Emerald Airways

[dillis-does-dallas]

Im have been offerd a position with Emerald Airways at Liverpool any guys got any information on them as in future plans, reliability and if its a good idea to go to then cheers

[Ransman]

What aircraft have you been offered, and is it for freight or pax flying? know they were trying LPL-IOM with ATP's in pax config, but it seems they have handed the route and crews to EuroManx. I would guess if it's freight you're after, they are a good, solid operation. Pax, well may be a gamble. Depends where you're coming from, and what you're aspirations are.

[part69]

Go for It!

Emerald have turned them selves round in the last few months.

I would imagine it will be for 748/shorts fleet, lots of business and plenty of flying going on at moment!

If it is for ATP likewise, lots of charter work happening for both a/c and is definatly not a gamble as 3rd pax a/c is being sourced and still have 2 a/c being configured for freighters.

You will enjoy your flying at Emerald

Good luck!

[Maude Charlee]

Flying may be fun, but I don't think you'll be quite so chuffed with driving all over the country in a hire car in the middle of the night positioning from one airport to another. Lots of much much better jobs.

[EGBKFLYER]

If you don't want it, I'll have it!

[DoleBoy]

Dillis check your PM's

[Germstone]

Emerald have turned them selves round in the last few months.


yes they have

gone from being very profitable to nearly going bang so yes they have turned themselves around....just in the wrong direction !

[silverknapper]

And don't give them any lump sums up front.

[Germstone]

I believe some Emerald staff members are out of pocket to the tune of hundreds of pounds for expenses incurred carrying out there duties.

some going back to feb/march this year.

This certainly is one strange company to work for!!!

[Say again s l o w l y]

Not sure about the definition of 'turning themselves around."

Fat and fire come to mind!

For god's sake don't give them any money upfront, as for expenses claims, there are probably some owing from Feb/March last year!

You'll enjoy the flying, but be very careful......

[Germstone]

When it comes to Emerald at the moment.

Caution is the word that first springs to mind

[part69]

If you look at germstone and say again slowly's history all they can do is slag company off!

You get paid duty pay, there for you should have no expenses to pay. If you paying for things out of your own money thats your fault, the duty pay system is there to stop you doing that!

Definition of thurning themselves around.
If you make a pprune search on emerald it will tell you what happened to company just before christmas.
Are emerald still hear? yes!

[Germstone]

Part 69

yeah i usually do slag emerald off for sure i will openly admit it.

basically im only slagging the company the people who work for the company are great.....the management are inept directionless and generally let what could be a great company lie in obscurity

im still waiting for them to turn themselves around start treating the workforce correctly and generally tidy up there shabby act

hopefully when or if they do I may have something to compliment them about......could be a long wait though :-(

Untill then i feel completely justified and stand by every post i have put on this board.

a first good move would be to remove the tyrant at the top MOB

[cruiseczechs]

Dillis, I wouldn't congratulate yourself too much. Anyone with a licence and the ability to pay for a type rating stands a good chance with Emerald.
They are desperate to save on costs, so posting FO's to their outlying bases (this could be Naples, Marseille, Bournemouth, Coventry, Dublin or Belfast) seems to be the flavour of the day. This saves them positioning costs, hotels and duty pay; many guys are promised a Liverpool base and end up somewhere else.
Take advise from someone who has been there too long, if you can get a job anywhere else then take it, and think very carefully before paying a large amount of money to put an obsolete aircraft on your licence.

[74Freight]

Start on 18,000 plus £1.50 per hour duty pay which is paid form report time to going home time (ie during night stops etc)
Increase 3% per year.
Not the best terms and conditions, lots of driving around in hire cars but a good first job with experience of manual flying in bad weather at night etc.
If you are looking for first commercial job, (and don't get on a jet)
stomach it for a year or two and move on.
Until last year we used to bond rather than SSTR, you need to think carefully as not many operators of Sheds, 748s and ATPs around before paying for rating. The banks seem to be supporting us till the ATP mistake starts to make some money so hopefully we will be safe for the time being.

[Germstone]

MOB has kept the FOs pay rate at that for years his view of pilots is that they are a necessary evil....bit like the engineers too!

He hates it because the pilots and engineers have a very direct effect on his stranglehold of the company.

he relies on a fluid workforce pay them some of the lowest rates in the industry make them work sily hours and commute silly distances in hire cars up and down the uk and europe.

because after all were only after getting a few hundred hours under our belts then of after a jet job so why look after them??

same with the engineers just after getting licenced and the experience...no need to look after them either...because they will be off after a propper airline job too!!!!

anyway last one out turn off the lights...

[Say again s l o w l y]

People are still driving about in hire cars? Thought that had been put to bed a long time ago, especially BEFORE a duty. Naughty naughty.

Part69, obviously you have no idea about Emerald and it's operation. Duty pay covers naff all, especially when you are trying to claim back things such as medical and licence renewals.

Which christmas are you talking about? I think you need to go back another 12 months. That was when all the post office fun happened. They are even deeper in the mire now than they were then.

As has been said before, be careful, but if you do go there, you'll get good experience in both how to do stuff (workforce) and how not to do stuff (management).

How many Sheds are actually flying at the moment? I know for a fact it isn't the 11 they quote on the website.

[Germstone]

no where near that number of sheds operational !!

[thereceiver2004]

hello all
been invited to the interviews next week in liverpool

anyone else going ?

whats the deal 9K for the rating whats the pay like, how much flying likely to get per year ??

TR

[Germstone]

how much flying likely to get per year ??

almost equal the amount of hire car driving...lots

[thereceiver2004]

well that was a really useful reply. thanks for taking the time to log on and type it

any useful comments would be great.. thanks

[Say again s l o w l y]

Around 500-600 a year. It seems like a lot more!!

[CAP509castaway]

the reciever2004,
Likely to be lower than 500 depends on the base, which can be anywhere in Europe.
Good luck and don't stay too long!

[Delta Wun-Wun]

Can I ask how many different places Emerald fly to and are all the pilots UK based? Which is the busiest fleet and if you could choose which of the three types do you think would be the best to opt for?

Cheers

DWW

[EGKK]

Emerald and MOB mmmmmmmmmmmm !

[Say again s l o w l y]

Budgies are geriatric (as is anything that still has lancaster instruments!), Sheds are knackered and the ATP's are basket cases.

Very few companies still operate these types, so there are better long term investments around.

Shed crews are U.K based as are most of the 748 fleet, ATP's are both European and UK based.

[mrwilko]

Anyone get a reply from the Late August open day? I met two other applicants at Balpa at the weekend who didn't even get a dear John. Emerald open day, closed result.

[airpilot]

I would'nt mind a job with Emerald,lots of good flying and experience. The only thing stopping me is that you have to pay for your own rating. No way matey. Why Why are people buying their own ratings, airlines will continue to expect this and many good pilots with slim cheque books cant afford it.I think we should wait a little while as I think things will change with the whole sstr. I really dont know why emerald cant bond you and reduce your salary per year to cover the type.

[High'n'Low]

I have read this thread and thought would give the guy asking for some advice, some genuine facts not some useless info from bitter ex-employees (shall I say that again slowly???)

1: HS748 is an ageing aircraft but it is a great aircraft for honing those hand flying skills. You also get a wide range of routes. Granted they do have a policy of basing people at different bases but this is not perculiar to Emerald, all airlines do it.

2: The ATP is a very good aircraft. It is a heavy modern turboprop. Routes are a bit limited but as has been pointed out as the next few aircraft come online the routes will improve.

3: I agree, they are slow at paying expenses but your salary is always paid on time in my experience.

4: There is a lot of positioning around the country that is true. Generally speaking you shouldnt have to do it on your own before a duty, if you do you should get a hotel room to rest before your duty.

5: I am not saying Emerald is a great company but also I am not saying its not. What I will say is that it is a good place to cut your teeth as it were. With regards to paying, that I cant advise. Personally I wouldnt pay for the 748 but I would for the ATP.

To the guys out there who are considering Emerald then I hope that I have given you a small insight. pls pm me if you want further info. You just need to ignore the bitter people out there.
Good luck guys

[Say again s l o w l y]

I'll say it more clearly then.

There are better ways to spend your money.

Actually I'm not bitter anymore, leaving Emerald has turned out to be one of the best things that has happened to me. Despite the way I was treated at the time.

How many ATP's are there at the moment that haven't been sold off to Atlantic?

I'll just re-iterate my comments from before, you'll learn alot whilst working for Emerald, how to really fly an a/c, how to have a laugh with the other crews and how to read CAP371 before you actually do any duties. (Just to check!!)

There's good stuff and bad stuff there, but as a first job it is great, but paying £12K for an aircraft type that gives you very limited options other than Emerald is not IMHO very sensible. Especially when a 73 or A320 rating can be got for not an awful lot more.

Are the rumours true though, I heard from a number of people that Mick is thinking of leaving? Is that the case?