PNG Ples Bilong Tok Tok

[tinpis]

Even Hellydore Von tschushnick would shake his head in wonder when a Baron with Loopy in it would appear out of the glue into the Hagen circuit.
:}



Spelling Tinpis!!!

It was Captain Helidore Otmar Baron Von Tschuchnigg. Or "Who vill pay for ziss" to his colleagues!!

[the wizard of auz]

hey assdragger. yupla been listening to Ozex?. empla tok allasame pek pek bilong bullmacow. that was long POM. :)
Long live Lomotil.

[Taildragger]

Auz....WHAT was long POM.??

[wishtobflying]

sloppyporij i bin tok olsem long stori bilong em:

Tok Tok Clickety clock bling bling
Wots with this garbage thats been at the top of the page 4 months?? It pi$$es me of!!!

when are qantas getting the 787s?

Mi answerim olsem ("answerim" - susak pisin, yu save):

Wanpela wialus mangi i bin dringim planti tumas spak wara, o spak simuk, na em i ting olsem em bai raitim guuuuutpela samting tumas. Tasol .... em i spak ya!, NOgat gutpela tingting, mangi ya mas sindaun, slip i stap, bihain em bai no moa spak na em bai tingim gut, harim tok!

Yumi ol wantok bai lap nogut tru long dispela pasin bilong ol spak mangi ya. Tru. Maski long em, yumi tok pisin wantaim na kungrutim em stret ya!

Mi ting sapos liklik spak mangi ya tingim gut em bai rausim dispela stori bilong em, na bihain yumi no inap ritim, a ting mi mas raitim liklik samtin long stori "PNG Ples bilong Tok Tok" tu, yu ting olsem ol wantok bilong mi?

Catchup bihain, stap gut olgeta.

[the wizard of auz]

Sorry taily, Mi ting yu harim tok wontok bilong mi nam Ozex. Wunpla na mipla gottim gutpla tail bilong bihain lobsta long POM, tasol mi ting em nogut na makim mipla planty sik. Mi planty pek pek tomas for two friggen weeks after.
and the meri's............. well, thats a whole other story. :)
lookim yu bihain. :)

[poteroo]

A great story about Len was that he once lost the Administrator + wife from a charter in a STOL 310 - somewhere about mid 60's I think. Rumour has it that his hot start procedure was so graphic that the VIP pax decided to abandon ship, with the Administrator declaring you lot are bloody dangerous and I'll be taking this up with management, rant ,rant......Needless to say - nothing happened.

I also remember another Len story regards one of STOL's Aztecs - COB I think, which was rumoured to have a very 'tricky' crossfeed. Len reportedly had been doing a bit of crossfeed practice, and inadvertantly shutdown one donk somewhere over the hills - flew the remaining hour back to POM on one. Pax were very impressed apparently.

Pilots were in short supply there in the 60's, and Loopy continued on undaunted. He was a bit unconventional, but a bloody effective PNG operator. Can still picture him.

happy days

[OzExpat]

G'day Sharpie, I haven't seen Loopy in ages. That's not to say that he isn't still around - after all, where else would he be happy eh? ;) Not even sure of the status of the PM Department's balus these days but, being as how I haven't had an excuse to burgle the hangar in the last couple of years, any information I have would be quite dated. I've heard a rumour (oh noooo, not one of THOSE! :E ), that there might be a new Kumul 1 in the offing sometime this year, so there's a good chance that the Unit still exists. And, if so, there's every chance that Loopy's still be there too.

Oi Wiz, howz that really young bird doing these days? I'm sure that she's counting the hours until you return! :p

On past performance, I'm sure that the firebugs will wait until the new Daru terminal is completed before they run the same fire-resistance test!

[tinpis]

And Bernie Ozex?.....of Bernies Mendi fish 'n chips fame and Mendi rodeo.


edit to spell Mendi :hmm:

[OzExpat]

Yeah Tinnie, Bernie is still here. Saw him early December while escorting Wiz around the airport. He (Bernie, that is) had somehow managed to lock himself in the GFU admin office. :}

[the wizard of auz]

Hehehe, I remember that. that was pretty funny and a bit of comic relief after that previous evenings events. :}


To all that requested the Mike Thomas cd copies, they were all posted on thursday evening (except two, and you two have PMs) so you should watch your mail box.

[Escondido99]

Read all 38 pages, for me some wonderfull memories,TAL58/59, TAA 60/63
Cessnas Otter et al. Best five years of 40 in aviation, Regards Bill Sherwood snr

[Woomera]

Bill

Welcome to hap bilong ol lapun!!! You'll find many of your old wantoks here. Grab a beer, pull up a stool and swap a few war stories - the taller the story, the better!

I nodded in passing but regret not chatting with you longer at the Talair reunion. And most of all, I regret not taking the opportunity for a group photo of the past Chief Pilots - yourself, "Biggles" Sinclair, "Pants" Parker, etc (was Billy Johns there - I can't remember?)

Do you recall if anyone took a collective photo of past Chief Pilots as I would really like to obtain a copy?

'58/'59 eh? You know DHA84 VH-AON is rumoured to be back in the air? Perhaps you were in Goroka when it was ferried to Australia for the last time in August 1959 (?) by Dick Cresswell?

[18-Wheeler]

Read all 38 pages, for me some wonderfull memories,TAL58/59, TAA 60/63
Cessnas Otter et al. Best five years of 40 in aviation, Regards Bill Sherwood snr


Hello senior.
Bill junior.
:)

[Taildragger]

Hey Wiz.....don't know what you are smoking Wantok, but I WANT SOME.
Sori tumas long Pek Pek warra bilong you.
Taildragger (The original) :ok:

[Sharpie]

I recall way back when the dreaded Pangapas (PNG Air Pilots Association) were having a wee bit of trouble with Bryan Gray and his mate Bruce The Crafty, of 'The Cloak of Many Colours' fame, over a pay rise for 707 draiva's and other things. The pilot group had Croft's AFAP successor, Len Coysh up from 138 Albert Street, South Melbourne to assist.

After a day or so, attitudes of both parties hardened somewhat and there appeared to be little room left to make headway. After negotiations one day, the pilots reformed at the Ela Beach Hotel to study their plans for the following day over a few and a few more products from the dreaded SP tree!

Tempers were slowly rising when as king Fed I was called to the phone to find Bryan Grey on 'tother end inviting all the pilots up to his manager's residence to partake in a few convivial ales. Needless to say, Val, Bill, Len and they boys followed Sharpie up the hill, willing to do battle if need be.

We found god Bryan with Bruce the Crafty there along with others of Bryan's team, O.P Evans, Paul Bolger, Brian Costello to name a few.

We quickly joined in, standing around the pool, having a few coldies. Needless to say, Sharpie was first in the pool, clothes and all.(Not before losing substantial skin from elbows and knees) Then it was on for young and old, pilots grappling with senior managers who were dragged and tossed in.

Costello and Bolger hid in their car, doors locked and aircon on. We tried to flush them out by stuffing wet socks up ther pipe but reving the engine, these were blown out.

Bruce The Crafty of the Cloak of Many Colours, pleaded not to be throw in fully dressed as he had another appointment later. I quietly waited until he undressed to his briefs and after the troops threw him in, his pile of clothes followed.
What a night. I am quite sure that Bryan's idea of getting us up to his house that day saved the airline and country a substantial amount of money as the verbal agreements made dripping wet, were confirmed in writing the following day.
One another item. Sharpie holds another PNG record that I doubt will ever ever be repeated or broken.
Sharpie was the only member to be voted 'life membership' of PNGAPA! AND,
the only member to be voted out of 'life membership'.:)

[the wizard of auz]

fair suck of the sav taily. I'm still learning it.:} :eek:

[Animalclub]

The dreaded Gray residence parties... I DON'T remember them well.

[Pinky the pilot]

Sharpie holds another PNG record that I doubt will ever be repeated or broken.......
OK Sharpie; Please don't leave us all in suspense. What's the story behind that one???
And likewise with the Wiz, TailieI'm still trying to (re)learn it!!

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[Minosavy Masta]

Bloody Hell Sharpie..........nothing wrong with your memory bank.....cripes I had forgoten all about that little event......seems some of the modern "Gods" and 'Gladiators" could take a lesson in Industrial negotiations.....would tempt me to get involved again .....On second thoughts maybe Minosavvy is now considered a Lapoon Tru !!....btw I think the Ella Beach hotel was then known as the "Davara" Cheers Mate ;):ok:

[Chimbu chuckles]

Well I certainly remember voting you out Sharpie:E

But to put your mind at ease, a little, we never apparently actually got around to writing to IFALPA and informing them...or so I was told recently by the ex President of PNGALPA...you remember him...the clever chap with the lightening wit and repartee...the fella who you so ably assisted to leave PX without the drama and added expense of pay in lieu of notice etc...he really appreciated your assistance in that matter...we laugh about it to this day :ok:

Chuckles:}

Pinky it aint for this BB....unless of course Sharpie would like to enlighten us on his take on those far off events...suffice to say emotions were high:uhoh:

[Pinky the pilot]

Chuckles suffice to say emotions were highWere'nt they always that way in the 'Land of the unexpected' in those situations?
What never failed to impress me when I was a regular at the 'Club Dero' was how stories of past events always seemed to be related without rancour or bitterness even when things were obviously somewhat nasty at the time.
I always gained the impression that the teller of these stories had the attitude that......."It was a bit nasty at the time but it was ages ago and jeez, it was fun!!":ok:
A time past, in more ways than one.

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[the wizard of auz]

Sorta like getting the pox :}

[tinpis]

Heres a nice photo I found taken at Jacksons in 1968 .
Is that one of STOLS Helios in the background?

http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/aircraft%20images/Piaggio%20P166%20VH-CAC%20@%20Moresby.JPG

[poteroo]

That's the DCA Piaggio in front, and the Helio is probably the one that Helicopter Utilities/Airfast owned. Herbie Ray used to fly it about when maintaining their fleet of choppers - then mostly Bell 47's.

I think the Helio was a 295 engined model. It was quite a performer.

happy days,

[tinpis]

There is a terribly funny story (probably untrue) about the chap standing in this photo and the Moresby ATIS :)

http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/facilities%20images/Port%20Moresby%20TWR%20int.jpg

[Escondido99]

Woomera , At the reunion I was with Gerd Franks, and Neil Williams,
There was isolated shots taken but no one, appeared to get group shots.
Re the Dragon, I mentioned it in the Spencer Books, but to my memory
it was still there when I went to Lae in mid 60. It was very stark, the fuse
was upright against the hangar wall , the wings beside it. No idea where
the gear and engines were.Bill Johns was at the reunion, had a short talk with him. My son had a short time in Moresby, on the Citation that was
on lease to MBA, and I gather is still there but now operating by itself.
Before arriving in PNG I was a friend of Noel Peacock that early in the 50s
had a bad one in a Dragon on the ridges to the west of goroka, he was shipped south for medical attention, he ended up flying in Canada on the
Dew line Radar instalation. It could have been AOG that he was in, will contact him and get the facts. Bill S

[Woomera]

And Sharpie, I know why! :}

[TwoDogs]

Ah, Tinpis, a piccie of my old office. Enup to bring a tear to a glass eye. Bet it hasn't changed much either.... so tell me the story?

[Woomera]

Escondido99. A correction. VH-AON was ferried south in August 1959 (?) by Dick Cresswell. It was at Airworld at Wangaratta for many years (sporting a "Puff the Magic Dragon" insignia) but has since been sold to someone in Victoria and I believe is now back in the air. The relic in the hangar was, from memory, VH-AAC which was pranged at Slate Creek (near Wau) in January 1951, bought in damaged condition by Ray Harris and Jim Smith and never flew again, and is buried somewhere at the Goroka tip, along with the Fox Moth and the Meserschmitt three wheeler. If it was AAC, it started life as G-AAAC, the first Royal Flight aircraft in 1934 and was pranged at Slate Creek (near Wau) in January 1951.

