From exam 55 to whoever was working Liverpool Tower on 11 May 17:30ish Zulu

[EGCC4284]

After 2 hours of test, the situation I got into on right base 09 and then finals 09 I could not believe. I guess it was just one of those things.
It did give me an opportunity to show that I was in command of the situation and initiate a go around from 500ft. I could of possibly continued and landed after but thought it too risky and I think was a good time to show the examiner who was in charge.
I wasn't going to take the risk and blow the exam in the last 30 seconds. So near to finishing my test and then this upon me I will not forget and gives me something to talk about to my flying friends.

My examiner on eventually landing said "well done,very good" about half a dozen times so I got the feeling from then on that I had passed.

He also said that I could of possibly continued and landed but understood exactly why I did what I did.

Just a little note to say thank you to all who work at Liverpool for helping GA and flight training and also to say a big thank you for helping me pass my CPL..

[Gary Lager]

For the rest of us intrigued by such a good opening chapter...what happened??!!!

[Jerricho]

pass my CPL

Good for you mate!!! Well done.

[squibbler]

Not me and no idea what you're getting at.

We stitched you up?

You stitched yourself up?

Do tell!!!

[2 sheds]

EGCC

Congratulations - but who taught you "finals"?

[EGCC4284]

Sorry 2 sheds, if it's not finals, what should it be? Please remind me.

Gary Lager and squibbler

No stitch up, just very busy when I returned. I was told whilst on right base that I was number 1 to traffic on a 6 miles final that I had to fit in front of from right base 09 and a Rynair 737 just lining up to start his take off roll when I was coming down on finals. I think I was passing 400 feet ish at the time when I decided to go around? I didn't like what I saw and did a go around for real.

My examiner did say that if I had continued and landed after then it would not of been too much of a problem but totally understood why I did what I did.

If it wasn't a CPL test then I may of continued down the "finals" slope a bit longer and played it by ear.

If I had done that on my test, I wasn't sure how my examiner would of taken to it.

Gave me a great opportunity to show the examiner that I was in charge and not prepared to take a risk.

I would also like to say again that service from Liverpool is very very friendly towards GA and flight training.

Start my IR tomorrow and will report back over the coming Months with lots and lots of questions for you guy's.

I would like to know the correct RT for holds, let downs etc etc etc etc, what to say and when to say it.etc etc etc.

Example, do we the pilot say "taking up the hold" when we first cross the beacon before travelling around the pearl drop turn (gate thingy ma gig) or when we cross the beacon the second time as we start the first race track???? Do you understand my question.

I'm sure I'll have many more questions over the 2-3 months.

Once again, thanks to all at Liverpool

[rodan]

Sorry 2 sheds, if it's not finals, what should it be? Please remind me.
Some people get quite pedantic about this. The correct phraseology is 'Final', although you'll hear a lot of pilots and atcos adding the 's'. No big deal.


do we the pilot say "taking up the hold" when we first cross the beacon before travelling around the pearl drop turn (gate thingy ma gig) or when we cross the beacon the second time as we start the first race track?
The first time you cross the beacon. Most people get it wrong, though. Is that how it's taught?

[EGCC4284]

Don't know yet, will be back from time to time with questions.

[El lute]

Congratulations!
But do us (me) a favour please:
It's 'have' not 'of :yuk: '

[Atcham Tower]

"Finals" is a military throwback - or do they still use it? - which is slowly dying out. (I haven't heard anyone say "taxying to dispersal" recently).

[eastern wiseguy]

(I haven't heard anyone say "taxying to dispersal" recently).


I use that on a daily basis ....BFS .
:ok:

[ETOPS]

I've always used "entering the hold" for a direct entry and "taking up the hold" for all the indirects. I feel sure I was taught that way but it's now so long ago I can't be sure.

[EGCC4284]

El lute

??????? don't understand what your on about

[The Greaser]

I think he refers to your initial post where you say of instead of have at least twice.

[EGCC4284]

Left school with very little to my name.

Cannot spell to save my life either. Hated English lessons with a passion. Very boring.

Came top in Physics and Technical Drawing though.

When I've finish all my training, I've promised myself that I would make an effort to improve my English.

I once received an e-mail from a pilot friend of mine and it showed him in a different light so I know where El lute is coming from.

Anyway, first IR lesson in the sim at 5pm.

[Freebird17]

Reminds me of my r/t during IR training.

"Beacon outbound G-XX........errr correction......beacon inbound.......err disregard.....err.....we're beacon outbound........err.....standby"

Just couldn't get to grips with it!!

[2 sheds]

"Finals" is still the military phrase (in their JSP), but it makes no sense and sounds bloody daft if you think about it! (It's FINAL approach, for goodness' sake, and presumably any one aircraft is only on one final approach?).

I am convinced that it derives, albeit that it is in writing, from sheer sloppy speech - q.v. Cliff Richards and Deans' Cross.

Civil use is, quite accurately, "final".

[Atcham Tower]

I wonder if "finals" was originally derived from "funnels", the wartime r/t call when entering the curved lead-in lights to the runway, on the Drem lighting system. Sorry, getting a bit off thread!

[2 sheds]

But that is not too logical either. There was only one funnel for any approach.

[Atcham Tower]

2 sheds - you are right about it not being logical! I was going from memory - always fatal - and have rechecked the 1942 vintage notebook which contains the phraseology. It should be "funnel". Sorry!