SIA mistake?

[SIDSTAR]

I'm sure you are by now well aware that Singaporeans, especially Singaporean pilots, CANNOT make a mistake!!

But guess which Singaporean airline almost landed on the new (Changi East?) runway in SIN a few months ago? I'd bet that you didn't see that fact in the Straits Times.

[priapism]

O.K, I give up . Who was it SIDSTAR??

[HowlingWind]

To some, the reference to SIN might be a bit puzzling, since landing on runways (new or old) is usually not out of the norm for most airlines. :D

Apparently wot Mr. Sidstar is referring to is the (for now, anyway) RSAF-only runway at what is formally known as Changi Air Base (East).

Since we won't read about it in the S-T, Mr. S, care to provide some details, please? Or is this just an ugly rumour? :confused:

If it helps, I think most here have guessed the airline already...

[sierraquebec777]

believed this is onlya joke or rumour - as no such thing especially for a S'pore-based airline to land on the "wrong" runway. Changi Airport have 2 parallel runways ie 02L and 02R. However since last year there's a new parallel runway abt almost 2 km away which belongs to the S'pore Naval Changi Base. But any pilot can see the difference when on landing approach.

[A-FLOOR]

But any pilot can see the difference when on landing approach.I think that's the $64000 question here... can they? And even in less-than-ideal conditions?

An example of another airport that got a third parallel runway: In the early days of EHAM's rwy 18R aircraft have repeatedly been trying to land on the "wrong" runway at EHAM and were told to go around, and even on 18R when it was still under construction (big yellow "X") and formally didn't even exist yet, despite NOTAMS of the thing being there and despite the fact that this runway is also displaced in the lateral sense.

So maybe there's some truth to this rumour, maybe there isn't. Rest assured, I have no axe to grind with SIA, but I think you're a little too quick with dismissing this as a joke.

[frangatang]

If the pilot had been non singaporean perhaps they could hang him.Understand theres a session in the gallows in a couple of days. Still look on the bright side,they get their christmas illuminations up early in sin!

[Max Tow]

Sierraquebec777
Changi now has 02/20 L,C & R

[sierraquebec777]

Changi only have 2 runways as all pilots who fly there should know - its 02L and 02R - or from the other side its marked as 20L and 20R.

[gb777]

Changi Airport (Civil Side) has 2 runways :

02 Left and 02 Center

and

20 Right and 20 Center

gb

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

I flew from SIN a couple of weeks ago.


The northerly runway at Changi is definitely "Centre" due to the expansion at the Air Force base a few km away.

[Dani]

Whatt??? A northerly runway on a 02/20 direction? You guys have no clue, do you?

SIN/WSSS has 2 runways, 02L/02C and 20R/20C. The center RWY is the one on the eastern side, towards the military side. The third RWY (02R/20L) belongs to Changi AFB of the RSAF. It's the most easterly runway, with no (official) TWY connected to SIN.

SQ777 and AWR are wrong, gb777 and Max Tow (partly) are correct.

Dani (flying everyday in SIN)

[gb777]

Thanks Dani
Who started this topic anyway and why?
I hate anonymous innuendo.
gb

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

Northerly meaning it is further north than than the southerly one.

Not that it faces north!


A bit like LHR has a northerly (9L/27R) and a southerly (9R/27L) runway!

[hailstone]

there are only 2 runways at WSSS.

reckon that some folks may be mislead by

http://www.worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=SN90056 (http://)

what is being called 2R is the changi AFB which isnot for civilian use, let alone connected by any kind of taxiways.

[BlueEagle]

As a general rule all approaches to SIN are radar vectors to the ILS so the chance of lining up on the most Easterly r/w are, I would say, nil. If the crew elect to go visual and line up on the wrong r/w radar will soon tell them and the crew should be monitoring the ILS anyway, (SOP).
SIA do a fair amount of training out of Changi and it is just a possibility that the RSAF might let them use their r/w for touch and goes to keep the training a/c away from commercial traffic.

Otherswise I'd say it never happened.

[Vacant Towers]

I realise we are talking about Singapore here but I understood about 25 or more years ago ICAO and safety aware regulatory authorities did away with those reciprocal RWY numbering combinations that were prone to misidentification. Specifically 02/20 & 13/31.

Is this perhaps another indication that the rest of the world is out of step. :confused:

Singapore never makes mistakes, especially in Auckland or Taipei

VT

[vikena]

theres alot wrong with taipei but they have different numbers for paralell runways which is a good thing, which came about fron an sia accident coincidently