qantas just lost singapore engineering

[soldier of fortune]

syd int term engineering manager just notified staff(engineering)
that qantas have lost the singapore engineering contract australia wide and as a start there will be 30+ lame redundancies at syd international term line maintenance to start with -with more to come from the other ports.
so far- 60 redundancies - engine overhaul
70 redundancies- syd heavy maint announced yesterday
30+redundancies- syd international term line maint

virginblue/jetcare have won the contract of qantas

[OZcabincrew]

That's SQ's loss. They're over rated anyway

[qf_conehead]

That's SQ's loss. They're over rated anyway

I think its more of a loss to the 30+ guys that are losing their jobs, wouldn't you agree?

[NS Driver]

First it was Airports lossing the Pax and Ground handling. Then it was Engineering. Only one left and thats SQ's contract with the Pie Shops. Sounds ominous to me.

[Apophis]

Where is the loyalty ?
Gone you’re just a number no matter who you are.

[Mobi LAME]

If you are an employee and you want loyalty, buy a dog!

[OZcabincrew]

absolutely it is a loss for the people losing their jobs, but what was being done wrong for QF to lose the contract? was it all just $ $ $?

SQ just need to get over themselves.

one thing i can tell you though is that i would rather have Australians doing maintenance on our aircraft and not cheap labour. I was speaking to a few other crew and they are worried we're going to be flying on aircraft maintained by a Chinese sweat shop! A little bit worrying 30,000ft up in the air!

[huckleberry58]

Politics. Politics.

[Mel LAME]

Been told AMSA based in Bne got the handling contract.
BUT, who are they, how big are they, how competent are they?
Haven't really heard of them before, of any signifigance anyway.
Does anyone know what their background/history is? Can they really take over from QF and provide the technical expertise/people/infrastructure required for such a big contract? Did they advertise for positions, as QF support expires in November!
Would be interested to hear any opinion.

[soldier of fortune]

yeh my mistake --mel lame
amsa got the contract in syd as well--
amsa providing certification-- with patrick/jetcare providing
ground handling including arms and legs- this encompasses tows/apu starting etc etc--
they are a very small outfit here in syd and one wonders how they will ramp up for A380/b777 - i expect major problems .

i do recall an advertisement in the fri australian a short while ago looking for lame's with b777/b744 with pw4000 -good luck if they can find the Lame's -i hear amsa arn't paying very well

[soldier of fortune]

the plot thickens

[Mr.Buzzy]

Why would you renew a contract with a company that is on the verge of industrial revolt??????

bbbbbbbzzzzzzbbbbbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[soldier of fortune]

whats going on ---with this company

[OZcabincrew]

$$$$$$$ :suspect:

[soldier of fortune]

lies ,lies and more lies --who is telling the truth over the loss of the singapore maintenance contract--anyway have airnz decided to stay with qf engineering or are they about to go as well

[Bolty McBolt]

I wouldn’t believe all you read in the smh as the info supplied to it came from a biased source
SQ made a small error when they dumped their “commercial contract”(catering cleaning check in, baggage etc) with QF.
They Assumed that water service, REPOSITIONING TOWS and PUSH BACK TUGS were part of the ENGINEERING contract which was to remain.
In SQ this is the norm for Eng supply these services and was also true in many airports around the world until about 12 years ago.

(Something to note that TUGS/TOWS, water come out of the SQ engineering budget not commercial airports)

When SQ were confronted with the issue of having to find a Maint org capable of supplying Tugs/Tows to cater for its amount of traffic SQ enquired at QANTAS.
Apparently the word came from the top top not to supply tugs.

SQ now faced with having to pay QF Engineering for engineers and another company for tractor tugs found the bill was double the price of the old contract.
SQ wanted lower prices from QF Eng but would not go below cost.
SQs previous contract was a good deal as it was a “job lot” discounted for bulk user of all QFs services.

Looks like GD is playing GOD now engineers will lose their job thru no faults or inefficiencies of there own. :mad:

Air NZ can smell the blood in the water, can see QF under the thumb screw and is pushing for a better deal on their contract. Lets hope AirNZ stays, as it will be the loss of hundreds of jobs in all departments Aust wide :ouch:

[Richard Kranium]

nahhh mate.....the long haul pilots are going for a 3% pay rise...what a beauty. Dixon is in Slash & Burn mode with talented and experienced people loosing their jobs...and the untouchables are going for a pay rise...don't you just love it!

[flygirlnz]

Air NZ has lost the ground contract for SQ. It went over to planebiz.

It was hoped we would get it back, but from what I have just read about QF I doubt it now. Seems the Star Allliance and/or loyalty means nothing these days.

[Dropt McGutz]

Richard Kranium, your name says it all. Qantas have OFFERED a 3% payrise to all employee groups in returns for offsets. I wouldn't mind a 3% payrise but to have to give up conditions to stay up with inflation when they are making record profits and the executive management reward themselves with multi million dollar bonus's is a bit rich. Now Dixon is making threats to the pilot group if we vote no. Is it any wonder so many employee's are pissed off at Qantas? Employee's get no thanks or respect from executive management. We're just treated like **** and walked all over. How convenient that Qantas has forgotten how the pilots took a 0% payrise a few years ago when things were tough and now they turn around and wave the big stick at us. How convenient!

[Richard Kranium]

If my name says it all...so what does the name Dropt McGutz say?...something intelligent I suppose....probably the most intelligent utterances come from that end in your case.

The ABC only interviewed some untouchable from AIPA, did not hear from anyone else...

So your are saying the maintenece boys and girls are being offered a 3% payrise while threats of 3000 jobs going at the same time...

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Dropt McGutz]

I believe your last statement amy well be correct Richard.

[Bolty McBolt]

Monsieur Kranium and Dropt.

The maintenance people being offered redundancies had their EBA ratified (many rats in the process) at Jan 1 this year…..
I believe it is the L/H pilots and S/H CC who are still to negotiate their deal.

Whom are you referring to ..asking for pay rise whilst jobs are falling?????


Bolty

[Richard Kranium]

Mr McBolt...I thought it odd that maintenance people are under threat of 3000 job cuts and exported overseas, while at the same time I hear on the ABC that the L/H pilots or AIPA are going for a 3% pay rise, so much for the Spirit of Australia.:confused:

[Richard Kranium]

What does that have to do with the price of eggs...they are covered by AWU/AMWU and what!...what does that mean...that the jobs won't be sent overseas...just an ambit claim by Dixon so that the unions comes into the negotiations shaking in their boots roll over and capitulate...well ok he will come out smelling like roses I guess and a hero of the government and AIPA...otherwise I guess the jobs will go.:hmm:

[Dropt McGutz]

I didn't realise the engineers EBA had already been signed off. It just so happens that the long haul pilots EBA is being voted on right now, after twelve months of negotiations. As I said before, massive profits and huge executive bonus's and the staff are being told you may lose your jobs and we can't afford more than a CPI increase - as long as you give offsets. The whole thing reeks of hypocrisy. :yuk:

[Bolty McBolt]

At the moment... The current redundancies are only being offered to LAMES at major maint. They need to keep their AMEs (AWU/AMWU staff) to make major maint more efficient. Need a high AME / LAME ratio. This is for the department to survive.
The 30 jobs at the Syd Int Term is a figure plucked to illustrate the amount of manpower the SQ required. Lets hope the man-hours can be redeployed rather than job cuts




From what I have read in other threads.
The L/H pilots are about to have their vote..Many RATs in this process too
From my experience as a LAME if they vote no and arent willing to take action to back it up.(of the industrial kind)

When they come back to the table to negociate they will be offered less and the pay rises will start at the day of RATIFICATION..ie NO back pay to the end of the last EBA.

We are all watching

[Richard Kranium]

Well I just don't want to see people loose their jobs especially when Qantas has poted a record profit....it just amounts to pure greed.:yuk:

[soldier of fortune]

seems a couple of very recent ex qf sydney engineering maintenance managers have taken over the sq contract in conjuction with amsa

[the shaman]

jungle tom toms say that one of those ex QF managers initials are KP... true or false

[The masked goatrider]

KP is true.
PP seems to have joined him.

Don't think we will be seeing KMc there though.

[soldier of fortune]

has the qantas - air newzealand line maint contrat been re-newed or as the rumors keep saying qf have lost that one too.

[unhappy worker]

Have heard that the ANZ contract is on a month to month deal, along with the news that the BA work is going Base Maint in Syd. This has made the SIT boys a little uneasy, seems like RH didn't want the work but KMc did.

[A1BUGSMASHER]

With QANTAS lossing the SQ contract and the AirNZ contract still up for grabs why wouldn't any LAME worried about their future at QANTAS apply for a job with AMSA??

With the current uncertainty in QANTAS wouldn't it make sense to work somewhere with job security being paid slightly less to begin with?? I hear AMSA plan to pay a little more than QANTAS by early next year...... Just my thoughts, no doubt I'll be howled down!

Bugs

[OzExpat]

I had an idea that QF maintenance acquired ISO9001/2000 accreditation a couple of years ago. Also thought I heard that the Flight Ops Dept had consistently failed to acquire the same accreditation. Not sure how true this is but feel sure that the ISO accreditation thing must be costing QF a bundle to keep in Maintenance and to (fail to) acquire for Flight Ops.

QF has always been my first choice for travel as SLF and I was bouyed by the thought that their maintenance was of the highest standard. However, if maintenance is to be out-sourced (and I assume the successful contractor will have to hold the same ISO accreditation), maybe QF has given up on those efforts and related costs to themselves?

Maybe someone can connect the dots on this for me?

[sys 4]

AMSA are no longer hiring they have the numbers they need to run the op,as for maintenance standards not dropping if the work s outsourced,think again.
It's very nieve to think that work that is outsourced will be done to the same standard, when u are a 3rd party op your focus is to make money which ever way possible as this is your primary source of income,as an airline your primary source of income is flying pax and your maintenance op are back room done by your own people who's only concern is aircraft saftey,not making a profit for your employer.