News on the News (Wirraway)

[Wirraway]

Due to events that have occured on Friday, it is no longer possible to post full news posts anymore on PPRuNe, this
is not the fault of either PPRuNe or myself and is from external
forces, I will leave that to Woomera to explain.

We had a few ideas of posting one paragraph from an news item and giving a link to the story(see new version on my posts), but after much thought I have decided that it is not the same and not worth my time and
effort to do anymore.

For those that like to be kept right up to date with what is going
on with aviation I suggest you go to google advanced news:

http://news.google.com

Top right go to Advanced News Search

Here just type in 'exact phrase' your choice eg: Virgin Blue, Jetstar
Qantas etc

to the right where it says 'sort by relevance', change this to
'sort by date'

on the bottom you can search either 'anytime', 'last hour' 'last day' or 'past week'.

When you get into the list eg: Qantas, at the bottom of this page you
have the option to set a "News Alert" and will be emailed any
news articles on Qantas or whoever you choose as it is released. you are
allowed to set up to 7 "News Alerts" qantas, virgin blue. jetstar etc.

Hope this helps, and thanks again for your support over the past
few years.

Wirraway

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[PureRisk]

A bloody shame, Wirraway. It has always been very useful to just look up and see the latest from you. Biggest thing is I think it may effect Pprune in a bigger way as I am sure many people tune into here for that specific reason. Now without any fact before the dribble I shudder to think what we may be left with.
Anyway Thanks once again Wirraway.

[Wirraway]

PureRisk

Thanks, this is what happens when 'people' in high places
apply pressure to other 'people' in high places to apply a gag as
to what is happening around the place in the futile attempt
that PPRuNe's don't read too much negative news.

Use that news alert that I have posted and keep yourself informed.

Cheers and Beers
Wirraway

[Blown Seal]

Wirraway,

Good on you mate for providing a valuable service to the Australian aviation industry. Its a shame that it will stop, pprune will be the worse for it. Anyway thanks once again for all of your considerable efforts.

Cheers

BS


PS Woomera would you please care to offer an explanation?

[SilverSleuth]

Yes, what gives Woomera?
I am most interested also. Surely if an article is out in a paper for public viewing it should be fine to be displayed here too ?????

[Woomera]

"PS Woomera would you please care to offer an explanation?"

In a word - No! You will have to accept Wirraway's explanation: "...it is no longer possible to post full news posts anymore on PPRuNe, this is not the fault of either PPRuNe or myself and is from external forces......"

Woomera

[*Lancer*]

Where did I put my cloak and dagger?

[Howard Hughes]

Sad, very sad indeed, thanks for all the effort Wirraway.

Cheers, HH.

:ok:

[Capn Bloggs]

Wirraway,
Sorry to see you go. Thanks for the top job. I suppose you are relieved that you won't have to be awake at 0100 to get the latest news on to Prune before anybody else, though... and I suppose now I'll have to buy the @#$%^& paper!

Woomeri,
Thanks for that in-depth explanation. Now I understand! :ugh:

[tobzalp]

I think from the general tone of most of the more recent articles, it is pretty obvious who applied the pressure.

[the wizard of auz]

First it was ozjobs and now this. I'll only be left with ****stirring to come here for soon. :}
Woomera, surely there has to be a better explenation than what is being offered so far. whats the goss?. :confused:

[bonvol]

I guess we can assume that PPRuNe got bullied by certain managements.

Not only that, but PPRuNe is obviously a bit frightened of the consequences of giving an explanation and fingering the guilty parties.

No wonder we get cynical and a bit paranoid from time to time.

[Sunfish]

I guess we will have to do it ourselves - paraphrase the story and/or provide a link (is this allowed?)

[Going Boeing]

Maybe Steve Creedy has had enough of my criticism of his poorly researched newspaper articles on aviation and had his bosses apply pressure to PPRuNe, Woomera, Wirraway etc. If so, my apologies guys but boy his articles have glaring mistakes. GB

[surfside6]

The tactics used by Hitler to keep the populace uninformed have been used to inflict censorship on the forums of PPruNE.Our good friend Wirraway has been silenced.Here was a member who provided us with information on our industry that we would probably never have discovered through either lack of time or expertise.
While I sympathise with Danny and all the Moderators it is outrageous that veiled threats and intimidation have been used to limit the information and hence discussion that has previously been so much a part of PPruNE.
This post is in no way a slight on Danny but rather an observation on how BIG BROTHER has grown BIGGER(Not Smaller)in the 21st Century.
I can only hope that this is not the beginning of something more sinister.

