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I. M. Esperto
29th Sep 2001, 20:49
Below is a story from a controller at NY Tracon (interesting report):

Charlie
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(An FAA Controller in New York) writes:

Well, now that many of the details are being/have been released about the departure points, flight paths, etc. I can tell you a bit
more about how it looked from the radar scopes. Though I wasn't at work at the time, I'm told it was pretty apparent that something
was up within a short time after the first flight left Boston. Therefore, this part is obviously 2nd hand reports as relayed to me, and
may contain a few errors. I'm told the taxi & departure were all normal, but that sometime during the climb... the aircraft departed
it's assigned course, and 'killed' its transponder. For you non-ATC types, the transponder is an electrical device which is set on a
discreet 4-digit code for each flight, and also gives us altitude information. Anyway at this point, the Boston Center (ZBW)
controllers thought they simply had an emergency... probably a serious one, but none the less just a "normal" event that
occasionally happens.

Apparently a short time after this... one of the flight attendants called her station back at Boston Logan via cell phone, and told
them what was happening. The station then called the tower manager, and the word then cascaded to the facilities with a need to
know. Now NY Center (ZNY) and the NY TRACON (N90) airspace borders that of Boston Center.. and remember the Transponder
was off, so no one knew the plane's altitude... so the watch desk at N90 was told what was happening. Of course, all we knew is
that we had a possible hijacking. We of course were able to track the aircraft with radar. It's speed seemed normal, but we did not
know it's altitude. By it's speed, we assumed that it was holding the altitude it was last seen at, or close to it. Sometime during
this, the 2nd jet departed BOS for LAX. I'm
told it's taxi & departure were also normal, and that at a point after it's departure... it also departed it's scheduled flight path, BUT it
kept it's transponder on. We did not however know for certain if it was also hijacked...you ATC types know what I mean, and I'll not
elaborate here.

Of course, you know how 'trolls are... we all like info. For those who don't know, the watch desk here at N90 is located on a shared
"platform" with the Traffic Management folks which is raised & sits right in the middle of the IFR room. It's easily accessible for all
of us working here, and indeed many of us have to walk up there for APREQ's, TMU releases, etc. during the course of a normal
day. And there are 8-10 of those 22 inch color monitors there, which display all of the flights over the US inbound for the N90 area
major airports. Usually 1 monitor for each of the major airports, and aircraft color coded as to whether they are air carrier, air taxi,
biz jet, & FLIB's.

Now the reason I mention this is because special flights (med evacs, lifeguard flights, SAM, etc.) are displayed a different color
form the rest... and as there usually aren't very many of them in comparison to the others, they stand out to anyone taking a look.

Needless to say, those flights being tracked into our airspace stood out. As such, word got around pretty quickly to everyone on
the floor as to what was happening. 2 probable hijackings in 1 day was news.

So, many of those at work at the time watched the first flight fly down the Hudson River. JFK, LGA, & EWR were told to stand by
to possibly receive a NORDO (no radio) aircraft. The flight continued down the Hudson... still fast... past a "logical" turn point for
LGA... past another turn point for EWR. Now everyone's thinking it might run the Hudson all the way south, and then turn east
along the south coast of Long Island inbound for JFK. Instead, it disappeared at the tip of Manhattan Island. We then heard that it
had hit 1 of the WTC towers. At that point, N90 management went on our highest security status, and within 5 minutes... there
were Nassau County police units securing (blocking) the front gate of our facility.

I arrived just in time to watch the 2nd jet fly in. It was initially at FL240 and doing 480 kts, then began a descent. Most of us
thought that it was possibly a "back-up" in case the first one failed. Initially, it's track seemed to take it far to the south of
Manhattan. There of course many opinions about what this one may do, but many thought that now that the 1st had done it's job,
maybe it's going to land at JFK and then continue on overseas where the highjackers could go home.