AON was a DHA84 (Australian built), whilst AAC was a DH84 (UK built).

Noel Peacock pranged a Dragon near the old Chimbu strip and took many months to recover. I tried to trace him 25 years ago but think he may have changed his name? The aircraft may have been VH-APL, which pranged at Chimbu September 1952?

Tinpis. My guess that Helio Courier is/was VH/P2-BOX? Last seen by me some years ago outside Yorkie's hangar. I may be wrong, but isn't that Pig at the Museum at Caloundra?

[OzExpat]

Sorta like getting the pox :}
I'm always pleased when wiz speaks from his VAST personal experience!:p

[the wizard of auz]

Thats one experiance I haven't had. now I do know a few that have though. :\ From what I have been told, Its a lot more fun getting it than having it.

[Taildragger]

Looks like P2-Box to me woom, part of The Obscene Airways Group, consisting of P2-BOX, P2-COC and P2-TIT. And please, don't ruin my evening by mentioning Yorkie. :*

[Chimbu chuckles]

Yeah looks like BOX to me too...after Yorke had refurbished it he asked me to test fly it and then demonstrate it to potential buyers...which I did...was eventually bought be a Taswegian sheep 'farmer'. I taught him to fly it and then he headed off in it back to Taswegia. I have no idea what the Oz rego ended up being and heard years later he had pranged it in one of his paddocks.

Mighty interesting aeroplane to fly that one...truly a 'go anywhere' aeroplane in the right hands...if not a huge load hauler.

Chuck.

[OzExpat]

don't ruin my evening by mentioning Yorkie
He's the late Yorkie now, taily.

[Woomera]

Wantoks, mates ..... and a few others ...... lift your SP Brownies to a truly great thread!!

20 pages, 783 posts, 43,375 page view!!

The time has come to slip the bonds of a stickied thread and let the thread float on it's merit. Feel free to continue to post to keep the thread alive, but if it should pass, like a recycled Bownie at the Dero toilets, in due course when you've all dreamed up more lies, I'll start a new thread.

Or you are welcome to do so!

Woomera

HELP!!! Bloody new software - anyone know how to Unstick a thread?????

[Fris B. Fairing]

Woomera
The Pig in the Queensland Air Museum at Caloundra is the former Comalco aircraft VH-BHK. It was originally painted in a blue and white scheme similar to DCA's VH-CAC. The blue on VH-BHK was later replaced by pink (a Pink Pig!) so someone at Comalco had a sense of humour. BHK now wears the livery of Queensland Airlines' P166B VH-PQA which ended its days on the Tulla fire dump. CAC ended her days at Bankstown when struck by a wayward Tobago in 1982.
Cheers

[Woomera]

Thanks Fris. I'd only noticed the Pig colours in passing at Caloundra and thought it may be ex DCA.

[Taildragger]

He's the late Yorkie now.

Ozex .....Not sure how to respond to that without speaking ill of those who have passed to the boiler room.! :E

[HANOI]

Wiz of Auz
CD of 'Tripela lik lik pik' and 'Lik lik redpela hat i kamup long arseday.
Tenkyu tumas:)

[Sharpie]

Chuck and Woomera,

I have no problem with whatever you put in pprune re the expulsion, though all I ask is that is is truthful, accurate and would stand adding to my book. I believe that the bad must be printed along with any good.
Cheers.:)

[Woomera]

".........though all I ask is that it is truthful, accurate and.........."

Jeezus Sharpie, 20 pages, 750 plus posts, all tall stories, blatant lies and BS and you - of all people - want to impose truth and accuracy!!!
:{

Besides, Woomera sets the rules here.............. :} :}

On present schedule the evening of Thursday, May 18, 2006 may find me in your house of ill repute seeking repayment of the cold ales you owe me! :ok:

Woomera

[Pinky the pilot]

Wiz; What HANOI said! :ok: Mine arrived Monday.:ok:

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[OzExpat]

Yeah taily, it's a bugga to have to be so considerate innit? As you know, I worked for the bloke and have the very same problem...

[TwoDogs]

Tinpis,
If that photo was taken in '68 it certainly wouldn't have been P2-BOX. I believe "obscene Airways" didn't eventuate til much later (was there a P2-BUM or P2-DIK too?).
I can remember the Helio-Courier being groundlooped in Hagen in the mid seventies but I think it was on a VH rego then, definitely not as P2-BOX

[Woomera]

Mid '70's - pre 1976?

Yup, probably was VH registered.

P2 regos began at Independance, 1976.

[TwoDogs]

Yep, '75 or '76. I think Moresby Aviation got hold of it after the loop and rebirthed it as BOX. If memory serves me correctly it was the first member of obscene airways fleet.

[tinpis]

The Photo was dated 1968.
I gotta funny feeling I was flying P2 reg planes after self gavmin 1973?

Remember it was Goof Whitless and his mob bought the whole show crashing down.
That makes two countries he stuffed Australia and PNG.

[Woomera]

Self Government 1973. Independence 1975.

First millionaire Politician 1977! :yuk:

(Edited cause me brain in going senile..... )

[tinpis]

First honest politician 200............?

[tinpis]

rausem antap:}

[Sexual Chocolate]

Most esteemed flyboys from the land of SP and blue eye: if I may be so bold as to request a translation:

'Nu you ting tas ol mi man bilong no'

bearing in mind, of course, that this came from someone who's pidgin is at best a little scratchy (though ultimately better than mine)

Cheers boys.

[tinpis]

Mi no savi

[Chimbu chuckles]

It probably should be...at least in part...Na yu tingim mi tasol man bilong no' ( I have no idea what no' is, it's not a word in Tok Pisin). This translates to "And you think I am just a man from (no')".

Hope that helps....but it doesn't sound like he knew what he was saying either.

Chuck

[OzExpat]

I can't make anything more out of it than Chuck. Methinks something is missing... was this phrase written or spoken? What was the general context that led to this phrase?

[Taildragger]

Ozex and Chuckles.!! I personally heard both of you talk like that most Friday nights at the Dero Bilong ****face pilit. In fact it deteriorated into
Tok Mumble and I and others would mumble back and everybody was mumbling to everybody else. It made perfect sense to me at the time.....cerianly more sense than when we were sober. :}

[Sexual Chocolate]

Thanks gents though never mind - as i'd expected, best just to put this down as the ravings of a mad lunatic and leave it at that.

[Woomera]

Chuck seems to be about the closest to the money, although the expression makes little sense:

'Nu you ting tas ol mi man bilong no'

Perhaps should be: Nau yu tingting tasol mi mun bilong ...(no....

Translates to: Now, you think I'm only a man from ...(no)...

[Sharpie]

Hey Chuck!

I thought that I always had the individual's interests at heart, providing a golden handshake as they departed. Except of course for a couple of really naughty boys, one who commandered the boss's plane to take a few mates flying on the 7th day and after consuming a carton from the dreaded SP tree, used the empty containers to dive bomb picnic parties along a beach.

[Sharpie]

I recall that when PNG natives were permitted to legally consume alcoholic beverages, various religious groups had posters up everywhere displaying a big hand holding a glass of SP beer! with the words,

"Say NO!"

On the day they could legally drink, many a lad fronted a bar asking for a 'Glass Of NO!"
:D

[Taildragger]

Chuck....
GREEN label you said you were on.?? Whatever it is....I want some. :ok:

[Sharpie]

Ah Chuckles,

Those WERE the days and some poor bastid had to do some bad things. The departure of one lad may have contributed to his longevity. Recall the damage to a couple of busloads of staffers; guys beaten within inches of their life, females raped and very lucky no one was killed. Many were sent to Cairns for Psycho counselling.

I recall one pilot returning home one evening years ago with his wife and as they reached the front door, THRUMP!! a bluddy great spear passed between their heads to lodge in the door. For some unknown reason they departed not long after. The pilot did return some years later but only lasted a very short time before leaving for good.

Your story reads far better than my diary and I think that I'll use yours as the basis for inclusion in the book. I will give you credit.

Hand grenades(fragment, smoke or stun?) was at Buka after we were allowed to return under RPNGC and PNGDF control. No Xray machines in Buka, eyes tasol and one solitary T/O to do the job of three. We had to rely on crew to be observant and to this day, I belive that no such grenades were carried on board.

The other incident was at Mt Hagen when we were trying to lock up a pollie's security guard after charging him for obstruction, assault and carrying a dangerous weapon(handgun). The skipper flatly refused to testify what he had observed but luckily we had the hostie(more balls than the capt) and an off duty pilot in the cabin. Very sadly, we failed with the prison sentence but the guard was fined K2,500. A first in PNG for some time.

What about the skipper who took over the PM's flight to Jakarta from Darwin and then returned to POM with the aircraft still laden with the 18 pollies personal effects and more embarassingly, PNG's gift to the Indon President.

In reply to my query, the skipper said that it was not his job to look in cargo holds to see if thery were emptied. That cost the country and company plenty.

Yes, Chuckles, terrific days that as Percy Chatterton once said, days that I have loved, and I would not miss it for quids. If I did it again, I think that I would have to be less lenient on the spivs, miscreants and bludgers amongst a band of very fine people.

[Chimbu chuckles]

In reply to my query, the skipper said that it was not his job to look in cargo holds to see if thery were emptied. That cost the country and company plenty.

I do remember that...cannot remember who but given the nature of the flight I guess he was senior...seems strange when we were always looking in the holds to check when some errant T/O officer said they were empty...before departing Mt Hagen:}

Or what about the time when someone VERY senior in my day was not quite so...something about jumping the chocks with pikinin bilong Mrs Queen on board....now that was funny.:ok:

BTW you took my last post with remarkable good grace:ok:

Note to self: Waigani Swamp is dead..Sharpie doesn't like that game anymore....email Mountain Man with news:sad: :E :ok:

[Torres]

Geeze Chuck - that's nothing!! You should hear the words of fond affection Junior had for Sharpie when he was the Union delegate around 30 years ago!!! :} :}

It's all water under the bridge now!! On to another important subject!!

Got a letter today from the great man himself, Paul Bolger who is organising the 2006 P.N.G. Reunion. It is on Saturday, June 10, 2006 (Queen's Birthday Long Weekend) at the Southport R.S.L.

Cost is a very reasonable $39.00 per person and there are a number of very reasonable hotel packages available. Souvenir Reunion Polo Shirts are also available at $35.00 each.

Anyone interested in details or attending, send me a PM or email and I'll give you Bolge's contact details.

Numbers are limited and early registrations are highly recommended.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Dennis?...piiifffttt...a mere babe in the woods...ya should heard what Dick Holt's widow had to say three years ago down on the coast..what a charming old lady....and such an astute judge:} :E :ok:

[Sharpie]

Yes Chuckles,

Must be mellowing, but I am a little concerned at your retention of facts and wonder just how much written is actually in error!

The Chock jumping episode was carried out by bongo with the Pope on board. First the nose wheel followed by a main as he desperately steered away from impacting a walkway! But the best part was still to happen. On arrival at HGU, bongo could not start the apu and had to keep No 2 running, thereby very successfully drowning out the Pope's address to thousand of welcomers. Sad, as being a devout popie, bongo was very keen to make a good impression to facilitate his future pathway above.

The Jakarta episode should not have happened as I had rostered a national crew to fly Bill Skate and party, but somwhere along the way, CNS based crew got in the act and an ex raaf type had the system changed and he flew the flight. I tried to Hammer it in that changes for the better may not actually be so.

[Taildragger]

Sharpie/Chuckles .....

