winapilotlicense.com

[hm671]

Anybody seen this?
http://winapilotlicense.com/

What do you think? There site seems to answer all the obvious questions but is it just another SCAM?

[silverknapper]

Laugh - i nearly wet myself!!! What a load of crap. Haven't even got the required hours correct!!! Sad thing is some people will probably have a shot.

[sikeano]

i am on the case i will find out if it is a scam i want them in jail :mad: :mad: :mad: :}

[Re-Heat]

Googling reveals the following: (appears it could work, but there is no due diligence or trust structure to ensure good corporate governance - good luck to Kaare if it is indeed genuine)

All in, the details don't appear odd if not amateur - the cautions probably relate to the company secretary rather than Kaare who has no other directorships apparantly?


Company Name: PROPITIOUS AVIATION LIMITED
Company Number: 05013879
Date of Incorporation: 13/01/2004

Company Secretary: BOYES TURNER SECRETARIES LIMITED
Registered Office: FIRST FLOOR
ABBOTS HOUSE ABBEY STREET
READING
BERKSHIRE RG1 3BD
Post Code: RG1 3BD

Names of Directors :
KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN,

Business Activities:
General Commercial Company

SIC Codes:
9272 MOTION PICTURE, TELEVISION, THEATRICAL CASTING

US SIC Codes:
8999 SERVICES NEC

CRO Activity:
13/01/2004 New Incorporation
08/06/2004 Registered Name Change
19/01/2005 Annual Return Made Up Date
19/01/2005 SIC Codes

Previous Names : 08/06/2004 ABBOTS 320 LIMITED

Principal Shareholders:
Kaare Ingebrigtsen
2 Manor Farm Cottages
East Shalford Lane
Guildford
GU4 8AF

Caution.Current/previous Director(s) and/or current/previous Secretary have been recorded as being directors of a company/or companies which have been struck off the Register of Companies as a result of either a subject company voluntary application or due to non compliance.

Caution.Previous Director(s) and/or Secretary have been recorded as holding/having held 2 or more other directorships in a company/companies which have been subjected to voluntary or compulsory winding up procedures or administration orders.

Name: KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN
Nationality: NORWEGIAN
Date of Birth: 11/02/1968


From pilotweb.co.uk:

Kaare Ingebrigtsen
UK
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Location: UK
Hours: 130

Date Registered: 05/05/2004 07:49:19
Last Updated: 09/05/2004

Qualifications
CAA PPL

Airfields
BLACKBUSHE (United Kingdom)
REDHILL (United Kingdom) - appeared to own a share in a microlight there.


Used/involved with century-2k.com website design (hmmm):

"Going with C2K was the best decision we could have made..."
Kaare Ingebrigtsen - MD
Propitious Aviation


UKGA.com:

Hangarage wanted Hants/Berks area
Sun 9 Jan - Kaare Ingebrigtsen
Hangarage and use of field suitable for J400 to rent in the Hampshire/Berkshire (East) area wanted.


Also turns up a sport liferaft service station in Tromso on zodiacsolas.com (probably someone else):

Z1405 SPORTSHUSET SERVICESTASJON AS TEL : +47 77 65 34 00
SKATTORAV. 61 FAX : +47 77 61 19 97
E MAIL : [email protected]
9018 TROMSO CONTACT : KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN

pro·pi·tious ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-pshs)
adj.
Presenting favorable circumstances; auspicious. See Synonyms at favorable.
Kindly; gracious.
adj : presenting favorable circumstances; "propitious omens".


aus·pi·cious ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ô-spshs)
adj.
Attended by favorable circumstances; propitious: an auspicious time to ask for a raise in salary. See Synonyms at favorable.
Marked by success; prosperous.

[Kingron]

Enough people buy the tickets and then they run the draw. You are essentially funding 1/445 of 45 hours of flying lessons.

If you win they will be for a NPPL and no doubt at a very inconvenient location. But of course you wont so there is no need to worry.

[Send Clowns]

Not even very well-informed - an NPPL does not require 45 hours of training.

This is like those car raffles you see at major airports nowadays. I'd love to win a DB9, but the cost of all the tickets sold covers the total cost of 2 DB9s! In this case the tickets sold as shown do not nearly cover costs, but that has not been updated since February, and the draw is at the end of November!

[TRon]

Well, the DB9's you can 'win' there are also underwritten by Lloyds insurance in case anyone does win. Total rip off, but nice to have a gander on an airport standby! Off topic sorry!

[Pete Begley]

I'm worried about this now, because in their news section they say you can text in to 81808 with"PPL" to enter.

Now Air Cadets, as I was, are young and mad keen on aviation (honest I was) so are likely to do this, however they don't mention how much the text costs, and it could be any amount, couldn't it??

Looks like a barely legal scam to me, but I'm open to correction.

[PhilM]

£29 for a ticket, or

2) Enter our SMS competition for £5 for a minimum of 1-in-9 chance of winning one of the above mentioned tickets (Text "PPL" to 81808)

"£5" for a "chance" at having a ticket by text........doesn't fill me with confidence!

Especially given the blokes history someone posted above ^ :ugh:

I'm involved with the ACO and I know of loads of kids who wouldn't think twice about texting in!

I wonder if this "lottery" has been registered and complies with the law?

http://www.culture.gov.uk/gambling_and_racing/fact_sheets/fact_lotteries.htm?properties=%2C%2C%2C&print=true

The general rule is that lotteries cannot be run for private or commercial gain.

Hmm, now 448 tickets at £29 ea is over £12k, and the cost of a NPPL is what, £4-6k I'd assume? Leaving a rather hefty wedge left over........and it seems, all his "company" is doing, is running this lottery, which it would seem breaches the quote above? :suspect:

[hingey]

Having checked recent NOTAMS, it appears there is intensive aerial pig activity online.

[Send Clowns]

Hads anyone informed the Dept for debased Culture, Meeja and Sport, like?

Only just over £4,000 if you choose the cheapest schools, PhilM. Only need to sell 150 tickets to cover outlay, maybe 750 text entries or any combination.

TRon I was talking about the ones in the airports and big shopping centres that sell a certain number of tickets before they ever draw. They have guaranteed to cover the cost of car, their overheads and a fat profit by that stage! The ones you are talking about are usually much cheaper, more unlikely games like "throw 7 dice, all 6s wins the car", which at 1:279,936 odds per throw gives a reasonable insurance rate, even if they do have to send a representative to watch!

[PIGDOG]

Doesn't the website claim to offer a JAA licence? What has the NPPL got to do with the JAA?? NPPL is only a CAA licence, and is not recognised anywhere else.


I'm open to correction...!!

[Re-Heat]

Both interesting, and both appear to show the above as falling outside the law.

http://www.chorley.gov.uk/upload/public/Files/1/lotteriesamusementsnoteslic29.pdf

http://www.culture.gov.uk/gambling_and_racing/fact_sheets/fact_prize_competitions.htm

The site says the following, but it is not registered as a company specialising in such, nor is the ownership of the below aircraft included in the listing for the company's aims posted above:

"Propitious Aviation Limited is a registerd limited company specalizing in Prize Competitions as defined under English law.

The operation of the competitions have passed a legal review to ensure conformity with English law. References from Boyes Turner solicitors are available on request."

Also...from G-INFO - additions 28/03/2005 - 10/04/2005:

G-JJAB
NEW UK
JABIRU J400
PROPITIOUS AVIATION LTD


The price?

Ready Built:-
Jabiru Calypso UL-D, factory built, cles en main (keys in hand!) complete with upholstery, seat belts, winglets, propeller, spats, disk brakes, basic VFR and engine instruments. It even includes a Microair 760 radio and headsets! Available first quarter 2005! £36,000


Interestingly the advert at the bottom of the webpage takes you to French apartments owned by a family-member as follows:

Contact Information

For more information and to book contact Harald Ingebrigtsen in English, French, German or Scandinavian

Telephone: +47 90 78 77 52
Alt. telephones: +33 663 48 61 89 or +33 492 18 93 98
Fax: +47 67 97 20 53
By E-mail: click to send e-mail

[Send Clowns]

I tried to inform the Gaming Board, but their email address doesn't exist (their website doesn't work properly either - how incompetent can a government agency be allowed to become?)