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[MichaelDoyle]

Hi
Seems as though we have a Manchester tread lets also discuss LPL rumours aswell.
Anyone got any?
Thanks
Michael

[Danny_R]

On a more serious note.

Obviously Flybe with the 5 additional routes. Probably few more from FR due and no doubt Easyjet will want a bit of the cake.

And the recent announcement regarding further airport expansion, due in 2005.

[dwlpl]

Liverpool pax throughput to rise by approx 30% in 2005 when compared to the 2004 figure of about 3.4million.

[ezy733]

Anybody get pics of the Barbados flights over the weekend?:ok:
There are also still very strong rumors CO and another US company are to set up at LJLA:D

[dwlpl]

The inbound was due yesterday at about 04:30, a bit early for me. PandO said the flight was very successful and will have a few more next year.

This is the outbound 767 on its way to Barbados from Liverpool.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/nwan/gbyaa.jpg

[Danny_R]

Rumours of CO have been around for quite some time, nothing concrete yet though.

[Speedbird777heavy]

The W6 website still shows no sign of LPL-BUD for S05. Can we assume this has been suspended as all other BUD destinations, and also LPL-KTW and LPL-WAW have now been released for sale?

[dwlpl]

The winter 2004 schedule shows departures Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday to Warsaw, Budapest and Katowice from Liverpool.

The summer 2005 schedule has departures to Katowice on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. The Warsaw flights are on the same days as the winter.

There are no flights (at present at least) to Budapest.

[lagerlout]

i think it will only be a matter of time before we here more from ryanair at LPL

[Mouser]

Now that Liverpool is to bring forward the next stage in terminal expansion, which way will it go East or West.
East would take out the old tower (pictured above) and West, TNT and the Royal Mail buildings would have to go, also more apron space which way? an extension to the new tango apron or West down towards the fuel tank farm.

[dwlpl]

The most likely way is towards the west.

Then east for the next phase after that. :ok:

[lagerlout]

how far west could it go. i dont think emerald want to move their offices.!!

[Bagso]

This Sat WAW - LPL will opearte via KTW...mate got a call over the w/e suggesting a 5 hour delay ......

..at least they told him !

[lagerlout]

does not seem to indicate the best of starts to wizzairs operation my guess would be lack of pax as opposed to a/c maint issues. would you agree?!?!

[dwlpl]

This weeks (7th, 9th, 11th Dec) flights route Budapest - Liverpool - Warsaw - Katowice - Liverpool - Katowice -Budapest.

From 14th Dec they revert to the schedules as timetabled.

[lagerlout]

what makes you think they wont do the same next week. i hope not i really want it too suceed!

[dwlpl]

They may well do so but I can only relay what I know.

[Speedbird777heavy]

Well Wizz must be optimistic over the WAW and KTW routes if they`ve at least put those on sale for 05. I`m concerned that if they can pull BUD as quickly as this, before it even starts, in the face of competition from LS at MAN, then what future is there for the remaining routes if the likes of SkyEurope start flying to MAN (they have apparently applied for slots). This is of course assuming that EZY don`t decide to fly ex MAN to WAW and KRK (or even BUD).

[lagerlout]

did not mean to sound like i was being curt with you dwlpl but i cant help but think that they will pull out if things dont look to good. the marketing over here has been pretty shabby! what sort of % age of the load are actually going to be from poland etc. any ideas???

[Mouser]

Wizz are still battling away down at Luton head to head with Easyjet, were there seems to be lots of capacity compared to the North West were there's room for a bit more, the routes to Poland will do well and Budapest, well head to head with Jet2 why not there'll be plenty of backsides to go round on this route.

[ezy733]

Hi anybody know what the loads on the first wizz flights to day where

[Mouser]

This morning don't know, this afternoon 90ish inbound and outbound 50ish, not bad.

[cwllpl]

Pax figures not to bad for the first day of operation.

There where:

WAW-LPL 58
LPL-WAW 40

BUD-KTW-LPL 118
LPL-KTW-BUD 80+3

The pax figures for BUD aren't great, but hopefully won't be to long before the pick up, At least they told most pax on the BUD flight that they would be delayed due to them combining pax. makes a change most LCC seem to ignore telling pax things like that before they arrive at the airport.

[ezy733]

Easyjet are to celebrate today the ten millionth passenger to past through LJLA since starting operations there.
Ryanair are today going to release more details of their expansion at Liverpool.(maybe more routes) ::)

[dwlpl]

Will today be the day easyJet announce a bigger presence and more routes from its Liverpool base? :ok:

[ezy733]

http://members.lycos.co.uk/nwan/bus.jpgHere is a picture of Liverpool Airports new bus three more to follow. picture by Dave Graham.

Edited for non-allowable link. PPP

[Mouser]

Read this morning that more than 15,000 people have already booked seats on Ryanair's new routes out of Liverpool, this just days after Flybe revealed seeing high levels of demand on it's new services from Liverpool.

[cumulo-granite]

...another bus! Never thought I'd see the day...!

CG ;)

[GrahamK]

You were told that the childish tones about LPL must stop. And so they must. It is up to you.

Next one gets the boot!

PPRuNe Pop

[kick the tires]

Passenger figures are totally meaningless - its the yield that is the bottom line. i.e. revenue minus costs

Sell 50 seats at 5 quid = 250 quid revenue towards the costs of the flight.

Sell 50 seats at 50quid = 2500 quid etc

[Speedbird777heavy]

Speaking of yield, Wizz must be doing something right - a quick look at their website shows LPL-WAW on 21/12 for GBP199.00!! - one way!!

[Powerjet1]

Not unusual. They do this on LTN flights all the time. Infact nearly all Katowice & Gdansk flights from today right up to Christmas are £149.00 or more. Budapest is slightly less due to competition from easy on their twice daily. Some prices will drop, others will go even higher.

[dwlpl]

Todays inbound combined Warsaw/Katowice flight brought in 100+ pax ex Warsaw and another 40 ex Katowice.

[Danny_R]

Not a bad start, let's hope that things can only get better!

Anything about new FR routes on the grapevine?

[lagerlout]

certainly seems to be a bit of scope to dot the eyes and cross the t's with ryanairs operation ex LPL. i would hope to see hahn and stockholm very soon!

[lagerlout]

further points having worked and flown from the airport. before things get very busy in the new year might be an idea to consider re-surfacing the runway and upgrading the ILS. Whilst LPL has got a very good weather record some of the facilities in the airport are very second rate? Do you agree?

[dwlpl]

What does anybody know about a rumour that 'full service carriers' want to start flying from Liverpool.

[Vampy]

depends which 'full service carriers' you're talking about.........:hmm:

[JustaFew]

Yes, the runway will require resurfacing in the next few years, if not sooner. It would also help if holding point G was reopened.
A G/P on 09 was installed recently; which bit of which ILS do you believe needs improving?

[lagerlout]

With sky europe announcing routes ex man to the wizz routes are there really enough NW bums to fill the seats???

P>S full service carrier to LPL. be nice if it were BA sending a warning shot to MAN? Cant see it . what rumours have you heard dwlpl?

[kriskross]

What does need improving urgently at LPL is the airside transit of passengers to and from the gates to the aircraft.

So often we sit with our pax on board because another aircraft is boarding and you cannot unload at the same time.

Even on the new stands, 3, only one aircraft can board at a time, so turnrounds get delayed.

I would guess that with the extra flights from Ryanair and Flybe, some aircraft will have to use the remote stands opposite the terminal all day instead of just night stopping - no wonder new busses have arrived!!!

The terminal desperately needs improving airside.