[surfside6]

Thank you CORAL....I rest my case.
Best and Fondest Regards,Troy D.

[Woomera]

You are all jumping to incorrect conclusions.

The issue is related solely to Copyright laws.

Woomera

[socks]

You can cut and paste this article into the link below to translate.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

Qantas caps foreign crews

Qantas regarde pour dévier un accord qui couvre le nombre de carlingue servent d' équipier basé outre-mer en louant l'Asiatique bas-payé sert d' équipier à travailler pour ses lignes aériennes subsidiaires et australiennes internationales peu coûteuses. Juste trois mois après action industrielle répandue évitée par Qantas par ses 4000 préposés de vol international au-dessus des plans pour établir Londres servent d' équipier des lignes aériennes basses et australiennes a dit aux préposés de vol l'association qu'elle veut l'accès sans restriction au travail étranger. Michael Mijatov, le secrétaire de la division internationale des syndicats, dit : "ce qui ils disent à nous est qu'ils ne veulent aucune restriction du tout." Les négociations de salaire entre la filiale de Qantas et l'union ont décomposé le mois dernier. Le mouvement représente le dernier bas dans les relations entre Qantas et l'union depuis que la ligne aérienne secrètement a formé l'année dernière des centaines de préposés de vol en tant que briseurs de grève potentiels. Les relations ont semblé être sur le réparer après que l'union étée d'accord sur les plans de Qantas pour la base de Londres en soulevant le chapeau sur étranger-basé serve d' équipier de 370 à 870 novembre passé global. AdvertisementAdvertisement Qantas compte sauver $18 millions par année - principalement des factures réduites d'hôtel et de repas - quand il a installé le 400-strong Londres servent d' équipier la semaine prochaine de référence. Des lignes aériennes australiennes n'est pas liées par le chapeau parce qu'on le considère une ligne aérienne séparée de Qantas. Une fois enquis des plans de la ligne aérienne aux préposés de vol de source en Asie, un porte-parole de Qantas a dit : "il n'y a aucun plan immédiat pour changer la manière les lignes aériennes qu'australiennes fonctionne. Cependant, pour assurer la viabilité à long terme des lignes aériennes australiennes, il ne peut pas y avoir des restrictions placées sur la croissance de la ligne aérienne." Les lignes aériennes australiennes n'a pas indiqué dans quels pays qu'elle veut établir servez d' équipier les bases. L'association de préposés de vol résiste également à des mouvements par la ligne aérienne de forcer son vol sert d' équipier à voler de plus longs secteurs sans élévation substantielle de salaire. L'union indique que les lignes aériennes australiennes sert d' équipier sont déjà des 40 pour cent payés moin'une heure que leurs contre-parties de Qantas. Qantas indique que la ligne aérienne a une base 25 à 30 pour cent plus à prix réduit en général. Des craintes parmi des syndicats de plus de travaux de Qantas allant outre-mer ont été remplies de combustible la semaine dernière où le cadre supérieur du porteur, Geoff Dixon, dit lui a dû trouver "plus d'efficacités en mettant plus de travaux en mer". En dépit de Qantas cimentant sa réputation comme ligne aérienne la plus profitable du monde en rapportant un ascenseur de 28 pour cent dans des bénéfices de semestre à $458.4 millions, M. Dixon a dit que la ligne aérienne a été competitivement contrainte en ayant 95 pour cent de son fortement syndiqué 35.000 employés basés en Australie. M. Dixon rencontrera des syndicats ce matin à Sydney, où on s'attend à ce qu'il fasse face à l'interrogation intense au-dessus des plans de la ligne aérienne pour déplacer les travaux en mer. Tandis que M. Dixon jouait en bas des rapports la semaine dernière que Qantas a voulue pour déplacer les environ 7000 travaux en mer, il a dit : "si nous voulons être comme plus de nos concurrents, ils ont probablement 70 pour cent de leurs personnes dans leurs pays d'origine." En tant qu'élément de son programme de trois ans pour couper $1.5 milliards de sa base de coût, Qantas regarde pour sauver $486 millions "de la productivité de travail" améliorée par le milieu de 2006.

Is this acceptable :ok: :mad: :suspect:

[gaunty]

They are slowly becoming irrelevant because of the widespread use and instant nature and (uncensored) content of the internet.
Then where are we going to go for the "news" then. ;)
I have internet subs to several "e newspapers " including the NY Times.

[bonvol]

Excellent Coral just excellent!

I started laughing but then I ended up crying.

[rescue 1]

I miss Wirraway's news updates, they gave the board topics for debate, informed those of us offshore in "one easy click", and generally kept everyone on the straight and narrow and not too much rumour.

D&G just does not seem the same anymore, it would be great if the Chief Pilot, Woomera et al could find a workaround, and we could get W back to work delivering the news first to D&G.

[PureRisk]

Yes I agree and I said it would be the case. Without the industry news I think we have all already noticed the lack of factual imformation and debate coming in. And im sure Woomera has too. Come on son, try and find a way around it and get the news back. D&G will/is becoming LESS irrelevant by the day. Dont let it happen.....

[scramjet77]

WOOMERA,

If we are all jumping to the wrong conclusion, then your obtuse behaviour and lack of a simple and succinct explanation can only be to blame.

[NAMPS]

I miss the news updates too.

However, I thought Woomera explained that it was a copyright issue...

[Buster Hyman]

And there was me thinking that if you named the source and author of the report, you were covered!

If indeed there was a complaint from Australian Boring, then the simple answer is to make it very clear that the members of the aviation community that frequent this site will seek alternative products to those advertised in the aforementioned rag!:suspect:

[PPRuNe Towers]

Copyright pure and simple.

There is a perfect workaround based on the principle of 'fair usage.'

Regretably no-one with the time to put it into action after I wrote to all involved on the Australian side of the house.

Regards
Rob Loyd

[colonel hannibal]

WIRRAWAY ....
Thanks for your informative posts and diligence for "watching the media " over the last few years.

I, like many others, have found your "media watch" very informative, if NOT accurate ?(thanks Journos!!!!!!!!!)

Perhaps.... no....... a silly Idea ...........










MAYBE...Just MAYBE .........


Aviation could be reported by PROFESSIONALS ??????

Maybe ... CHANNEL 7/9/10 COULD subcontract SOME proFESSIONAL PILOTS/ OR SIMILAR to report on AVIATION related newsmatters ??????



HOWEVER.......


before they start talking $$$$$$$

maybe we should get a new union ?


Happy easter everyone!

[Buster Hyman]

I read somewhere that Charles Slade was ex RAF Colonel...its a start I suppose.

[Pinky the pilot]

Buster; No such rank as colonel in the RAF or the RAAF for that matter. Equivalent would be Group Captain I think.

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[Buster Hyman]

:} Sorry Pinky, I was actually answering Colonel Hannibal, not saying he was a Colonel.:) :ok:

However, I didn't know that anyway. Cheers!:ok:

[VH-Cheer Up]

The copyright issue has been around since Gutenberg invented movable type and a lawyer with time on his hands saw a way to generate revenue.

The major news publishers take a dim view of others reproducing their verbiage, and take the same dim view when you quote a deep-link URL pointing to an article in their bowels of their websites.

There's nothing to stop people commenting here on news articles. Just listen to breakfast radio to hear how news articles stimulate conversation and phone calls every day. All you need to do is reference the story, as in: "I saw in the paper that Jester had some kind of engine surge over Bass Strait on Saturday night, continued on to YMMV on one donk, what do you reckon"...

Long live rumour, innuendo and uninformed debate.

Cheers!

[Deaf]

Pinky, I wouldn't be too sure where the poms are concerned. I have seen service docs for an oz army officer who was in the british army and rose to the rank of Group Captain.

[Sykes]

Sure you're not blind as well??? :O

Aussie service ranks are the same as Pommie ones (We got them from them).

There is no rank of Group Captain in the Pom army. :ok:

[Buster Hyman]

Ah yes, but there is a Group Hug in the Navy!:ooh: :ugh: :} :ouch: