Recruitment Latest ?

[Moon Unit]

Not much on the forum in the last couple of weeks. Hopefully this means everyone is working hard!. .. .Are any of the CX fleet still layed up? Is all recruitment on hold?. .. .I have no EAT for Final Interview and can't afford to put my life on hold, for more than a few more months. So I have to get another job soon and therefore leave to travel to 'Honkers' would be impossible during the summer.. .. .Was kind of hoping that things would move soon, so then one's fate successful, or not, would be decided. Infact I wouldn't mind siting in a holding pool waiting for a start date. Rather than in between phases.. .. .BTW I'm more than aware of the hiring ban imposed by the AOA. So could we leave this out of the replies. (This decision is of course only the problem of successful candidates, as and when they are offered a start date)

[unabungler]

Would you take employment with a company, the result of which, WILL result in lifetime blacklisting from any other airline union.. .. .LIFETIME BLACKLISTING. .. .What do you do if you decide to leave Cathay at a later date for a Euro carrier?. .. .You won't be able to.. .. .Think VERY carefully.

[Liam Gallagher]

Bungler,. .. .What Euro carrier would care if anyone is IFALPA blacklisted? I think they might like it; non-union orientated labour..Messers Eddington, O'Leary and Easyjet would be delighted I would suspect.

[ironbutt57]

Don't think anybody cares about the ban except the selfish folks, while accepting command vacancies created by the "49-ers to their advantage, expect other future employees to pay for it.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> typical union scare tactics...didn't seem to keep alpo from forgiving the co folks and taking them into the union when it suited them...

[Dale Harris]

well as far as layups 2x744's, 2xa340's and 1xa330(?) at avalon still

[penguin]

You guys must be way overcrewed. Just flew from YYZ to YVR with 1 capt, 1 SF/O and 2 S/Os.

[BMM389EC]

I really am getting sick and tired of people taking every opportunity to score points about the ban, blacklisting even when it is not directly related to the original post. This whole issue really has been beaten to death. I, amongst others am visiting Fragrant Harbour less and less lately.Not good when you're trying to generate support for your cause.. . . . <small>[ 17 March 2002, 15:29: Message edited by: BMM389EC ]</small>

[Geddy]

Don't like the ban hey? Well perhaps you ought to try working in a country that financially destroys strikers. If you had the experience and really understood wat was happening, you wouldn't have any problem with it.

The ban will stay and if you decide to ignore it, your life in HK will be very lonely and uncomfortable.

There is no new recruitment until at least the end of the year according to very well informed sources.

[ronnie123]

Is the ban really working ? Are new joined Sos being treted like cr@p. And living a lonley life ?

[A-V-8R]

The ban probably won't work on anyone who hasn't seen what happens to scabs/banned people until they look for their next job.

The kind of people who scab/banned seem to have personality traits that make it difficult to keep a job, at least from my experience. Many have been purged from UAL despite the Company's promise to protect them at all costs.

In the military we used to say "10 percent never get the word"; in this case the majority of scabs aren't deaf, they have some sort of social flaw.


At UAL, very very few Eastern Airlines Pilots who were on the scab list made it thru the hiring process, even though Eastern Pilots all were eminately qualified for employment.

*****
I carry a master scab list with me at all times. If your name is on it, you won't be on my jumpseat. I know I am not alone in this practice.

*****

Sometimes accidents happen to the best of pilots. In many parts of the world, pilots are thought guilty in a hull loss until proven innocent. I really would hate to be an ex-pat in a country with different language, legal systems, and cultures without IFALPA's resources to represent me legally.

I few years ago I was violate for an altitude bust during departure control switching freq's and sectors.

Was called in for a dance with the Chief Pilotand told my side of the story. He said to expect a guilty finding as 90 percent of all altitude bust happened between 10 and 11 thousand feet.

Went to the local Union man and got the same song and dance. That rather surprised me.

Went to ALPA National, they are the only people who pulled both sector tapes instead of the one where the allegeded bust occurred. Once the FAA listened to the Freq where the handoff occured and found that we rogered and read back the correct altitude, we were vindicated and it was chalked up to a Controller Operational Error.

Kim

[cabinkitten]

Just out of interest what will the long term effects be of the recruitment ban on CX? I do not know that much on this subject but it seems that CX will be getting very short of pilots before long and if the ban goes on for another year, presuming that the industry is almost back on it's feet by then, what are CX going to do for pilots? Does anyone think that the 1000 hour requirment for SO will be reduced?

[411A]

The "ban" will not make a difference...those that want to work for CX will do so regardless of the "silent" treatment or not.
CX management should "terminate" any pilot who operates contrary to the laid down procedures...and this includes giving a hard time to new recruits. Those pilots who are already in CX have a duty and responsibility to the company.....NOT to the HKAOA.
When was the last time a current CX pilot had the paycheck signed by the ....union?
Thought not.
And as for "local guys"....why are there not more in the company?
Answers on a postcard.:rolleyes:

[christep]

[aka HKGpax]

I am not sure how true this is, but I was told by a very senior (local Chinese) manager in Cathay that one of the reasons they have very few local flight crew is that CX requires all pilots to have near-perfect vision without the aid of any corrective devices. (I understand this is not the case for many airlines).

For some reason which is not fully understood, Hong Kong Chinese have one of the highest rates of short-sightedness in the world, so in fact few can pass the test once into their 20s/30s.

[SOLO]

FYI the ban is accepted worldwide, it is being followed, it is working...

[411A]

Yes indeed it is working.....working to get those ALREADY in CX upgraded....at the expense of those already dis-missed.
Good show guys!!

[cheesecake]

Well, hello there Mr. SOLO. It’s been a while.

I trust you’re enjoying life outside CX?

[Vince Brown]

Dreamers you expect us not to take jobs while you "internal scabs" take upgrades and use us outsiders as pawns - put your money where your mouth is and dont accept an upgrade if this issue is so important to you..........or better still get over it!!!

Good quote - "when did the union last pay your bills??"

Don't talk to me - who cares - i'll read a magazine and watch the world go by.......

VINCE


:mad:

[cordy]

Who & which people will be baned if joining CX?

Who was baned from CX was it Capt, F/O's, S/O's or all:confused:

[SOLO]

Very much so, though you would probably know that as I know you have your view in CX City...

[HUSTLER]

I see that miserable old prick is back trying to stir the racist pot again.

You ask when the last time the AOA signed the cheque, when you get unfairly diss-missed as is the case for our 49er's.

Im sure no replacement workers will be mis-treated on the flight deck but 411A it will be a lonely life at outports for these fella's not to mention socially in HK.

Go and enjoy your model aeroplane!

HUSTLER

[raitfaiter]

Chinese pilots recruited by CX are expected to have perfect eyesight due to the deterioration of vision experienced by many Chineses people as they get older. This may ruin their career, (and of course cost CX money) should their eyesight fail. Secondly, many people in HKG have been exposed to hepatitis B, another no no for initial medicals. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, piloting is not considered a job of choice by Hong Kong graduates. Hong Kong people see jobs for what they are, and the chance to earn 10 times as much in finance (or even realty), plus much more face than a mere SO, convinces the vast majority of them not to even apply. Plus of course working with a bunch of gweilos........;)

[luna landing]

How do we know it was unfair. What did they do?

[Kubota]

The 49'ers all received a termination letter with the following text:

Quote:

"You have been terminated FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON "

UNQuote

[luna landing]

Seems hard to believe:

All Capts?/F/Os ?
Standards issues
last 49 on seniority...
same ethneticity?

must be more to it!!

[Kubota]

luna:

23 captains
26 F/O's

seniority from a little over two years to more than 17 years

A mix of British, Australians, Canadians and even an LEP (locally employed pilot) to ENSURE that every pilot knew at least one.

The intent is/was INTIMIDATION, nothing more, nothing less.

Please visit the Hong Kong Aircrew Officer's Association (http://bbs.hkalpa.org/public/default.htm) page for all the details.

I kid you not.

[Poke Guy]

Is Kubota one of the 49ers?

[Kubota]

No, but any one of us could have been

[411A]

Hey there Kubota...that's some tractor you have there...do you have them in cobalt blue...?...too match your steely eyes as you stare down management...;)