What I love about you two, is that you BOTH bite.!! Fishing is a piece os wossname with you guys around.
Now, Sharpie, you say that the JKT incident should not have happened.
Bloody right it shouldn't have.! As I recall, it was around 600kg of non Loadsheeted deadload that was on board, but what really really hacks me of about that incident apart from all the Diplomatic Pek Pek flying around, was that there was a Moresby T/O on board to look after precisely all this stuff.
The little sod was too lazy to go downstairs and look in the lockers, or to Liaise with his Indo mates.
Mind you, it was all of 8/9 steps. I suppose the Skip can be blamed for everything, but then, why roster people who's job it really is, to travel with the aircraft. Might as well go to the heart of the matter and blame the crew.!! Now, back to the entertainment....Sharpie v Chuckles. :hmm:

[tinpis]

600 kg of what ..?......buai..? :hmm:

[Chimbu chuckles]

I might have got the Bongo story a little wrong (the pax identity only) because it happened a decade or two before I got there....just a funny story from the PX folklore.....the rest of it either happened to me or good mates of mine.

I thought that I always had the individual's interests at heart, providing a golden handshake as they departed.

A largish number of ex PX pilots hold a different view....it's no use trying too rewrite history....there were to many witnesses.

I started to write a post of truly Mountain Man proportions...but then changed my mind...it just is not worth it and not in the spirit of this thread...and for the same reason removed my previous post.

I look forward to reading your latest effort as a fiction writer:ok:

[2 Dogs]

...Sharpie, is it true that the skipper concerned also had the gall to take a stroll down the back to ask for the potentates autograph. Did he get it?

[Sharpie]

Woofwoof! The autograph would not surprise me as his wife did all the gentleman's washing just a few houses down from me at the papal annunciature where he was staying.

[Sharpie]

Hey Charles,

You should know more so than me that old saying, "Why let truth get in the way of a good story". At least I may put it all out and take brickbats along with any kudo's.

Why do you not do the same?

[Sharpie]

It probably should be...at least in part...Na yu tingim mi tasol man bilong no' ( I have no idea what no' is, it's not a word in Tok Pisin). This translates to "And you think I am just a man from (no')".
Hope that helps....but it doesn't sound like he knew what he was saying either.
Chuck

Sexual Chocolate:

You should try and get your friend to complete the sentence so we can decifer it a bit better.

As far as Chuck dissertion above, "...it's not a word in Tok Pisin", Melanesian Pidgin does list the pidgin word 'no'

No ken smok - No.
I no gat man - Nobody
No gat - No.

Quite often 'no gat' is run together as one word nogat, or noken.

Not being terribly fluent in the vernacular, I had to resort to again reading Father Mihalic-SVD, book on the subject.

I hope it helps a wee bit.

[Chimbu chuckles]

That's right Pete...after all those years in PNG I never heard them say no:ugh: ...I heard nogat, noken and minosavi plenty...but you keep picking away at the minutae:ok:

[Animalclub]

Chimbu... refer to previous posts regarding the locals starting to imbibe. They initially asked for a glass of "No".!!!!

[Chimbu chuckles]

Refer to my previous post dripping with sarcasm.

Perhaps I should have said, in the first 'no' post, that I had never heard of no being used in that way...and I certainly wasn't thinking about 'no' being used as it is used in English because you virtually never hear them say just no without it being attached to something else....as essentially part of word....nogat etc.

But that is fine...Sharpie can use it to make himself look a little clever at my expense...at least I could make myself understood most anywhere in PNG even now, let alone when I was fluent in Tok Pisin years ago....as opposed to the Tok Masta that Sharpie passes off as a language.

Remember Pete....LOTS of people with long memories...we didn't vote, almost unanimously, your life membership in PNGALPA away for grins.:ok:

[Sharpie]

:ooh: No problems me ol' china! good to see that you are as fallible as us mere mortals.

[Sharpie]

Taildragger,

The hairyassed T/O may haver been too lazy, I do not know, but the skipper who signs the loadsheet is the one who will end up in court if the proverbial hits the fan. Not the hato.
I suppose we could say that the BKK overrun was caused by manufacturers of brakes or reversers, or if you ran out of fuel, we should blame the refueler for not adding a bit extra for mum and the kids, or we blame the Titanic helmsman. I am afraid that usually the guy in charge with four gold bars has the responsibility, renumeration to ensure that the job gets done.

[Taildragger]

Sharpie....
So who was it that they blamed for the Paris DC10 accident.?? The Skipper.?? No..it was an illiterate Algerian Cargo handler who forcibly shut the door to the Stbd Rear locker. If we take your premise to its logical conclusion, what is the point of having the said Hairy wossnamed T/O on board.....don't answer that.! :*

Chuck... Are you sure you never heard No.? Word has it that there are a few Meris out there that found even your charms not to their liking. :}

[Sexual Chocolate]

Gidday guys. Hopefully this question should be a little easier to answer than my last.....

Waz wondering if there's anyone out there who's familiar with / has recently sat the PNG air law exam? Expect i'll be in POM and sitting in the next month or so - employer seems pretty relaxed about things and said not to worry about study / preparation. Anyone able to confirm?

[Sexual Chocolate]

PS: CPL, not ATPL (if there's any difference)

PPS: To clarify slightly, will have 2 - 3 day layover in POM in order to get familiar with Regs before sitting test. So some time has been set aside for prep work, just not as much as I would have thought you'd need to get up to speed for said exam.:)

[777tinpis]

[QUOTE]'Nu you ting tas ol mi man bilong no'

Was just reading this the other day guys and thought that since the first word in the sentence is wrong and should be 'Na' maybe the last word in the sentence should be 'ol' good chance sexual chocolate could have heard it wrong.
translation: 'And you think i am just one of them'
seems to make more sense written that way, just throwing in my toeas worth.:)
great thread by the way good to see so many ex/current png pilots out there:ok:

[the wizard of auz]

Sexy chocolate, check your PMs.

[OzExpat]

Chuck... Are you sure you never heard No.? Word has it that there are a few Meris out there that found even your charms not to their liking. :}
Hold the phone!:eek: Wotsis all about then? I don't care how ugly Chuck is, there's no chance that ANY meri would reject him, or any expat for that matter. ;)

If you don't believe me, just as Wiz! :}

[Taildragger]

Ya Oz....you are right...don't even have to speak. A small "Pssst" should see it OK. Nobody seems to have spotted my deliberate mistake re the DC10 rear locker. It was the Port one not the Stbd one. :bored:

[dwarfhunter]

Not sure about CPL, ATPL airlaw is 40 questions closed book. Questions taken from the ACT, CAR's (Similar to US FAR) some parts of old AIP and the AGA section of AIP(CAO no longer exists).
Hope this helps, could find out about CPL next week for you.

[Pinky the pilot]

no chance that any meri would reject him, or any expat for that matter

Hmm, did'nt take long to get back to this subject, did it? Actually Ozmate I do know of one instance where a rejection did happen to an expat. Not that the rejected person really cared 'though given what he found out not much later about the young lady's boyfriend!!:eek:

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[...still single]

S. Choccy,
www.casr.gov.pg has everything you need to prepare for the exam. Exam guides, sample questions and of course, the actual rules that you will be examined on.
Download everything, it's all pdf, can do word searches on it. Great way to find stuff in the rules.
Concentrate on pedantic stuff like "How long can you go for without filling in your log book?"

[OzExpat]

Yeah taily, I hear ya. I'm sure that everyone in this particularly august (or september?) group would've spotted the difference between the port and starboard rear locker on that DC10! :}

And, yep, the only way a bloke ain't gunna get laid around here is if he's gay... or already dead and buried! ;)

[Chimbu chuckles]

Since when has Gay been a limiting factor in PNG? There must be some reason why so many expat pedophiles are attracted to the place....given the stastistics starting to emerg on AIDS in PNG that may well be a self correcting phenomenon though.

As for the local lasses....well gentlemen don't tell:}

[Taildragger]

In the words of that Garth Brooks song .... "You can make a dead man come"
And Chuckles.... a gentleman you are not. I have the pictures and the negatives. :)

[Chimbu chuckles]

:eek: :ouch: :{ :}

Well there were two Miss PNGs and several PX flight attendants...one or two from the yachty disco attracted by the time honoured "Psssttt!" and flicking a stubby cap at them....ok more than one or two....guess you're right:ok:

And as for the ugly comments. Hello Pot...this is kettle, come in Pot.

Chuckles.

[john_tullamarine]

... oh dear ...

[tinpis]

Someone mentioned the "Davarra"
Geez you sure felt successful if Dennis shouted you a night there.
The best lookin ever Tolai/Chinese/German sheila worked at the desk.

I still wouldnt have with yours Chuck http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/cannibal.gif

You and taily is bad men

[Chimbu chuckles]

Both the Miss PNGs were very well spoken, pretty mixed race girls...the Px trolleys were also mixed and lovely..girlfriends not one nighters. One is married with kids in Oz and I still call from time to time for a chat...under slightly different circumstances she might have become the second Mrs Chimbu...an opportunity I think we both regret missing.

Re the Yahty...always carefull and never woke up wanting to chew my arm off, never paid for it....PNG girls just take a slightly more pragmatic view of these things than western women...I was never THAT pi$$ed.....in truth I suspect I only ever did the 'psst' bottle top thing once or twice and then with girls I already knew well enough that they thought it funny too...and laughed like drains afterwards at the reaction of those standing around and not in on the joke:ok:

Although I saw it work equally well when used by a certain PX work mate who was REALLY drunk and somewhat less....selective.:}

Bad men went to the 6 mile settlement...I think I can speak for both taily and I when I say we NEVER did that.

The funniest story ever on this subject was when an old mate 'picked up' on Ela beach on the way home from work....and stood hosing her down on the rear deck of his boat in full uniform and in plain sight of the assembled Yachty patrons before talking her below decks:ok:

Fun times:ok:

[Pinky the pilot]

Chuckles; I'm aghast!! Shocked even!! I really thought that you were a 'gentleman of the old school.' Two Miss PNGs and several Flight Attendants? Ohmigawd!!!:eek: :eek:
I'm genuinely....................................Ah **** it, no I'm not!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm jealous!!!! All I ever got was a once a week hug from a (former) Miss PNG!
There are those who have it, and those who don't!

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[Animalclub]

I never stood a chance with the ex Miss PNG's and flight attendants I know/knew. How could I when they called me "Uncle"!!!

[Shady Rest]

Sexual chocolate………….I guess that means you like the dark stuff or are you planning on being a little “SHADY” again.
Don’t stress about the exam, the boys up there will help you pass it

[Chimbu chuckles]

Ahhh Animalclub....just like Dicky Doyle's daughters from Witu Is...I could never stop them calling me 'Uncle Chuck'...even after they was all growd up.:ok:

[Taildragger]

As long as they don't call you da da bilong mi.

[the wizard of auz]

or even worse, Papa bilong mi. :}
hey Ozex, you don't know how to return Sms's? or did the notorius phone system charge me for sending it and then gobble it up?.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Unce upon a time, I spent a couple of weeks in PNG.....

I spent alot of that time flying around in planes, but do you think they call me Sexual Chocolate, that guy who flys around in planes? I spent many nights hanging out at the yacht club and meeting the locals, but do you think they call me Sexual Chocolate, that friendly guy at the yacht club? Hell, I even arrived with gifts of duty free absolut, but do you think they call me Sexual Chocolate, the vodka guy?

Geeezus! You fcuk one chick at the Shady Rest Hotel.....

[Pinky the pilot]

Choccy As they say in the classics.....
That'll learn ya!!!!:} :E ;)
Forgotten whom is was that told me on my very first night in PNG;
Rule #1; Don't get caught!!:ok:
Think yourself lucky that you did'nt cop a nickname similar to a bloke I once knew. He was called "Three Pumps":{ :{

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[Taildragger]

Chocolate.... So you got your Black Wings.?? They would then call you
"Bikpela Man Choclit wit Clap Bilong em". He heh heh heh heh.
Join the Penicillin Club Bilong Peengee. :} :yuk:

[Animalclub]

Pinky
I knew a doctor in Rabaul by the name of Dr Threetools!!




edited after following posting!