[Mouser]

The terminal airside is new and smart, my guess is that you are referring to the downstairs departure gates, if that's the case then I agree they do need some attention.

[dwlpl]

Now that all, or very nearly all, of EZY schedules are published for next summer 2005, when are the new routes out of Liverpool going to be announced? :ok:

[eggpops8]

The prob with being only able to board one flight is nothing to do with the gates. It is simply down to Aviance and circus air not supplying sufficent escort staff

[Mouser]

Totally agree that's my experience when returning to Liverpool, WHEN there has been a delay in disembarking, waiting for the escort staff, baggage, and steps, doesn't seem to be a problem.

I cocked that up!
It should read escort staff are sometimes a problem, baggage and steps ain\'t.

[cwllpl]

eggpops8

not realy down to the handling agents for all the problems, some of the people who allocate stands should also take the blame, (not all of them only a couple) parking an international flight infront of the domestic arrivals (STAND 1) and domestic flights on any of the other stands doesn't help the handling agents, because the passenges have to cross in the middle of the apron to get to their designated arrivals hall. this means that there will be a delay in offloading pax. The back stands on the new Tango apron don't get used enough either.

and as for not having enough escort staff on the apron is true, but unfortuately you can't have 2 staff for each arriving aircraft, because if this happens the handling agent has to charge the airline more money.

The airlines suffer because the go for the cheapest option of agents, not always the best move, just ask EZY.

[Vampy]

LOT are looking for a 3weekly service to Warsaw, presumably in direct competition with Wizzair. KLM and Air France are also sniffing around. Watch this space......

[dwlpl]

..... from Liverpool?

BTW, they are not the 'full service' airlines that I have been told of.

[Vampy]

There are also 2 others but personally I think they are highly unlikely so I didn't mention them. Which ones are you talking about? Or is everything going to be in code? :) :ok:

[Mouser]

I see that an aviation recruitment website is looking for Easyjet Cabin Crew for their Liverpool base does this mean more based a/c and more routes, I wonder!

[dwlpl]

Yes so I am told, but don't tell anyone. :ok:

[Vampy]

dwlpl, did you get my pm reply to yourself? not sure if it sent......

[dwlpl]

I have not received a PM from you.

[Mouser]

I heard that BA are considering a Liverpool - London (Heathrow) 5 X daily service, using an Airbus.

[dwlpl]

Thats something I have heard also. :ok:

Will BA put effort into the route or will they fly it with the intention of stopping other airlines from flying the route?

BA serving the Liverpool/Heathrow route was one of the 'full service' airlines that I have been told about.

Still trying to find out how 'real' the other rumoured airline is to fly out of Liverpool. If this rumour is true it will be a return to Liverpool for the airline.

[fox_trot_oscar]

With BA's considerable frequency and pretty much dedicated terminal and facilities through MAN to LGW and LHR, why would they massively dilute this by operating 5 daily flights from LPL to LHR?

Makes no sense at all to me.

Which other 'full service' carrier has been rumoured? I take it from comments above that it's BMI?

FO :confused:

[Mouser]

dwlpl,
Does this other airline have a baby!
As far as it diluting Manchester who's cares in fact couldn't give toss which of the two do LHR as long as LPL gets its service, after all VLM do LCY from both MAN/LPL.

[dwlpl]

The diluting argument is something that has been aired here before.

When it was rumoured that VLM were to fly LPL/LCY there were those who dismissed it out of hand saying much the same as FTO has above.

When they, VLM, did announce the route nothing changed in those opposed to Liverpools attempt to grow pronouncements.

VLM have since said it is their best ever start to a new route in its history.

I have heard that VLM is looking to grow is presence at Liverpool in the wake of its success on the LPL/LCY route.

So all in all, I think that BA serving LPL with ALL of its might maybe a tad unbelievable given its attempts in the not-so-distant past.

[G-OCAT]

If this rumour is true it will be a return to Liverpool for the airline

Interesting...the only other major full service carrier (that isn't BA or BD in whichever guise you care to choose) that I can think of to have served LPL in any meaningful way in the past was KLM.

If true, this might explain EZY's interest in having a pop at Manchester-Amsterdam as a bit of a tit-for-tat move?

[dwlpl]

KLM, Air France and LOT are said to be looking at Liverpool.

Look at earlier in the thread with a post by Vampy saying "LOT are looking for a 3weekly service to Warsaw, presumably in direct competition with Wizzair. KLM and Air France are also sniffing around. Watch this space......"

BTW, I think I missed BA and BMI reclassifying themselves as LCC's.

[Vampy]

dwlpl,

tried sending you a PM for the second time but apparently your inbox is full and needs emptying so my PM can't be delivered.....

[MichaelDoyle]

Hi
Vampy,Could you send me a PM please on where this source is coming from please as I would like to have a look.
Ive also heard BA are coming back and IB are studying BCN for the summer with an Air Nostrum CRJ.
Thanks
Michael

[dwlpl]

The other 'full service' airline is BMI and they are also looking at the Liverpool/Heathrow route.

[fox_trot_oscar]

Quote:

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"As far as it diluting Manchester who's cares in fact couldn't give toss which of the two do LHR as long as LPL gets its service, after all VLM do LCY from both MAN/LPL."

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Erm, I'd guess that BA & BMI would both care! Not a particularly airline/commercial orientated view...! The VLM niche market to LCY on a 50 seater F50 is a rather different affair when compared with high frequency Airbus ops to LON. I know that both run in parallel at MAN, but MAN is a very different beast in respect of catchment and traveller perception. If a LPL-LHR or LGW route were to commence I would expect to see the VLM route take a major hit. At the moment, it's the only LON service ex LPL - after much campaigning to get it in place. Hence much of the success (it ain't cheap!).

Surely a lo-co LON route ex LPL would be the best option - LPL-LTN didn't work as it's not exactly the best use of a 737 distance-wise and the economies of scale overall therefore just don't work (regardless of how 'full' services were, the yield just wasn't there) but would a LGW route (i.e. further / south London...many SH and LH connections etc.) not work?

FO :rolleyes:

[submariner]

I'm a bit bemused by Fo's comments.

Why is Manchester a different beast? - LPL and MAN have similar catchement areas for long haul, but within the UK for domestic routes, few travellers would make the journey to MAN from LPL - The time spend doing so is unrealistic.

Therefore a LPL-LHR link would have few implications for VLM or MAN-LHR, although it may mean less car travel between the 2.

I travel extensively, if I want to go to London I travel VLM (prior to their service starting i used Virgin Trains if I had a day or two spare).

However, if I want to travel long haul - I currently drive to LHR for a flight. Why would MAN flights be involved? I want to travel point to point wherever possible. The only tiime I use MAN is for TFS flights as they are so cheap and all other flights are Full (ie LPL and LBA).

If a LPL - LHR is initiated, I would suggest that only VIRGIN would be affected to any degree, so why the useless comparison with other areas?

[blackflyer]

Liverpool Airport has always suffered in the past because many of the business community in Merseyside live at the farest parts of the county from the airport, that is around Formby and on the Wirral.

Manchester Airport was nearly as easy to get to as Liverpool. For many passengers this remains the case, especially for those on the Wirral.

Thankfully the Knowsley Expressway has made the airport much easier to get to for many people. The opening of the South Liverpool Parkway station later this year should encourage more people to use Merseyrail to get to the airport.

Many people who live nearer Liverpool Airport are still forced to use Manchester, as LJL is not connected to the world. Should Liverpool get services from any full service carriers these people could then use their local airport.

It will be important, though, for Liverpool Airport to ensure that passengers can add to the few minutes saved in travelling. Currently VLM customers can park near the terminal, check in quickly and are fast tracked through security. These facilities would need to be offered to all full fare passengers.

[Mouser]

Liverpool Airport is to campaign for a direct airlink between the city and New York.
Airport managers also want to see a service between Boston and Liverpool to capture business and tourism trade.
A high powered working party has been established to spearhead the campaign to persuade a major US based carrier to introduce a scheduled Liverpool service.
The aim is to introduce transatlantic links in time for Liverpool's 2007 birthday celebrations and its Capital of Culture year in 2008.

[dwlpl]

There are several items in todays press regarding Liverpool.

Staying with the New York and Boston articles, one of the airlines targetted is said to be, from the journalists (a group of people not usually knowledgable in matters aviation) findings, Continental Airlines.

[dwlpl]

More from todays press.

Liverpool is estimating to nearly DOUBLE pax throughput within two years from now!

The airport is heading for approx 3.35million pax for the year 2004, this is an increase of over 5% on the 2003 stats.

For the year 2005 the projected figure is said to be 4.5million pax, an increase of over 34% on 2004.

The year 2006 is projected as being 6.3million pax, this will be an increase of 40% on 2005.

[lagerlout]

so nearly two weeks into 2005 and no new routes yet ;)

[MichaelDoyle]

Hi
Here is Direct Holidays schedule for LPL in Summer 2005.

Tuesday: Palma - European Aircharter 737-200
Alicante - Monarch Airlines A321
Thursday:Faro - Astraeus 737-700
Lanzarote: Aer Europa 737-800
Friday: Tenerife - Monarch A320
Dalaman - Pegasus 737-800
Mahon - Futura 737-400
Saturday:Alicante - BMI A320
Las Palmas - Spanair A321
Palma Spanair A320
Sunday: Reus - BMI A320
Malaga - Thomsonfly 757

And dropped are:
Corfu and Bodrum on Monday
Reus on Wednesday
Palma on Saturday evening
Ibiza on Sunday evening.

Possibly a BMI LHR service if there are BMI flights?

Thanks
Michael

[point5]

Can't see bmi using an a/c on charter and scheduled services. A/c are usually utilised as one or the other wrt seating etc...
With bmi having all their Airbus fleet fully operational at the moment, can't see them starting a LPL flight (as much as I would like to see one). They are expecting 3 more 319s during 2005, but these may simply replace the same number of 321s due back to the lessor, hence no new colour scheme.

I would predict if a LPL service were to commence, it would be the worlds favourite. More a/c and slots available at LL.

[dwlpl]

Liverpool Airport is to create around 600 jobs (with recruitment of 135 to start immediately) to cope with the large increase in passengers this year and next.

[MichaelDoyle]

Hi
Does anybody know anyone who might be-able to get me some work experiance for next summer?
Thanks
Michael

[bmiboyz]

bmi do use scheduled configuration a/c on charter services. We do in MAN for example BD594 ops LHR- MAN then a/c nightstops in the summer to operate MAN-AGP-BHX-AGP-MAN followed by MAN-PVK-MAN on a sunday. All charter flights from LHR are also operated by a scheduled config a/c.

[CandyBender]

Any news/info on the BA/BMI rumour?? Even the idea has been shot down in flames on airliners.net...........

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1898999/

[Vuelo]

That's because it's about as likely as Liverpool ever getting a transatlantic service. Amd that's zilch too.

[Danny_R]

Well you could look at the response from one of the people on there : "BD withdrew from this route several years ago because there simply wasn't a market for it"

That in itself shows a complete lack of knowledge, considering the same thing was being said 12 months ago about the VLM: LPL - LCY service. Well VLM certainly proved all these apparent "experts" wrong!

Just wait and see what happens, I can't see BA operating it, but BMI possibly, if they can find the slots.

As we've seen with VLM, when Liverpool Airport and the Merseyside press get behind an idea, it usually materialises.

[dwlpl]

Vuelo do you remember your post from last August.

"A friend of a friend who works for Liverpool City Council has reported that this announcement of the New York service...........................................Service said to be MON. WED, FRI and a 757 equipment used. No business class all economy config, start date 30/04/2004"

Two different views from you, I would sack your informer.

[lagerlout]

You have to rememeber that the City of Liverpool is a different beast now then when BD pulled out. Finally the city is on the up COC 2008 plus a new 1bn pound shopping centre amongst many other regeneration projects.

You cant compare before to now, the city is rising out of the ashes and thats why the big boys want to come play again!

[dwlpl]

Using the IOM Airport figures (the CAA ones are not that reliable) the Liverpool/IOM route brought about a rise in passenger figures in 2004.

Even after falls of 10%, 15% and 25% in March, April and May respectively, the route had a annual rise of 14% over the figure for 2003.

The route gained 21% more passengers from May after flyJem joined EuroManx on the route.

[lagerlout]

What a quiet start to the year for LPL. Any of you guys who have your finger on the pulse let us know of any big or impending news.

TA:ok:

[Mouser]

Did hear that Liverpool will get a fifth Ryanair based a/c.

[lagerlout]

but they have not even fully utilised the four that they have got?!?!????!?!?!?!?!?!?

[bmiboyz]

Out of interest the BD charter flights listed from LPL suggests that the ALC is a W pattern where from?? Anybody any ideas? and on the MYT the timings for the LPL - REU don't seem to make much sense. The departure from REU is before the inbound arrival!

[Mouser]

Lagerlout,
Yes you are correct, but that's what I was told.

[ops 69]

lets face it liverpool is a 2 bit airport with no facities not enough stands and this morning for example stands 51/52/53 to slippy to park a/c on and all pax portable pax steps full of ice pax were slipping everywere

[Mouser]

dwlpl,
Check your PM's not sure my reply went.

[dwlpl]

Yes I got it.

I think NEXUS maybe nearer to starting to fly out of Liverpool.

www.nexusairways.com

[eggc]

dwlpl...

i hope you have more info than their very unprofessional website gives.

For a 2005 launch i would have thought they would have got a lot further than putting on a website, that a 2 yaer old could have done a better job at....

Never happen if you ask me ;-)

Think MS flightsim is more their kettle of fish.

[Jamesair]

I hear that Wizz Air will give up its Budapest - Liverpool service before the end of March.

[Mouser]

Jamesair,
You could possibly be right, the reason is another airline looks like it will start LPL - BUD.

[lagerlout]

is this the EZY LPL-BUD announcement it wont happen . when was the last positive announcement by ezy @ LPL????

Anything else in the pipeline???

Wizzair have officially pulled their LPL-BUD flights citing a lack of equipment as the main prob. They promise to be back, but i cant see it!

[JIMMY-O'B]

Commenting today, Ryanair's Sales Manager Scotland & Regional UK, Cathy Timlin said:

"Ryanair is delighted to be linking Liverpool with the eternal city of Rome. The new route has been a real hit with over 20.000 bookings to date.:ok:

[lagerlout]

what do we thing the pax numbers will be like at the end of 2005???

[dwlpl]

2004 end of year pax total is 3.36million.

I would guess at between 4.5million and 4.6million for 2005.

The year after, 2006, I will go for 6million.

[lagerlout]

thats some pretty impressive growth, are you looking at Ryanair/ flybe being the main driver of this or can will EZY finally remember their forgotten base!

6 million would be a hell of a figure given that LPL does not really command a great deal of charter traffic due to its big brother down the road in stockport!

[dwlpl]

I expect easyJet, Ryanair and flyBE to increase their presence at Liverpool from what is currently known now. :ok:

[eggc]

Largerlout

"due to its big brother down the road in stockport!"...

do you mean Woodford...Stockports very own !!

Actually would probably make a great base for the Lo-co's, not sure tho that it's big brother down the road in MAN would allow that.

And please stop associating Stockport with Manchester....we are in Cheshire !!

[lagerlout]

Aye the banter, many a mancunian would include stockport in its supposed city region of 2.5 million or whatever they market themselves as.

Needless to say i only did it to wind you up. I acknowledge that Stockport is not in manchester!

What about EZY dwlpl or have they just forgotten about us????

[dwlpl]

Just to recap from before easyJet, Ryanair and flyBE.

[lagerlout]

just noticed that after reading it a second time, perhaps should get the eyes tested! :hmm: :hmm:

So dwlpl predictions for new routes / discontinued routes etc with it being the start of the year?!??!?

What your bets on. tis Feb now and no new route news yet, a bit quieter than i wanted!:confused: ;)

[GoEDI]

Any plans for EZY to base A319s anytime in the near future?

[blackflyer]

EZY are currently converting Orly into an A319 base. Stansted is next and will need a lot of aircraft.

Very few easyJet flights at Liverpool reach the 148 capacity of the 737, therefore there is no incentive to introduce the slightly larger aircraft.

I do not expect Liverpool to have based A319s for some time.

[point5]

How can an airport such as Exeter sustain a weekly A310 service to Toronto, but there is no such service available from Liverpool! Beats me!

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

A certain bigger airport down the road
whereas the is nothing near Exeter

G-I-B

[brabazon]

and the Exeter flight does stop at Birmingham and pick up pax.

[lagerlout]

yawn yawn..... anything going on here... i see they have started work on the new tango stands

[dwlpl]

Following on from yesterdays launch of its Liverpool base, flyBE has said how pleased they are so far and have indicated what they intend to do in the future (some of which they have not said before) out of Liverpool.

So far they have taken 45000 bookings for the Belfast City route and a further 30000 for the routes to Glasgow and Edinburgh.

They have also repeated that they will serve routes to 'three or four destinations - places like Bourdeaux, Limoges, Bergerac in France'. They say that the plans for those routes will be announced around July or August for them to start in summer 2006. There is no mention of the additional Scottish route (thought to be Aberdeen).

They have also said that 'sun routes' to Malaga, Alicante, Almeria, Faro, Mercia and Palma are a possibility.

Also, they are hinting at serving Germany and Scandinavia, both of which do not feature currently in flyBE's network, from Liverpool.

[tech...again]

....from the previous post, the best of luck to Flybe if they decide to go head-to-head with EZY on routes such as AGP/ALC/PMI ex LPL... Surely a foolish move - the ej BFS/BE BHD competition will be interesting to watch - with EZY already having wiped the floor with BE (last time I checked) on lowest fares here, but to go head to head on identical destinations, that really would be interesting to watch...

More to the point, do the Airport Company not want a good selection of destinations operated by a diverse range of carriers over the longer term...? What's the point in having one play off against the other at an airport the size/type of LPL? Sure, a short term win in pax throughput and temporarily great for the consumer, but surely rather shortsighted on the part of the airport company. Regardless of what people out there may think, the airport company can and in many cases does have a significant input into the destinations served - and by whom - at a given airport. This means that the airlines are happier, the airport gets its desired links in the longer term, and it's a formula that DOES work. The consumer doesn't lose out either in the grand scheme of things because the route is able then to mature and develop with a decent and long term/reliable schedule. One only need look at a certain other rapidly expanding airport in the north of England where this works and works well - airline loyalty is also rewarded which is another important factor.

TA

[ALLMCC]

Easy may very occasionally beat Flybe on fares from Belfast but, as previous well documented discussions on BFS/BHD have shown, there are two distinctly different markets being served by Easy and Flybe with more than fares being considerations.

The two compete on several routes ex Belfast and Flybe have shown that they can more than "hold their own" on most of them due, in no small part, to the convenient location of BHD as opposed to the not so convenient location of BFS.

Some pundits predicted that Easy would crucify Flybe when they started GLA & EDI almost 12 months ago - there is little evidence that is happening with healthy loads being experienced on both routes - expect the same will happen with LPL as already advance bookings stand at around 45000.

[JIMMY-O'B]

Quote :Robin Tudor, corporate affairs manager at JLA, said that it was not unusual to see routes to both airports and he was confident there was the market for both.

He said that Flybe's route may be particularly handy for business commuters because it landed closer to the city centre, in much the same way as VLM's flight to London City Airport, launched last year, allows easy access for passengers to the City.

[brabazon]

There's a difference between flybe competing with easyJet by operating to Befast City compared to Belfast International, but are they seriously thinking of going head-head on a route like Malaga?

[dwlpl]

Maybe the 51000 charter pax (not all of which are on package holidays) travelling to Malaga from northwest England last August alone points to a gap in the market.

[WATABENCH]

Has anyone up there heard any rumours about a poss BRS-LPL route to challange Flybe EXT-LPL, theres a lot of talk in BRS about it at the mo, EZY and Air Southwest have been mentioned for the same route, Air Southwest already do BRS-MAN and LBA so who knows!
Also haveing previously worked in travel agents in the west country, there is enough intrest to sustain a YYZ route from EXT, i would guess that they would prefer to go in to BRS but the runway length is the problem there, and as G-I-B put it there is nothing else near EXT, whearas you lot have that certain other large airport just up the road, Apart from BRS the nearest YYZ route is out of CWL(summer charter only) BHX or LHR.
However a BRS service was going via GLA a few summers ago but the airline went bust, shame really, think it was Canada3000.:ok:

[dwlpl]

There are whispers that easyJet/flyBE will start a Liverpool to Bristol service. Time will tell if it comes to fruition.

[WATABENCH]

Could be a good route i reckon, i would think more suited to WOW or BE, i'd be suprised if BE put it on because it would take business from the EXT route, however it would complement WOWs services from southwest to north.
Dont think EZY would fill a 737 daily on it though, but hey theyre full of suprises!:ok:

[MerchantVenturer]

Dont think EZY would fill a 737 daily on it though, but hey theyre full of suprises!
Who would have thought that easy would fill three daily B 737 rotations between BRS and NCL but they do and some of the flights are sold out days beforehand, so why not LPL-BRS?

There are rumours of some more easy routes from BRS to be announced soon. Might one be LPL?

Might impinge somewhat on WOW's BRS-MAN though.

[lagerlout]

Ezy BRS -LPL is unlikely, ezy have not announced anew route or development out of LPL in nearly a year.

Any indication what the early flybe loads are like???

Wpuld a new EZY Nante route which has been touted elsewhere be with further based a/c or dilution of existing services???

[point5]

Why is BRS unlikely? True! EZY haven't announced new routes for a while, which therefore makes me think its more likely to happen. EZY have to put their 737s from STN somewhere as the 319s are deliveredand we know LPL will remain a 737 base due maintenance.

May be early/late BRS rotation with Nantes in between?

[lagerlout]

i know ezy seem to be able to create their own demand and all that but i really cant see them op to BRS, thats surely a job for the likes of Flybe , southwest not EZY.

like the sound of LPL-BRS-LPL-NTE-LPL-BRS-LPL ... would be nice to have another a/c based here. i did notice though that they have now taken over about a quater of the check in hall (at least) just maybe letting ryanair and Flybe know they are still here!

[Mouser]

Rumoured in another thread it's mentioned Micheal O'Leary in LPL tomorow.

Yes he is paying a visit to Liverpool Airport for a special news conference apparently to talk about Ryanair's development at the airport, could it be that rumoured 5th a/c .

