No Modular Students for Flybe?

[King Da5id]

I have a very good contact in Flybe and the rumours are that they will not be recruiting any more modular students. According to the head of the recruiting personnel, they do not consider modular students good enough. So there goes my chance...:(

[duir]

Seems a rather odd stance.......if there is any substance to it??
Are there enough integrated graduates to fullfill all of Flybe's pilot requirements? Surely not with lot's of other airlines looking for flightcrew.

[no sponsor]

I don't recall a question asking if you were modular or integrated...

[wingbar]

I hope this is not the case....yet again the modular guys get the short straw......

[heinzmanm]

This contradicts somewhat the info that that was given by their guy at the Professional Flight Training Show a few weeks ago.
How recent is this info?

Matt

[Lightheart]

I personally spoke with the head of recruitment a few months ago and he didn't mention anything of the like to me. I'm modular.

[EGBKFLYER]

One word - rubbish.

I happen to know of an activity the company is investigating which will disprove that. I'm not saying more, because I'd hate to inadvertently jeopardise it (or look stupid if they decide against in the end!). Let's just say that if it goes ahead, the venture will back-up the veiwpoint communicated at the Flyer show and the Balpa EOC.

Further, as no sponsor said - the latest application form does not separate integrated from modular applicants. If the company was commited to such a change in policy, it would surely have chosen some way of making that distinction at the earliest point in the process, to control recruitment costs.

Lastly, companies very rarely change their spots like this over night and there are generally other outward signs as a result of discussions or PR activity when a policy like this is amended.

Although this is a rumour network, we must all watch what we post here. This sort of baseless speculation just gets everyone upset over what's probably a load of crew room babble.

[Fly Ginger]

Well said egbkflyer. I am one of the many who waits with baited breath on the flybe recruitment issue. maybe i shoudn't read these threads as they can have a detremental start to my day, however, they can also be of great benefit - the current thread on the application form for instance.
May i wish you all luck, whatever your training course

[Permafrost_ATPL]

I don't remember the form asking for modular/integrated either.

That's the trouble with RUMOUR networks :E

P

[airpilot]

Well if it is true guys and girls, I shouldn't worry about it, plenty of other airlines. I did hear they lost about 80 pilots in a 12mth period. Now to me that sounds a lot and I feel that if they keep recruiting children from intergrated courses to fly their planes they will continue to find themselves in the **** with crews. How about they start to recruit the older pilot and I mean 35+ which Im not yet and give flybe some stability in its pilot turn over. Surely all this recruitment must be costing a fecking fortune.

[High Wing Drifter]

I don't remember the form asking for modular/integrated either.
I read it as future tense, not present. As in they have just decided and expect to see the outward manifestation soon. Probably not true anyway as this kind arbitary policy tends to get undone as quickly as it was 'agreed'.

[Mr Blue Eyes]

Airpilot -Interesting question on the older pilot.

Don Darbys views on this on simple! It is not based on safety, ability or what type of licence, rather that he got his fingers burnt a while ago with a few older recruits when they switched aircraft! He view on it now - he's not interested! He has tared all people over 30 in the same category! So he just throws the application in the bin regarless of ability.

On the issue of just taking Integrated its an interesting point because I heard a RUMOUR that the CAA are issueing new licences.

Firstly there is the BA mainline licence, you can only apply to this if you are integrated and went to one of 3 - 4 schools and are recommended by the money grabbing school for this licence.
Then there is the Thomsonfly licence, you have to be under 30 to apply.
Then the Jet2 licence, this is easier to apply for, you just had to do an integrated course at Oxford.
Then Astraeus licence anyone can apply for if you have £25,000.
The BMED licence, only apply if recommended by Oxford to apply for this licence.
You can get the new easyjet licence if you are under 34 and have spent loads of dough with CTC
To apply for the First Choice licence you will have to have permission from your family flight crew member
The Ryanair licence is currently oversubscribed till the end of 2006, but anyone with a credit card can apply.
...and now the new FlyBe licence, you will have to be integrated and recommended if you went to OAT or CCAT and under 30.

I understand that they all revert to one standard licence when you get to 1500hours! (so the RUMOUR says!)

Please do not reply because I am only taking the mickey!

[woof]

Sorry I can't take this thread seriously. Why don't we wait and see what the filters on the online application form bring.

Getting a job is stressful enough without this type of bollox making it worse.

[slayer]

King Da5id, if what you say is true then it would appear that Flybe have got themselves in a bit of a muddle over their recruitment policies. For those who have a copy of ‘Flight Training News’ (Nov/Dec issue) have a quick look at page 4 which gives an overview of the recent BALPA Conference. And I quote:

“Flybe are recruiting and prepared to take low hours FO’s from both modular and integrated courses”

“Flybe was represented by GM Turbo prop Fleet Ian Cheese, who remarked that they were recruiting and were prepared to take low hours FOs from both modular and integrated course…………….”

Explain that!
:hmm:

[QQ44QQ]

The on-line application form does not discriminate between modular and intergrated trained students neither does the company.

[King Da5id]

What I am saying is that the company policy on this is one thing but their actions are totally contradictory. There is a flybe staff website, similar to this forum and the same item is discussed there. Only people who currently work for Flybe are allowed on to the website (for obvious reasons) and this same topic is discussed there. This is where my contact first read about this issue. And it has angered a lot of flybe pilots as well.

So please do not think I am making this up and I am as pissed off about this as the large majoirty of people are. I am looking for a job as well and was hoping to get Glasgow as a base. Not looking likey now.

And for the record, apparantly there are captains who have been told not to bother recommending there own friends, many of whom they have taught and nurtured over the years because they have taken the modular route.

[Dan 98]

I to was at the flyer exhibition a few weeks ago and The guy from Flybe said that he has block booked one week in every month for the next 4 years for interviewing as they will need 400 pilots over this period, there was no mention that they wouldn't look at Modular students, although as everyone knows they take many Integrated students straight from Oxford / Cranfield but will they be able to get all the pilots they need if they were to stick to this! Just seems crazy to me, but hey I'm a modular student so what do i know!!
All the best

Dan

[QQ44QQ]

Perhaps I should spell it out in ‘words of less than one syllable’! Flybe is interested in employing low time pilots that have trained through either system if they reach the required standard. The ‘required standard’ is not just the possession of a licence – the skills, qualities and attitude an individual displays will impact his suitability to hold a position as a first officer. I am paraphrasing slightly, but this is my understanding of the flybe position on modular v integrated training.

[Mr Blue Eyes]

How about we wait & see, if the above mailer is correct.(they obviously sound like they know what they are talking about). Perhaps Flybe will make an announcement to squash this rumour, because it is hardly constructive.

If you are modular and have had or have an interview with Flybe then get in touch. Also if over 30 and have/had an interview let us know.

Personally I do not understand the difference between integrated and full time modular students at one of the main schools. Both have demonstrated an ability to undergo intense training. I have come across poor students in both camps and equally outstanding students in both camps. equally part-time modular students who hold down a full time job and look after the family have demonstrated their skills.

Integrated/modular is an old argument but will disappear when this generation of Chief Pilots retire (and when the flight schools stop promoting their own £50k courses) and the new generation that judge people on their own merits take over.
Long live the revolution baby!

[High Wing Drifter]

Mr Blue Eyes,

I see the use of the word "modular" as a euphemism for unstructured modular or 'cobbled together' training. If true, then you probably wouldn't see a distinction drawn, as integrated students from Oxford, Cabair or Jerez would probably be no more attractive than "structured modular" students from Oxford and CTC. Capt Cheese's reflection of FlyBe's aparent policy of preferring students who have used the same training provider is probabaly another way of saying they would welcome applications from structured modular students from school's whose name they recognise.

[airpilot]

Don Darby- waste of human skin.

I know of two pilots that were rejected by flybe:

One of them was a current Dash 8 guy with over 500hrs on type he is now flying the A320 for BA at Heathrow and he's 40. He don't really give a **** that flybe rejected him. I think he said" what a load of tossers".

The other guy 500hrs on 748's and again over 35.


Wakey Wakey flybe some bloody good experience above but to late they have something better now.

[King Da5id]

What I would say is this. Flybe, from my experience is, and I quote the recently resigned managing director, 'a training company'. Unless this attitude changes then F/O's will treat it as such and as soon as they have enuff hours will move on to bigger and shinier planes. So Dan 98 is right when he says that Flybe will need 400 F/O's over the next few years.

This is not due to a large expansion but due to the fact that Flybe pay pennies compared to other airlines the same size as them, and so the turnover in the company is ridiculous. And will continue to be.

So I did not want people to feel I am ruling out Flybe as an option for Modular students, but I would love to hear from any modular students who get interviews in the New Year. I will keep applying but I am not holding out much hope.

[A330 Biggles]

Ive heard of at least one person who was interviewed with them just befor the Balpa EOC and the feedback he got from them was that he was too young. Its not just the older pilot that they are turning away.

The guys above may well be experienced but there must be some other reason that they were turned away??

The fact that one of thems now flying 320's for BA just goes to show that no company is looking for the same thing, does it not or am i missing the point completely??

[Deano777]

I think it's Ian Cheese who will be at Aeros at Gloucestershire airport next Saturday (10th) for their seminar, I am going so hopefully I may be able to clear this whole argument up once & for all :)

Dean

[mightymouse111]

Here is a question.

Do Ian Cheese and Don Darby have the same view on recruitment.

I get the impression they are quite different.

[haughtney1]

Don..never met the man...

Ian, met him once, scary enough, reminded me of an undertaker:)

[PD210]

I'm heading to Aeros next Saturday too. Mr Cheese is due to attend. So let's just think about this one a second...

Aero's are a modular flight training school, not Integrated. So why would Mr Cheese bother his ass going to a school such as this if Flybe's intentions were not to take on modular guys??

This argument is starting to look a little redundant in my eyes.

[RAFAT]

Please give my regards to Ian, he's supposed to be my boss but I've never laid eyes on the bloke!

[fade to grey]

Haughtney1,
you just ain't doing enough flying my man...you are always on here,
fancy doing my FNA for me (I spent enough in ACC !)

regards,
FTG

[Deano777]

Well

Thanks to Ian Cheese for the talk, that cleared that one up, FlyBe will NOT be taking modular students after Dec 05.







Just kidding, he basically said it is the person they are interested in and not whether they have done modular or integrated, although he did say that continuity of training through the modular course is the way forward rather than doing every section at a different organisation, Ian also gave great insight into what is expected at an interview, some people may think it rather basic stuff but as Ian pointed out you will be surprised what people come out with at the interview, he also put into perspective that if you are lucky enough to get an interview you are 45 minutes away from a sim check, then in the sim check you are ½hr away from a potential job offer, thats a good way of looking at it.
So, I am glad I went, the future looks great at FlyBe, and it's certainly a company I would like to fly for, with the Emb195 coming online in the near future they have some great equipment.
Ian & Don were down to earth, they came across really well and were extremely informative, and believe it or not there was only 1 talk there that had the "sales pitch" feeling, and I won't say which one ;)

Dean

[heinzmanm]

Thanks for the info Dean!
Looks like a pretty good option.
Hope the rest of the day was just as informative - let me know how it went mate.

Matt

[haughtney1]

NO WAY F T Grey..(ok Im racking my brains who you are....go on gimmie a clue)..besides Im off to FNA on SAT nite..after sampling Chambery on friday:D still dont like Mr Chees..he turned me down for a job....how dare he!!!:p

[Deano777]

Matt

I'll call you about the full day and more on what Mr Cheese had to say when I get 5 minutes.

Speak soon

[EGBKFLYER]

Check my post on 'Flybe requirements' - it covers some of Saturday's points. Fell free to add more if you know more...

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Crikey - that amazes me. Airline recruiters being seen at provincial flying schools making presentations to trainee pilots. What delirious dreams are these just 2 years ago?!

You never know it until afterwards but this may just be 1998 all over again when everyone seemed to get a choice of job all of a sudden..

Good luck,

WWW

[scroggs]

I know Ian Cheese of old - we were on the C130 in the RAF together. I've quite recently spoken with him about Flybe's recruiting policies, and I'm happy to report that I find him as straight and BS-free now as he was back then.

Obviously, circumstances have a habit of changing and making liars of us all, but if he says that Flybe are currently happy to take modular (or, rather, structured modular) students, believe him.

Scroggs

[Maude Charlee]

I'll echo Scroggs on that one. I'm a newbie here at flybe and I can assure you that there are modular guys alive and kicking on the course (oldies too), and my impression of IC is that he is completely honest if you ask a straight question. Struck me as a decent bloke when I first met him a few years ago at BACX too, so it's not an act.

All you modular bods can rest easy. They'll give you a fair crack of the whip if they're interested.