However, the speed never decayed. It came on thru 10,000 and never slowed. At the same time, a slow turn to the northwest was
observed. It came on through 5000, speed 490kts. As it neared other aircraft in the area (mainly news & police helos), the
Collision Alert (or Ca-Ca as we call it) started beeping as the computer tallied up speed and altitude parameters between the
various aircraft. Then the Low Altitude Warning started chiming in as the computer calculated the speed and altitude as it related to
the height of terrain & obstacles in the area. Then finally the actual raw radar blip disappeared... the transponder track went into
"coast" mode (which it always does after it loses a transponder signal), and continued north along Manhattan Island for 3 radar
sweeps before it disappeared off of the screen.

Everyone was just pretty much silent for a few seconds, as we all had figured out what had happened, even before the folks in the
break room watching it on TV came running back in and reported it. Of course, the radio frequency's and land lines went into full
fury as everyone in the area reported seeing it. All of the towers were watching along with the tracking they were doing on their
D-BRITE (tower radar scopes). And of course there were still planes in the air to attend to, lining them up for approach. Sometime
during all of this, the EWR-SFO jet also departed it's assigned flight path, but with all of the other "action" going on in the room...
none of us on the floor had any word about it. Of course, the 'trolls at ZNY knew, but it was continuing west. I'm told, (don't know)
that it was initially thought that since the WTC had been hit, that this one might be headed for the Sears Tower in Chicago.

Anyway, the nationwide ground stop was issued sometime during all of this. I'm not sure exactly when, as I was in the break room
watching the TV for a while. Then the EWR-SFO jet turned southeast. When it did and stayed on that rack, N90 was alerted. By
this time, the first of the F-15s began to arrive & hold high altitude over NY, while the last of the airborne aircraft that weren't
diverted away were set up on final. Those flying IFR began landing, and only a few had to be "persuaded" to land immediately by
seeing F-15's on their wing. Some of the calls on the frequency from them were actually quite funny. Anyway, we the began to hear
that the EWR-SFO jet had crashed in either northern MD, or southeastern PA... which of course it did.

Later I saw the radar plots of that aircraft... and it's initial course after the big turn southeast was for DC. Towards the end of the
flight, it made a few turns other turns back & forth within 20 degrees of the "base" southeast course... then looked like it resumed
the "base" course shortly before the crash. Now after hearing the news reports that at least 3 of the passengers were "going to do
something about it", I can only speculate that those minor turns may have been when a scuffle began on the flight deck... but of
course I don't know that

bagpuss lives
29th Sep 2001, 23:09
Ohhhhhhhh :(

I spent part of the afternoon sitting in stunned silence along with a whole host of other colleagues and senior management in one of our rest rooms glued to the live pictures coming out of the US.

There I was reading the local rag quietly when Sky News popped on with the shocking, horrid live pictures and the live footage of the second hit.

Total silence and utter disbelief :(

And I really, truly did not feel like plugging back in after seeing what was going on. Or the next day.

Thanks for that post though. Very interesting in a very sad, depressing and apalling type of way :(

chiglet
29th Sep 2001, 23:34
Esperto
Silly question.
As you are a "retired AA Captain", what on earth were you doing in NYC, at "that time"?

bagpuss lives
29th Sep 2001, 23:38
I think he's quoting someone else Chas and he wasn't actually in the area at "that time"?

That's how I read it anyhow :)

ATC Watcher
30th Sep 2001, 10:53
Extremely interesting post M.esperto. Thanks. Makes us feel it could have ben happening to us in our facility in roughly the same manner.
Interesting is the fact that the 2nd a/c was doing 500 Kts at 5000 ft amid TV, police and others small crafts above the city. It would have been almost impossible to intercept, and even more difficult to shoot down , even if the USAF had wanted to ...

Greebson
1st Oct 2001, 03:19
I really cannot imagine what our fellow controllers in New York and Washington who witnessed these horrific events have gone through. I can only say that, certainly, my thoughts and I imagine those of all of my compatriates in the UK, Europe and the rest of the world are with them; they could not stop it.

[ 30 September 2001: Message edited by: Greebson ]