Sussex Police recruiting pilots

[aeromys]

FLIGHT (http://www.flightinternational.com/Jobs/2005/09/01/1450486/Helicopter+Line+Pilots.html)

[Max Contingency]

£46,000 pa plus benefits. That seems OK. Is that about the industry standard for all you copper chopper out there?

[handysnaks]

No.
It's about right for Directly employed
Its much higher than for contracted pilots
:sad:

[cyclic]

MC

Bear in mind you have got to live within 45 mins of Shoreham and the price of property there is alarming!

[SilsoeSid]

Brighton can't be more than half an hour away.

Mmmm, I have some very good friends who live in Brighton! I wonder if they would be able to fit me in ;) :ooh:

Or at least let me camp out a bit there!! :E
In their backyard of course !!:ooh:

[Thomas coupling]

£46000 GBS
$85,000 US
$100,000 CAN
$110,000 AUS
$120,000 NZ
900,000 MEX

Starting salary for a UK police pilot.

How does this fare with the rest of the civilised world?

[rotorque]

Close.....

In Oz (NSW to be exact) you can expect around $90 to $95000 including overtime and cancelled rest days etc....

cheers

[semirigid rotor]

"Starting salary for a UK police pilot." As always TC you are having a laugh:E

The majority of UK police pilots dream of earning those kind of figures:{ As for benefits, non existant for contract pilots even if they have been at the same ASU for many years.

[PANews]

The problem - and it is an ever increasing one - is the finite number of pilots. Especially when nations prefer to attract pilots exclusively from their own 'pot' ....

Many rotary types are being attracted to the higher rates with the ever growing number of airlines and that will exert greater fiscal pressures on police/emergency services pilot remuneration.

You may not be in the stratophere bracket now but the pressure is certainly up. Unless the nationality and training/experience barriers are lowered a little.... but that may only delay the rise.

[SASless]

Ease the Nationality barrier just a little bit would you....got the experience, training, and licensing part covered. My alternative plan is to hang around laundromats chatting to the dhoby women till I find a wife.

Hey Whirls....that gives me an idea!

When I stop around your place to get the crabs.....maybe we can discuss it.:E

[jayteeto]

Starting salary!!!!
TC, you must have a good job, because it will take me another 4 years to get near that figure.....

[Thud_and_Blunder]

Oh, you've gone and done it now Jayteeto! He only does it to wind up the hard-working Chief Pilots of non-directly employed units... works every time!

[Letsby Avenue]

JT - It's worth being paid less to avoid the nightmare of 'Personal Development Reviews' Where common sense is replaced by Politically correct HR thought police:(

[FloaterNorthWest]

Most of the directly employed Units couldn't pay me enough to work for them.

FNW.

[jayteeto]

PDRs... forgot about that. I could note that I now know how to align a satellite dish, my cooking has improved ten-fold and I am getting to be an expert at upsetting the managment with my car parking. Can I have my bonus for that???

[handysnaks]

Well, as PDR's have come to PAS give it time and they'll make it to you too.:rolleyes:

[Whirlygig]

When I stop around your place to get the crabs.

Sassy,

Would you care to rephrase that?

Cheers

Whirls

[R22DRIVER]

Whirls,

What have you and Sassy been up to!!;)

[Whirlygig]

Nothing that wasn't plain for all to see at Redhill Airshow - and Flying Lawyer was with us! Although according to another thread, they are indistinguishable ;)

... but we digress...

we should be having a pop at HR/Personnel/Fluffy Departments!! Takes the heat off accountants not paying enough!

Cheers

Whirls

[Darren999]

Starting pay in the GOM $47,000ish.... No turbine time required....

[MightyGem]

At $1.8 to the £, that's £26111. Wouldn't get out of bed for that. Especially to fly over water on one engine!:uhoh:

[ShyTorque]

Well, that's all that PF#1 says his pilots are worth. ;)

[MightyGem]

...looking for a Chief Training Captain.
here. (http://www.flightinternational.co.uk/Jobs/2005/10/11/1450728/Helicopter+Chief+Training+Captain++Flight+Safety+Officer.htm l)

[FloaterNorthWest]

Mighty,

It's a Chief TRAINING Captain, not sure if it is in addition to the Chief Pilot.

56K is quite good but not many people with the relevant qualifications that I can think of who are available. Nice part of the country.

FNW

[MightyGem]

Thanks FNW.
56K is quite good
More than quite good I'd say, or doesn't it match your upcoming new job? :rolleyes:

[Droopy]

So if it's a chief training captain does that mean they have another TRE, which would seem rather a lot for a single ASU?

"Desirable"...EC135 qualification? What's between the lines there? This sounds eminently sensible for a company recruitment, but for an ASU....?

[MightyGem]

Hmmm...perhaps there will be another 902 up for sale shortly.:rolleyes:

[CareBear]

Explorer IR required ????? Does such an animal exist in UK?
I think I am right in believing that all the police units are still operating single pilot, and there are no(well perhaps 1) single pilot IFR certified explorers in UK.
I know that there was a move afoot to make all night HEMS in UK IFR but I thought that was some time off still.
As far as I am aware, Police / HEMS work in UK is still all VFR or has that changed recently?

"Applications without ALL of the listed requirements will not be considered"------Do Sussex Police Really mean that?! If so then there is probably only 1, perhaps 2 people currently qualified to apply.

[Droopy]

Well CB, perhaps you've provided the answer.... the ad didn't have any particular initials in the essential/desirable list did it?

[MightyGem]

Yes, all UK Police aircraft are single pilot, and all Police ops are VFR, but I think that most, if not all, the Police Explorers are SPIFR aircraft.

[Helinut]

Guys,

Remember that in the new PAOM a police TRE requires an IR on type. Like others, I suspect this one has been written to have a very small number of applicants :rolleyes:

[FloaterNorthWest]

There are probably only four or five people who meet all of the requirements in the list, but I can only think of one possible who might apply, and no Mighty Gem it is not me. It is quite a restrictive list and only time will tell if they had a name in the frame already.

Carebear, the questions about Explorers and SPIFR have been answered. The CAA changed the PAOM in Feb 04 to include the requirement for all Police TREs to hold an IR so that during the six monthly OPC pilots could fly in 'actual' IMC conditions.

FNW

[MightyGem]

Yes FNW, I know where you're going. :ok:
And I'm going home 'cos we're u/s.

[FloaterNorthWest]

MightyGem,

I should have been working with you tonight but got switched to Manchester so would have got the night off!!

Very unreliable the 135 ;)

FNW

[Thomas coupling]

Some observations:
1. Aren't Sussex a 902? If so, why 135 exp;?
2. Aren't Sussex contract pilots (PAS)?

Sussex are already night HEMS, they are the only police unit in the country to get that exemption (Jar 300.5d). They dont need an IR driver for this exemption.

What's wrong with contracting a CTC in when needed....far cheaper?

[Helinut]

TC,

Sussex are going direct employed - see recent threads about their advert for line pilots. This is no doubt part of that.

Perhaps they are going to offer their TRE on the open market? He won't get much practice just doing the Sussex line pilots.....

[aeromys]

Or perhaps they're forming an alliance with a neighbour who operates a 135? :suspect:

[Thomas coupling]

Bit bloody quick off the mark re - regionalisation if you ask me. I dont think it's in preparation for this. Might be a current collaboration issue which is about to be overtaken by events.:ooh:

We did a review of this ourselves but realised:
(a) CTC's cost an arm and a leg to keep current, and:
(b) Conflict of interests/personality issues precluded us from hiring direct.
Stick with an outsider examiner....that way the Boss knows exactly what the pilot standard is like.

[MightyGem]

1. Aren't Sussex a 902? If so, why 135 exp;?
Perhaps they are another ASU who are thinking of replacing their 902 with a 135.:E

[Bravo73]

Or it might just be (as the ad actually says):

Type Ratings on our relief Bo 105 aircraft and the EC135 are desirable but not essential


But, of course, one should never let the truth get in the way of a good story/conspiracy... :E


Edited to add: In light of Droopy's post, in turns out that I'm the one who should've read the ad properly :{ - I initially interpreted it that both the 105 & 135 were used as relief aircraft but it's obviously not the case. I guess that they are probably after a 135 after all. My bad. (And thanks Droopy).

[Droopy]

Indeed, but as we're talking about a pilot to be employed by an ASU that has a 902 with 105 as backup and apparently no link whatsoever with the 135, then why not have a little speculation about why the 135 would be "desirable"?

[PANews]

Bravo 73 you are being a bit twitchy there...

As you say the ad actually states


Type Ratings on our - relief - Bo 105 aircraft - and the EC135 - are desirable but not essential.



It may be wholly accidental but as Droopy says it does attract speculation. And what else is Pprune for!

[Helinut]

1. They are going to swap their 902 for an EC135; or

2. They are planning on linking with an ASU that has an EC135; or

3. They are intending to sell their TRE into the market; or

4. Specifying those precise requirements limits the people who fit to the person that they actually want to employ; or...........

[PANews]

as straight comments.... no inside line suggested...

1. They are going to swap their 902 for an EC135

Unlikely, if only because the lead time for such an occurence [under normal circumstances] would be a minimum of 18 months.
This advert is for here and now and any employed pilot would lose 135 currency in that timescale.


2. They are planning on linking with an ASU that has an EC135

Unlikely, if only because the likely link up with [Surrey] EC135 unit must be at least 3-5 years away. If it is assumed that a force link goes that way. On this I assume that Sussex would not link up with a force that did not provide an ajoining border.

And that pre-suposes such a link is viable/acceptable.

Which leaves....

3. They are intending to sell their TRE into the market; or

4. Specifying those precise requirements limits the people who fit to the person that they actually want to employ;

and of course ....

or...........

[Bearintheair]

Well done chaps, got it in .................................4 or 3 or 2 or 1 !!!!!

[FloaterNorthWest]

So the question of who has got it has been answered.

It would be very un-PC of me to post it on an open forum.

FNW

[Thomas coupling]

Very helpful Floater...PM me!

[MightyGem]

So, a PC's got the job then. What's goin'on 'ere then?

[SilsoeSid]

MG,

Shouldn't that be;

"'Ello, 'ello ' ello, what's goin'on 'ere then?

;)
SS

[MightyGem]

Yes, but I didn't want to sound too cliched. :rolleyes:

[Droopy]

So it wouldn't have anything to do with the initials then...

[aeromys]

This is just toooooo cryptic. PC?
They've hired Prince Charles?
Or Penelope Cruz?
Phil mcCavity?

[SilsoeSid]

If Phil mcCavity is going, then Ben Doon must also be there!

:ooh:
SS


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