ever!...A casual employee who has volunteered AV status may not withdraw this status without 48 hrs notice. Hours worked are about 80 to 97 max if you elect say 5-6 days off a month in June,the other days worked would be under the above conditions. The amount leaving to go to another overseas based company is much higher,more for the travel and experience one would imagine.........And for your info i dont like typing,:) my letters are from a back ground of dictation so for you to post about ones typing skills,grammar etc which you have done in the past dosnt contribute to the debate/discussion.......GalleyHag??????????????? Cheers gigs oh yeh! capitals Gigs.

[sydney s/h]

Gigs - you do not need to explain the whole AV/Not req'd thing to me. I am aware of how the casual MAM system works.

As far as opinion, its not my opinion, its what casuals are saying. Most of them (i worked with) say that they are working over 100hrs.

What any of this has to do with spelling etc is beyond me. And galleyhag? You lost me half way through your post.

Just remember, some...and i mean some casuals think they are owed 100hrs or so each month. You are required whenever the company needs you. When they dont need you, you dont work. Casual workforce. What does suck is that QF havent made more of you fulltime. However, thats the decision Geoff has made.
I'm pretty sure that you were aware of all that when you signed up to work at QF.

[cart_elevator]

I know a lot of MAM crew are hoping for permanent work with Qantas but have you considered jetstar International?

On their website they are taking applications for direct entry CSM's for their 'widebody operations'.

I would think that any MAM crew would have a great advantage with all your experience on QF's A330's, as they are the aircraft Jetstar will start with!

Fortunatly I now have a full-time job with QF but if I were casual I would jump at the chance of a direct entry longhaul CSM job :ok:

[SkySista]

Lizzimac, I have given this a LOT of thought, and put my thoughts on paper and thought it through from lifestyle, financial, 'right thing to do' and 'follow my heart' points of view.

In all cases my decision was the same - MAM was not for me as I had previously thought. I know some of you here who tried/are still trying to get in may find my decision hard to comprehend, but in the end it was the right thing for me to do in all of the above respects, not only for my financial and career satisfaction but for my personal wellbeing as well.

As for 'doing what I always wanted to do', yes, I will be doing that too! :ok:

IJWTF, thanks for your kind words. rest assured I am doing what I want to do, which just happens to also be what I feel is RIGHT for me to do!! I still get to do the job I always wanted (flying) but I get so much more than that too! All the things you mentioned which are important to me like lifestyle, feeling accepted and valued by my company, etc.

It's great to see so many of us finally getting the good karma from all of our trying and waiting and preparing by getting flying work - wish you all the best in your o/s adventure, rock the orange!!! :} (Oh, and be sure to swap your funny flying stories with us, ok?! :E)

[fly_guy100]

Why does the online application when applying for a FA position have a section for United States citizens, does this mean US citizens can apply? Will QF help w/ the perm. residency.

[I Just Want To Fly]

No they don't. Staff CV also processes applications for US carriers, and that is why that section is there.

Who knows though, there might be QFUSA one day...

[gigs]

syd/s/haul some stuff you get some you just dont but,,good on you for replying ..re..typing skills short memory i guess..???/no we were not made aware of all this as such in my vintage...cheers s/haul gigs.

[flocker]

I am sorry to say guys after having spoken to a number of MAM F/As in recent days those looking for a career with MAM should think very carefully before leaving any permanent position for what appears now to be a very casual one with MAM...I have been told the hours are decreasing as more casual come on board and even those on contract c with 20 gauranteed days per month are not making enough to survive...One q/f flightie told me yesterday that they need stacks of casuals so they can have people at short notice with many in reserve..an essential industry needing to have someone at the moment that is required....extremely necessary to have an abundance of staff than not enough...he warned me to warn others THINK CAREFULLY and dont risk a secure permanent job for something that could ruin you financially....
For those of you who have never worked on a casual basis casual work is soley to the advantage of the employer and the more casuals the less work especially with big employers needing to have lots of people in reserve on the books....also remember s/h is nothing like L/h and has hardly any opportunity to enjoy the travel aspect with mostly quick turn arounds;;;its almost like a standard hospitality job.
Good luck guys but please think before you jump as they sound like a pretty awlful employer from what I am hearing with no regard for its casuals....Its all consistent feedback.

[flocker]

Be careful about your decision to join MAM guys...
A qf flightie told me yesterday there will be an abundance of casuals in supply decreasing the hours which appears to be already happening even those on contract c...he told me dont leave a perm job for this or you could be in serious financial strife..
They need heaps of casuals in reserve to always have someone at short notice...its set up for the employers need not ours..they also sound like a terrible company to work for from what is starting to be consistent about what is being said from people who work for them...

[ChristineMAM]

hi, i had my MAM interview on 15th May and completed the entire process in the following days - medical, etc.... now its been like 2 months and i havent heard a thing! Does anyone know of a training group coming up??? Are they likely to call or does anyone have a contact number???

[High Class Queen]

Hi ChristineMAM,

I like you have been waiting the same amount of time as you and I still haven't heard a thing. No news is good news. I did hear though that there will be a ground school in August in Brisbane and that they intend to put another 45-50 through this ground school. I recently got a call from them saying that my file was under review. I don't know about other cities though, can I ask where you are from?

[ChristineMAM]

I am from Brisbane and you? Thats great that you got a call to say your file is under review - i have not had a call since completing my medical. Do you know the date the August training starts? Would be fantastic to just know!!!! I wonder seeing as i have not been called they are no longer interested...

[sydney s/h]

Hey flocker,

You say that QF sounds like a terrible company to work for, from what you hear.

Is this being said by the MAM casuals? If so, it doesnt matter as they dont work for QF.

And why is Qantas terrible?
Because they dont give these people staff travel, or 125hrs each month, or the days off they want, or the fact they are language speakers and aren't doing a Hong Kong trip each week?

Wake up. Tell us the reasons why.

And please remember in your explanation that if it is the MAMer's complaining then they are CASUAL contractors and keep that thought in-mind when responding.

[High Class Queen]

Hi ChristineMam,

My friend who was offered a job with them in Brisbane wasn't able to start in July as it was too early of notice for her current job so she is training in August in Brisbane. She still doesn't know the exact date but apparantly there is a training school every month. I'm not sure though it that is correct but that I've heard that from a few people. Someone else that I have heard of who is training in Brisbane currently was told that they were going to have another 2 or 3 training classes just for Brisbane. These are things that I have just heard, but keep positive and I'm sure it will be good news for you soon.

[GreekAngel]

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!! Ive been with Qantas as a MAM casual aover 2 years now and have had the time of my life...Its AMAZING,,, Of course i would love full time but for the moment iis what it is... Some of u people are too dramatic and make up your own stories and have these weird theories on Employment and hours ect...Allocations make sure they have enough crew too cover their flying needs they would never hire people and have them just sitting around.... There is more Regional flying coming over too short haul anyway one the LOng Haul redunduncies are proccesed... Just chill out and enjoy it - if its an issue for you or traumatising you that much then maybe u should be looking at another job - not being rude just stating facts and being realistic.....As i said i love my job - but the drama and the bickering from other casuals is soooooooooooooo draining and negative its kinda sickening... So head down and block all the crap...Happy Flying...:D

[Bizzi_Boi]

Well said GreekAngel, I have been flying for over 2 yrs as a MAM casual and logging on to PPRUNE to read some of the comments in this forum, I would suggest that people need to post facts not rumours or dramatic stories heard from other FA's and not from the direct source.

Yes, it is true that some months the hours are low and income can be unstable but that was something we were all made aware of when we accepted a casual position with no pay or hour guarantee. I recall in my panel interview, being asked financially would I would be okay if in a 2 week period, there was less than 10 hours work? I was well warned during the interview process.

Trust me, I understand how much stress can be brought on by financial worry, and YES I have been found counting my last pennies some months when the work has not been there. But overall, the work always balances out from month to month.

All these suggestions in this forum of 'heaps' of crew leaving MAM due to low hours, is a dramatic rumour. Honestly I have heard of only a few.

As for those of you out there waiting to hear from MAM/QF if you have been accepted. Just be patient, we have all been there. I recall waiting 2 months for an answer. So I certainly understand your frustration. But the best advice is not to put all your eggs in one basket. Just play the waiting game, as hard as it is to do. I wish you all luck, with your applications. It is a great job, and MAM really is a good company to work for. At the end of the day, MAM is a labour company, meeting the requirements of QF to hire labour, so don't expect anything over and above but a great job flying when and where QF needs you.

Anyone who wants to PM me, feel free. I will do my best to answer any questions.

Cheers,

Bizzi_Boi

[High Class Queen]

It is great to hear that mam is a good company to work for. It is reasonable to believe this as the last 2 posts are from actual employees of MAM. I don't think it is fair for people to get on here and say all these bad comments yet they don't even work for the company itself. I am still waiting to hear from mam and if I get offered a job I will be very greatful for the opportunity. Also having worked as a casual for 6 years, you still have the opportunity to become financially stable. There are ways you can go about it. I have tried the banks for a home and investment loan and even though I am casually employed they were still prepared to approve a loan for a reasonable amount. I'm sure most people wouldn't have any trouble because banks actually do want your business. But everybody is different. It would be good if any employees of mam could share their experiences about the flying involved, what sort of routes short haul casuals do etc. Thanks

[High Class Queen]

Just wondering if anybody has heard any good news from mam yet? If so please let us know

[High Class Queen]

Bizzy Boi,

Thanks for the helpful information that you sent in your message. I would have sent you a message back but I don't know how!

[ChristineMAM]

Hi,
I still havent heard a thing! I want to call again, but I only called like a week ago - this wait it awful..... i just wish we could be given a time frame..... a friend of mine who started training this month told me there is someone in their class who waited 2 years for the call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flocker]

Hi Guys..
I dont want to disallusion any one but the writing is on the wall...
with such a huge recruitment drive currently happening the hours have to reduce ...do the maths guys ...more casuals must equal less hours...
It is no rumor and i personally know of at least 10 mamers who have left in recent weeks for being screwed.
My information is coming also directly from qf staff having worked for qf for years.
SO DO NOT sacrifice a permanent job for this guys...
Take my advice,,
Good luck on whatever you decide.
Flocker.

[Bizzi_Boi]

Flocker,

Thank you for your insight. But can I bring something to your attention.

Everytime MAM/QF have hired more casuals, the hours have not decreased. Given our rosters are primarily made up of FWAO (Duties dropped by full-timers). And the Full-Time EBA was aimed at achieveing 100% of duties requested to be dumped to be picked up. First round being offered to full timers then onto casuals. In order for this to be 100% they need enough resource coverage for that, and also full-timers who have gone part-time, sick leave coverage and of course ad-hoc situations.

2 years ago, FWAO was not here. And I still did 130hrs a month based on sick leave coverage. They have hired a lot since I started and the hours are still up.

We are again at a stage where MAM sends us sms to our mobile phones requesting people who are interested to work on NON AV days. So I know where your thought pattern was going when you do the maths, but the rules don't apply here.

To add to it, we still have resources shortages in all bases. And the new casuals (being mostly language speakers) are to cover the regional flying primarily.

Anyone think any different?

Cheers,

Bizzi_Boi

[GreekAngel]

Bizzi Boi Love ur thoought pattern... Its still people writing negative stuff in here.. Its actually quite funny.....
:rolleyes:

[andie74]

heres some more info from an actual mam casual....

im in the process of leaving, bcos after almost 2 years, i cant be bothered anymore with the unreliability of the work/hours. i was NEVER told we could do less than 10hrs per fortnite by anyone. yes, we were told it was casual, but the reality of actually working a casual job that still requires 12days per month and then trying to possibly fit in a second job to supplement your hours is really fairly difficult unless you have a job where you work for yourself. going to work 3 or 4 days a week to do 4.5 hour syd returns (0515 sign ons) started to become very tiresome. and personally i dont agree with making yourself AV without a paid av span and waiting around for hours to maybe get work- yeah sometimes you will get work, but how many hours of free home reserve does Qantas gain by casuals doing this???

i wouldnt agree that the work has always balanced out from month to month for me. i agree that some months have been great, and yes perhaps people like greek angel & bizzi boi are happy to accept the lows & highs simply bcos they love flying that much-but everyones different- and maybe my priorities have changed in the last 2yrs too. i dont want to always be guessing how much money i might have anymore. when i started flying with MAM the hours were much better, and i was told by a 'long time mam'er' that they were doing good hours consistantly.

i wish everyone luck that is applying/being accepted....just bcos its not for me anymore doesnt mean its not for others. you'll make some great friends, you'll have fun times onboard with workmates, and when the hours are there you'll make some good money- but just to re-iterate what a few others have said, think wisely before leaving well paid secure jobs- however if you've got nothing to lose then you've got no problems.

i wish i didnt feel the need to leave, but i dont want another 12mths of 'some month are fine- others are woeful'. i dont feel like i was ever lied too in the recruitment process, i acknowledge that we are casual, yes i agreed to a job that has 12 mandatory days- but as stated above, the reality of actually living under these conditions is different once your doing it day to day- after 20mths it just doesnt make me personally happy. so rather than stick around and just going thru the motions of a job that doesnt make me happy anymore im leaving - just like i would do in any other job!

[ChristineMAM]

Is there anyone out there from the May interviews either still waiting or heard lately?

Does anyone know how long the general wait is? 3 months?

[High Class Queen]

Anyone heard any news from Mam yet

[Fingers Crossed]

This might be a silly question but is there a huge pay difference between a MAM casual and a QF full time. I mean for example if you are both doing
130hrs for the month? Also I couldn't imagine living on 10hrs wage for any length of time. I can see why alot of MAM casuals are getting annoyed and disgruntled.

[GalleyHag]

I dont know how this will effect MAM casuals, however the following information was received by short haul cabin crew from the FAAA on 4 August, 2006 and applies to permanent cabin crew:

SHORT HAUL CABIN CREW SURPLUS

On Wednesday 2nd August an urgent meeting was held with Qantas to discuss their stated surplus

At the conclusion of the meeting it was agreed that a notice would be issued to crew on a range of initiatives. These include:

· Temporary Part time in 6 month blocks

· Leave without pay in 6 month blocks

· Additional annual leave and long service leave opportunities

· A limited voluntary redundancy program

The Association is yet to finalise details on the various initiatives. Once details are available they will be issued accordingly.

[Tuner 2]

MAM course for SYD running August 24th and a course for MEL running August 25th.
Good luck.

[Gomam]

are they just trying to get rid of full timers?

How come casuals have been receiving txt msg every weekend for the last month, advising they are short?

how come so many new training schools are going through?

Or Mam/QF is it just a ploy to get rid of B contract casuals?

[skyestorm]

hey everyone. just wondering if anyone knows about perths recruitment...anybody getting in/progressing? when the training schools are, and how many people do they have per training school.
i've heard a few people in brisbane have just received some positive emails incase any of you guys were wondering.....