[dwlpl]

May have seen how well Wizz Air are doing on the Liverpool routes to Katowice and Warsaw and wants FR to get in on some of the Liverpool Polish action!

[lagerlout]

if wizz are doing so well dwlpl then why are they still comibining flights!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dwlpl]

If they were not they would not be flying the routes to Katowice and Warsaw in the summer with an increase in frequency to Katowice.

Also, I think you will find that they are not combining the Budapest flight on every occasion.

[lagerlout]

i dont disagree but you seem to have ignored my previous comment.... why are they still combining flight..... sky europe about to start ex MAN and FR ex LPL .... how many people want to go to Poland!

[dwlpl]

Previous post added to.

Todays series of flights are an example of them not combining the BUD flight.

[lagerlout]

dwlpl do you have any figures such as load factors to back your claims????

I want them to suceed but as per my previous post Poland could start getting crowded very soon.

And the budapest flight arguably the one which should have done best is no more very soon!

[dwlpl]

There are no official figures available at present to back up your claims or my information, also a 6am departure from Budapest will not produce large loads and will not endear the service to the travelling public especially in winter.

BTW, the increase is in Wizz Airs Polish routes and the combining, and the dropping, is in its Hungarian route.

One more point, I think I read that FR in the process of setting up of a Budapest base. Maybe a case of putting 2+2 together and getting 5.

[lagerlout]

The reason that i challenge you dwlpl is that you come up with reasoned common sense argumets and your last point about FR i would say is valid.

MOL does not have a tendancy of turning up anywhere unless he has something to say. If its just sales are going well... blah blah he can get Cathy Timms (if thats her name) to make the announcement. So flights to Budapest and that part of the world could definetly be on the agenda. lets hope so.

if you had to put a guess on the Wizz loads what would it be.... just curious!

[dwlpl]

As I said, the official figures are not available, but the unofficial figures for December 2004 from Liverpool to:

Budapest - 690
Warsaw - 1711
Katowice - 2365

[lagerlout]

which roughly equates to what %age .... come on throw me a bone here!!!!!!!!!

[dwlpl]

Presuming every flight flew (ie not taking into account the combined flight) except for December 25th, there were 10 return flights to each city in December. This equates to 180*2*10=3600 available seats.

Therefore:

Budapest = 19%
Katowice = 66%
Warsaw = 48%

The % figures will be different because I do not know when the combined flights did take place and when they did not.

[lagerlout]

there no too shabby less the BUD flight, which as you say does not encourage us with its timings, are the new 4 * a week flights going to be re-timed at all????

[blackflyer]

I consider Wizz Air management to be good. A decision appears to be made around two weeks before on the timings of the flights and passengers are informed accordingly.

Due to the timing on the Budapest route, the demand has been low from British travellers, although there has been a resonable number of Hungarians.

They have two ways of combining flights when necessary:
One aircraft routing BUD-LPL-WAW-KTW-LPL-KTW-BUD
or still using two aircraft BUD-WAW-LPL-WAW-BUD + KTW-LPL-KTW

The problem with the first is that BUD-LPL can be lightly loaded and WAW-KTW-LPL can end up full. The second option is the better one as there are resonable loads both inbound and outbound and the Budapest departure time is better. However this involves the expense of two aircraft.

All three options are being used in the next couple of weeks. Saturdays has no combining which shows they are doing fairly well. The second option is used when the Katowice flight can support its own aircraft.

[dwlpl]

are the new 4 * a week flights going to be re-timed at all????
The summer timings for the Katowice departure is 1905 on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

The summer times to Warsaw gives a departure of 1830 on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.

[kick the tires]

These figures are meaningless!!!

So what if the flights are 19% 66% 48% full, its the yields that the company ultimatley make that are important.

For example, they may make, say, £50 per head from the Budapest flight and only £1 per head from the Katowice flight. Whilst the loads for Budapest look low, that flight, in this example, would be more profitable.

Yield = whats left in the bank after ALL expenses are paid.

[jsd95]

The LPL-BRS-LPL-NTE-LPL-BRS routes as said in this topic are real projects or is it just an opinion??

Heard projects or rumors at LPL about new EZY routes, especially to Nantes??

[dwlpl]

I see that the FR aircraft due into LPL is coming in from Brno not Wroclaw this afternoon.

Wroclaw and Brno airports are both holding recruitment days for Ryanair today, maybe thats the real reason MOL is visiting.

[Cyrano]

Kick the tires:

These figures are meaningless!!!

So what if the flights are 19% 66% 48% full, its the yields that the company ultimatley make that are important.

For example, they may make, say, ?0„550 per head from the Budapest flight and only ?0„51 per head from the Katowice flight. Whilst the loads for Budapest look low, that flight, in this example, would be more profitable.

Yield = whats left in the bank after ALL expenses are paid.

Actually, no. Yield (at least over here where we spell "tyres" with a "y" :) ) is average revenue (per passenger, per RPK, etc.), i.e. a pure revenue metric, not taking account of costs. What you are referring to is operating profit.

You're right that load factors are only half the story and that yield is critical, but I can't imagine any no-frills carrier managing to be profitable on a 19% load factor - that's not how their model works.

In another thread it's suggested that EUjet's breakeven is 65% LF at 50 Euros per pax, and I'd guess that typical no-frills carrier revenue management sets breakeven between 65% and maybe 75%. So even though the load factor doesn't tell the whole story, the figures dwlpl posted do tell us that - assuming there isn't some wildly wildly different revenue management going on on the different routes - Katowice has some promise, Warsaw is a bit slow and Budapest is a crock of ...er, goulash. :)

[dwlpl]

I believe easyJet and Ryanair work on average of 80% for break even purposes.

Re Liverpool/Warsaw route, as you will see I posted the unofficial December figure of 1711 pax on Wizz Airs 10 return flights. I think this is a very good figure when you consider that the Manchester/Warsaw route weighed in with just 7 more at 1718.

[lagerlout]

LPL - BRS - NTE flights are just speculation on rumours i have already heard.

I dont understand i merely asked dwlpl if he had an idea of the load factor on each a/c .... not whether they are turning a profit ..., revenue per seat or whatever... just an indicator as to how well the seats are selling


I am sorry i asked now!:confused:

[Mouser]

From today's Ryanair press conference two more a/c to be based at LPL from October, I think that will be a total of six.

[symphonyangel]

At Michael O'Leary's press conference he did not actually confirm any more services, only that IF bookings are strong then he would connect JLA to the unserved FR bases of Brussels, Hahn and Stockholm and to 2 new European bases that he envisaged will open in next 12 months. He said it could mean 2 more aircraft for JLA but very dependent on seat sales.

[Mouser]

Yes that's what I said two more a/c.

[squibbler]

No Mouser you said:

".......two more a/c to be based at LPL......."


Symphonyangel said:

".....it could mean two more a/c to be based at LPL....."

Subtle difference...........ain't semantics great?? :}

[dwlpl]

Within the next few days or so VLM are expected to carry its 100,000th passenger on the Liverpool/London City route. This milestone falls more or less within a year (January 23rd 2004) of them beginning the route.

[Mouser]

Does anyone have any idea when the new Tango stands will be ready for use.

[narcisuslpl]

Vlm informed today that they should have had their 70,000th passenger on the LPLLCY route. They estimate that they will hit 100,000 passengers roughly about May.

Today 23rd Feb is the one year aniversaryof VLM's LPLLCY service!

[dwlpl]

VLM are looking to increase the frequency of the Liverpool/London City service up to seven per day.

They are also said to be looking at other routes from Liverpool one of which is said to be Brussels.

