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Hangar3
28th Oct 2005, 08:51
After a light aircraft accident Sabadell Aerodrome, just out side Barcelona, is closed to ALL traffic for the foreseeable future. Check NOTAMS for LELL.........

Accident caused by light aircraft hitting an unmarked crane shortly after takeoff.

News link:

http://www.barcelonareporter.com/index.php/bcnreporter/comments/war_of_words_after_airplane_crash_near_sabadell/

Story:

The mayoress of Sant Quirze del Vallès, Elisabet Oliveras, has denied that the 35m high crane against which a small aircraft crashed on Monday, resulting in the deaths of all four people onboard, was illegal. She based her comments on the fact that the crane was situated outside of the airport’s flight path and that authorities based at the airport in Sabadell were aware of the installation of the crane locally. ‘The only thing lacking was acknowledgement from [the Spanish airports authority] AENA and the Ministerio de Fomento’, assured Oliveras.

She reiterated that despite contacting the Ministerio de Fomento for permits, it is commonplace that the department ‘though asked, never responds’. Oliveras explained that ‘it is bad central government practice not to give a reply’. She added that the airport in Sabadell always received notifications of new cranes being installed locally.

The Aeroclub de Sabadell has said that it intends to complain to the local city council, the Ajuntament, if ‘irregularities exist in the permits’. Aeroclub spokesperson Lluís Oliva said ‘the aeroplane did not fall. It collided against an unmarked crane’. The crane was painted in blue, and not in red and white, as the regulations say it should have been.

The local authority of Sant Quirze del Vallès in return state that the small aircraft ‘was flying 50 metres below what it should have been’

DubTrub
28th Oct 2005, 23:39
Very sad.

One of my favourite airfields in Spain, very GA friendly, was just there this summer.

Wonder what happens to the Fire-Bomber flights, then?

stiknruda
29th Oct 2005, 08:59
I'm fortunate enough to be able to borrow an aeroplane that resides at Sabadell.

I must admit that the idea of an EFATO there was even less appealing than at many other aerodromes because it is so heavily built up.

Nice place, nice restaurant on the field.

Stik

NG708
29th Oct 2005, 09:07
The local authority of Sant Quirze del Vallès in return state that the small aircraft ‘was flying 50 metres below what it should have been’

Would be interested to know how the authorities knew what height it should be at on a climb out. Are they suggesting that it was performance-limited in some way?

Are there published departures that state rate of climb limits?

DFC
31st Oct 2005, 09:43
Would be interested to know how the authorities knew what height it should be at on a climb out. Are they suggesting that it was performance-limited in some way?

What you do is check the obstacle limitation surfaces against where the crane is. If it is below the surfaces then the aircraft should have cleared it by whatever the standard minimum climb gradient acheives at that point. Note - most aircraft climb far quicker than that.

If the crane is higher than the obstacle limitation surfaces then it should have been NOTAMed. However this aside, it is very easy to get the aircraft flight manual, calculate the climb gradient and reduce it by a factor (net performance) and one has the height at which the aircraft should have been at that position.

There are minimum rates of climb for every category of aircraft. Even permit to fly aircraft have to demonstrate a minimum rate of climb.

Pilots are often unaware of or ignore the standard obstacle limitation surfaces - see other topic regarding landing distances - and as I said some time ago in that topic - when something happens, your ass is on the line if the authorities (or the insurance company) can show that you did not keep the required separation from those obstacle surfaces!

Regards,

DFC

IO540
31st Oct 2005, 13:27
Spain can have a cavalier attitude to safety. At one small airfield I've been to there were fence posts hidden in the grass, just high enough to hit a wing during taxi. One has to be very careful, even more than here.

dublinpilot
17th Mar 2006, 18:31
Has Sabaell ever reopened?

AfricanEagle
20th Mar 2006, 11:13
Just checked with a spanish friend that bases his Seneca there.

Sabadell is open to traffic

rwy 900m 31-13
AVGAS 100 available
VOR DME 112.00 - NDB 367 - twr 120.80
elevation 476 ft - circuit height at least 1700 ft for noise abatement

AE

dublinpilot
20th Mar 2006, 13:58
Some good news.

Thank you AF

LH2
20th Mar 2006, 16:40
Would be interested to know how the authorities knew what height it should be at on a climb out. Are they suggesting that it was performance-limited in some way?

This is only 2nd hand information, but the other day I got talking to someone who is an ATPL student in Sabadell and the subject came up. What he told me was that the plane (a C-172 with 4 POB and a full load of fuel) was over its MTOW, and as it veered (apparently they fly a RH circuit?) it lost altitude and hit the crane. This guy was not sure whether a stall occurred or simply there wasn't enough power to maintain a sufficient rate of climb.

The conclusion he seemed to imply was that, as well as there being failures in the preventative front, pilot error was a determining factor. He claims he was a friend of the pilot.

Please note that I'm only relaying what was said to me during a casual conversation with some unknown person. You should take the above as the rumour it is.

Mad Engineer
24th Mar 2006, 08:17
I have also heard the C172 was over its MTOW, and it seems to be true, but we can't assure anything until the official inform is released.
What is true and confirmed is that the crane was not authorized by DGAC (equivalent to CAA in UK) and it was higher than the obstacle limitation surfaces.