Crew Hours On Double Drop Flts

[TJ747]

HI THERE,

Can anyone tell me what the crew hour limits are for double drop flts.

Example:

LGW-ACE-LPA-ACE-LGW

OR

ACE-LPA-LGW-LPA-ACE

I know it all depends what time you start duty etc but wonder if anyone can answer what the limit is both rostered and into discretion. 4 sector day can be long if any problems arrise.

Many Thx

TJ747

[bcf&gloves]

Don't have my file handy at the mo to tell you what the CAA say's but that doesn't sound legal at any time of day!

For most a LGW-LPA or ACE-LGW is a days work, never mind a bit of island hopping!!!

Would ask you crewing guys to look into it, and definatley the union!

[VIKING9]

Under CAP371, and in any time band, the FDP is NOT legal unless a min rest period is thrown in there somewhere.

Assuming a report time of STD - 1hr and off duty is STA + 30mins, you'd be looking at a 12hr duty at least and that's assuming 30min turn time at ACE, LPA & ACE again, which you won't get.

Non starter mate and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise needs to go back to school.

[cabincrew47]

Permitted FDP on a four sector day are as follows:-

Start Time (Local)

0600-0759 = 11 3/4
0800-1259 = 12 3/4
1300-1759 = 11 3/4
1800-2159 = 10 3/4
2200-0559 = 10

Discretion can be a maximum of two hours over the first, second, and third sector and three hours if used immediately prior to the last sector

[irishcc]

Have operated several flights with a similar pattern, but operated:

LGW-LPA-ACE-LGW

as opposed to the

LGW-LPA-ACE-LPA-LGW

thus reducing the amount of sectors and also the duty day.

[Big Tudor]

All depends on the block times and turnaround times but it isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

LGW-ACE = 4hrs 15mins
ACE-LPA = 30 mins
LPA-ACE = 30 mins
ACE-LGW = 4hrs 15mins

Turnaround times = 4 x 30 mins each
Report time before = 1hr

Total FDP required = 12Hrs 30mins

Max allowable FDP = 12hrs 45 mins (cabin crew reporting between 0800-1259 local)

Now, like most good schedules it looks good on paper, however in the real world I would say that you would be using discretion on that little day out.

[cabincrew47]

Slight correction Big Tudor:-

Report = 1hr
LGW-ACE = 4hr 15m
Turnround = 45m
ACE-LPA = 30m
Turnround = 45m
LPA-ACE = 30m
Turnround = 45m
ACE-LGW = 4hr 15m

TOTAL 12hr 45m

Phew!!!! Just made it!!!

[Big Tudor]

Fine pencils were invented for schedules like that! ;)