Etihad routes+ lay overs

[dupont3700]

Hi,

does anyone know some nbew routes for 2006 for EY? How long are their lay overs? eg Brussels, Toronto,BKK,FRA,MUC? Are there any EY crew here on this forum? Please contact me

Greets

[svona]

Season's Greetings!

Decided to bump this up as I am also very interested to know how EY's trips are, in terms of length and days off after a trip, or any other info on working for them as CC for that matter.

Many thanks in advance!

[seasick]

I have a friend at EY who recently did the AUH-BRU-YYZ and told me they stay 48 hours in each city except when operating YYZ-BRU on Saturday. In that case, they stay in BRU for nearly 72 hours.

seasick

[Lethalfart]

And no allowances are paid out during these trips, can you please add that.

tks

[Dr_Vandenburg]

From the most wealthy Emirate the following

This operation is atrocious!

Do not even consider coming here.

The Cabin crew management needs to be cleaned up desperately.
You have never seen such a dictatorship, QR is better (can you imagine)

Crew are very unhappy in regard to wages and conditions yet will not speak out through fear of reprisal.

No ALLOWANCES on overnights including countries like Europe, UK and Canada which is insain.
Prior to going into accommodation crew are spending up to six months at base in average hotels on $100 USD per MONTH!!!! as allowance.

A very poor copy of Emirates.
Evil people at the helm, no one interested in helping.
upper management blind or do not care.
Humans suffering.

[OzzieO]

Sounds like you would have more fun in a Turkish prison!! Leave if its that bad lifes too short to put up with that sort of misery!

[seasick]

As for no allowances on overnight, it is true. Though you are given a crew allowance for each day of duty despite the length of it, which is added to your salary.

seasick

[flyer306]

Yes, things need to change in the allowance department for long trips. How can a cabin crew survive on 210DHS per day in Brussels?????
The whole 9 day trip costs more than you earn for that trip unless you are happy to sit in your room. There are things to do but you still want to do nice things which will cost money.
The layovers are great but you need the allowance to go with it like in most airlines.....in local currency given to you at the hotel.
There are things that do need changing....for a happy workplace, which it is not at the moment.

[thomasroberts]

I have a question and hope someone can clarify it up for me in regards to the pay at Etihad. The basic, as far as I understand, is Dhs 3010 and each duty day is Dhs 210. It has been said that on average, a cabin crew can expect 20 duty days which would equate to Dhs 4200. Add that on to the basic and you will get a total of Dhs 7210... so my question is simply this: is this pay really that bad and insufficient for expenses during your layovers?

I understand that at Emirates, the basic is about Dhs 3600 and they get paid for each hour of duty as soon as doors are closed plus they get allowances on their layovers... so how much can they expect to bring home each month inclusive of the allowances? Would it range in the Dhs 9000 mark or so? What about in Qatar Airways?

Understandable that Dhs210 is not sufficient for a day in Brussels or London, considering their high standards of living and currency exchange rates, but I have always thought that the total package in terms of pay brought back by Etihad cabin crew is similar to that of Emirates and Qatar Airways.

Many thanks for the replies.

[dupont3700]

ThomasRoberts,

at QR it's the same system then @ EK. I think EY should adopt the same system. A new airline like theirs can't have unsatisfied people!!!!

210 Dhs/day? that\'s not even 50 Euros... wow, that\'s really low I\'d say. Most airlines, like mine give at least 70 Euros per nightstop, whether it\'s a 12hrs or a 23hrs59mins one. For each sign-in we do we get 25 euros. So for a simple nightstop we get 95 euros which I think is not too bad.

[seasick]

At Qatar Airways you have the basic salary of QAR 3750 (after six months) plus the flying hour pay of QAR 31 (in average 65 hours a month). In total, that is QAR 5765 plus layover allowances on each layover stay.

seasick

[dupont3700]

do you still know the lay over allowance seasick?

This is what it says on the QR website, that\'s a whole lot more then 3750 Riyals

All Cabin Crew are based in Doha, the State of Qatar and we offer a competitive tax-free package in Qatar of over US $ 1,579 per month plus hotel meal allowances

[seasick]

5765 QAR is equilavent to 1583 USD. Not sure about the allowances, will try and find out.

seasick

[flyer306]

It might sound enough but the sandpit is not as cheap as it used to be.
Come on 210Dhs???? you really think thats enough? And a CM gets 230Dhs? somehow this needs to be updated.
So you spend all your money on layovers whatabout when you want a holiday?
Some of the accommodation is good, but some is questionable!
Over all its a good start for people who have never flown before but for experienced crew.....don't think so.

[thomasroberts]

Hear! Hear!

It does seem like Etihad really need to start evaluating their pay scale, especially for the layovers.

Meanwhile, I did not know that their CM gets Dhs 230 per day... hah, what a joke. But would you happen to have an idea of how much their salary is? I'm sure it's more than the measly Dhs 3010.

On a different note, most people are not aware of the pay scale at other airlines, myself being the prime example here. So how does Etihad go about recruiting people? Sure, the money they are paying right now would be good for some but what about in Europe and Australia? Because with that pay, I can only imagine how difficult it is to recruit people. Keep in mind that (a) you are asking people to uplift their roots, sort of anyways, and move to a brand new place (b) get nothing during layover and (c) people think that the pay would be similar if not more than that of Emirates.

Also, does anyone here have inside knowledge as to how high of a turnover rate they are currently experiencing at Etihad? Some sources say that their turnover has been incredibly high, bearing in mind that this is a new airline while others dismiss that.

Finally, have to say that Abu Dhabi is cheaper than Dubai. Perhaps that is why the Management is of the view that the pay is sufficient?

Thanks for your feedback and Happy New Year.

[A330habib]

don't waste your time with this lot! unless you want to spend the first 5 months living on absolutely nothing.........HIDEOUS just HIDEOUS!

DR V is right, listen to him or her, very cheap cheap fake prada copy of Emirates. And yes huge turn over off staff, some only stay for the experience to gain employment elsewhere, some stay for the punishment.

Most of the thai, indian, eastern euro crowd seem ok with it, its certainly a lot more than what they earn at home, and i wish them luck

however try getting some lunch and dinner in london for 210dhs!

And let me just say that cabin crew manager starting with the letter C is totally unprofessional as the rest of them

ETIHAD (IT TOO HARD)

[flyer306]

I believe that the base salary for CM is 4100Dhs or there abouts. You will never get near the 10 000 Dhs mark per month.
Abu Dhabi is not that much cheaper than Dubai...maybe the taxis except good luck in one of those.
Yes, the turnover is big, anyone who has experience is leaving and others are looking elsewhere.
For an Australian or european its not worth it. Not for the money.
Emirates is also having a morale problem but at least they pay better.
Anyway, Happy New Year to all...

[EYtruth]

Hello everyone,

for about a month I've been flying with EY. There r lot of desinformation on the internet about this airline, but some things are very true.

First. Trainers are very good, so u will have a good training. At the moment there are no real training facilities like in EK, but the training college is being built, as the whole necessary equipment is present.

Second. There is a huge problem with accomodation here. New crew building are built very slowly, and those one which are finished are not that good. Most of them do not have gym or swimming pool. If they have gym or pool it's a disaster. You use them only if you want to get hurt.
The newest crew building is in ****ty part of Abu Dhabi, dirty area with questionable citizens. The apartments are good, but there is one extremly small bathroom and another very big. What the f*** is that?!?!?! You can't share bathroom with another person!!!!
New joiners are put in hotels and some of those hotels are very good, some of them are disaster. You get 1000 dirhams every second week for the time spent in hotels.

Third. There are no food allowances!!! So, actually, when on a layover you are spending your own money, and believe me, 210 dirhmas in Geneva, Toronto or Brussels is nothing. Crew are very dissatisfied with this, as all other airlines do have these allowances! There are roumours this will change, but for now it's like this. Salary package is generaly not good. It's the lowest compared to EK, QR or even Gulf Air. The basic salary is only 3040 dirhams and it's the same every year, unlike EK where the first year basic salary is 3640 dirhams, and the second year is 3800, third year is higher and so on. Some will say "AUH is cheaper than DXB" Yeah right, come and explain me that, as the only cheap thing in AUH is taxi. Also, you are not paid by flying hours, but by duty days. The average salary is 5000 - 6000 dirhams, and not at all 7000 - 8000 dirhams as they promise you on a assesement day. Also, the contract is for 2 years, not 3 years as they promise on assesment day.... many lies around.

Fourth. Purser salary is around 8000 - 9000 dirhams. That's a joke compared to EK!!! Also, you work in bussiness class, 1st class and economy for the same money! Is that fair?

Many people are leaving EY, especially after the end of 2 year contract. If EY management continues to treat people like this, it will be very hard for them to recruit people.
EY is maybe a good solution for people from Eastern Europe, Korea, Africa, India etc, as they can't have this salary in their home countries. But not a good place for other Europeans, Australians and so on.

Generally, think very well before joining this airline. It's true that promotions are very quickly, but the real question is money after all. Is it normal that purser in EY has the same salary as grade II crew in EK? If you ask me, it's not normal.

EY has to get their act together if they really want to represent UAE and 21st century airline.

[SUKE_QA]

Well, how about once you operate Bah/ruh flt? Duration of the flight is only 40 minutes and you come home within 4 hours and you’re paid AED 210! For any night turn around (BOM/DEL) you’re paid AED 420! Now my question is how much your friends are in QR or EK’s are earning for those flight?

People who are complaining about EY without knowing EK and QR, I insist they should take a little break from here and enjoy The Military life in QR.
Well, I do understand that you will be earning above $3000 in QR after having only 4days off in the base in a month and on top of that there is latest a memo if you want to earn even more. In your days off if u volunteer and fly, they will pay you extra 200 real along with your flying allowances. More interestingly, they will pay you one month salary extra if you don't take your annual leave.

