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QNH 1013
17th Dec 2004, 07:15
May I congratulate and thank those who wrote, sponsored, and published the "Notam Explained" booklet that I received with my "Pilot" magazine a couple of days ago.

This is the best explanation of how to use the site I have seen. It has saved me time and helped me get more out of the site each time I have used it since.

Pat Malone
17th Dec 2004, 08:21
Hear hear. An excellent idea. I wish I'd thought of it myself. Well done Pilot.

Whirlybird
17th Dec 2004, 08:33
I completely agree. It's worth getting a copy of the current Pilot just to get hold of this. The mag's not bad either. :)

RichyRich
17th Dec 2004, 09:36
Is that the January issue? I'm still reading the December one, after all it is still December...

I never worked out why they call it, for example, the January issue, when clearly it was written at the latest in November, and is available in December. Where does January come into the picture? (This is ALL magazines, not just the flying ones).

Kolibear
18th Dec 2004, 16:52
Its a great idea and I have to confess that its motivated me to explore the Notams site.

If Mike Cross had anything to do with it - Thank You Mike :ok: :ok:


One question - in the 'Briefing Handbook' is there anyway of deleting saved, personal narrow route briefings. I've now got half a dozen briefings called 'test', teet', 'qwerty' etc which I'd like to get rid of

Phoenix09
18th Dec 2004, 17:52
It is indeed an excellent booklet however I fear that it will soon be out of date.

I see that as of the 1st April next year NATS are becoming politically correct and that NOTAM will become NOTAP... Notice To Aviation Participants.

I guess that it was only a matter of time before it happened. To use the term Airmen in this day and age was bound to upset somebody sooner or later.






:ok: :p

Genghis the Engineer
18th Dec 2004, 19:06
Whirly, are you an Airman, an aviation participant, or something else altogether?

G

The Nr Fairy
18th Dec 2004, 20:23
So will it become "airpersonship" to denote an understanding of the subtleties involved in safe aviation ?

Whirlybird
18th Dec 2004, 20:27
Whirly, are you an Airman, an aviation participant, or something else altogether?


I don't know, Genghis - you tell me. Er...on second thoughts.....

Well, I just thought Notams were Notams were what you had to read so you didn't fly where you oughtn't and get fined. You mean some people work out what these things stand for? Not me; I'm just a simple soul who goes flying and learns what I has to and that's it. :ok: I leave the subtle linguistic...whatevers...for someone else. :confused:

Gertrude the Wombat
18th Dec 2004, 20:29
(This is ALL magazines, not just the flying ones)It's called "competition".

Whatever day of the month you bring out your comic, sooner or later your competitor is going to bring his out a few days earlier, so as to appear on the bookstalls first, so that the punters who want to buy one comic on this topic but not all of them will buy his new comic first and then not buy yours as well when it comes out a few days later.

So, next month you publish a few days earlier, don't you, so that you can be first.

It is easy to see that after a few years of this you get January numbers published in mid-November.

Whirlygig
18th Dec 2004, 21:21
Well, I am an airman just like I am a chairman. The derivation comes from "human". Otherwise, I would have say that I am woperson? Nah, don't think so!

Cheers

Whirlygig

Mike Cross
19th Dec 2004, 10:10
NATS have diddly squat to do with the terminology.

The Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation lays down the framework that signatory States (including the UK) undertake to comply with. NATS is simply the contractor that the CAA uses to fulfil its obligations under the Convention.

The actual terminology is laid down in ICAO Standards and Recommended Practises (SARPS).

Kolibear - thanks - I did draft some of the text.

The idea came from Sam Spurdens, Marketing Manager at Archant, publishers of Pilot, with financial support from the sponsors and UK AIS.

Sam has recently gained his PPL.:ok:

muffin
19th Dec 2004, 16:35
I am glad I read this thread. My first action on taking any magazine out of its plastic bag is to shake it over the bin so all the advert insertions go to their rightful place. As a consequence I missed this gem, so I dug in the bin and found it. Excellent reading..

Gertrude the Wombat
19th Dec 2004, 17:03
My first action on taking any magazine out of its plastic bag is to shake it over the bin so all the advert insertions go to their rightful place. Moving slightly off topic ...

The cheapest way for a local authority to send a leaflet to every household is as a blow-in in the free newspapers. Like you, I just tip these into the bin without looking at them, and I reckon that about 99% of the punters do likewise.

So, what is your local council to do?

(1) Spend five times as much on hand-delivering leaflets, and get slagged off for wasting money on the delivery process, or:

(2) Send out leaflets as freesheet blow-ins, and then get slagged of because "we haven't been consulted" when every household did in fact get a copy of the consultation leaflet?

muffin
19th Dec 2004, 19:59
Fair point. Actually, I live in a rural area where there are no free sheets at all delivered as the producers don't think it is worth delivering to a village with 93 inhabitants where two new houses have been built in the last century.

Round here if the council wanted to get a message to the ratepayers, the most effective way would be to tell the postman or ask the parish council to do a leaflet drop. As we have mud coated roads all winter, the smell of cow poo in the summer, no street lights, no bus, no school, no gas, no main drainage, no pavements etc, I am not actually sure what we pay rates for anyway?

The plus side is that I can land my helicopter at the back of my house or the back of virtually any other house in the village without a single mutter. I guess that is worth paying the rates for!

bletchleytugie
23rd Dec 2004, 19:32
Koliber - unfortunately you can't remove the brieifngs from your handbook, they will eventually disappear as you build up a library of briefings. It will store a maximum of 90 (ish).

Bletchleytugie

Maxflyer
23rd Dec 2004, 22:54
Is there a site, booklet, or some such that gives a complete Notam decode glossary?

rotorcraig
23rd Dec 2004, 23:43
From FAA web site:

Approved NOTAM contractions (http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/NTM/notapd5.html)

RC

Mike Cross
24th Dec 2004, 07:12
Is there a site, booklet, or some such that gives a complete Notam decode glossary?
Yes there is. This handy pocket-sized reference is called the UK AIP.
The list of AIS abbreviations is here http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/pdf/gen/10202.PDF

There is a list of abbreviations for en-route obstacles here http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/pdf/enr/20504.PDF

As a result of recent changes you can now cut and paste from the AIP so it is possible to make up your own reference should the AIP prove slightly too bulky for your bag.

Needless to say, all the chart symbology is there too.

Mike