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Kaptin M
25th Apr 2001, 02:46
Congratulations to the [9,800] pilots of Delta Air Lines, on having reached [a tentative] agreement with your Company - I understand the increases range from around 24% through 34% for the mainline guys, and 63% for the Delta Express pilots.

At a time when a lot of managements in other companies are steadfastly trying to ignore the pilot shortage, this new deal for the Delta pilots should ensure a stable workforce for that company, and allow it to make firm forward planning with a guarantee of no industrial unrest from their technical crews.

Hopefully it might send a message to other carriers as well.

Any of you Delta people care to sprout a few figures on pay rates, please?

25th Apr 2001, 16:46
Congrats to all the Delta pilots!!! What about you guys at Lufthansa. Any news on those negotiations??

26th Apr 2001, 00:54
Check out www.airlinepilots.com (http://www.airlinepilots.com) and there you'll find a link to the new Delta pilot's TA or temporary agreement which still has to be ratified by the union's Master Executive Council and then by the union membership, all of which could take several weeks.

30th Apr 2001, 15:19
Well, a lot of pilots at Delta don't think the tentative agreement goes far enough to compensate them for past concessions.

Although the book rates appear astronomical by non-U.S. standards, work rules are also a major issue with the Delta pilots.

If the TA is not accepted, the pilots _might_ have a stronger hand with a strike threat in the summer travel season.

Hope BALPA is able to get that 3% increase they are looking for <g>...


Monday, April 30, 2001

Delta pilots' OK not a sure thing

Decision due on whether to vote on offer

By James Pilcher
The Cincinnati Enquirer

Union leaders for Delta Air Lines pilots are considering the tentative agreement with the company, knowing approval by the entire membership is not a sure thing.

The deal, reached with management of the Atlanta-based carrier a week ago, would make Delta pilots the highest paid in the industry.

But at the company's annual shareholder meeting last week in Salt Lake City, many pilots expressed reservations if not outright scorn for the deal — which also would boost the airline's costs by $2.4 billion over four years.

The union's master executive council on Saturday began considering whether to pass on the agreement to the full membership for a vote, a decision that could come as early as today.

Doug Wolff of Anderson Township, a union spokes man and one of the 1,000 Delta pilots based at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, said there's probably no true way to gauge negative reaction, either locally or systemwide.

“The negative voices tend to be the loudest, but there are probably a lot of pilots who are waiting to get the full details,” Mr. Wolff said. “But I will say that there is a lot of resentment from the last two years of strained relationships and this contract not passing certainly is one potential repercussion from the tone the company has set.”

Karen Miller, an Atlanta-based spokeswoman for Delta's 9,700-member branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, said reaction to the deal has been mixed at the union's main office in Atlanta.

“There are nearly 10,000 pilots, and we've heard from 300-400 of them this week,” said Ms. Miller, “It's just hard to gauge right now the extent of the opposition.”

“We have nearly 10,000 pilots, and I don't believe

there's a situation that exists where 10,000 people agree on a single issue,” Delta spokeswoman Alesia Watson said Saturday. “We do believe that is a solid contract and that ... it is strong enough to get ratified and move on.”

If the council decides not to present it for a vote, or if the rank-and-file turns it down in a vote, the countdown toward a strike would restart where it left off, Ms. Miller said.

That would give negotiators from both sides seven days to come up with a new contract. After that, the pilots could strike.

Adding to the pressure on the union is the fact that President Bush has said he would do anything he could to prevent airline strikes.

Prior to the agreement, Delta officials had been counting on Mr. Bush to impose a Presidential Emergency Board, which would delay a strike by 60 days and could put the situation in the hands of Congress. But a president can't act unilaterally.

The three-member National Mediation Board, which oversees labor negotiations in the airline and railroad industries, must first recommend that the president make such a move.

Despite the potential for presidential intervention, many pilots are still stinging from their last contract, which was approved in 1996. It was the the first agreement to be voted on by the entire membership, and was viewed as a concessionary deal for the pilots, who said they made a sacrifice to keep Delta financially viable.

At the time, some pilots said they thought they were tricked into voting for a bad deal because they didn't have the full contract in front of them.

Union officials say that won't happen this time, meaning the vote itself could take up to three months — including informational sessions — if the union council approves it.

The Guvnor
30th Apr 2001, 16:49
Bowing to union blackmail is always an extremely bad idea. At an added cost to the company of US$2.4 billion over four years, I wonder how long it will take for DL to go into Chapter 11 ... and for those 'highest paid pilots' to end up in the unemployment office!

30th Apr 2001, 20:03
guvnor: "blackmail"?!
Who´s blackmailing/pressuring all the time?...
Supply and demand is the name of the game.

DLH on possible unlimited strike will be counted on the 3rd at noon.
Press conference at 1500 (1400 UTC).
We´ll see what happens then, but don´t expect anything near the US-majors contractwise.
Might take a while till things are all settled, because they´ve started to talk about the working conditions contract (duty/rest times, overtime, augmentation etc.) also.

Most people are ready when VC calls (and I´m supposed to fly on the 4th, 15 hrs overtime - I might have to look at it as an investment in my future...).

3rd May 2001, 08:15
The Delta TA has been approved by the MEC:

May 3, 2001

Delta Union's Governing Board Forwards Pact to Pilots

New York Times

After five days of tense deliberations and a failed attempt to seek more concessions from management, the governing board of the union representing pilots at Delta Air Lines voted late yesterday to approve a tentative contract with the carrier.

The 22 voting members of the board, known as the master executive council, split 18 to 4 in favor of forwarding the new five-year contract to the union's nearly 10,000 members for a ratification vote.

Had the board rejected the proposal, which was reached 10 days ago, the union and the company would have had just seven days to reach a new agreement before the pilots could legally strike. But union leaders weighing that option faced the near certainty that President Bush would intervene to delay a strike for 60 days. The union then have faced the prospect that Congress would impose a settlement not as rich as the one the board had rejected.

"When it got down to it," said Andrew M. Deane, a spokesman for the union, "we had members who said `I don't like it that we've been put in a box because of the political situation, but I voted for it because of the political situation.' "

He said the union would begin the voting process later this month. Meetings will be held at Delta pilot bases nationwide to answer questions about the contract. The results are to be announced on June 20.

Both Delta and the union's leadership had described the tentative contract, which exceeds the top pay rates at United Airlines by 1 percent, as "industry leading." Under the agreement, pay rates would rise 24 percent to 34 percent over five years, adding $2.5 billion to Delta's costs, according to the airline.

But many Delta pilots say the agreement is inferior to the United contract in several areas other than pay. They say the deal does not fulfill the airline's promise to give pilots the top contract in the industry after they had accepted a concessionary agreement in 1996 just as the industry was beginning to post record profits following a steep downturn.

Last year, the average Delta pilot took home $188,038 in salary and benefits. A captain with 12 years' experience flying a Boeing 777, the airline's flagship, now earns $279,000 a year in salary and benefits.

Some pilots are upset about changes in work rules that they say diminish their quality of life. They also complain that the contract perpetuates a lower-wage scale at Delta Express, a low-fare unit within Delta that is intended to compete with Southwest Airlines.

After discussing shortcomings of the agreement with council members since Saturday, union negotiators sought yesterday to sweeten the deal. But the company declined to make changes and the council had to vote on the pact as negotiated.

Asked before the vote yesterday whether Delta would alter the contract, Leo F. Mullin, Delta's chief executive, said no. "We made a deal," he told reporters, "and certainly from the company's standpoint we're prepared to stick with the deal we made."

5th May 2001, 00:54
Well Guvnor, your hostillity towards pilots has been noted here and on other forums before.

5th May 2001, 09:07
The APA [American] pilots are next. They’ll be raising the bar a little more.

5th May 2001, 17:53
>>The APA [American] pilots are next. They’ll be raising the bar a little more<<

Hope so, but APA's recent history isn't the best. APA has agreed to pay a $45.5 million fine to American over their last "job action". They are starting the battle down in a hole.

6th May 2001, 06:27
While I don't like the Idea of paying the 45.5 million. It is Money EXTREMELY well spent as AA went to the pilots before they closed on TWA this time around and made a deal for draw down and paying greenbook (contract) to the TWA people virtually immediately instead of running a bscale like the did with Reno for a while.

When you see the results, the sickout was an overwhelming success and the fine is peanuts.

The TRO is meaningless. It just says don't do anything illegal, which is what we were always working under. The only reason the fine came into being was not because of the sickout. It was a failure to maintain control of the sickout and get the troops back to work when the inevitable happend (being ordered back to work). that caused the fine.

Incidentally the TRO will expire with the contract. (August 2001 + whatever time it takes to be released to self help) so it is a non player in negotiations with the company (though not necesarily in the psyche of the pilots who don't know what it really means)