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Captain Smiley
7th Oct 2005, 16:27
I read somewhere that when calculating take off and landing distance, a pilot should use 150% of the tailwind and 50% of a headwind component.

Is this true and where can I get details on this?

Gary Lager
7th Oct 2005, 16:52
JAR-OPS 1.490(c) 5)

...which can be downloaded from:

JAR OPS 1 (http://www.jaa.nl/publications/jars/540407.pdf)

3 Point
7th Oct 2005, 17:11
Hi Capt Smiley,

As ever, it depends on what aeroplane you are flying and for what purpose. For a private flight you can do what you like, there are no regulations beyond the captain's obligation to ensure that the flight may be safely conducted etc etc. The CAA have a very good leaflet on Aeroplane Performance here http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?categoryid=33&pagetype=65&applicationid=11&mode=list&type=sercat&id=21 it's well worth a read.

You should also read the Pilot's manual for your aeroplane. In the performance section it will have data but this may be measured data, gross data or nett data with safety factors already included - read carefully so that you know what you are starting with. Often but by no means always the 150%/50% wind factors are included; you can tell if the data is in graphical form because the lines on the wind correction part of the graph will show a marked kink as they cross zero. this means you can use raw wind data and the different gradient of the line will correct for 150% of the tailwind and only 50% of the headwind.

AIC 67/2002 (pink36) covers performance in light aircraft and it recommends (Section 5.4.1) that not more than 50% of the headwind and not less than 1505 of the tailwind should be used; it's also well worth a read.

If you flight is public transport there will be a performance manual and you must do exactly what it says as this and only this will have been approved by the CAA.

Happy landings!

3 Point

john_tullamarine
8th Oct 2005, 02:23
3 point has the story ... the AFM/POH will have the design rules pertinent to the Type built into the data (it follows that you need to know the rules if you intend to use the book intelligently).

With heavy QRH data, the numbers generally will approximate raw data .. again you need to know the rules to use the QRH intelligently.

Reason for the 50/150 is pretty simple .. wind is not steady in the real world so it is reasonable to figure that the headwind might not be all there at the time of takeoff/landing while there might be a bit more tailwind than expected for the same cases. Why stick your neck out too far on to the chopping block ?

Old Smokey
8th Oct 2005, 11:22
.......and never forget that whilst there is a bit of 'fat' built into the Headwind and Tailwind cases, there'e absolutely none built into the Nil wind scenario.

Regards,

Old Smokey