[tinpis]

Animalclub he couldnt get that silly with one..? :hmm:

[Animalclub]

tinpis
His name was pronounced "Treblcoe" only it wasn't spelt that way!

[OzExpat]

Wiz... When you got your local sim card, I'm sure that I told you B-Mobile doesn't send or receive international SMS. :{ Domestic tasol. So, if you were charged for the message, it would've been done by your local service provider, in anticipation that the message would go through.

This is truly the land of the unexpected eh?

My problem right now is that I can't even make or receive phone calls coz my phone has gone to a Haus Sik in Brisbane. :sad:

[Taildragger]

Animalclub ...... wouldn't have been Dr. Trebilcock would it.??

[Animalclub]

Didn't know you were there in the early days Taildragger. You am correct.

[Taildragger]

Well Animalclub, you were there when stone axes were used and not just for sale to the tourists.:}

[Animalclub]

We were talking about Larry Daniels a few postings ago. Just received the following from Trevor Michie's PNG Gossip newsletter.

quote

** Luke Lucas **

Luke Lucas has the following contribution to the newsletter. It will be of interest to all Territorians and those that have high speed access to the Internet. Many people will remember Luke from the time when he was the PNG Electoral Commissioner and the owner of Agnes Cooking Pot in Boroko.

quote --
I just put two videos on my website under the heading "Videos" which feature all the songs by Larry Daniels, one time night club owner in Port Moresby. Songs such as; Kai kai the buai, Streets of Mt Hagen etc.

These files are not small but that's the only way I could get the music out.

Luke
-- end quote

If you are interested then the following URL's will be helpful --

http://lukesnewplace.com/streetsofmthagen.exe and
http://lukesnewplace.com/kaikaithebuai.exe

unquote

I have not tried it as I don't have broadband... life in the bush!!!

[Taildragger]

Ah youse poor colonials.!! No Broadband already.!! The files work fine....good stuff..brought back memories of Clockwork Orange taking the pish out of themselves.!! :} :}

[HANOI]

Does anyone have a copy of Pixie in-flight magazine " Paradise " issue number two ( 1976 ) that they would be prepared to part with , for a price ?.

[2 Dogs]

Hanoi,
Do you want it to complete a collection or for another reason. I have it but it is part of a complete set (up to I can't remember when...) and I couldn't break it up. "On loan" is a possibility.

[Woomera]

Hanoi. I have the complete sets in Brisvegas. Could loan only if you want to copy something.

[tinpis]

*Tipes Air Niugini into ebay search* :hmm: :}

[69s]

Just caught up with 10 pages of great posts. I went a bit cranky on this for a few months. Yorkie was my bestmate in Yugimi....he was a great guy if ya made the effort to get to know him! ! EXcellent engineer....still keep in touch with his family. His son Daniel was tragically killed in a car accident 3 years ago in Qld. A sad loss to Kerin and the girls.
Spent a lot of time in the hangar and BBQ'ing at their 9 mile home.
Yorkie was also a wonderful and generous friend to may folks!...did me and many, a lot of favors.....ones we can't return now.

A bit of history...P2-BOX I watched being repaired after another bent ass end. That also happened in West Oz pre 1974 ......based at Jandakot owned by a guy named Tim Russell...dunno who the pilot was. It arrived PNG (painted blue/white....not yellow) about '75/76.....may solve a small mystery
The "Tripela liklik pik na Liklik Retpela hat rebirth" just may have resurfaced after 30 years from this little wood duck. Credit to Supt. Mike Thomas. I still have the original 45's in their cover with the enclosed Pidgin and English printout of the story. Bought them in POM '74 or '75'. Perhaps they are the last copies around??
Best regards to all the expats ....I miss my home....cheers

[AussieO2]

P2-BOX is a different aircraft to the one you refer to. VH- FRB was the original reg for P2-BOX. Always been in PNG. VH-KTY is the one which had a couple of back breaking accidents. I have details, dates, etc. I dont think VH-KTY ever made it to PNG.

[69s]

Aussie02 howdy......the info I was given at the time by Yorkie is why I made the post. York said to me......'Dave you know this 'plane .....from Jandakot"
Yup was my reply.....belonged to TR.......rego KTY and he agreed.......so yet a further mystery!.........Hmmmmm.
Best rgds:confused:

[2 Dogs]

Aussio02,
Your version sounds more familiar than 69s's's's ....... I can certainly remember the callsign VH-FRB, lovingly referred to as F&*K Rat, B*stard.

[AussieO2]

VH-FRB Helio H-250 Courier MkII, c/n 2540 ex N6330V
Registered 27.01.1967 to Franciscan Mission, Aitape.
To P2-FRB 14.11.1974.
Crashed 28.05.1976 at Mount Hagen.
Restored and re-registered as P2-BOX (I do not have date), was with PNG Aviation Services P/L, Boroko.
Sold and registered to E. H. Mills, Gladstone, Tasmania as VH-LIW on 27.11.1990.

VH-KTY Helio H-295 Super Courier, c/n 1430 ex N6476V
Registered 16.07.1970 to P. T. Russell, Dalkeith, WA
Accident (broke back) 20.08.1970
Russell sold it to HDeH 24.09.1975 and so on until
31.03.1997, crashed at Lake Tilpa, NSW.

From memory, the super courier had a longer fuse and a small round window added. Airfast/Helicopter Utilities has 2 as well VH-UND and UNF.

Nice aircraft. Then they put a turbine in it and called it a Stallion.
Big customer was Air America. A 'nice' airline who operated in S/E Asia.

[2 Dogs]

Crashed 28.05.1976 at Mount Hagen

...and piloted at the time by a now, very senior "Connus" 767 driver :)

[Chimbu chuckles]

I demoed BOX to Hew Mills and then checked him out in the aircraft after he had paid Yorke for it...interesting fella....shall do a rego search and see if she still exists.

Search done...retired in QLD with aeroplane by the looks of it....think I'll write him a letter and organise a refresher:)

http://www.fototime.com/{27990AE8-D712-4331-ACC3-7C81BFD2C23F}/picture.JPG

P2-COC to the right....Obscene Airways:)

[Sharpie]

Greetings Chuckles!

Just to let you know that the old 'b' is still with it! went out last week and assisted as helmsman-navigator in the 200nm Manila-Boracay Yacht Race in a new Beneteau 36.7 managing to post a win in both IRC & PY divisions. Thought of you a few times when we needed a twinkle-toes on the foredeck but we managed. Next effort is the President's Cup Regatta on Subic Bay in April.:8

[Chimbu chuckles]

Yes from time to time I remember us racing your boat two up that day...was a shed load of fun.:ok:

[OzExpat]

That photo seems hauntingly familiar Chuck. Perhaps folks might also like to see the next photo in the same sequence?:}

http://www.fototime.com/4ED8DBCF1FC86BE/standard.jpg

[2 Dogs]

I sure do miss those PNG skies and sunsets :(

[Chimbu chuckles]

:p

I wondered where that photo came from...who's under the tail, me or Tony Gridley? If its an early 80s shot it could well be Tony when he flew it for his dad around the western province...if 1990 odd it will be me.

And the rest of the Obscene airways fleet...P2-TIT!!!

If I can get hold of Hew via snail mail I hopefully will get a couple more recent piccies of the old girl....maybe even another fly:ok:

Ahh the Old Dak...remember when for a short while it used to be ground run outside the old Dero by people who shall remain nameless:} ...until someone had a stack fire and everyone near ****!:E

[Ten80]

Back in late 1990 I remember a certain very Blonde B200 pilot who then worked for Hevilift having an altercation with a female tower controller around a billard table. Bottom line is the young not so sobber lady was punched in the face by the said pilot. We were very entertained by the ensuing events when she was on duty in the tower and he would start the B200 and 'broadcast' his intentions because she as sure as s**t was not going to give him a clearance or even respond to his radio calls, that's inbound as well as outbound. :zzz:

[tinpis]

Some folks in PNG liked to fool around in 185's :rolleyes:

Thought Id share a couple of pictures sent to me by Alky Malky


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/tinpis/DSC1304.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/tinpis/DSC1327.jpg

[tinpis]

Is PNGAir off the net?

[Chimbu chuckles]

Nope...still there...great piccies of the Harvards waterskiing....not that I ever would have been so irresponsible...especially not along the Bensbach river after dropping a load of stuff for Bromley;)

[tinpis]

Now now Chuck theres kids watching :\
But I knew a chick whos boyfriend hadda mate that usda scare the bejeezaz out of canoe paddlers on Lake Kutubu.
He said he reckoned he could ski faster if yer dabbed on the brakes:hmm:

Disclaimer: I know NOTHING ! kids do not try this with the bosses 185

[Chimbu chuckles]

I find myself pondering the statistical likelyhood of finding 4 mates, all current on Harvards, all good at aerobatics and skilled enough at waterskiing to be able to do it in formation...without a crapload of prior practice:E

tin the ex husband of my ex wife was of the opinion that 'brakes on' was deriguer.:ok:

[tinpis]

Har har ...can just imagine this guy running into a big cranky ol' hippotamususus :p


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/tinpis/picTomWaterskiing.jpg

[Taildragger]

Chuckles....
I pondered that too. Digital trickery perhaps. Example..in the film "The Aviator" there is a scene where there this an apron full of Constellations. In reality it was on aircraft, the Vern Raeburn one, digitally duplicated so that it appeared to be 10 or so aircraft. Dunno, but four Harvards in line abreast seems doubtful to me. Unless of course this ex Husband of your ex wifes, cousin brudda can confirm that he actually SAW the said four airccraft in Line abreast, and NOT having just rolled out the local dero club either.! :}

Chuck... The Picture of P2-TIT brought back memories too. Yorkie talked me into test flying the aircraft out of the hangar after he had engineered it for Ron Slaughter. It hadn't flown for lord knows how long....6/7 years at least and had been parked out in the sun for that time. He assured me it had been inspected to the highest standards.! After I had done some intense inspection of my own, I taxied out and saw the veranda of the Aero Club populated by a gaggle of ghouls all watching to see the resulting drama. I am happy to say, none ensued and I parked it back at PNGAS after an uneventful flight. It worked OK but what a wreck.!! Ron asked Norm Sellen to tske it swsy, and as far as I am aware it is flying in NZ now.

[Chimbu chuckles]

No there is no doubt the waterskiing harvards are real...many witnesses and the pilots too well known for it to be faked. My only point is they must have practiced quite extensively, both solo and together, before submitting to the photo flight....information on a SA website suggests the actual pass down the lake that is the subject of the photos was one of 5 that day....lots of people there watching...all very well planned....apparently.

On a thread on Private Flying forum there is a picture of two Jodels waterskiing in formation and I have seen another of two cubs waterskiing on formation...this particular 'art form' is a lot more widely practiced than I thought.

While not essentially difficult to achieve it is a pastime fraught with potential embarassment.

It is all based around the basic aquaplaning formula...9X square root of the tyre pressure. Clearly there is also some benefit from really big tyres like the Tundra tyres you see on some back woods cubs etc...then it is more like plane waterskiing....although even at very low tyre pressure like tundra ones you have an aquaplaning speed of only about 25 knots...so any faster and you are happily waterskiing.

If you don't have the brakes on you risk wheel spin up which probably wont, you hope, effect the aquaplaning formula (if you are travelling really fast) but will spray a lot of water all over the place.

If you hit something solid in the water you risk being tripped and flip over...remember when we hit that cable on our forced landing in Moresby. It hit about half way up the tyre and we nearly went over, but we ripped it out of the ground a split second later:ouch:....even so our nose down attitude would have guaranteed the prop/nose impacted the water had we been waterskiing instead of 50+' above the road.

If you are not very carefull rotating to leave the water you may dip the tailwheel in the water or at least put the rear of the aircraft (horizontal stab) in the plume possibly slowing down enough that you almost stop aquaplaning and drag rises...quickly flipping you over.

The actual act of putting the aircraft on the water is the easy part...once you get over the pucker factor. The list of things that can go wrong after that gets a little scary....more so in a light/relatively underpowered aircraft like a cub than heavier/faster/more powerfull aircraft like a C185/Harvard....I would think.

[tinpis]

Heres one for taily to practise in....


http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/laughatu.gif http://www.kbtoys.com/g/toys/big/114562a.jpg

[dwarfhunter]

Heard a rumour recently (from Chuck's ex wife's ex husband's brother's nephew's next door neighbour), that somebody has applied to import 3 F100's into PNG. And it's not ANG (although I have heard they are getting another F100). Thought maybe Oz Ex may have heard about it?

[777tinpis]

Apinun ol'geta wantok,

Just after some advice on flying back in PNG, im starting on a Bandit flying mainly coastal but from time to time a few highlands destinations. Any tips on surviving a tour of duty up there?

[Chimbu chuckles]

In the highlands study the countryside you fly over in good weather so in bad you are less likely to get lost...anything that sticks out...landslides, funny bends in rivers, villages...the first landmark I ever learned up in the highlands was a single tree on a ridge near Kundiawa...it saved my bacon a bunch of times...when it was cut down 10 years later I was most upset...flew passed in a dash 7 and it was gone...I was inconsolable:ugh:

Presumably you will be starting off in the RHS?

Develope an idea about escape routes and also study where the weather builds up first and where stays clear the longest.

A bandit is not the aeroplane to go poking around in valleys in poor weather...so don't...if you doubt me on this there are two crashed bandits within 10nm of Goroka...both pilots I knew...both were absolutely avoidable and completely stupid, unforgiveable crashes that killed a lot of people.

First rule about flying in PNG.

If you have plenty of fuel, an escape route (backdoor) and daylight you can safely explore weather....any one of those three not available.....run away.

Last rule of PNG Flying....see first rule.:ok:

[185skywagon]

I hope this doesn't contravene rules, but here is a movie sequence showing proof of concept for O/size wheels, that involves water-skiing in Cubs.
waterskiing Cubs (http://www.akbushwheel.com/downloads/river3.wmv)
Chimbu, where are the photos on the PNG site?

185.

[tinpis]

185 wagon they could of called that sequence
Todays Cub pilot that blows tyre on pine log is tomorrows bear ****

[OzExpat]

Sorry that I haven't been able to answer your question before now Chuck, due need for urgent replacement of computer. :{ Anyway, I took those photos in 1984, so reckon it must've been Gridley. My fading memory thinks it was Phil rather than Tony, but I could be mistaken after all this time.

dwarfhunter... no, I haven't heard of any operator other than PX acquiring more F-100s. I understand that plans exist to phase out the F-28s by about October and replace them with F-100s. Lots of crews being upgraded to the F-100 and Pixie is busy retraining former F28 crews to facilitate the upgrading of current F28 crews.

[maxspeed]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/maxspeed01/vh-nottelling.jpg

[tinpis]

Max ...that positively obscene:ok:
Erm..does Col come in here?

[777tinpis]

Thanks for the valuable advice Chimbu i hope i dont run into too many hairy situations when im up there.
By the way guys i managed to obtain a copy of the DVD that Nokuya metioned about a few pages back (thanks again Nokuya might see u when im in Moresby next time) about PNG bush flying im not sure but i think it could twin otters from the MAF fleet:suspect:
But if some1 is able to host a site to perhaps share it around i could send them a copy of it.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Thanks for the valuable advice Chimbu i hope i dont run into too many hairy situations when im up there.

:} Lots of luck:ok:

[troppo]

Whatever it takes to keep this thread alive...

Pilot shortage hits rural airline

Missionary Aviation Fellowship (MAF) — the longest aviation company serving rural Papua New Guinea — has cut back its services due to a shortage of pilots. General manager Mike Jelliffe said in a statement yesterday that due to the shortage of pilots, the company had to restructure its operations. He said MAF was not able to meet all flight requests in some remote areas due to the shortage. He said MAF recruited pilots from all over the world but due to various reasons, some who have been scheduled for PNG have not come. Other pilots who have had their time here resigned and some of those spaces have yet to be filled. He said recruiting was not a straight forward case for MAF as those selected had to go through a one year Bible training program before starting on the job. “But we are hoping that before the end of the year, we should be able to get a few pilots who are currently undergoing training and getting their houses up in Australia,” he said. Mr Jelliffe said at the moment, MAF had the capacity to get nine pilots who could get straight into flying without delay. He said MAF recruits pilots from England, Holland, Korea, Germany, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland and a few other countries. He said the climate was not the reason for pilots not wanting to come here but it was a similar case with other airline companies in the country where a pilot shortage was becoming a concern. “We regret this inconvenience and apologise to our valued customers that we have had to reduce service levels like this,” he said. “We wish to assure the public that we are doing all we can to increase our pilot numbers and restore full service levels.” Mr Jelliffe said this month, Vanimo will be serviced by the Telefomin and Wewak aircraft. A pilot and GA8 aircraft will be based at Vanimo for operations by April, he said. The Telefomin Twin Otter will assist with Vanimo operations this month and Kiunga operations one day a week from April, he said. He said from late March, Kawito (Lower Fly) operations will be serviced by the Twin Otter from Mt Hagen and backed up by the Rumginae based C206. No aircraft would be based at Kawito for the immediate future, though Kawito base would remain open, he said. Mr Jelliffe said although all remote communities would be serviced, there would be a reduction in capacity for some areas. The Mt Hagen-based airline has been operating in rural PNG for more than 55 years.

I also see that the mins for F/O's at Airlink is down to 500 hours TT

[Dry_Twotter]

By the way guys i managed to obtain a copy of the DVD that Nokuya metioned about a few pages back (thanks again Nokuya might see u when im in Moresby next time) about PNG bush flying im not sure but i think it could twin otters from the MAF fleet:suspect:
But if some1 is able to host a site to perhaps share it around i could send them a copy of it.
There are 2 twotters in it.I'm pretty sure that they are (were) APNG. MBA and MCB.Can any of you guys who have seen it confirm any of the strips these guys are landing at. Pretty sure Tapini, Fane, Kamalai are in there.

[dwarfhunter]

Thanks OzEx, thought it was BS.

[Sharpie]

Very sad news in that Dean Darcey, Air Traffic Controller ex Lae and Port Moresby known for his 'Joe's Jolly' and "Moresby Gliding Club' prose, a great golfer, tennis/squash player, poet, friend to all(even pilots) collapsed and died whilst playing a game of tennis in Brisbane last Saturday 11th March.

The funeral is to be held at Centenary Memorial Gardens, 353 Wacol Station Road, Sumner, next Friday 17th at 10:30 am.


Message from fellow ATC Graham Dew to Malcom Douglas.

I thought that you would like to know that Dean Darcey died last Saturday (11/3). He was playing his usual Saturday afternoon game of tennis with a group of friends on a private court in Boscombe Road, Brookfield. He collapsed on the court and despite the immediate CPR efforts of a retired cardio-thoracic surgeon, one of the group, could not be revived. There is to be an autopsy, so we expect the funeral to be toward the end of the week.

I believe all relevant the ATCs have been informed but do you know of any other aviation identities whom you think would like to know of Dean’s death?


Vale a great golfer, tennis and squash player, musician, poet and laconic wit.

[Taildragger]

Wing in ground effect too difficult for me Tinni;

[Taildragger]

Is there anybody still out there.?? Thread seems to have died a bit.!

[Sharpie]

We are still out here Taildragger.

It seems that some of us are busing in retirement, keeping out of the way of 'She Who Must Be Obeyed' and enjoying yacht racing and the frivolity that goes with it, not devoting the usual hours dreaming up schemes or themes to upset Chuckles.

Kia Ora.

[Chimbu chuckles]

:} :ouch: :suspect: :ooh: :E :ok:

Say 'uncle'?

[Minosavy Masta]

Right On Sharpe........couldnt have said it better myself Hi Hi Hi ....sad news about Deano Darcy.....trouble is....we are all headed thet way ...like it or not !!:(

[Taildragger]

I ain't going. I am going to hang around like a bad smell.
Talking of which.......

[robroy]

Paul Bolger is organising the 2006 PNG Reunion.

To be held at the, Southport RSL Memorial Club, 10th. June 2006.

RSVP 26 May 2006

$39 per person.

Accommodation has been arranged at a special rate at various locations.

Contact Paul at, Phone/Fax. 07 3889 6805

robroy

[Taildragger]

Can't let the thread go under, so I am bringing back to the top again

[troppo]

www.smh.com.au

Swiss pilot killed, 3 hurt, in PNG crash

A Swiss missionary pilot has been killed and three passengers injured in a light plane crash in Papua New Guinea's Southern Highlands.

The Missionary Aviation Fellowship (MAF) Cessna 206 aircraft went down near the town of Tari early on Thursday afternoon.

MAF general manager Mike Jeliffe said it was not known at this stage what caused the crash but officials from MAF Australia would come up to head an internal investigation.

The pilot had reported entering the circuit area around Tari airfield and operations appeared normal but the six-seater aircraft did not make it to the airstrip, he said.

The 42-year-old Swiss pilot, whose name was not released, had been in PNG with the Swiss Mission for 12 years and leaves a wife and four children who were in the country with him.

The three PNG national passengers, two of them seriously injured, were taken by helicopter to a hospital in the Western Province capital Mt Hagen.

They were expected to survive, Jeliffe said.

MAF staff were shocked by the crash after having lost two New Zealand pilots in the crash of a Twin Otter aircraft in the Star Mountains of western PNG in February last year, he said.

The airline has suspended flights of its 10 single-engined aircraft and four Twin Otters apart from flying in investigators.

Last year's crash killed Captains Chris Hansen, 37, and Richard West, 40, but the cabin attendant and eight passengers escaped with only minor injuries after the plane hit trees as the pilots tried to land at an airstrip.

MAF has operated in PNG for more than 50 years, flying people and supplies to the remotest airstrips in the country.

© 2006 AAP

[troppo]

Back to the top...
www.postcourier.com.pg

MAF will fly on

MISSION Aviation Fellowship (MAF), the longest aviation company serving rural Papua New Guinea, has assured it would continue to serve the country. It also pledged to maintain its safety standards, despite three plane crashes in the last 12 months. MAF general manager Mike Jelliffe gave the assurance after a Swiss missionary pilot was killed and three passengers injured in a plane crash in Southern Highlands last month. The MAF Cessna 206 aircraft crashed near Tari town. In February last year, MAF lost two New Zealand pilots in a crash of a Twin Otter aircraft in the Star Mountains of Western PNG. Last week, the airline suspended flights of its 10 single-engine aircraft and four Twin Otters apart from flying in investigators, while staff were attending to the funeral of the Swiss pilot. Mr Jelliffe was asked if the public in PNG who used MAF aircraft could be assured it was still safe to fly with the airline. “MAF seeks to maintain its standards at the highest professional level, in full compliance with Civil Aviation requirements and the fact that accidents still happen is an indication of the nature of PNG operations,” Mr Jelliffe said. He said although MAF was aware that last year two New Zealand pilots were killed in one crash, and just in a year, one more pilot had been killed, he still assured MAF would continue operating in PNG after 50 years. “Our pilots from overseas come to PNG knowing there are dangers. The loss of our pilots in these circumstances does not change the reason we are in PNG- to serve the churches and communities with air transport, and to serve God by doing so,” Mr Jelliffe said. When asked if the sort of planes MAF uses (and had used) were still conducive to flying in the PNG environment, Mr Jelliffe said the kind of planes used in PNG had proved to be the best kind of aircraft in the world.

[robroy]

Ashwell Macleod "Mac" Drew passed away peacefully after a short illness, on Thursday 23 March 2006, aged 74.

Mac, was RAAF trained, saw active service in Korea, joined TAA in 1960, was Chief Pilot of Crowleys in Lae, then went to Ansett APNG, back to Oz. in 1973 and retired as a B737 Captain in 1988.

A good bloke, Wantok Tru.

Apinun Mac,

robroy

[tinpis]

Solomons Islands.
Fish, forests, gold, bauxite, phosphates, lead, zinc, nickel , its gotta be about that? Surely we not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about law and order and domestic harmony? :hmm:

[troppo]

and the next one on the slippery slide in melanesia...fiji
it takes them all about 25 years post independence
i know my pidgin is rat**** but how do you say it??
"wanim taim masta bilong ol kam bak?"
how many days til the election? :hmm:

[troppo]

back to the top...
www.postcourier.com.pg

Three killed in helicopter crash

Two Papua New Guineans died instantly while a third died at the Iagifu Ridge Hospital when a Hevi Lift helicopter on contract to Oil Search Limited crashed on approach to the Moran 5/7 helipad in the Southern Highlands. The tragic incident happened last Thursday at 5pm. It was the first major incident of such disastrous proportions involving Oil Search this year. On board the helicopter were seven passengers — six Papua New Guinean welders and their Australian pilot. From the surviving four passengers, a critically injured patient — believed to be the Melbourne-born pilot — was medivaced to a hospital in Cairns, Australia, for special medical treatment in the early hours of Friday morning. The remaining three passengers were airlifted to the Pacific International Hospital in Port Moresby where they were being treated for their injuries. The trio was reportedly very traumatised by the incident and medical officers attending to them would not allow visitors, including the media, to speak to them or take photographs. “A swift and efficient response by the Oil Search field response team assisted in rescuing the passengers and bringing the critically injured to the Iagifu Ridge Hospital,” said Oil Search managing director Peter Botten. He said while the company regretted the tragedy, a full investigation involving Oil Search Limited, Hevi Lift and the Office of Civil Aviation Authority was already underway to determine the cause of the incident. “Oil Search is doing what it can to assist the injured and support their families at this difficult time and is also providing counselling to other people affected by this incident,” he said. Hevi Lift said on Friday they would issue a statement regarding the incident later.

PX Boeing in ‘tail-strike’

Air Niugini’s Boeing 767 aircraft has suffered a tail-strike on landing at Jackson’s International Airport in Port Moresby, delaying an undisclosed number of international passengers from leaving. The flight —PX 004 — had arrived from Brisbane, Australia, around 5.30pm yesterday when the incident occurred as the aircraft was landing. Air Niugini’s corporate affairs manager Eva Arni told the Post-Courier yesterday that as a result of the mishap, the aircraft could not operate the PX 005 flight from Port Moresby to Brisbane and Sydney in Australia. Acting chief executive officer of Air Niugini Wasantha Kumarasiri said last night: “It was not an emergency landing . . . the aircraft on (normal) landing suffered a tail-strike.” He said following the incident the airline took the necessary steps to ensure normal Boeing procedures were followed and the aircraft will now go for a service. He said all passengers for Brisbane who were to travel on PX005 yesterday were airlifted to their destination in a Fokker 100 series aircraft. Mr Kumarasiri said while the tail-strike would disrupt Air Niugini’s services to Australia, the airline will do its best to provide the best customer service. He said alternative arrangements would be made for passengers who wish to travel with Air Niugini out of the country. Mr Kumarasiri could not confirm how many passengers were affected and when repair work would start on the Boeing 767 aircraft.

[bulolobob]

Came across this link today - has some great early PNG film clips including aircraft and airfields - complete with sound/commentary - well worth looking at.
http://www.pngair.com/?q=node/1042
Enjoy

[troppo]

sheesh...bulolo ain't changed much in like 70 years...:} Sunday afternoons on the brown bottle at the swine lodge were great:ok:

[sixtiesrelic]

The clips at PNGAIR are taken from a video the Commonwealth Film Archives sent to my cousin with the original reels my uncle took before the war.
With a couple of conversions to get the footage into my computer, to work on some sort of stories, there was a loss of resolution which was pretty sad to start with.
The original is hundreds of two to twenty second quick clips taken over two years.
I collected disjointed clips into some semblance of order, so you'll see the wrong type of wing in some aerial shots from the aircraft type that taxis.
My uncle flew Junkers F13s, W34s, G31s, Ford Trimotors and Gypsie moth whilly nilly in that time. He was killed in a Guinea Airways Lockheed 14 crash near Darwin in 1942. Would have been either kicked up into the Flight Department to shut him up, or been high up in the Federation if he lived, as he was a bit of a stirrer.
I'm going to drive to my cousin's place (6 hrs) and pick up the original 16 MM reels and bring them back to Bris to have them converted from 16 MM straight to DVD and re-do them in a hi resolution. They should be considerably better then and hopefully download faster.
I'm busy at the moment with planning a "barnstorming trip" from Sydney to Perth in a DC-3 a couple of cousins are buying and will operate from Perth.
We decided to drop in at a number of country towns to give the locals a look at a DC-3 and a ride if there's enough interest, rather than sit up there droning all day to Ceduna and then Perth the next day.
CASA is having fun with the transfer of ownership and a departure date keeps moving along a few weeks at a time.
The aircraft was East West's flagship EWA then EWF. Ken Jarrold showed me his logbook where he flew it out of Moresby when it replaced one of the Patair 3s when it was doing a major for a couple of weeks.
I also am re scanning the black and white photos that are on a PNGAIR and couple of other sites with a better scanner and will have them available... one day.
Did you get those discs I posted you SHARPIE??
Sixties

[Animalclub]

sheesh...bulolo ain't changed much in like 70 years...:} Sunday afternoons on the brown bottle at the swine lodge were great:ok:

Had my honeymoon there in 1965!!! Was Ted Ferrie the man in those days?

[bulolobob]

Sixties

The original is hundreds of two to twenty second quick clips taken over two years.
I collected disjointed clips into some semblance of order, so you'll see the wrong type of wing in some aerial shots from the aircraft type that taxis.

You've done a great job - keep it up!

I recall meeting Bertie Heath, then in his 80's and owrking in SP's advertising [Read 'giveaways'] store at the Brewery in Lae. This was in the early '70's and he was in his 80's at the time. Still driving arounf Lae in a small Morris car with a bottle of Red Mill Rum on the passenger seat.

Berties is credited, in, I think, 'Wings Of Gold' with flying one of the top tumbler shafts for a Bulolo Gold Dredge from Salamaua to Bulolo. It weighed so much that he had to fly in the early morning, on a clear day and measure his fuel with a kettle or teacup in order to minimise weight to clear the hills.

There are photos of this tumbler shaft being loaded through the roof on the aircraft.

Fascinating times and your upload do help preserve them.

Cheers
BB

[dwarfhunter]

RE: the water skiing harvards posted by Tinpis on the 25th of Feb. Got the same pics sent recently with the following story.

Subject: South African air show...
This is pretty damn cool...
Early morning anglers are treated to the spectacle of four T6 Harvard Aircraft from The Flying Lions Aerobatic Team waterskiing across the Klipdrift Dam near Johannesburg South Africa.
Lead by Scully Levin, with wingman Arnie Meneghelli, Stewart Lithgow and Ellis Levin, this renown airshow display team rehearse a sequence for the newly launched "Aviation Action" television program on Supersport.
Meneghelli from Academy Brushware, owner of the aircraft had this to say, "What we did today I believe is a world first. It illustrates that SouthAfrican airshow pilots are amongst the best in the world".
This unusual act, approved by the South African Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), and supported by Castrol Aviation, was meticulously planned and took place under the watchfull eye of divers and paramedics that were on site.

[Sharpie]

Hi 60's relic,

mi sori tumas, mi lusim planti tingting long disc bilong yu!

I have been just spending far too much time on the briny lately trying to keep youth of today honest and from beating me. Nothing like old age and treachery to beat youth and honesty anytime eh?

Yes. I got the disc thank you very much and I have spent many an hour looking at them since their arrival. I still think that you could write a good sized coffee table book for us old fellas(and new ones) out there to buy. Regards to Blossom and any of the other ex Patair/Ansett MAL/APNG crew that you run into during the tour.

Regards,
Looie.

[MPT]

G'day All,

Harvard video here: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-3-28_harvards.wmv Big file for those on dial up though.

Looks scary to me!!
Cheers,

MPT

[Hugh Jarse]

sheesh...bulolo ain't changed much in like 70 years...:} Sunday afternoons on the brown bottle at the swine lodge were great:ok:


Wouldn't be this place would it?
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0015.jpg
On the back of the pic it says "The Lodge Bulolo 1948":eek:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0002.jpg
"Plane at Bulolo Airstrip 1948"

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0012.jpg
"Crashed Plane at Bulolo 1947"

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0007.jpg
"New Guinea Natives Building Bridge Over Markham R. Bulolo 1948"

Don't know the accuracy of these, but that's what was written on the photo's.:ok:

I've got more:eek:

[Animalclub]

HJ Bring 'em on... please. Or post them somewhere where we can all have a gander.

Pine Lodge had improved by 1965 so that may not be it.

[Torres]

Jarse. The photo labelled "Bridge Over Markham R. Bulolo 1948" should probably read "Bridge Over Markham R. near Lae 1948".

Actually, that may be the building the original Markham Bridge, however the river looks too narrow (may be the camera perspective) although the terrain on the other side looks correct.

I think that insignia on the nose of the Anson is Carpenters (later became Mandated Airlines). Do you have the full registration?

[Animalclub]

Torres Could it be the Snake River where they used to (maybe still do) dredge the gold?

[Fris B. Fairing]

Gents
Have a look at page 45 of Balus #1 where you will see a similar photo of the crashed Anson. This is VH-AYD of Guinea Air Traders. The photo to the left of it shows Anson VH-AKH also of Guinea Air Traders. This aeroplane carries on its nose an emblem which appears similar to that in HJ's photo. Any more GAT photos to come Hugh? Hudson maybe?
Regards

[Hugh Jarse]

Thanks for the support guys. I'm only going off what's written on the back of the photos. Dad was up there in WW2 and came back after he did 2 years with BCOF in Hiroshima. Most of the photos are from 1947-48. I don't think he wrote his notes on the back of the pix until the late 60's, so his recollection might not have been exactly correct. Nonetheless, they are all in New Guinea.

I hope you enjoy them.

Torres, I have others around Lae, so it's possible he got it mixed up:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0004.jpg
"Sunken Jap ship on the end of the Lae Airstrip 1948"

Fris, dad flew as a pax often on Guinea Air Traders. That's possibly where he took the pix. Unfortunately, that"s how it was in the photo. Here's another at Lae:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0051.jpg
"Planes on the airstrip at Lae 1948.I went in the 2nd one". Dragon Rapide, I think?

Animalclub, I've only just discovered Photobucket. Dad went up for the second time to work fro Bulolo Gold as an engineer. one of his jobs was refloating dredges that were sank a couple of years earlier:E

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0055.jpg
"A dredge before we fixed it Bulolo 1948"

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0054.jpg
Same dredge from a different side.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/HugeArse/File0001.jpg
"Some New Guinea Natives"

Regards from Jarse.
____________________
It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees

[Fris B. Fairing]

Jarse
Great photos. I'm fairly certain the Hudson is the ill-fated VH-ALA which crashed on take-off from Lae for Bulolo on 18 April 1948 with the loss of 37 lives. The aeroplane to the rear of the Hudson is a DH84 Dragon.
Regards

[Hugh Jarse]

Fris, I don't think dad knew the fate of the Hudson. All I can do is thank God he got on the Dragon:E or I wouldn't be here:8

Funny, I'll post a photo from 1947 tomorrow of a "Meri" (his words). They were known by that even back then..