[dwlpl]

The first Ryanair Milan Bergamo/Liverpool arrival is due to land within the next 15mins or so.

[Mouser]

It's on one of the new stands in Dreamliner livery.

[lagerlout]

did it look busy all these italians in Liverpool hey... what are we gonna do with them all!

[symphonyangel]

184 pax from Milan on first inbound flight. Strong booking profiles on the recently commenced Rome as well as Milan. With Pisa next then Venice, this will mean Liverpool has more scheduled seats on sale in Italy than any UK regional airport outside of the south-east. Who would have predicted that...

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Are you including Manchester? if so I`m not sure your figures are correct

1 how many pax do Ryanair B737 hold
2.preseume each destination once daily
is this correct?

Manchester routes
Milan 2 daily by Alitalia MD80 from end march plus one BA RJ100 and EMB145

Rome Daily BA RJ100

Venice Daily Jet2 B737 and BA EMB145

Pisa BA EMB 145 daily

Naples MON A320 daily

all those are Scheduled flights

G-I-B

[Mouser]

From 26th April it will be four daily 737-800 flights. how many pax do they hold at least 184.:rolleyes:

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Therfore Manchester has more seats by quite a margin, somewhere between 1100-1200 at a guess a day each direction

G-I-B

[dwlpl]

Liverpool aircraft - Ryanair 737-800 = 189 seats.

Manchester aircraft - depends on how BA(AR1 & ER4), AZ (MD80), Jet2 (737), MON (320) fit out theirs.

[Ringwayman]

BA: RJ = 110, ERJ145 = 49
Jet2 = 148
MON = 180
AZ = 150 I think

Makes it around 1000 seats per day (on weekdays) available ex-MAN.

[Mouser]

What price Alitalia pull one daily given the extra capacity.

[dwlpl]

Given the above is correct (re seat capacity) this is the number of seats available PER WEEK:

LIVERPOOL
Rome FR = 1323
Milan FR = 1323
Pisa FR = 1323
Venice FR = 1323
TOTAL = 5292

MAN
Rome BA = 770
Milan BA = 954, AZ = 2100
Pisa BA = 698
Venice BA = 159
Naples MON = 1260
TOTAL = 5941

Liverpool totals prior to 28th Jan 2005 was nil, also there is a whisper that Naples will be a FR base in the future and will be linked to Liverpool.

[Ringwayman]

don't forget daily Pisa and Venice by Jet2, making an additional 2072 seats to MAN per week (revised total = 8013)

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Why should Alitalia pull one with the loads they are getting, that is why they are putting a larger aircraft on

G-I-B

[Caslance]

Ahem..... Alitalia operate the 126 pax A319 into MAN at the moment.

They're replacing it with the MD80 with 131 to 150 seats, depending on configuration.

That's an increase in capacity, albeit a small one.

There are simply more available seats between MAN and Italy than there are between LPL and Italy - fact. MAN is the larger of the two airports and is served by many more operators than LPL so this is not surprising.

Seeing as both are dwarfed by the available seats between LHR and LGW and Italy, let's keep things in perspective, eh?

[dwlpl]

Considering that Liverpool, less than one month ago, had zero seats available to Italy, the airport is doing very well to have over 5000 seats available per week in another 2 months time.

[Mouser]

Lets see what reasons I could come up with for them to pull one:ugh:


" I know! Alitalia is on it's knee's, skint, bust.
Hang on! just thougth of another, Ryanair.
What about the 184 bod's that flew into LPL yesterday
they could have used Alitalia but didn't they chose Ryanair."

[Caslance]

Yes, Mouser.

Another reasonable scenario would see Alitalia millking the route for all it's worth because they're making money on it.

If they were competing head-to-head and point-to-point with Ryanair it might be different. But they're not.

And that still leaves the Jet2 flights that dwlpl overlooked.

Anyway, all this MAN vs LPL stuff is silly - traffic at both is expanding year on year, to the benefit of the whole North West and further afield, too.

[dwlpl]

..... as you will have seen in this mini-thread, my first post did not omit Jet2 but I forgot in my second post to include them, something that Ringwayman corrected before I could do so.

Re Alitalia, whats their past performance like at MAN. I seem to remember there schedules have disappeared on a number of occasions in the past.

[Caslance]

Seems to be pretty solid this time round, dwlpl.

The aircraft type was changed to the Emb170 for a short while last summer, but this had nothing to do with low pax figures and everything to do with the A319s being needed at home at the peak of the Italian holiday season.

The fact that many of the Emb170 flights were "doubled up" with an Emb145 speaks for itself, I think.

On at least one occasion recently, the A319 has been substituted with an A320.

All in all, the route seems healthy.

[Mouser]

What about the 184 pax into LPL paying lo-cost fares on Ryanair's first flight, there's no" it's early days" here straight in five empty seats only, this is the first real fight Alitalia/BA have had on this route. Choose a nice shinny 737-800 at lo-cost, or through the nose fares on a scruffy MD80 or even worse an RJ100 that might just get up to cruise altitude (27000ft) before we start to desend.

[Caslance]

Yes, whatever, Mouser. :rolleyes:

It's not a game, you know! :p

[Mouser]

I don't think you Manc's really feel threatened by LPL, but by the Christ if had your way LPL would be snuffed out. £16 million a year for back handers might do the trick.It seems expansion is good for the NorthWest when it's from Manchester.

[Mouser]

Take no notice of my last thread, it was done with me beer googles on.

[Caslance]

Ah but in vino, veritas Mouser.

You need look no further than a few postings above your own to see Anyway, all this MAN vs LPL stuff is silly - traffic at both is expanding year on year, to the benefit of the whole North West and further afield, too.

How's the head this morning? :E

[Mouser]

Thanks for asking, yes it's a bit of a struggle this morning.

[MichaelDoyle]

Hi
Stated on the NWAN forum that in the next 4 years Ryanair might have up 16 based aircraft at LPL,but its only speculation.

http://www.xsorbit6.com/users/nwanforum///index.cgi?board=news&action=display&num=1108489379&start=15

Thanks
Michael

[bmibaby.com]

Is LPL/IOM the only route that Emerald's flyjem operation has? With three pax-configured ATPs you would have thought that the management team might have been able to carve out more routes, but instead they have allowed flybe to arrive and trample all over the possibility of more domestic routes from LPL. Will flyjem fight back, or do they even have any plans to expand?

I've never noticed, despite being a regular visitor to the North-West, any flyjem advertising, and I'm not even sure who their target market is? Are they a no-frills airline?

I think that EasyJet will definately defend their turf at LPL. They have rolled over & allowed baby & Ryanair to eat into their routes at EMA, but its a completely different scenario at LPL. From the looks of it, nobody really seems to be stepping on anybody;s toes, and I doubt flybe would operate some of their Med routes from LPL as this is definately EZY territory. Secondary cities in France, perhaps FR's. I don't know what will happen here ...

[lagerlout]

emerald only have two pax a/c....
16 ryanairs is getting atouch ahead of ourselves!!!

[MichaelDoyle]

Hi
Heres the passenger figures for LPL in 2004.Courtesy of dwlpl

ABERDEEN - Air Wales
2108, started November 2004

ALICANTE - easyJet
103655, 100580, +3%

AMSTERDAM - easyJet
361929, 393470, -8%

BARCELONA - easyJet
173046, 176037, -2%

BASEL - easyJet
57373, started March 2004

BELFAST INT - easyJet
551655, 563042, -2%

BERLIN Schoenfeld - easyJet
56179, started April 2004

BRUSSELS Charleroi - Ryanair
3692 stopped January 2004

BUDAPEST - Wizz Air
690, started December 2004

CARDIFF - Air Wales
1782, stopped January and restarted November 2004

COLOGNE/BONN - easyJet
41977, started June 2004

CONNAUGHT/KNOCK - Aer Arran
7434, started June 2004

CORK - JetMagic
821, stopped January 2004

DUBLIN - Ryanair, Aer Lingus
238129, 242647, -2%

GENEVA - easyJet
133390, 146003, -9%

GIRONA - Ryanair
102911, started February 2004

ISLE of MAN - EuroManx, BACX, flyJem
203774, 178692, +14%

KATOWICE - Wizz Air
2365, started December 2004

LONDON CITY - VLM
68275, started February 2004

MADRID - easyJet
93608, 90117, +4%

MALAGA - easyJet
243709, 235075, +4%

NEWCASTLE - Air Wales
45, finished January 2004

NICE - easyJet
139576, 140135, -0.4%

PALMA - easyJet
146090, 141407, +3%

PARIS CDG - easyJet
237004, 256997, -8%

WARSAW - Wizz Air
1801, started December 2004

Thanks
Michael

[Cheers Buddy]

Heard a rumour today that FLYBE are planning LPL - LGW route to commence later on this summer, can anybody shed any more light on that??

[lagerlout]

are wizzair now combining both there Polish flights onto one a/c???

[MichaelDoyle]

Hi
lagerlout Its a good possibility as I only seen 2 departures yesterday when I was at LJLA but Im not to sure so dont hold me to it.Best asking someone with more knowledge than me like dwlpl.He'll probibly know.

Over in the NWAN there's strong rumours that the terminal and apron are to be extended.To first the 6 million mark then later the 1o million mark by 2010.
Thanks
Michael

[dwlpl]

Todays flights to Katowice and Warsaw are showing as arriving at the same time but with two different flight numbers.

From this Sunday Wizz Air are to fly into Liverpool daily, three flights per week to Warsaw and four per week to Katowice.

As Michael has said, Liverpool is said to be in the process of making plans to take the airport to the next step. The plans are to take in a throughput of 10million passengers per annum by 2010 something the airport was supposed to take until 2030 to achieve according to the CAA!

[lagerlout]

I understand that the first two Ryanair a/c are positioning up this evening from STN

[Mouser]

Both a/c arrived last night. Moving on I see that Britannia are recruiting for Liverpool based crew, and the rumour is that they are thinking of a based 767 all year round.

[lagerlout]

that really would be good news, we could do with seeing a bit more of the charter market!

[dwlpl]

New airline to Liverpool this summer is Britishjet. They are to fly to Malta on Friday evenings from 8th July to 16th September.

Timings:
dep Malta 1830 arr Liverpool 2100
dep Liverpool 2150 arr Malta 0230

[lagerlout]

see yet another ezy expansion announcement (BRS) and yet again LPL overlooked. I can so those mAN rumours staring again!

[Richard Taylor]

Were you living up to the first half of your name in your last sentence LL? (hic!)

:D

INV seems almost to be becoming a base of sorts for EZY!

Och aye!!

[Vampy]

see yet another ezy expansion announcement (BRS) and yet again LPL overlooked. I can so those mAN rumours staring again!

How about this one in the opposite direction......jet2 to liverpool? Anyone heard anything about that? :ok:

[Mouser]

Well, apparently they've had a look.

[Caslance]

Head-to-head with easyJet and Ryanair???

Don't be daft! :}

[Going loco]

Jet2 are already head to head with EZY and FR. Or do you really think that on routes like Pisa, Nice, Murcia, Malaga, Venice etc there are discrete LPL & MAN markets?? The reality is, all 3 are chasing the market in the North West.

loco

[Caslance]

No! Really???? :hmm:

I was referring to direct head-to-head competition from the same base - as you knew perfectly well......

[LBA]

Got new flights from Thomson to HER, RHO and Bulgaria (Dont know which airport) next year guys :)

[UNDERTAKER]

anyone see an AN 12 in liverpool last night?

what is it doing?

[dwlpl]

Liverpool passenger throughput for April was 331,404 a rise of over 29% compared with April 2004.

Total for the first four months of 2005 was 1,133,186 which is up over 18% (957,819) on the same period in 2004.

Not all of the new routes announced by Ryanair and flyBE have contributed to the totals.

[Mouser]

400,000 on the cards for May.

And that,s not counting the 20,000 Red Men flying out for the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL!

[dwlpl]

To reach 400,000 in May, Liverpool will need an increase of 35%!

If August has a similar growth as May has the total, it will not be far off 500,000 passengers.

This figure will be helped by the return of the Boys in Blue to European football.

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Just how much of the football traffic will go from Liverpool? cannot be many stands available early am at Liverpool

G-I-B

[dwlpl]

The flights are to be spread over three days.

[GrahamK]

Probably be a few on the Turkish flights from MAN to Istanbul as well

[dwlpl]

For those interested.

All the below are to Gockcen Istanbul Airport.

23rd May
Dep LIVERPOOL 1000 Excel

24th MAY
Dep LIVERPOOL 0520 LTE
Dep LIVERPOOL 0600 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 0600 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 0630 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 1120 Monarch
Dep LIVERPOOL 1600 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 1630 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 1700 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 1720 Monarch

25th May
Dep LIVERPOOL 0005 Monarch
Dep LIVERPOOL 0600 ONUR
Dep LIVERPOOL 0700 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 0700 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 0700 Monarch
Dep LIVERPOOL 0730 Monarch
Dep LIVERPOOL 0730 Air Scandic
Dep LIVERPOOL 0800 Monarch
Dep LIVERPOOL 0945 LTU

In addition there is dep STN 0830 European (25th May) and dep MAN 1720 First Choice (24th May).

The above is from just one agent so far. No doubt timings etc will change.

[lagerlout]

and servisair are having a mare with what they already have, these should be interesting days!

[dwlpl]

Liverpool reports that more than 331,000 have passed through the airport in April an increase of more than 29% on April 2004.

They are also said to be on target to pass the 4million passengers mark for the 2005 end of year total, up from 3.3million for 2004.

[dwlpl]

I am led to believe that Liverpool is to have a Tenerife service some
time later this year.

I do not know what airline/aircraft/frequency/start date as yet.

[WOWBOY]

It could be the proposed start-up airline Nexus Airways as they startingin summer 2005??

[lagerlout]

all quiet on the news front @ LPL. Come on guys what are the latest rumours coming out?

Seems like ages since the last route announcement!

[fox_trot_oscar]

How's the operational side of things going at LPL with all this growth? One contributor advises that Servisair are already having a 'mare' pre peak summer (not sure what constitutes a mare....) and LJLA handling have removed a large portion of the wing of one aircraft (grounded for a long time) and dented another in less than a week in recent days...

FO:eek:

[dwlpl]

Rumour going around re basing of more aircraft at Liverpool:

easyJet - 2 to 4 737's (currently 7)
Ryanair - 2 or 3 737's (currently 4)
flyBE - yet to decide

[lagerlout]

what substance is there to these rumours???

Or is it a bit more of a wish list!

[dwlpl]

Rumour by its nature cannot be said to be true or otherwise until it happens or not.

Time will tell.

[Caslance]

Imagine how boring life would be if we only ever heard the rumours that turn out to be true! :ok:

[dwlpl]

.... or rumours that are on the pessimsitic side of things such as the original rumour that said that Ryanair were basing (just) 2 737's at Liverpool when it was 4 737's. ;)

[bmibaby.com]

Lots of news on how the new low-cost airline flights are contributing to LPL's passenger numbers, but how are flyjem's multi-daily flights to IOM doing, and with two extra pax-configured ATPs rumoured to be on the way (I'm sure it was three they ordered from Biman/United Express) will they be expanding on more domestics or some international routes?