[hornscorp]

Hi Everyone

I feel that MAM and QF are filling up with the new Cat C casuals so they have a back up for when they offer VR to the full time Short Haul crew. The Cat C are gteed 20days a month which works out to approx 25-30 hours aweek which at the rate of pay and DTA added in is about 1600-2000 a fortnight .... Not bad i think. Yes they will end up working most weekends but hey i would for that type of money .....

I also know and feel that they are filling with Cat C so they can get rid of a few of the Cat A and B that are not working out while having people to fill the gaps..... This is not a bad thing ......

Hope this helps a few who are sitting on the fence wondering whether to apply or not .....

:)

[spunksta22]

Hello everyone,

I have an interview with MAM in Brisbane next week and was just wondering what a realistic salary MAM'ers receive? I have heard some people clear 2000$ / fortnight.... could this be true?

Im currently cabin crew with jetstar and wondering if its worth giving up my full time position with benefits for a casual position? Your advice would be greatly appreciated!!!

Also, would perth or brisbane be the better base.... I want as many overnights as I can get.

Finally, can you tell me roughly how many overnights a month I could expect and what cities they would be in from BNE/PER??


(it would certainly be nice not to have to clean the aircraft tho LOL!)

cheers

[Letsfly]

I thought that after working for one year on Contract C the next year you still have to work the 20 days a month but then you are not gaurenteed the pay so I guess in the long run it will be cost effective for Qantas.

I don't think they will get rid of the contract B group because if it is quite they don't have to give them work anyway so it wouldn't cost Qantas anything. The only thing with this group is that they can choose to have their weekends off but I guess Qantas has contract C to cover this slack now.

[hornscorp]

Guys

I know that you will clear between 1700-2000 a fortnight. It is an ongoing contract C so things shouldnt change unless the EBA does. They really i think will end up with both Contract b and c.

[FirstClassParis]

Sydney s/h, your comments amuse me...I am a casual and just got home from a trip and I'm sure I worked on a Qantas aircraft today?????? and everyother day before that...

Hey flocker,

You say that QF sounds like a terrible company to work for, from what you hear.

Is this being said by the MAM casuals? If so, it doesnt matter as they dont work for QF.

And why is Qantas terrible?
Because they dont give these people staff travel, or 125hrs each month, or the days off they want, or the fact they are language speakers and aren't doing a Hong Kong trip each week?

Wake up. Tell us the reasons why.

And please remember in your explanation that if it is the MAMer's complaining then they are CASUAL contractors and keep that thought in-mind when responding.

[1niteinbkk]

Hello Spunksta22 :)

Better think twice about giving up a full-time job, not only one with benefits, but one with a "guaranteed" source of income. I once worked for an airline for many years too and I'm well aware that airlines can be @ the mercy of what goes on in the world.:confused:

My airline career was @ it's peak throughout 9/11 and the SARS outbreak - it was bad enough worrying if the company decides to reduce or cancel some or most of it's operations - but @ least then being a full-time permanent employee you still get paid or if worse comes to worse - receive a redundancy package...:bored:

Also think of the fact your current company is still relatively "young". To me that's an advantage for you career-wise, e.g. career progression and you've got your foot in the door already.

And yes:rolleyes: the benefits :ok: eventhough you could earn more money in a different industry, profession or a different company - the benefits of a permanent airline employee - combined with annual leave pay - still rock! :D

:O

Hello everyone,

I have an interview with MAM in Brisbane next week and was just wondering what a realistic salary MAM'ers receive? I have heard some people clear 2000$ / fortnight.... could this be true?

Im currently cabin crew with jetstar and wondering if its worth giving up my full time position with benefits for a casual position? Your advice would be greatly appreciated!!!

Also, would perth or brisbane be the better base.... I want as many overnights as I can get.

Finally, can you tell me roughly how many overnights a month I could expect and what cities they would be in from BNE/PER??


(it would certainly be nice not to have to clean the aircraft tho LOL!)

cheers

[mooguy]

Can anyone one of you helpful souls out there advice me on what kind of questions to expect???

I just attended the Perth base assessment day today at the Hyatt for almost 6 hours, and it went really well, the recruiters were all really nice and friendly, and did'nt make me feel ill at ease at all, the atmosphere was very convivial and natural.

I was actually surprised at how relaxed they made me feel, the last interview I had with Qantas 4 years ago, it all went swimmingly - until I got to the panel stage, which is where it ended! I never found out why of course. I was naturally disappointed, as I have had lots of flight attendant experience, mainly with Emirates, and other operators out of the middle east, private etc. So I ended up going back out to the middle east doing mainly VIP jobs, freelance and fulltime. NOw I'm just happy to be home in Perth as I'm over the middle east thing, and this job would be ideal for me, as hubby works away a lot of the time.

Got a call this evening, which took me by surprise, to come tomorrow morning for a panel interview. I would really apppreciate if anyone can tell me what sort of questions they ask? What do they particularly look for?

