View Full Version : Ground incident at Birmingham (EGBB)

30th Dec 2005, 14:25
An AVRO RJ100 of British Airways CitiExpress is currently stuck in soft ground at Birmingham. The incident occured around 1645z yesterday whilst the aircraft was undertaking high powered engine runs (or possibly taxying afterwards).

Apparently there is some damage to the airframe but the biggest challenge will be removing the aircraft from its current position (between the runway & taxiway D/E)

Fried Chicken

30th Dec 2005, 14:38
A full power Engine run that did't go acording to plan!

I taxied past today and it's firmly in the sticky stuff - and looking quite a bit lower than every other RJ at BHX... The ATIS refers to Taxiways closed due to WIP; well that is where it is now parked: in the soft ground that was "WIP" for the past year.

30th Dec 2005, 20:35
This is what she looks like!


30th Dec 2005, 20:49
'High power' and 'RJ100' in the same post?

Shurely shome mishtake.....

30th Dec 2005, 22:24
'High power' and 'RJ100' in the same post?

That's what I used to think until...

I was asked if a 146 could position into wind for an engine run (no1 engine & no 4 for balance) as the wind had got up a bit too much for an out-of-wind run. This meant the blast would impinge upon traffic using a road in front of the hangars. I blocked off the road pro tem and positioned myself on the other side of the road with our portable anemometer, about 100 metres behind the aircraft, to see if we could allow the run and keep the road open. Well, the anemometer went off the scale, my Land Rover was bucking about all over the place, then one of the cups flew off the anemometer, never to be seen again! Signals got the engines shut down, then from behind came a frantic guy waving his arms 'there's a load of oxygen cylinders behind you that are breaking loose. If one of the necks gets snapped off, the bottle's likely to shoot all the way across the airfield!'

They ain't just hairdryers! There's more puff in them than you'd think!


B Fraser
30th Dec 2005, 23:21
Is it true that the braking system is powered by a particular pair of engines i.e. if some clot decides to taxy with the wrong pair then there are no brakes ?

Please accept my grovelling apologies if I am talking out of my backside. It would be neither the first nor the last time :O

31st Dec 2005, 00:14
Yes - the hydraulic pumps are on the inboard engines and the generators are on the outboard ones. Thus if you loose an outboard donkey, you have max hydraulic pressure available to help you operate the rudder.


31st Dec 2005, 01:07

So how come the brakes seem to work perfectly well with NO main engines running????

31st Dec 2005, 01:35
...because you have three separate braking systems and an accumulator to provide pressure when there are no engine-driven pumps running... plus you have two electrical hydraulic pumps. Five separate sources of hydraulic pressure.

You actually have full hydraulic power available irrespective of which engine(s) are not running.

Damn clever, these aircraft designers! ;)

31st Dec 2005, 11:35
i was driving past bhx the other day and i could see a shadow of what looked like an RJ in the middle of nowhere with no lights on and wondered what the hell it was!!!is it still stuck?? also just out of interest,whats that aircraft taxying down that looks red??

1st Jan 2006, 10:12
There is a final twist in this sorry tale. When the aircraft was finally extricated from the mud it then had an altercation with a JCB.

1st Jan 2006, 11:19
the ILS15 was off the air the other day with ovc 300 feet and 10 knot tail winds....they had to use the ILS for 33. It was a recipe for an off rwy excursion.

Can any one tell me why the SRA minimums for 15 are higher than the NDB DME 15 mins? I thought the SRA would have been more accurate.

We are all fed up of work being done at BHX....the threat level just rises with npa's only in use.

Hand Solo
1st Jan 2006, 13:28
I thought the SRA would have been more accurate.

Surely you jest?!

6th Jan 2006, 13:49
Seems now that after the altercation with the JCB with aircraft
will be a writeoff. At least it was one of the older RJs in the fleet. :ooh:
Anyone know of more pic's on the net?

Hand Solo
6th Jan 2006, 13:53
A writeoff?! WTH did the JCB do to it?

6th Jan 2006, 16:28
Who is your source?........
First I've heard of it, and I work for the company.
Anybody got a spares for a dash 8?!.....

6th Jan 2006, 16:36
The JCB struck the Elevator at one of the hinge points, this is when it was digging it from the Ibiza style foam bath that the aircraft was lying in. This has cracked the hinge point bracket and wrecked the elevator itself. An expensive one I feel.

dallas dude
6th Jan 2006, 17:02
then one of the cups flew off the anemometer, never to be seen again!


Give it a couple of days and you'll likely be able to buy it back on e-bay!

Cheers, dd.

6th Jan 2006, 17:36
Heard that from a BACX engineer in EDI. They are going on reports from BHX.
So who really knows........

7th Jan 2006, 10:03
BA apron staff forgot the chocks!!!!People have been suspended!

Dash-7 lover
7th Jan 2006, 16:21
Not heard that the aircraft will be a write-off but out for a month or two no doubt - could road it to ABZ and park it up with Dash-8 GBRYW that had a fight with a GPU and lost (7th Oct 05) .... join the queue!

9th Jan 2006, 13:36
I very much doubt a knackered elevator and hinge will write it off. Replacing corroded elevator hinges is almost standard during the structural checks on the 146. From what I've seen of the damage photo's it doesn't look to bad certainly not as bad as the THY RJ that had a 60 tonne tug try to shorten it by a few feet several years ago.