So again I wish you all the best to you all who are desperate for money. They should all go and fly for QR or EK.

[seasick]

Well, I think QR is being very fair who offers crew the opportunity to make a bit more money on their days off.

seasick

[thomasroberts]

Hi All,

Just went for the assessment for Etihad. Decided to give it a try and see how it goes. And I have to say, they were most friendly and professional, all except for one lady who just pretty much sat there and sulked the whole day long.

Anyways, they've changed the methodology (if that's what you can call it) for their recruitment. Now, you are given a briefing first about the company. And I have to say that it is all very hyperbolic and glammed up. Earn a generous pay package! Generous benefits! Great accomodations! New destinations in the pipeline! Interestingly enough though, they did not for once at all mention about the pay or the allowances.

Moving on... 138 people showed up. And after the briefing, we were split into 2 groups. One did the assessment test (45 minutes) while the other group had their height and weight taken and a 1 minute interview with 3 recruitment personnel. Basically along the lines of what are you doing now, what languages you speak, scars or tattoos and finally make you turn your face to the left and right. They call this the 'grooming' section. I know, tee-hee.

The test itself was divided into 6 sections. Grammar, replace words in bold with the most suitable alternative provided, mathematical and general knowledge, comprehension, logic and a short essay writing. Honestly, it was the easiest 'test' I have ever sat for in my life! Apart from the comprehension and the essay writing (duh!), everything else was multiple choice.

And that was when the first round of elimination took place. Out of those who attended, only 20 (TWENTY!!!) made it thru. And mind you, this itself took from 8.30 - 2pm.

Short lunch break, then it was to the group assessment... two rounds of that. Blah blah blah... smile and pretend to know your stuff. Some more elimination and then it was down to the one on one interview.

Can I also just add that on the first day, only TWENTY people showed up for the assessment. I know, right??? The second day was only better because it was through a recruiting agency. Oh, and that was only because the agency had promised that Etihad's pay would be more generous than Qatar or Gulf (I think they said that, not sure).

Overall, the whole selection process was quite pathetic. I'm not saying this because I didn't make it but because it wasn't a very conducive environment. Yes, they were nice and friendly but that was about it.

That's how it went folks. And just for the record, a lot of the people who were selected might not sign on the dotted line when they get the contract because of how low the pay is. They are getting slightly less than what they are getting now at their airlines but for them, they do not have to uproot themselves to Abu Dhabi and be parted from their family. They would if they pay was much higher, as the agency had promised.

And a final note, this is getting ever so lenghty, the Etihad personnel was saying that they are looking for 'tip-top' (his words, not mine) for their cabin crew. So would anyone in Etihad care to confirm if that is indeed the case. That all cabin crew in there are 'tip-top'? Heh, I keed, I keed.

[flyer306]

Its sad to see that since they need so many crew they are still painting a false picture for everyone and then being so picky...
As for tip top....those are leaving for greener and much nicer pastures.....
Has potential just nothing getting done about it.

[A330habib]

tip top? never heard of such a thing!

in our interviews, we did not have one reference checked! ( im not kidding) nor did we have one psych test.......

as for crew on line, most are good, however i think they have certainly picked a lot that are not what they call "tip top"

and yes the tip top ones have left, are leaving, or are thinking about it. Maybe they should get the welfare co-ordinator involved to talk to them all.........pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!:m ad: :bored: :eek: :}

[thomasroberts]

Just another point that I had forgotten to mention in my earlier post... the contract now is an open ended contract and no longer for the 3 years that they initially offered. My guess is that this is because too many people are leaving so this would make the job more enticing that it really is?

[carloundangrian76]

Gosh,


Sounds like a lot of bad news for us X QR people wanting to join EY. I was really looking forward to joining them this year.

I hope someone can really shed light on this topic. I do not want a redux of my QR experience.

I’m scared.


Carlo:{

[trent777b]

Believe me, you are marketable at least for the next 7 years. Over 1000 jet plane has been ordered so far by airlines worlwide. Don't be afraid to try out other places. The most important thing is, be satisfied with the offer before you scribble the dotted line and not what you can expect from them in the future. You are the one responsible to make yourself happy where ever you are and not hoping other people to bring the glory sunshine for you. If you're not happy, just leave if you can afford it and move on. If you have to stay, make the best out of it. Why torture yourself, you only live once. Yes, money is everything but not EVERYTHING. Happy flying guys... cheer up.... me getting a pint...

[thomasroberts]

I read from another forum that immediately after the assessment in Kuala Lumpur, the Etihad team also stopped by in Singapore. About a hundred or so people showed up for that one and only 15 made it through the group discussion. Then they cut that number down some more but I'm not sure how many actually made it through.

All I can say is... WOW. They sure have an extremely high expectation of their recruits. Because I just cannot believe that only 15 made it through to the discussion round out of the 100 or so that showed up.

But I agree, the aviation industry is growing so there should be many more jobs available in the next months or so.