Cheers in advance to anyone who replies :ok:

[Ranjha83]

thats good news u got the final interview tomorrow :D

Final inteview usually goes up to 45 mins and questions are basically related to ur work experience n customer service.
Whats the best customer service u ever gave?
How would u deal with a difficult situation? etc:ugh:
why u want to work for mam even its part-time job etc?

hope it helps
ranjha

[QFLinkPER]

Mooguy, what day did have the group assessment at the Hyatt in Perth? I had mine on Monday, and they rang me 2 hours later to come in for a panel interview Tuesday afternoon. Mine only went for about 20min, I'm not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing. Some of the questions they asked me were: Do you know what a casual is? Give us some pros and cons of being casual. Have you ever had a difficulty with someone from another culture? Tell me something you have done at work that you are proud of. Have you ever been a member of an unsuccessful team? When have you supported a decision you didn't agree with? Do you speak up during meetings or sit back? Have you ever had a conflict with a colleague? What have you done to make your work easier? Have you ever implemented something that has affected other areas of the company where you work? They want specific examples for everything. Pretty tough questions. The interviewers were lovely though. Good luck!;)

[SkySista]

Yep, those were pretty much the questions they asked me at my panel back in April...

[njsboi]

hey qflinkper.... good to see your trying to get out!!!:E
best of luck!!!

[QFLinkPER]

Thanks njsboi! Time to play the waiting game...

[QFvsPLUNA]

Hey Guys can any one confirm that Perth Short haul Base is closing.:bored:

[skyestorm]

ah...what the?
if perth short haul base is closing why would mam be recruiting. i certainly hope that this is not true :ooh:

[SkySista]

Errr.... I don't think so!!! Why would they recruit so many people, give them the choice between PER and BNE, then tell them "sorry we're closing', it's off to BNE for you!!"

Then again, this IS Qantas we're talking about!! :E

[flitegirl]

I believe that Qantas are looking at making the whole base MAM crew (aside from CSMs) - but definitely not closing the base. I also heard that the PER S/H crew will soon begin flying PER/NRT/SYD/PER (A330) Rather a glamorous trip - jealous!!:ok:

[SkySista]

Flitegirl, I didn't think SH crew could fly anything over 8 or 9 hours... what's the flight time to NRT?? Or is this something that's going in the new EBA/ agreement?

[flitegirl]

I'm not sure of the exact limits for S/H crew, but they have been operating to near international destinations for a couple of years now eg. HKG, SIN, NRT and I believe they have just got BOM on their patterns - i'm guessing that would be at least a 10 or 11 hour flight to Sydney

[sebby]

They used to fly NRT regularly but a large problem was the lack of non language speakers. This trip has now been given to AKL Jetconnect crews, which is SYD-NRT-PER and return. (PER - NRT is basically 11 hours each way).

SH crews can most defintely fly longer than 8 hours, they just cant without a rest break. An example of this is the CGK shuttle that is now a regular on the SH roster. . .

I may be wrong - please correct me if I am.. :p

[flitegirl]

AKL base LH crew have been flying the NRT sectors out of PER and SYD augmented with other Aust. based QF LH crew as is the case with many Qantas international flights now.

MAM has been recruiting people with asian language fluency, probably in preparation for SH crew flying the patterns.

PER/NRT has a flying time of 10 hours.

[overhere]

Now Contract C has been around for a while, would be really interested to hear from any SYD or BNE based crew on the hours, types of trips etc out of those 2 bases on Contract C. Feel free to PM if you don't want to post it here.

[spunksta22]

HEY all!

Have just been offered a position with MAM IN EITHER BRISbane or Melbourne and need your help! I am wondering which base would have the better flying and which would have the more hours. I would like as many overnites/international trips as possible and only have until tomorrow to decide so please respond quickly! Cheers.

[sydney s/h]

go for where you live.

Dont worry about internationals etc.. it changes every month. Neither base has alot of international trips - as for domestic o/n's they are probably on par.

Sydney is the base if you like international flying. The SH base there is doing loads of trips.

[spunksta22]

well i live in neither of these cities so thats why i was wondering!! so how many overnites in total u rekon id get per month? also are the international destinations the same from mel and bne? iv heard that mam do hong kong, singapore, tokyo, manilla, mumbai, auckland, noumea and bali .... is this correct and if so how many of these places wod i fly to from mel as opposed to bne?

Thanks alot

[cokecropduster]

Syd based SH crew are doing more LH flying now... More than LH. These include. Bejing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, Manila (going though), Jakarta, Auckland and my personal favourite - Mumbai (going to Mel base next month). Wrong...

The C Contract people are being worked like dogs and they are already feeling the effects apparently. Sick Leave is going up.:ouch:

BTW, Mel base seems to have a bit more flying than BNE... could change though.

[PER210]

Hey, Just wondering. Does MAM provide the Casual QF employees sick leave or annual leave? And what are the chances of progressing up to parttime/fulltime through MAM? Will QF ever hire again or its all going through MAM now (to the best of your knowledge obviously... no one knows what QF are going to do forever)...And another question, if you work QFLink, can you progress to QFS/L Haul part/full time? Or Qantas is no longer hiring fulltime/part time AT ALL?
Cheers for your help,
PER210

[Skystar320]

Hello everyone.

Well I was lucky enough to attend one of MAM recruitment drives in Perth this monday and was only one of five in my day that actually made it to the panel interview.

From what I gather they are looking for anyone who speaks an asain language and quickly wrote it down when I said I understand basic writen and verbal Japanese.

We were told that if successful we would be crewing flights out of Perth to the followin destinations (please amend if something is wrong)

Perth - Jakarta
Perth - Denpasar
Perth - Singapore
Singapore - Bombay (Strange cause thought is was direct from SYD)
Perth - Hong kong
Perth - Tokyo

I would be intrested to know if anyone actually attended the Perth recuriment especially the one on the 13th (give us a pm)

Its just the wait thats annoying.

Regards a previous post I dont think that mam provide the casual F/A annual leave and sick leave due to the fact that your on a casual wage/award.
But being young, hell if the hours are there to work then of course you would work

Catchya

Skystar320 signing off

[spunksta22]

Hello all,

I would like anyone who works for qantas SH to let me know wat type of flying I can expect out of MEL? Roughly how many overnites should I expect per month and what are the cities/;countries most frequented by MAM MEL base CC?

Cheers :D

[resboy]

Hi Spunksta

I have friends who fly both QF Perm S/H and MAM. Since the introduction of Carmen (people can correct we if I'm wrong here), the patterns for each base are no longer consistent month to month. So its very hard to say what you'll be getting.

Also as a casual your role is to cover sick leave and dumped patterns by the full-timers, once again not always predictable. This may include a few trips, regionals and the like, but from what I know out of MEL MAM crew get a lot of SYD shuttles which has you back home at the end of the day.

If you've accepted MAM I'd just go with the flow. If you start to expect too much by way of trips, regionals etc you might end up disappointed cause as I've said the work can be hit and miss.

Cheers and I hope you enjoy the change from pringles, latex gloves and digiplayers :ok:

[missleadfoot]

Hello SkyStar,
Mate it aint all it's cracked up to be unfortunately. Half of those destinations you wont be overnighting in. You will be flying to all of them but it's going to be hard work. Example, Perth-Bali-Singapore return on B737. Mate this is a tough roster but the flight times allow you to do it, 3 hrs to Bali, 1 hr transit then 2 hrs to SIN, turn around and come back the same way. Same as Jakarta, it's a return flight. Trust me this is horror flying at it's worst. I have done it with layovers in Bali and it killed me. Good luck, you can have these flights.

[pinklemonae]

Am I think only one who is very scared about the concept of MAM?

[GreekAngel]

The bottom line is if u wanna fly then u wont need to worry about the type of flying you do- Sure the patterns are harder and slip time in ports has reduced but the worl has changed and the industry has changed u need to move with the times. I get tired of crew bitching all the time on board the aircraft and complaining its so DRAINING and negative. Its the same in here, it is what it is and u cant change the things all u can do is roll with it. And the end of the day there are others worse off - u could be stuck in an office, you dont all realise how good we got it..

[mamslave]

all contracts will be cancelled in a few months by MAM. QF only wants one contract, having 3 is a nightmare. Many new contract C crew are leaving, reason fatigue!

Casuals are in for many many changes over the coming months, take the new contract or here is the door! good luck to you all!

Greek angel maybe crew bitch and whine cause of the politics, go work in an office, and its the same hunny. Its common knowledge that crew are known to be whingers. Just look at the casuals, many tend to do only regional or only trips, how does that happen.

Im glad I left...enjoy the blood bath!

[GreekAngel]

MAMSLAVE - Im glad ur happy with ur decision, however I;m happy with my job - i enjoy flying and really want to be there unlike the other 65%. My point is if ur not happy flying and come to work to bitch about it then people should leave and let us that want to be there enjoy oursleves. Im not there to listen to peoples :mad: thats not what im paid for. And as for working in an office well thats like comparing apples and oranges, or even day with nite....totally differnet environment and energy. :=

[Skystar320]

Hello all,

Thanks for your response missleadfoot its always intresting to figure out what I will be up to anyway.
The way that I currently look at it i am the right side of 20 (i.e 19) adn well I have my diploma in accounting and I want to strech my wings, and enjoy myself aswell as getting paid for it.
I have a passion for aviation and was'nt accademic enough to get grades for a pilot etc.

From Perth, does anyone know if anyone has recieved phone calls about securing the job with MAM?

Cheers
skystar320

[oneworldairline]

Hey guys ...

just curiious is there like a limit of aircraft types you can operate as a cabin crew.. ie.// like 737 and 767 is two types ... or you can operate and learn to work in as many aircraft types

thanks in advace
oneworldairline

[babijules]

skystar i got a call last friday to begin my training in Melbourne in January :)) I went to the assesment centre way back in August, didnt think that they would call me but they did!

so exciting ! did anyone else get in from Perth?

[Cjay.]

babijules,
Congrats on getting a start date! I know what it's like to be wating for ages, I've been waiting since June coz they mucked a few things up with me. What date did they say your training started in January and how long ago did you do your medical? I heard that there was another ground school starting for Perth people in early December - but maybe they have already filled that one? Have you got your contract yet? Sorry so many questions :)

[flitegirl]

Hello Oneworldairline,

As far as i'm aware there is not a limit on the number of types you can be approved to operate on, however I've heard talk that CASA wants to introduce a limitation rule.

Presently at Qantas, S/H crew operate B737 (two variants) B767 (two variants) and A330 (two variants).

L/H crew operate B747 (two variants), B767 and A330 aircraft.

There is no legal restriction to a flight attendant being certified to operate on all of these types, however because there is two divisions of crew at Qantas, not all crew are endorsed on all types - the overlap is the 767 and 330.

[Skystar320]

Hello,

I attended my interview on the 13th November 2006, then they said it would be up to two weeks either a phone call or a email?

I am still waiting though, but the funny thing is I have been offered another job and I am thinking what should i do.......

Are they telling people who went for the recent interviews in November?

Cheers
Skystar

[Cart_tart]

Who have you been offered another job with Skystar?
PM me if you don't want to disclose publicly.
I notice you're based in Perth and am wondering if I think it's who I think it's with. If so I have some info that may help you decide what to do.

[Skystar320]

Its with the government of Western Australia in one of there departments. I am curious to see if any people in Perth got contacted in the latest round of interviews?

[Cart_tart]

Sorry Sky...I thought it was with another airline!
You could always say yes to the Gov job and then resign if you get in with MAM. And who knows - it could be a few months or more before you even get a ground school. By the time that rolls around you may have decided that you don't really want to work casually and that you're quite happy with your flexi-time!!
Good luck!

[KBear]

hi,
is anyone else concerned about this takover bid?
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=164775
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20805113-643,00.html
I believe it will affect mam staff first.
KBear.

[sydney s/h]

Kbear,

How will it affect MAM crew first?

In what way?

I am not aware of the potential takeover bid meaning that QF will downsize, so that wouldnt mean that they reduce crew numbers.

SH is currently very short of crew - loads of fulltimers constantly getting drafted on their days off etc..


So how will affect the MAMers?

[flyboynath]

I think KBear is concerned because there is no obligation for QF to maintain our employment should something change. Afterall, we are an easily dispensable workforce being "casual". Yet, I think there is good reason for concern from the perspective of all staff, weather they be crew, engineering, permanent or casual.

KBear, all we can do is wait, I for one, have maintained a position that this could happen one day regardless of a take-over bid or not. That way, I'm prepared. Hang in there for now! :-)

[KBear]

I think KBear is concerned because there is no obligation for QF to maintain our employment should something change. Afterall, we are an easily dispensable workforce being "casual". Yet, I think there is good reason for concern from the perspective of all staff, weather they be crew, engineering, permanent or casual.

KBear, all we can do is wait, I for one, have maintained a position that this could happen one day regardless of a take-over bid or not. That way, I'm prepared. Hang in there for now! :-)

Hi,
Yes, I agree, I am concerned and perhaps I should have edited my post, as I do believe that if this affects anybody it will not be restricted to MAM staff.

I myself am not employed by MAM, but have recently been interviewed by them, with the hope of one day being employed by them (perhaps that may take awhile and perhaps I will never be employed by them, but that’s another story).

I have in the past; lost a job and saw my friends loose their job also, as a result of ruthless shareholders and bosses who didn't know how to tighten their own belts to save staff. So, yes I am concerned.

I also thought that this would be an interesting topic of discussion and I would like to know if anybody has any thoughts on this topic, negative or positive.
KBear. :p

[mooguy]

Hello

Just wondering what the flying is really like, and do any of you have your rosters for the following month yet? I am joining a training school soon interstate, which I'm really excited about. Do perth based cabin crew have many overnights anywhere exciting........are there a lot of standby days...are you having fun??? Im curious to know, you can email me privately if you wish:ok:

[missymoo]

Hello

I went to the interview in Nov and made it round to the Panel. Im sure that MAM said they were going to contact us in 7 -10 days and still no word! How long is it before they normally get back to you? The waiting is killer!!!!

[flyboynath]

Hi Missymoo, believe me, there is no "normal" time frame for them to get back to you. I somtimes think they take on too much recruitment, that they just don't cope, but thats is purely speculation on my behalf. They will eventually get back to you.... Keep us posted.

Hang in there and good luck!

[Sailorgal]

Hey missymoo

Dont worry I went through the rounds in sydney and they told us 2 weeks. That's coming up on tuesday and i've not heard a peep either. They are very unpredictable, just gotta hang in there and try to distract yourself in the mean time. If you haven't had either a phone call or an email after two weeks maybe then give them a call to check.

[KBear]

Hey missymoo
Dont worry I went through the rounds in sydney and they told us 2 weeks. That's coming up on tuesday and i've not heard a peep either. They are very unpredictable, just gotta hang in there and try to distract yourself in the mean time. If you haven't had either a phone call or an email after two weeks maybe then give them a call to check.

Hi,
they told us that if you hadn't heard from them by two weeks then you didn't make the cut, unfortunately.
I was at the Sydney recruitment day on the 14th also and I am still awaiting news.
KBear.

[KBear]

Hi,
can anybody pass on mam's no.? If so please PM me.
Thanks,
KBear :ok:

[missymoo]

Thanks guys and good luck to all! I spoke to someone that went to my interview round the other day and that person also not hear anything so maybe it is just a delayed process..... Reading thru all other comments this waiting game obviously is the " Norm ".
Anyway's keep me informed if any of you get any progress........

GOOD LUCK
Missymoo

[Skystar320]

Hey Missymoo,

Which recruitment day did u attend? I was on the 13 November (monday) and made it through to the last round of a group of 5 - 6people.
My 2weeks is up today and still not heard anything, but talking/reading to other posts someone said it was a good couple of months before they heard anything.
Sit tight.............

Skystar320

[missymoo]

Hey Skystar320

Went to the recruitment day on the 12th November. Wow, were their only 5 of you guys left? We had around 12 or 15 out of 55 people left to do the panel interview.

I have been called to go for medical which is very exciting!!!!

Missymoo

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Qantas takeover could be all on within two weeks

Monday November 27, 2006


SYDNEY - A formal takeover bid for Qantas could be launched within a fortnight and a group closely associated with industry superannuation funds might be involved.

The Weekend Australian has named union-friendly investment company Industry Funds Management (IFM) as a consortium backer. IFM is run by Gary Weaven, a former assistant-secretary of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, who has been involved with union-based industry funds since they emerged from the Prices-Incomes Accord of the Hawke-Keating government.

Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon played down speculation, saying it was still "very early days".

The consortium is understood to have approached Qantas last month and is already conducting due diligence, sources told the Weekend Australian. It is mulling a bid for Qantas that could be worth up to A$11 billion ($12.86 billion), or A$5.50 a share.

The consortium is led by US private equity firm, Texas Pacific Group, and Macquarie Bank. Canada's Onex Corp, which has experience in airline catering and aircraft parts manufacturing, is believed to have joined.

Sources said they believed the takeover bid would be resolved, one way or the other, within two weeks.

On Friday Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, ruled out changing foreign ownership laws to accommodate foreign corporate raiders. Foreign ownership of Qantas is capped at 49 per cent. Single shareholders can hold up to 25 per cent and foreign airlines up to 35 per cent.

[PER210]

So, if the bid goes ahead and they succeed... does that mean GD will be out? Or will he still be CEO?
What affects will there be on the staff of Qantas (and or MAM) if it does go ahead.
cheers,
PER210

[awesome1]

skystar i got a call last friday to begin my training in Melbourne in January :)) I went to the assesment centre way back in August, didnt think that they would call me but they did!

so exciting ! did anyone else get in from Perth?


:ok: Hey,guess what I am one of the lucky ones too! I recevied a call from M.A.M this morning and queit suprised,blown away to be exact i am going for Training in December.. Does this mean we are employed or a we still in the waiting game. P.M soon

[Skystar320]

Hey Skystar320
Went to the recruitment day on the 12th November. Wow, were their only 5 of you guys left? We had around 12 or 15 out of 55 people left to do the panel interview.
I have been called to go for medical which is very exciting!!!!
Missymoo

Hey Missymoo just exactly when did you get your phone call????? Our group was the last group and we had something like 35 people and only five made it to the panel interview.

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[Skystar320]

:ok: Hey,guess what I am one of the lucky ones too! I recevied a call from M.A.M this morning and queit suprised,blown away to be exact i am going for Training in December.. Does this mean we are employed or a we still in the waiting game. P.M soon
Hey awesome when did you go for your interview?

[missymoo]

Got the phone call on Monday morning and then off to the medical yesterday. Got an e-mail regarding being unsuccessful when I returned home from the medical which was an apparent mistake! I now have been told to wait for 4 weekes before I will hear from them again.

Have you heard anything yet Skystar?

Missymoo

[Skystar320]

Nah hav'nt heard anything no even a phone call or a email, sitting on my hands waiting

[skyways]

I also got a phone call to attend a medical on Monday morning, they'd already booked a time in for the medical on Tuesday when they rang. Now its just waiting again....! I'd been to the assessment day on the 10th of November.

[Skystar320]

So it looks as if its a scattered pattern. Just a waiting game now

[Cjay.]

Anyone from Perth heard anything yet???

[missymoo]

Hi guys

No I haven't heard nothing since my medical but I am going to make sure they have received all my medical results and other things that I have had to fax. I also got a call from an old supervisor of mine to let me know that they have been reference checking!
Any news at all out there from Perth???
What bout you Skystar?
Keep us all informed out there guys!!!
Missy Moo

[Cjay.]

Hi guys,

Does anybody have MAM's fax number? If so could you please PM it to me. Thanks heaps :)