[Caslance]

Yes, dwlpl..... :rolleyes:

But why do they have that statue of Mike Harding in the Terminal? :confused:

Seriously, though - I'm the first to admit that Liverpool's expansion has been a real success story and good news for everyone in the North West.

[dwlpl]

Appears flyJem are doing well from LPL.

Since they started on the IOM route from LPL, traffic has grown by an average of more than 13% each month.

As for more routes out of Liverpool because they took there time (and they still have said nothing) to announce what they intend to do next, flyBE have moved in and stole its thunder. In June flyBE are to announce more routes including more domestic ones so Liverpool will be well covered in domestic destinations served.

Could be flyJem are left with domestic routes to Stansted and Gatwick unless they go head-to-head with flyBE.

[Cheers Buddy]

Heard that LGW and NWI are the destinations to be announced, can anyone shed any light on that??

[Yeah Whatever]

you need to have a little snooze by a quiet pond!!!!

[dwlpl]

Rumour (with all that goes with it - see above) I will say Norwich, Aberdeen, Inverness and Southend among others.

[Yeah Whatever]

well dwlpl, like flybe then do you?

[lagerlout]

kind of sorry i asked now ^^^^^ ???

What have the flybe loads been like??

[dwlpl]

The official figures show that flyBE carried 6357 pax on the Liverpool/Belfast City route from when it began to fly the route on 10th February.

EasyJet figures fell by just over 1200 in February (with one day less due to the leap year) on the Liverpool/Belfast Int route.

[point5]

I flew LPL-EDI last Wednesday with flybe. Only 14 pax. I think they need to reschedule this flight like they are doing GLA and have an early morning and evening rotation.

[Mouser]

Liverpool gets Ibiza three times a week Sun, Tues, Weds, early morning departures, and as all Ezy based a/c are busy could this be another based a/c on the way.

[dwlpl]

Did a quick check and all other flights around the time of the new Ibiza flights from Liverpool appear to be still available.

If thats the case there must be another aircraft on its way to be based.

[dwlpl]

After todays ordering of Embraer 195 aircraft, flyBE are talking about what it hopes to do (not in any great detail yet) through Liverpool.

Here is a quote taken today from tonights press http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200businessnews/tm_objectid=15597797%26method=full%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

".....the new Embraer fleet will allow the airline to operate international routes from Liverpool, requiring up to five planes to be based here.

The domestic routes will be served by the turbo props and the jets will link Liverpool to France, Portugal, Spain and the Mediterranean.

We will announce the new routes early in 2006 and they will start in August or September, when the first planes are delivered.

That will allow us to double passengers through Liverpool to one million, which will create 1,000 local jobs."

[10 DME ARC]

Easy IBZ I think you will find will be done by cancelling other routes or subing routes from other bases.

[MerchantVenturer]

Either the Flybe press release (see extract below) has inadvertently omitted LPL or they have changed their mind since issuing it. :confused:

Flybe will take delivery of its first 195 in Autumn 2006. These planes will initially be deployed at Flybe’s major bases in Birmingham, Southampton, Belfast, Exeter, Jersey, Guernsey, Edinburgh and Glasgow. The delivery of these firm orders will mean that Flybe will have a total fleet size of between 59 (firm) and 91 (including options) aircraft by 2009.

[dwlpl]

The press release in the Liverpool Echo is quoting Mike Rutter Marketing Director of flyBE.

[dwlpl]

Total passenger through Liverpool in May 2005 432,497, up 46% on May 2004.

Total for first five months of 2005 is 1,545,683, up 25% on same period in 2004.

[Slim20]

At the moment there is an early weekday EZY rotation of BFS and back twice. I think they will either chop one BFS trip and use it on the IBZ, with the weekend rotations taken from the loss of the Berlin (SXF) and GVA. (These now originate from SXF and GVA and are not operated by LPL based a/c, and spotters will have noticed the SXF/GVA are all Airbus 319s).

Otherwise the IBZ will be operated by other bases anyway as its only running July-September.

[Mouser]

Reported in the Liverpool Daily Post this morning, flights between Liverpool and New York could be in place as early as next summer. Officials from LJLA are to meet with a number of potential airlines as confidence grows that the service could prove a huge winner, umm! we'll see.

[Cheers Buddy]

Has anyone heard that Eastern Airways are looking to start LPL-IOM? If true presumably to compete with Euromanx and ressurrect a two carrier operation on the route which was vacated by Emerald. Could anyone alaborate on this??
Cheers

[supersnake]

as it happens i have heard the same thing it is rumoured to be starting in september the iom needs a reliable carrier as a former pilot who flew many times out of liverpool would love to pass through again on time

[Goose82]

4 new Ryanair Routes i see

Riga - Latvia
Torp (Oslo) - Norway
Carcassonne - France
Bergerac - France

[conradmueller]

When is EZY opening bookings for the Cologne route.
Seen myself, that it is going good now. For a few months already EZY has overtaken HLX on the MAN-CGN route.
When I fly average about 82% load-factors.

[conradmueller]

Bookings for LPL - CGN in the winter are now possible.:D

[dwlpl]

..... the Saturday flight stops further into the winter period.

I think it did the same last winter.

[dwlpl]

Nexus Airways is launching its scheduled services today from Liverpool. Flights will start from November1st 2005.

It is to serve the Canary Islands with 2*flights per week to Tenerife, 1*flight per week each to Gran Canaria, Fuerteventura and Lanzarote.

Scheduled times are:

Tenerife South
Tuesdays dep LPL 1415 arr TFS 1845, dep TFS 0900 arr LPL 1325

Fridays dep LPL 1315 arr TFS 1745, dep TFS 0800 arr LPL 1225

Las Palmas
Mondays dep LPL 1820 arr LPA 2245, dep LPA 1310 arr LPL 1735

Fuerteventura
Wednesdays dep LPL 1410 arr FUE 1830, dep FUE 0900 arr LPL 1320

Lanzarote
Thursdays dep LPL 1410 arr ACE 1830, dep ACE 0900 arr LPL 1320

[Yak97]

I wonder who's going to be operating these flights?

I noted from their website that there are no flight numbers displayed. So I wonder if they've got the slots?

Range for a 737-400? LPL-TFS marginal??

[dwlpl]

Futura will be leasing its aircraft to Nexus.

[GrahamK]

737-400 should be fine for LPL-TFS, flown on a Futura 734 from NCL nonstop to TFS and thats a little bit further

[dwlpl]

Liverpool handled 443,271 in July 2005, up by more than 34% on July 2004.

The airport expects to break the 4million (rolling year) passenger mark within the next two months.

[Vampy]

A delegation from Delta Airlines were being shown around this week apparently. Any news how this went?

[dwlpl]

Liverpool have also received an American Airlines delegation recently as well.

[Vampy]

So which airline do we think will be the first trans-Atlantic non-stop service from Liverpool then? Continental, AA or Delta? My money would be on Continental.........I wonder when it will start........:hmm:

[dwlpl]

Cannot see it being Continental either moving one its two flights from MAN or operating a third flight to New York (the most likely US desination) from NW England.

I read recently that the airport would expect the route to have at least 100,000 pax per annum to New York if an airline would open up the route.

[point5]

My moneys on 'hooters' with a daily 757 service!

[CandyBender]

The Nexus phone line advertised on their website is forever engaged, so I guess advance bookings must be excellent :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: