Red Bull Air Race In Australia??

[pall]

Have you seen any of the ReD Bull Air Race events? I saw one on TV a number of months ago. They race around inflated pilons and do a sequence of aero routines. Held at various cities like: Dubai, Rotterdam, Budapest. About 6 or 7 aerobatic competitors. Looks like the equivelent of a Formula 1 event for aviation. Check their web page.

http://www.redbullairrace.com/

Very exciting!

What about forming a group to approach the organisers to bring this event to Australia. I am thinking Sydney or Melbourne would be great. They use a harbour type setting where the public can view the action.

I am keen to try to organise such a venture but need support.:O

[Matt-YSBK]

What and let other then helos or seaplanes in R405

Forget it.

Besides i dont think you could get insurance for something like that in OZ.

[Ultralights]

or countless complaints about people have a FUN day out!

[tipsy]

I doubt if anyone in CASA has the balls to approve such an event. In fact I would venture to suggest there would an unholy racket of people hiding under desks or knocking all before them in effort to get out of A Woods House at the mere mention of such an event.:=

No doubt the OLC would also deem such an event to be illegal and against all and sundry sections of the Act, the CAR's and of course the CASR's. Then they would skulk around the photocopy machine trying to find out what the event actually was they had declared illegal:p :p

As far as I am concerned, please keep mentioning Red Bull as my nephew is part of the pit crew for the F1 race team and all publicity is good publicity. :ok:

tipsy
:yuk: :yuk: furball:yuk: :yuk:
Don't lie, steal or cheat, the Government hates competition.

[Ultralights]

its a shame that events such as the Red Bull air races, or similar have very little hope of ever being held in Oz.. :{ :{

but on a more positive note, i prey the release a DVD with all the highlights, interviews and technical footage similar to that on their website... that dvd if it ever becomes a reality will be one of my all time favourites.

[pall]

I guess you are all just being realistic! True it is probably a dream to expect that such an event could come to OZ. I still say its worth a try for the sheer spectacle of it. Not to mention the increased profile for aviation.

Remember we have AVALON AIRSHOW as a reality. Such a venture would never have come about if organisers had listened to the pundits I am sure.

[Rocket Rob]

Pall

Yeah go for it mate the knockers and "It wont happen brigade on here" are so negative that they lose sight of anything that get's mentioned? It takes someone like you to get the ball rolling and do not worry the I told you so's will soon get on the bandwagon and take over for all the kudos.

I for one would like to see it happen here (we all have a bit of apprehension) but lets do it.!!!

[AcroAce60]

It just needs a sponsor.
After that, everything that needs to happen, will happen.

[Feather #3]

If you get a chance to see it live; don't miss it!!:)

G'day ;)

[Chronic Snoozer]

I second Feather #3. Saw the race in Zeltweg, Austria i.e. the home of Red Bull. Its a fantastic concept.

It doesn't need sponsors - its Red Bull. I can't understand why such an event couldn't be held in Australia, go for it pall - sounds like the sort of thing Australians need to promote aviation!

Ignore the naysayers and find out the real facts of the matter.

[Wizofoz]

The British CAA is EVERY bit as anal as CASA (More so IMHO) yet a red Bull race was held here recently. Didn't get to go, but apparently well attended and got some good press.

They don't do anything that wouldn't be covered by the low-level rating most top air-show and unlimited comp-aero guys do, so I'm sure it could come to AUS if the $$$ could be found.

[pall]

I have emailed RED BULL AUSTRALIA to see what I can organise.

Thanks to those who have been so encouraging. I am more than a little enthusiastic about aviation matters, I guess you have noticed, so don't need much encouragement to go further with this idea.

I am sure that this must be a fantastic spectacle. Posts from those who have seen it 1st hand are helpful to generate interest and support.:ok:

[Mere Mortal]

It would be fantastic to see this spectacle in Oz. I think Albert park lake would be a good venue as well. It's not only CASA, but Insurance companies will be reluctant to back it. Not to mention the environmental impact study and community consultation over a 12 month period that DOTARS (the real enermy) will force them to undertake.

Would definately go, but I think a trip to the Northern hemisphere will be the only way possible.

MM

[Chronic Snoozer]

Clearly, holding the event over a built up area is going to increase the risk, but it doesn't have be so. It can be held over water, over an airfield wherever.

Ignore the negative-vibe merchants and the red herrings about EISs and insurance companies not supporting it. It is a professionally run event, flown by professionals. Better to get the facts before giving it the thumbs down.

[CHAIRMAN]

There was a pylon race held at Redcliffe in '84 as part of an air show. It was a handicap race over a triangular course (boats in the bay with spotters), with speed trials held the days before.
The finish was spectacular for the public with all contestants on the final leg down the runway. The 'race' was won by a Mooney, but those in the know reckon he fudged his time trials.
The deal was fairly tightly controlled by DCA, DOT or whoever at the time, but the event TOOK PLACE!
Maybe the same approval people are still working there?!!
Go for it!

[PS2A_yay!]

Maybe its something the Australian Aerobatic Club can get behind! There would be enough interest in that event from the aeros club, surely.

As a member of the club myself, i certainly would push hard for it to come down under!!

Have been watching keenly on TV, and those guys are incredible! Would love to give it a go!!

[pall]

PS2A_yay!,

Great idea. I will approach the club further down the track. Do they have a web page?

No email reply from Red Bull yet. I will try to contact them again via another avennue. Will keep you (and others) informed via pprune.

[Contract Con]

Pall,

Great idea, keep on it. Holding the event on private property will illeviate most of the CASA low flying probs and some of the insurance woes.

Lyndsay Fox owns YMAV and is a motorsport fanatic. See how you go. Damn Jet* going in there may interrupt things though.

The over water idea is a good one also.

Good luck, the support will follow.

Cheers,

Contract Con:ok:

[PS2A_yay!]

Pall,

They do have a website. It is
www.aerobaticsaustralia.com.au (http://www.aerobaticsaustralia.com.au) All contact details are found within.

Good Luck. Keep us all posted on your progress.

I will talk to the Vic president, and see if i can turn up any other loose ends.

[djpil]

There are indeed one or two loose ends but I doubt whether the aerobatic club itself would be interested in organising an event like that.
Red Bull is more of a circus for the public. The aerobatic club typically organises events just for its own members. The club might not want to risk its funds on organising an airshow.

[pall]

Red Bull will not respond to my emails. I will now get on the 'DOG & BONE' and see what I can rustle up.

[Mongrel Dog]

There used to be a bienniel pylon racing event in Tassie a few years back. It was called Skyrace and was quite popular at the time. If I recall correctly, Bob Hoover did a flying display there once. Not sure why they stopped having it in the end

[pall]

Red Bull has answered my email request. They are negotiating a leg of the Air Race in Australia. I will keep on it!

"We are currently in discussions with a number of states within Australia regarding the 2006 Australian leg of the Red Bull Air Race World Series.

We have forwarded your message to Luke Hannan, our Sports Marketing Manager who will be in touch with you should he require your assistance."

[Obiwan]

The aerobatic club typically organises events just for its own members. The club might not want to risk its funds on organising an airshow. Heaven forbid they should do something to promote aviation and their sport to the public...

ps. Pall, good news :ok:

[djpil]

From the aerobatic club's point of view - its purpose is defined by its members. That includes promotion of the club amongst potential members, which is not the general public. Join the club, Obiwan, pay your modest subscription and have your say then will you offer to personally contribute to a share of the many $ needed to underwrite the Red Bull event?
The aerobatic club is not in the business of running circuses for the general public.
As for those discussions regarding Red Bull here in '06, I'll continue the discussion of the aerobatic club's involvement or not, as the case may be, when its all settled.

[N5528P]

What the hell is going on here?

@ All Australians BE HAPPY WITH YOUR AUTHORITY!

I have been to SYD three times because I got relatives in Bankstwon and have also been to this wonderful airport.

You are allowed to do thinks down under we in Austria can't even dream of - like no ground control at Bankstown. Not to mention the landing of aircraft on the eastern beach of Fraser Island without having ten trucks bringing equipment to close down the beach for at least 10 km!!!.

I am from Austria and I attended the event in Zeltweg (LOXZ) and have also been to Salzburg Airport (OWS) where the Hangars No 7 & No. 8 are the home of the Red Bull Wing.

The airshow itself was great and to avoit troubles with insurance and locals the show was at an army air field, where civil authorities have nothing to say at all. :ok:

Mr. Mateschitz, the Boss of Red Bull is used to orgnaize such points on highest levels, so bringing the Air Race down under would probably mean to connect it to an airshow of the armed forces, just to avoid too much hazzle.

They are not responding to your emails, because the get thousands of such emails every day - the are surely not looking for a sponsor sin e Red Bull IS the Sponsor. They are really invetsing into that aviation part...

You might want to check out the website Hangar 7 (http://www.hangar-7.com) which is great. Admission is free throughout the year (except certain private events in the hangar which occur very seldom) and the bars / restaurant in there are simply great - rather high prices, but worth every cent.

So if you really have to apologize for something, take your girlfriend there - an ideal place for any aviation enthusiast to spend a weekend with yircarft AND you girlfriend without offending either one :cool: .

Regards, Bernhard

P.S. Is RED BULL sold in Australia and how much is it there?

[djpil]

...... to avoit troubles with insurance and locals the show was at an army air field, where civil authorities have nothing to say at all...... are surely not looking for a sponsor sin e Red Bull IS the Sponsor not quite true, N5528P:
- its a civil operation regardless of venue
- the military, in my experience, have onerous requirements for insurance of civil operators at their bases; apart from the spectators
- Red Bull is the major sponsor of these events but not the only one

[pall]

N5528P,

Went to the Hanger 7 link you gave us. Looks very exciting. What sort of AIRPORT is this facility at? I would love to promote something like this here.

A major backer would be needed. I have a few ideas about how this could be facilitated.

You have to dream!