EK Engineering staff quitting

[coolcaper]

Hey, has anybody heard of all the people quitting in the EK Engineering department? Seems a lot of mechs and engrs are fed up and are moving on to GREENER pastures!!

[Andu]

I suspect your use of the word 'greener' was rather carefully considered, 'coolcaper'.

I've heard that one of the very big bosses from MAS came visiting DXB a day or two ago and invited all the ex-MAS engineers along for tea and bikkies. (An offer, I understand, to borrow a phrase from Mario Puzo, that "could not be refused" by any Malaysian who might want to go home one day.)

I understand he offered them a 60% pay rise [ that's SIXTY PERCENT!!!] and (I think) some sort of preferential choice of station.

Have yet to hear how the offer was received.

[coolcaper]

Guys, apparently the MAS team has come down to select anyone wanting to join MAS, not only the malaysians. And a pretty good package is being offered as well. All happening in the next couple of days and from rumours going around there have been a lot of applications. All goes to show how well EK is being run! Well all I can say is good luck to AAR and his team!!

[Warlock2000]

Good for you!

Maybe when there are a few shiny B777-300 ER's parked with no-one to fly them or fix them AAR will get the message.

[Can't think of a name]

Absolutley Amazing!!!

How can one man run two key departments into the ground so quickly and effectivley..... and SIMULTANEAOUSLY, and still keep his job?

If you or I did our job 10% as badly as AAR does his, we would have a bunch of unwell passengers and a big hole in the ground! Not to mention we would also wear the result personally! I guess the motivation is different if you can watch from afar?

Good luck to our peers in Engineering: I wish them all the best!! We in Ops don't appreciate how badly they've been treated. I guess what goes around, comes around, eh? About time... remember some saying about, reaping what one sows?

[EY777]

I really can't comprehend MAS mismanagers.On one hand they entice the engineers to come back & work with MAS at expat pay (even though they are locals :confused: ) & another Mismanager won't pay a single cent more to stop the exodus of pilots to the middle east carriers.

I guess this is their way of saying 'up yours EK !' after approaching EK's management to stop the 'pinching' of MAS's pilots & rightfully being told that the pilots 'applied willingly'.

Indeed market forces have spoken & it is a good omen that our engineering brothers are finally getting their due :ok:

[singleseater]

Was talking to a very senior EK Line Eng the other morning. They have just been given a pay rise. 800 Dhs per month, regardless of length of service. That is the same as 1.5% for a senior eng with dual type rating.
Yes , he said the MAS blokes are going home in droves, and taking existing EK Eng with them. MAS was also in SIN with the same offer and took quite a few from there.
I think it is now plain which airline has figured it out first. Maybe the others will follow

[Fart Master]

Singleseater, are you sure, as 800dhs= 1.5% would be a salary of approx 53000dhs per month

[triplebogey]

Cool...so the pilots who are leaving will also get a better offer to return AFTER they have left too.What s everyone waiting for then?:}

[nilnotedtks]

Fart Master. What they have done in the past is to declare a percentage payrise across the board, this time say 7%. This is a dirham amount calculated for the guy at the lowest end of the incremental scale and added here as 7% of his basic. That same amount is then added to all grades right to the guy with the longest time in grade. This, in this case, is about 3.7%. Great deal eh ?

[Denzil]

SQ are also on the look out for Engineers for their build up to A380 ops. HAECO in Hong Kong has ongoing recruitment, if you like a very busy working day!!!! It looks like Engineers with experience/type ratings are starting to be in demand, lets hope this drives the wages up a bit (or a lot!!).

[FlyingSpanner]

As one of the guys who went and sat down for the MAS interviews the underlying tone of the day was "When can you start?"

Fair enough it might not suit everyone with regards to the family package and everything but the only thing that needs to be paid out of your monthly salery is you accomodation. Speaking to a few of the Malaysian boys at work you can do very nicely for 2500 Ringget/Dirham (practically the same) per month.

This leaves me with a 35% pay rise. Yes you read correctly 35%

Only thing to that is "Where is my contract?"

Discovered Enough!

Spanner

[nilnotedtks]

... So with all that extra salery does that mean we at last get a decent standard of living and no more DHS 24 a scoup at eejoolies ?

[jumbo1]

The wheel, she is turning........................
Good luck to those of you who decide to take this offer. At the end of the day, one has to look after themselves and their families future - 35% is rather a large chunk towards that. For those who go.. you will be sorely missed, but good luck to you, boys. From one of those who appreciate what you do.
Cheers
J1

[Pink Baron]

MAS velly clever they have been around a bit and know what they want!