He and his mates had 2 house boys known as "Hungry" and "Sleepy". Cracked me up.:E

[Animalclub]

HJ That ship is the Tenya (Tenyo?) Maru. It's on the edge of a reef... after a guria (earth tremor) in, I think, the 80's it slipped off into the deep. Many a pilot used it to line up on the strip when the weather was inclement!

[tinpis]

HJ That ship is the Tenya (Tenyo?) Maru. It's on the edge of a reef... after a guria (earth tremor) in, I think, the 80's it slipped off into the deep. Many a pilot used it to line up on the strip when the weather was inclement!

"Pants" parked a Baron real close to it. :}

[tinpis]

More photos ta Hugh.
Poor bugger that had to fly an Anson up there.
Am I wrong or did someone operate a Beagle 206 in PNG ?
Another Brit bucket of bolts. :uhoh:

[Disco Stu]

Ref the Tenyo (or was it Tanyo) Maru at Lae.

Whoever painted the bow deck white so it was easily seen on approach.....

Thank you


Many, many, many times over:E

Disco Stu:ok:

[mutiny]

Tinpis

Forgive me but my memory is not the best!! There was a Beagle 206 in the Territory in the late 1960's VH-UNC, I think, but please don't hold me to it. It may have had a problem at Tapini in 1967/68.

Despite a search of my papers I cannot find any further reference. I hope this may be able to jog someonelse's memory!!!!

mutiny

[Torres]

The photo titled "New Guinea Natives Building Bridge Over Markham R. Bulolo 1948" is not over the Markham. The Markham Bridge, which was only recently destroyed, was a Bailey Bridge, not a suspension bridge.

I had Tommy Leahy in my office this morning - Tom, nephew of the early PNG explorers Mick, Jim and Dan Leahy, lived in the Markham from 1948 to 1978. He is sure the suspension bridge is over the Wamput River at the bottom of the Zenag Range. The photo is taken from the Bulolo side, looking north. The Wamput River flows in the Markham River.

The two Bulolo dredge photos are of Dredge No 8. Tom remembers when they were excavating to refloat the dredge.

The "Tenyo Maru" slipped off the reef some years ago during my time in PNG. Two swimmers diving on the wreck were taken there in the 1950's by crocs or sharks.

Tinnie, Pants parked the Baron a bit further out in the Huon Gulf than the Tenyo Maru, but not that far as the splash could be seen from the Lae Tower.

[troppo]

I'd second Torres re the bridge...
With respect to the dredges at Bulolo, I could never figure out how they would 'float' given their size and the amount of water flowing down the river...:confused:

[Hugh Jarse]

Thanks for the info, gents. I'll amend my notes accordingly.

I don't want to waste too much bandwidth here, but if you want more photos just sing out:E

[Animalclub]

I'm singing... or perhaps you can tell us the address of your Photobucket files?

[tinpis]

Yes please Hugh.:ok:

I think the Beagle was being used by a helo mob in POM ???? Airfast ???...dunno to long ago.:ugh:

[poteroo]

[B]VH-UNC Beagle 206 Airfast Charter ex Helicopter Utilities[B]

I was Airfast's weekend Aztec driver at the time, and was hanging out for an endorsement on the big Pom tank. Luckily, I didn't get near it !!

The Beagle suffered a blown pot on the LH (?) engine on t/o from 32L at Jacksons in about late 1968 or early 1969. It went off the end and through the cattle yards on the DASF animal research station which used to be there..Moitaka??

I think it was written off? No injuries that I remember - just wounded egos. PIC was much older than myself...he also flew choppers, and I think served with the RAAF on Mustangs in Korea.

happy days,

[Animalclub]

Moitaka ended up being a crocodile farm... at least it was when I was last in POM.

[tinpis]

Just curious, does anyone know the cost of a litre of ULP in PNG?

[troppo]

tin,
dunno...but i wish i had kept some of the gold I was buying of the locals in Wau and Bulolo...

oh yeah...observing a local buying a small amount of mercury in a trade store in bulolo one day...
salesman...sori tru, nogat liklik sumting for dispela
local...emi orait... (as he holds out his hand!)

I guess it was like selling them petrol/kero in a plastic shopping bag...they would be happy until they got half way down the road and the bag would melt or leak.

[tinpis]

Am just curious.
I would be cranky if it were less than here because the oz taxpayer is subsidising it.

[troppo]

here ya go tin...from last month...
http://www.postcourier.com.pg/20060410/news03.htm
hate to tell ya but it's cheaper...:}

[Chimbu chuckles]

Ahhh for the good old days when 1PNGK = USD1.05.:}

What is the south pacific peso worth now to the Oz$?

Must admit that Oz fuel prices are llttle more than acedemic though....53 cents a liter here for premium:E

Having said that $1.53 for avgas a few days ago in Brissy hurt:ugh:

[Woomera]

Aus$ 1.00 = NGK 2.39 or NGK 1.00 = Aus$ 0.42. When I left in 1985 NGK 1 was worth Aus$ 1.35.

I guess even an SP Brownie must now be around K8 to K10 at the Temple of Aeros?

30 years ago I could buy SP and San Mig/Swan at staff prices - $4.50 per slab!!! Now it costs that for one stubbie??

No doubt inflation has hit prices in "the world's oldest profession"? I guess K2 would not even get a look in at Six Mile or the old Lae Airstrip (not rthat I would know!!) :=

[Fris B. Fairing]

RV6-VNE

Beagle 206 VH-UNC crashed on 19 Feb 1969.

Regards

[Taildragger]

Animalclub Last time I was in Moitaka with my good friend Chimbu Chuckles, it was a runway so to speak. happy days, eh Chuckles.??

[Chimbu chuckles]

Yup....how many speedy car tracks have their very own landing strip adjacent:} :{

Woomera I would suggest K2.00 wouldn't even by a stamp at the Lae Post Office these days...let alone a mouth to lick it :}

[Crossbleed]

Is the P-39 still quietly rusting away at the aeroclub in POM??

[Bus driver]

As part of, one of the new boys initiation to Lae the other week after a night at the yachty, I told him I knew a girl that wanted to meet him and while getting him to wind his window down, abruptly stopped infront of a girl at the post office. Talk about quick hands, they were all over him before the car even stopped................thou past rumours suggest the car is well known in that part of town (could account for some of those mystery stains on the back seat)

Anyways she was wanting something crazy like K20-30. Long gone are those K2 days i'm affraid. Thank god an SP can still be got for K4 at the yachty.

[OzExpat]

If you're really silly, you can pay much more than that in Moresby, Bus driver. Rates start around K50 in some places, but that's often just a bargaining ploy... or so I'm told, anyway!;)

[Chimbu chuckles]

:yuk: Would you like AIDS with that Masta:ugh:

Anyone tempted by the jungle bunnies should wear two condoms...with a liberal application of dencorub between....that way if either one breaks you'll know:}

[Taildragger]

Chuckles Can't be sure, but that sounds like the voice of experience..! :} :yuk:

[OzExpat]

And, of course, if you need more than 2 condoms, you're probably dealing with a really sizeable problem! :eek:

[Woomera]

Even at K2 it would be overpriced!! :yuk:

Time for some decorum I think! :}

Sunny Woomera

[Sharpie]

if you followed Chuck's recommendations, that would really help stop the spread of aids. With:) two pulled on over your head, breathing should cease within 120 seconds!

[Chimbu chuckles]

Wanim lapun masta?:p

What's happening at PX?

[Sharpie]

Would not have a clue Chuckles!

Thou' have heard a wee rumour that Woomera:eek: :ok: is soon to visit the Republic of the Philippines.

[High 6]

Haven't logged on for a long time and have enjoyed reading all the great stories from Taim Bipo. Is someone collating all these tales for a Mauswara bilong Balus? :ok:

Chimbu Chuckles, notice on another thread you were chasing up the Bush Flying in PNG DVD, did you get it?

[Animalclub]

High 6

Barry Hocking is collating stories for a book and is looking for any stories of the TN/AN era in PNG. He's published his email address on this site before so I'm sure that I'm allowed to do it again...

[email protected]

Cheers

[Sharpie]

Hey Chimbu!

I hear that px is recycling long-discarded pocket-rocket crew to fill a few spaces whilst regular guys move up on to the long bodied model. I hope that the fuse length prohibits fokka tail strikes eh?:rolleyes: :D

[Chimbu chuckles]

Yes...spoke to one at an Australia Day pissup in Brissy...good on em.

One may even be young enough to remain longer than anticipated:ok:

It does seem some are struggling with the geometry of the Boeing:hmm: Can't see it being a problem on the long bodied pocket rocket....can see some other potential traps though...it aint an F28.

[High 6]

I remember the Scarebus had a big red tail bump/skid under the fuselage like an overgrown mole. A proposal was muted that the standard walk around kit should contain a can of red spray paint to paint over any missing color from this appendage. This would no doubt eliminate lengthy delays and flight cancellations. :ok:

Fortunately, we never had cause to budget for this item and in fact with the short fuselage, you would have had to work pretty hard to get a tailstrike on the Scarebus. Undoubtedly of it's rare good points.

Am surprised the Pixie boys are having TS issues, I had thought the Boring had much the same characteristics as the Scarebus in this respect.

[Woomera]

Thanks for the ales Sharpie. Good to see Club Morrocco is not what I at first assumed it to be!!!!

Nice house you got there. Make a great venue for the next reunion!!!!!

:} :} :} :}

Sunny Woomera

[Sharpie]

Glad to see you and the others from 'south of the equator'!

Dunno bout a reunion in the house, though we could always start out at the club and barbie on the beach!

Thanks for the visit.:D

[Animalclub]

Courtesy of Trevor Michie's PNG Gossip Newsletter

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** Swamp Ghost **

The removal of the Swamp Ghost, a Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bomber, from Oro Province has caused more than a few ripples at various organisations around the country. It has been reported that the Swamp Ghost was purchased for US$100,000 from the National Museum and Art Gallery. Government authorities are now questioning why such a valuable asset was allowed to be sold for such a low price. The Internal Revenue Commission (IRC) claim that they have not received any advice from the shippers to say the asset is being exported from the country and the Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee have said to do all possible to block the shipment until an investigation can be carried out. The National Museum and Art Gallery has also been directed to put together a submission for Culture and Tourism Minister David Basua to take to cabinet regarding the World War bomber.

The Swamp Ghost was returning from an air raid mission to East New Britain when it crash-landed at Agaiembo Lake in 1942.
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[Sharpie]

In one respect, it is very good that such a historical aircraft may again grace the skies for many to see.

The sad part is that like so much of PNG wartime memoriabilia, the aircraft may be spirited away with rather mercenary intent, leaving the country with little apart from memories.

I wonder what Danny Leahy of Pacific Wrecks thinks about it?:hmm:

[tinpis]

Its a wonder the Wau B-17 hasnt been grabbed.:uhoh:

[Johhny Utah]

tinpis - I'm pretty sure it has. From memory, it was removed in 2002/2003. :uhoh:

[troppo]

Appears the Wau B17 is still there
www.postcourier.com.pg 29/05/2006

‘Ghost’ kept under guard

CUSTOMS officers in Lae kept a close eye on controversial American World War II B-17 bomber dubbed Swamp Ghost over the weekend. The commissioner general of the Internal Revenue Commission David Sode had instructed that no export permit be given pending the outcome of a Public Accounts Committee inquiry on July 1. The war plane was to be shipped to the United States but the PNG Government had intervened and it is now sitting at the Lae Bismarck Maritime Wharf. The plane was allowed to leave the country under an agreement signed in 1999 between the Military Aircraft Restoration Corporation in the United States and the custodian of the aircraft, the National Museum and Art Gallery. This has permitted American Alfred Hagen and Robert Greinert to remove the plane early this month from the Agiambo swamps in Northern Province where it had crash-landed 64 years ago during the World War II. But the plane had survived the crash and is fully intact. Officers at the wharf say the plane was moved from its original spot on the wharf on Thursday and shifted further inside the wharf to give space to the containers off-loaded from incoming ships. The former curator of the war museum brand of the national museum and present director of the Kokoda-Buna Historical Foundation, Maclaren Hiari said the plane was the World War II’s rarest bomber. “The Swamp Ghost is a highly-regarded prized war relic in the aircraft archaeology world particularly in Australia, New Zealand and USA ... according to my close consultation with former crew members of the aircraft, leading international aircraft archaeologists, aviation historians and aviation museums and organisations,” he said. But that contradicts the view from the National Museum and Art Gallery, whose acting director Simon Poraituk said the plane was worth only “K12,000”. Mr Hiari said the swamp ghost was the oldest Boeing-built B-17 in existence and the only remaining example of a B-17E model flying fortresses remaining in the world — one is near Black Cat Gap on the Kuber Ranger near Wau in Morobe Province while the third is in Greenland covered with ice. But ti iss till intact, he said. He said for the board of trustees of the museum to approve the salvaging and restoration of swamp ghost did not help the Government’s efforts to restore the existing war collections in the country.

[777tinpis]

G'day fellow wantoks!

just back from the land of 2k pumooks and i think there are more around now than there was 10yrs ago. Things are getting tough inflation etc is really taking a toll on locals to even get enough money to buy a tin of ox and palm is nearly impossible. But i have to say that Madang is one of the last friendly places where u can walk around at 5pm and not get robbed by rascals or hassled for being a masta.
The latest news on PX??? well heard that they are gettiing 2 more F100's and 3 more Dash 8's that will be in full cargo configuration to do the Nadzab-Goroka-Hagen route.
Well that is about the news that i care to share on this website u know wat they say aviation is such a small industry.
stap isi ol'geta!!
777tinpis

[Taildragger]

{{The sad part is that like so much of PNG wartime memoriabilia, the aircraft may be spirited away with rather mercenary intent, leaving the country with little apart from memories.}}

Sharpie....

Last I heard, $100,000 changed hands. who from and to whom is another matter, but 100 Grand aint too shabby considering that the said B17 would inch further and further into the swamp if not rescued.

The debate as to whether it is better to bring it out and restore it, or leave it to rot as part of the PNG "Heritage" will continue.

My Money says bring it out. :}

[OzExpat]

The cynic in me reckons that the payment :-

(a) wasn't enough; and
(b) went to the wrong person...:}

[Chimbu chuckles]

No Oz that is the realist in you:ok:

I agree that sitting in the swamp is of little 'heritage' value....mind you it was always fun burning up Uncle Dennis' fuel bills looking for WW2 wrecks...I'd hate to think how much time I have spent at 50' over that swamp showing people that wreck...and 50' over the western province looking at P38s...and 50' over the Williamez Peninsular looking at the B25s, Hudson (actually it wasn't a Hudson what was it?) All good fun:D :E

[tinpis]

Chuck it were a Kiwi Hudson.
Ive been on the ground looking at them in 74.
The B 25 had a bloody big artillery piece in the nose (75mm)
Both since recovered I believe

[Pinky the pilot]

As far as I'm concerned, a potentially restorable airframe slowly rotting in a swamp is of absolutely no heritage value whatsoever!!:mad:
A far better idea would be to allow recovery of an airframe for restoration on the strictly enforcable (how to enforce is another question) provision of returning to PNG a fully restored to static display example of the aircraft recovered. ie If you want one for yourself you'd better get a couple to start with.
Comments anyone?

[tinpis]

Can anyone name one warbird that has been put back in the air from PNG?

I believe Weeks got a lot of stuff from the " Momets" yard in Wewak?

Where did the bewt Kawasaki Tony go that Richard Leahy got ?

[Chimbu chuckles]

Yeah Tinny been out there by car too...but it is not a Hudson though is ex RNZAF...you could still see the markings last time I was there about 10 years ago.

And that 75mm field artillery piece they bolted in the B25 J parked next to it would make your eyes water...firing it let along being on the receiving end.

I am having a real blank on the RNZAF type...similar to a hudson but bigger.

[ResBunny]

Wouldn't a B17 technically still belong to the US government? Just because it's old doesn't mean it's not still theirs does it? Can't imagine the Oz government being too happy if one of our current RAAF planes ended up in a swamp and the PNG museum or whoever sold it a "warbird enthusiast".
Or did the US Army Air Force have a grand sell off of all crashed/destroyed aircraft "as is, where is"?

[tinpis]

Blank no more Chuck it was a PV1 Ventura seen here being wrecked in 1948 in Hamilton NZ.
http://www.wings.net.nz/art/558.jpg

[Chimbu chuckles]

Clever Tinny:D

[CoodaShooda]

Tinny

There was a magazine article a couple of years ago showing an ex-PNG Tony under rebuild in the States. The fuselage was substantially complete with a nice shiny skin. :)

Thought Weekes was involved but can't remember now. :8

[HANOI]

[QUOTE]Can anyone name one warbird that has been put back in the air from PNG
Does this qualify ?.
Seem to remember when the Ford Tri-Motor at Myola Lakes was being disassembled and transported to POM , the wing , slung from a helicopter , began to ' fly ' , causing a few anxious moments above.

[tinpis]

Cooda I have posted these before but I think this is where Weekes got his Tony from
The "momets" collection in Wewak these photties taken by me in 1975
http://www.fototime.com/%7B0A0DB2C1-A059-4687-BBDF-6F5E1AF3B202%7D/picture.JPGhttp://www.fototime.com/%7B0EE31028-AB71-4CCD-ADDA-7A6ACEC995DE%7D/picture.JPG
A copy of the Daimler Benz 601 built under licence by the Kwakker factory
Note the machine gun used to hold the iron down on top of it !
Anyone remember old Roy Worcester? The guy in the singlet.The other fulla is Kev Trueman (http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/ki-61/640.html)
http://www.fototime.com/%7BDB93337D-E529-4C50-B15E-41E17482D8EF%7D/picture.JPG

Bloody happy days long gone:(

Bugger just reread this I think that Tony in the photty is 640 !

[tinpis]

You leave some of yer toys (http://www.postcourier.com.pg/20060602/frhome.htm) behind there Chuck? :p

[Pinky the pilot]

Tinny Re the Kawasaki 'Tony' (which I think the Japanese called the 'Hien')....I have some piccies of it in the PNG Aviation 'Museum' undergoing some restoration in early 1991. I'd post them if I knew how!!!!:confused:
Would appreciate a detailed pm on the procedure:ok:

[Woomera]

Pinky. You need a Photobucket (http://www.photobucket.com/) account which is free. Upload your piccies to Photobucket then post the IMG tag on PPRuNe.

Or if that very simple process is too difficult for you :E email the pictures to [email protected] and I'll do it for you............. :ugh:

Sunny Woomera

[tinpis]

All the lapuns will remember the P 166 PIG.
Well lookit this fat dumb looking thing :uhoh:

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/images/Francis%20S.%20Gabreski%20Airport/2332_D.JPG

Theyre still on the same drugs ! :hmm:

http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/aircraft%20images/Piaggio%20P166%20VH-CAC%20@%20Moresby.JPG

[Animalclub]

Latest from Trevor Michie's PNG Gossip...

** Swamp Ghost **

The American B-17E warplane that crash-landed in the Agiambo swamps of Oro (Northern) Province will remain at the Lae Bismarck Maritime Wharf pending a Public Accounts Committee (PAC) inquiry on the 1st of July. The Internal Revenue Commission will not issue an export permit pending the inquiry. The PAC is responsible for protecting public funds and state properties.


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** Swamp Ghost II **

Bruce Hoy, the first curator of Modern History with the National Museum, says that he received several requests to recover the B-17E aircraft while he was in charge of the museum. One of the proposals he received and passed on to the politicians for consideration was that no money would change hands but rather the B-25 on display at Girua Airport Oro Province was to be restored externally, the Museum's P-38 fully restored, and an L-5 observation aircraft provided. Bruce adds that it was a far better offer than money because money can be so easily squandered on the wrong projects. Unfortunately because politicians get moved around in a typical PNG cabinet this proposal never eventuated.

Bruce says his main concern about selling any "wreck" to a private group of people is that their only object will be to make money out of the deal.

[Taildragger]

Tinny.... You really know "Stuff" about old things. Lapun tings Mate.
The Torpedo in the Photo you sent to Chuckles, is perfectly obviously gonna be used for fishing. Could catch a trawlerful when that goes off........ plus the Village and all the Wantoks too. :}

[Animalclub]

To bring it to the top again...

Courtesy of Trevor Michie's PNG Gossip

** Airlines of PNG **

Airlines of PNG has launched the airline's first in-flight magazine called "Discover" recently. Discover is a joint venture with PNG based printing house South Pacific Post with any excess funds derived from revenue to be put into worthy community projects.


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** Air Niugini **

Air Niugini, currently flying two Fokker F100's is rumoured to be almost ready to take delivery of another F100 to help with the replacement of the aging Fokker F28 4000 series fleet. Air Niugini has already pensioned off the 1000 series Fokker F28's. The airline currently uses the F100 to fly to Cairns daily and airstrips within PNG capable of taking the aircraft. It is anticipated that the flag carrier will get another one possibly two aircraft on top of the one coming soon.

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** PNG Air Tour **

Heron Airlines -- http://www.heronair.com.au -- from Australia will be bringing a jet with 14 passengers on board for an eleven-day trip around PNG starting on the 21st of June. The passengers will visit remote parts of the Highlands, Madang, the Huon Gulf and a walk at the Lae War Cemetery, the active volcanoes of Rabaul, and walk part of the famous Kokoda Track.

[tinpis]

One hopes they get them all back on board in one piece :uhoh:

[Chimbu chuckles]

Nice torpedo:}

I am reminded of the time I was flying in a Twotter when I got hailed by a young lad departing somewhere in a C206. He and his newly arrived in PNG mate on area famil had found an old 250Lb bomb laying in the grass...complete with tail fins and 'little propellers' (his words).

"Yeah I have seen it why?"

"We're gonna drop it"

"Wha..."

I was empty so slid into close formation and to my....coonsternation... saw the newbie holding onto it in the back...they'd taken the doors off:uhoh:

I moved over from echelon right to WIDE echelon left:}

They went into a right orbit over some swamp and the newbie kicked it out the door....it wobbled a bit as it dropped clear before plunging into the swamp...and without exploding plunged so deep into the mud it is without doubt now 'safe'.:ugh: :rolleyes:

Sort of a shame it didn't go off really:E

Later on I asked them if it was weeping crystaline green stuff like most of the old bombs laying around PNG...yeah a little...do you know what that is...no...:ugh:

Coulda (so easily) made a great story for the Darwin Awards.:E

Chuckles echelon right in P2-RDV formating on P2-RDB. What grand days:)

http://www.fototime.com/{18B5090C-4798-4AB0-B154-39F226539685}/picture.JPG

[2 Dogs]

Chuckles,
:= I hope you guys were given "traffic" on each other.

[Chimbu chuckles]

LOL, actually I think we were. We'd both just taxied Kokoda for Moresby and after we joined up Moresby called and gave each of us traffic on the other...was quite funny really:E

I have had a formation flying endorsement for over 24 years and the chap driving RDB was highly experienced at flying in a straight line...having said that he kept trying to see me and turning in his seat...everytime he did the aircraft turned towards me so I'd just maintain formation and say "OI, stop turning around in your seat and look where you going!!" He's in EK these days apparently:ok:

That piccy, among others that day were taken by a Canadian Engineer...top fella.