What a brain drain EK's BEST Licenced Aircraft Engineer's on the move with years off professional integrity accountability and experience under their belt!

Who keeps them Safely up in the Air and on Schedule?

Not your green boys who leave bits of wood in them stuck together with tiger tape!!!! (And they got let off)!!!!!!!!!!

EK "Management" pull your fingers out and get out of your silk suits and get on the Line!

Pay Peanuts get __________?

What would the 'BOSS" say if he knew what was really happening?

Sad times aye!

[Bonge]

muppets, all muppets!

All the best lads, hope you make something of it.

I wonder, the way things are going, flight crew, CC and now engineering, how long is going to be before the aircraft start walking too???!!!

[fatbus]

i think the fat lady is warming up at the hanger

[Pink Baron]

Rumour has it MAS are offering $ 9,000 a month all in! (A Lot less than what EK's Pile's get plus plus with all the perks).

Why is there such a pay difference between Pile & Eng?

When Charlie Chan finds out they will work your balls off!

Will they give you a mechanic with a Tool box?

Still it must be better than the view of a power station from a 2,000,000 AED apartment on the Marina!

[KunnDize]

Rumour has it the MAS pilots have been given a pay-rise to stop the exodus to the ME.

Anyone know anything more?



Pink Baron, there's a pilot vs engineer battle raging on the engineer forum, it should feed your infantile needs and insecurities about pilots. Why don't you go hang out over there?

[EY777]

No, my ex colleagues informed me that the offer falls way short of expectations (unlike MAS motto's "Going Beyond Expectations" ).

The rumour is that the Toad is asking the pilots to bust the normal CAA limits & fly 900 hours stick time! :ooh: As it is they have a superman list at crewing to call for flights where other pilots have refused due to high hours.Don't be surprised if the same skipper who came in from LHR in the morning will operate the night flight back to LHR!Hmmmm I wonder whether CAA UK would like to drop in & pat DCAM's back for sleeping on the job!

Expect the exodus to continue......as long as the toad is in charge with his mismanagers :mad:

[Pink Baron]

Thanks KunnDize Wanty's Post on Arrogant Pilots would not be allowed by 4 Holerpoler.

I feel very secure knowing that the Machine Minders are keeping it all together!

[FlyingSpanner]

Looks like there is lots of jobs coming out. Got a call from Singapore agency.

Apparently SQ looking for approx 70 blokes! Opportunities arise at every turn at moment.

Keep Discovering!!

[4holerpolersson]

Anyone know how much SQ and HAECO are paying?

[Denzil]

HAECO is a 2 year contract HK$55k + HK$9.5k rent allowance a monthy + 12% and of contract gratuity. Income tax 16%. I believe they will also contribute towards schooling. So all in at current exchange rate 64k UK Pounds a year (if you live within the rent allowance).

Recruiting B1 & B2 Engineers with relevant approval. Bit of a heavy workload though, same $hit different company.

Not 100% sure of pay for SIA, although Milcom are recruiting for them as are a few UK contract agencys. Last i heard was an 'all in" of US$11k a month, again roughly comes 78k UK pounds a year, with your accom to come out.

[Pink Baron]

Greener pastures also at Gamco

[4HolerPolersonn]

KunnDiz why are you twitchy about Pay comparisons between PILE & ENG?

Take OT for example

PILE 420 aed/hr ENG 80aed/hr

[4holerpolersson]

Rumour has it 20 going to MAS.

[4HolerPolersonn]

20 going to MAS what about the others where are they going?

120 Cabin crew quit also!

[4holerpolers]

Who will be left to Maintain the Fleet in the new hanger?

High Speed Aluminummmm Minders I would get off the seat and CYA take a walk around before take off!

[nilnotedtks]

... I am now getting a tad disoriented, who are all these 4 holer people on the forum ?

[4holerpolersson]

Sounds like the industry is short of Experienced Licenced Engineers!

Any one Know how to use a slide rule?

[PolerHoler4]

Anyone Know how to use a sine bar?

How Many Licenced Engineers have served an Apprenticeship and have Indentures?

[MASsenger]

Just got back for a long break. Last night went out for a couple of beers with one of my mates who is a 744 Capt. in MAS. He confirms the 25% pay rise. He told me he now gets USD9000/-.

[coolcaper]

Updates on the story so far......

Apparently there have been quite a few promotions in the Engineering department after the MAS incident! Looks like management are trying hard to get their act together!! Although they're still looking out for more Engineers!!

And as for PolerHoler4:

"Anyone Know how to use a sine bar?
How Many Licenced Engineers have served an Apprenticeship and have Indentures?"

Almost all the Engineers I know have served an apprenticeship and had indentures!!

[4HolersPolers]

What about the " Licenced Engineer" who swept the floors for DNATA?

[coolcaper]

Got me there 4HolersPolers!! I don't think he was actually sweeping floors! C'mon, there are always a few!!

coolcaper gracefully bows!!

[4HolersPolers]

Coolcaper would you let him loose to do a Hot gas path inspection reblade or engine changeout?

[tigerwood]

MASsenger,

That 744 skipper is counting the chicks before they hatch. Bottom line is the deal have yet to be signed. Once they get their RM in the bank, we can have free "nasi lemak" and "teh tarik" at the mamak stall.

:hmm:

[coolcaper]

4HolersPolers...Wouldn't let him loose to do anything..but thats where we rely on our safety nets and manage to keep everything in check! Few bad apples are bound to ruin the rep but the rest make it better!!

[PolerHoler4]

Coolcaper it would be great if some of the "Bad Apples" would quit but the rot has set in and they know if they went else where they would not last 5 mins!

[4holerpolers]

Bad Apples what about the Bad Breath of The New LLM office door closed blinds down he gets free dental?

[PolerHoler4]

Coolcaper its time for a count up how many "Licenced Engineers" have quit?

[A300Man-2005]

HMMM...........theres a lot of 4holerpolerholerpolerpolerholer4's on this forum now..............

[4HolerPoler]

Ambitious, multi-personality guy. Sort of like a pirate CD - not the real thing, but it works.

It takes all types. Carry on.

4HP

[FlyingSpanner]

Well, the contracts were issued to the prospective employees about 2 weeks ago, medicals and final adjustments are being made as we speak.

Looks like not long now before a few of the engineers disappear. Think EK will notice? Doubt it but the guys that are left may be working a bit harder as someone is away to get the next ER. Then not to forget the next one next month, and the one after, and the one after, and..............

Lots of aircraft, not enough blokes - not to fly them, not to fix them. Airline pressurising people to get aircraft memded but no spares to do it with, not time to do it and not enough guys to do it.

WIll prove interesting over the next few months when a few of us leave.

Done discovering!

Spanner.

[4HolersPolers]

5 year contract in my briefcase with extra extra extra licence pay, overtime after 8 hours duty ho ho ho!

Cheap cost of living might buy a few Clusters!

Waiting for the results of Fatty Liver & Prostrate tests.

[4HolerPolersonn]

FlyingSpanner you must be joking no Critical Spares!

Purchasing normally double up on spares a bigger backhander!

[Arnie DeDump]

Spanner is right, how about this one.

Go to the stores counter, " One TOS harness please mate for a Trent 700, MEL runs out tonight " " Very sorry sir, is nilly stock still ! " No problem though, ended up changing the engine, but at least the MEL was cleared, after they changed a dud FMU ! ! !

[4holerpolers]

ArnieDedump

oh no the horror stories are becomming the Truth.

I hope your new LMM has sent emails to his Habbie to CYA

Must be time for a BIG SORT OUT!!!!!!!!

[FlyingSpanner]

And they had to rob the FMU from another aircraft!!

[PolerHoler4]

Coolcaper so how many have quit?

[coolcaper]

Rumours of about 4-5 people leaving or left!! Only have to look at the IVNs to figure out that they started looking for replacements as long ago as when this topic was posted!! Also rumours of MAS coming back for more!!! Oh and the spares situation is just as the others before me have described it!! Seems like a tribal village running the spare parts show, with kickbacks of course!! Go figure mate!!

[Quod Boy]

Your boss says 'all is OK".NO ONE,repeat NO -ONEhas quit as yet,"package remains good compared to MAS"

Have no bias,personally,think EK engs work hard in difficult circs,good luck to all,but must remain balanced to be credible.

Dont know,he seemed to be quoting propaganda,are people actually going or is it talk?

Good luck,QB

[Pink Baron]

Had a good flight to Blighty on EK but could not recline my seat!!!!

Will see if Eng has fixed it on the return flight!!

[ruserious]

I guess a few of our engineers might have been scared off from going abroad, because their mechanicing skills ain't what they used to be. I wonder how many could do a Wing repair (http://www.ukar.co.uk/board/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=1;t=7936) as good as this :D :D
I particularly like the 4th picture down.

[PolerHoler4]

RUMOUR has it only one Eng out of the Hundreds has quit!

[Arty Craft]

PH4, wish there were hundreds:D

Apparently there is a four foot high pile of applications though, so we too have been told that we can leave at any time.

You are right, only one has left, though a few more are rumoured to be on the way out.

Most guys are too tired to care :sad: