NEWCASTLE

[Jamesair]

Will there be a team from Newcastle going to the Routes Development Forum in Madrid next week?

If so, has anyone any idea which airlines and routes they will be chasing?

[johnwalton]

Newcastle will certainly be sending a delegation, not sure if anything will come out of it that isn't already in the pipe-line though.

http://www.routesonline.com/lang/english/pdf/routes_airports.pdf

[Joe Curry]

The conference was held in Edinburgh last year and it resulted in a number of long-haul routes from GLA....

Owners BAA pushing that airport as the only viable 'springboard' to
Edinburgh? :*

[GW76]

Owners BAA pushing that airport as the only viable 'springboard' to Edinburgh ?
Yawn yawn yawn...whatever :zzz:

[nef]

The conference was held in Edinburgh last year and it resulted in a number of long-haul routes from GLA....

The Scottish long-haul route announced at the conference last year was EDI-EWR! At least get your facts right if you're going to whinge. :mad:

What has this got to do with new routes at NCL anyway?:rolleyes:

[Jamesair]

I was just wondering if they would be pitching for routes to places such as MILAN.HAMBURG and FRANKFURT and maybe now that Bristol is getting a Continental service to EWR whether they would be pitching for that.

[The_Bean_Counter]

Seems their wish for a Milan route has been granted, Ryanair from February next year

[GrahamK]

Good timings for the new Milan flights, mid-day arrival and departure to/from NCL
Another rumour is Emirates to Dubai(!!!!) According to someone on that other site who supposedly spoke to an EK representative

[Powerjet1]

Understand Wizz are looking at NCL, on similar lines to those recently announced for LPL.

Sure is getting pretty crowded everywhere now.

[Jamesair]

It didn't take long for Milan to come off my wish list for NCL.

Three more routes need to be added to my original list.

CORK, STOCKHOLM and OSLO

[Thomas_Jaeger]

Hapag-Lloyd Express is starting NCL-CGN and NCL-MUC, also EDI-HAM and SNN-CGN.

[CentreFix25]

Love to see it happen, but they don't currently fly to MUC from anywhere (Unless someone knows different!).

[Thomas_Jaeger]

They have released it to the press already:

new routes from Cologne/Bonn:
Rijeka 3x/weekly
Shannon 4x/weekly
Newcastle 4x/weekly

from Hanover
Stockholm Arlanda 3/weekly
Rijeka 2x/weekly
Pisa 3x/weekly
Rome Ciampino 4x/weekly

from Hamburg:
Edinburgh 3x/weekly

Ab München:
Olbia 4x/weekly
Palermo 4x/weekly
Newcastle 3x/weekly

All starting around March 10 with Hamburg-Edinburgh starting December 5 already.

[johnwalton]

Newcastle is listed as a destination on the Cologne/Bonn airport site: http://www.willkommeninkoeln.de/02map/map02e.htm

[10 DME ARC]

Just got my e-mail (uk seems to be 24hrs behind Europe with HLX)
Just as Thomas says Cologne/Bonn & ab Munchen great news for Newcastle coming just after Ryanair's Milan. Lets hope they do as well as Hanover!

Looks like the great facilities at the airport and a recognized name is really paying off.
:)

[johnwalton]

The flights are now bookable on >>>> no they are not! NOT when blatantly advertised on PPRuNe via a website they are not. If they want to advertise here ask for details and costs! Read the rules on advertising right at the head of this forum.

The Hanover flight times have changed, as it seems the Munich flights will be 'W' flights through NCL.

Newcastle-Munich
X3 6571 15:35 - 18:35 Sunday
X3 6571 10:35 - 13:35 Tuesday
X3 6571 07:35 - 10:35 Wednesday

Munich-Newcastle
X3 6570 19:00 - 20:00 Sunday
X3 6570 14:00 - 15:00 Tuesday
X3 6570 11:00 - 12:00 Wednesday


Newcastle-Cologne/Bonn
X3 3571 15:55 - 18:30 Sunday
X3 3571 16:00 - 18:35 Monday
X3 3571 13:00 - 15:35 Tuesday
X3 3571 15:25 - 18:00 Friday

Cologne/Bonn-Newcastle
X3 3570 14:55 - 15:30 Sunday
X3 3570 15:00 - 15:35 Monday
X3 3570 12:00 - 12:35 Tuesday
X3 3570 14:25 - 15:00 Friday


Newcastle-Hanover
X3 4521 20:25 - 22:55 Sunday
X3 4521 15:25 - 17:55 Tuesday
X3 4521 12:25 - 14:55 Wednesday
X3 4521 21:20 - 23:50 Friday

Hanover-Newcastle
X3 4520 14:40 - 15:10 Sunday
X3 4520 09:40 - 10:10 Tuesday
X3 4520 06:40 - 07:10 Wednesday
X3 4520 20:25 - 20:55 Friday

from 27/03/2005

[Jamesair]

Just had a look at HLX winter timetable (correct at 30/9/04).
The COLOGNE service commences on 11th March TUES/FRI/SUN
and the MUNICH service on the 13th March SUNDAYS only then operates as per JOHN WALTON above

[10 DME ARC]

Fly Be should be firming up possible new summer routes soon..........Should give the traveling public of the NE even more choice!:)

[phil_2405]

What routes are flybe considering then?

[transwede]

Apparantly NCL is in the running along with 2 other UK airports for a DXB service, operating atleast 3xweekly. The a/c would have to be a A330.

Excel Airways are also looking at possiblity of starting long haul routes out of NCL to caribbean etc. This is in addition to 2 737 aircraft next summer. The airline obviously thinks very highly of NCL, as do other airlines.

Wonder if Ryan will start any new routes soon? Flybe to SNN, ORK, JER, TLS????

[Jamesair]

In addition to previous posts there will probably be Easyjet aircraft No. 7 with three new destinations plus any odd inward routes that Ryanair may launch.

[10 DME ARC]

I think Easy are planning a little consolidation next year so No 7 could be a while off! Then again you never know with Easy!

Looks like 05 will be the year for other carriers starting routes and what a start!:)

[transwede]

Ok so here's some possiblities for new routes on the scheduled front..

MAD, Oslo, Stockholm, Faro, Athens, Naples, Venice, Frankfurt, Murcia, Toulouse, Shannon, Cork, London City, Jersey, Warsaw, Geneva, Malta or how about some competition on things like Amsterdam or new loco services to Dubrovnik???

And of course a link with NYC......CO come on!

What about expanding charters to africa, long haul to Caribbean, Mexico? Rumour has it Excel are eyeing up possibilities and with a chance of an EK DXB service Newcastle is getting to be a world class airport with a network to rival bigger hubs.

[10 DME ARC]

Nice to see that NCL will have more HLX links than any other UK airport, HAJ, CGN & MUC!:)

[Piltdown Man]

So Ryanair are going to Milan from Newcastle. You have to ask the question, which Milan? Now my money is say it's not the Milan the passengers want to go to, the real Milan ie LIN. Nor do I recon that it will be MXP, but I could be wrong. I'd put money on the cheap option: Bergamo.

[jabird]

Yes, it is their hub at BGY. Easy have dropped several routes from LIN because they can't get the right slots. Forget about serious loco at marble plated MXP!

BGY is one Ryanairport you can't really criticise that much - it's got plenty of facilities, a big mall across the road if your flight's delayed, and is only about 1 mile further out than MXP. MXP may have the "Malpensa Express" train, but that doesn't connect well with the rest of the city, and takes only about 5 minutes less than the BGY bus.

[JKP505]

Apparrently, new charter expansion as well, as follows:

Britannia Airways : Alicante, Arrecife, Bourgas, Corfu, Dalaman, Faro, Gerona, Heraklion, Ibiza Kefalonia, Kos, Larnaca, Las Palmas, Luxor, Mahon, Malaga, Naples, Palma Mallorca, Paphos Pula,, Reus, Rhodes, Tenerife South, Thessaloniki, Varna and Zakynthos.

Excel Airways: Alicante, Arrecife, Chania, Corfu, Dalaman, Funchal, Heraklion, Kos, Larnaca, Mahon, Malaga, Palma Mallorca, Paphos, Rhodes, Santorini, Skiathos, Tenerife, Thessaloniki and Zakynthos.

Islandsflug: Corfu, Heraklion, Kalamata, Kavala, Kefalonia, Kos, Rhodes Samos, Santorini Skiathos, Thessaloniki, Volos and Zakynthos.

Monarch Airlines: See earlier thread.

MyTravel Airways: Alicante, Almeria, Arrecife, Corfu, Dalaman, Faro, Fuerteventura, Gerona, Heraklion, Ibiza, Kos, Larnaca, Las Palmas, Mahon, Malaga, Malta, Monastir, Naples, Orlando Sanford, Palma Mallorca, Paphos, Reus, Rhodes, Tenerife and Zakynthos.

Thomas Cook Airlines: Alicante, Arrecife, Bodrum, Bourgas, Corfu, Dalaman, Faro, Fuerteventura, Heraklion, Ibiza, Izmir, Kos, Larnaca, Las Palmas, Mahon, Malaga, Orlando Sanford, Palma Mallorca, Paphos, Puerto Plata, Reus, Rhodes, Sharm El Sheik, Tenerife, Varna and Zakynthos.

Additionally, flights by other airlines will be served to: Alghero, (BE), Antalya (XQ), Arrecife (FUA), Athens (A3), Bastia (BE), Bodrum (OHY & PGT), Bourgas (BGH), Corfu (A3), Dalaman (PGT), Dubrovnik (OU), Faro (LK & JKK), Funchal (MMZ), Heraklion (VIK), Ibiza (AEA), Larnaca (ZU), Las Palmas (FUA), Mahon (FCA), Malaga (FUA), Malta (KM), Monastir (LBT), Olbia (BE), Orlando Sanford (FCA), Palma Mallorca (AEA, FUA & JKK), Paphos (ECA), Rimini (FLT), Salzburg (FCA & BE), Split (OU), Tenerife (AEA, FUA & LTE), Varna (BGH), Venice (BD), Verona (FCA & AWC).

[Jamesair]

Is the Luxor (BY) in addition to the Sharm El Sheik (TCX)?

[johnwalton]

If it is, it must be as of Winter 05 as there hasn't been an announcement wrt that for next summer. Ditto with Pula (Croatia, BY).

[Sharky12t]

Hi all,

Just signed up and was browsing this thread,

I can confirm that a new/old carrier will be operating out of NCL from 1st Nov.

SAS will restart a daily rotation to CPH.

I think EZY might pe pulling the plug on their flights, that's just a rumor tho.

We don't know what a/c they're going to use yet but i expect it's a Dash-8D.

Later dudes,

Sharky12t

[mmeteesside]

SAS are going to be using a Cimber Air CRJ-200

[10 DME ARC]

Sharky
You've been away a while, Easy have announced the end of the CPH as well as BRS-CPH due to new Danish passenger tax's.
SAS starts end of this month and Easy finish 13th Dec? Just before the GVA starts.

BEE starts EXT & SOU at the end of this month also, together with Easy's sixth a/c going to be a busy winter!
:)

[Sharky12t]

Cheers for the update then guys, we weren't sure what kind of a/c we were getting in the office.

As for FlyBe that's the first i've heard of it and we handle them aswell, I despatched 2 Belfast flights yesterday, one of them in 12 minutes block to block.

Might circulate that rumor when i get back to work on Friday.

[10 DME ARC]

Sharky
Check fly bee web site seats been on sale for months now. Announced last July I think?

:)

[ALLMCC]

Sharky

Just as a matter of interest, any ideas on what size of loads Flybe are getting on the BHD route?

[crewboi83]

JKP505.... thanks for the info but its dont really sound like an expansion to me. I already work at NCL airport and that sounds exactly the same charter programme as this year.
I doubt very much MYT will be doing the NCL-SFB as its been sub leased to MON for the last few years and as they are dropping down to only 1 A320 next summer i doubt you will see the A330 passing throught, from what i hear MON will be doing it again next year.

TCX are not ops the NCL-SSH but BY will be doing it on the 757
BY are also rumoured to b dropping a 757 next year but keep your ears open for that.
I wouldnt b suprised to see Air 2000 (FCA) back anytime soon, they were supposed to be doing SFB on the 767 this year but never come up, but im sure they will b doing it next year.

I dont think Islandsflug are ops out of NCL next year from what i hear but also heard that XLA will be adding a 2nd 738 to NCL as well as possibly doing the odd longhaul. Maybe it will be shared with TCX so might not see a TCX A330 doing the caribbean. Thats what ive heard recently anyway.

[Sharky12t]

ALLMCC,

Most of the flights yesterday were about 40% full, it's the weekend flights that get the higher figures, stag and hen parties.

The 434 and 432 on Sunday were booked 72 and 76 respectivley.

It's quite good fun to be competing with Easyjet for the departure gate, their BFS and our BHD flights are due out round about the same time in the evenings.

So FlyBe are going to be competing with Eastern on the SOU route, good job because Easterns fares are rediculous. I expect they'll both be targeting different types of passenger tho.

Cheers for the heads up.

Sharky

[aeulad]

Have also heard the new Flybe. EXT service's advance bookings are faring better than predicted;)

Regards

Mike

[transwede]

So overall, for once NCL is gaining in services and indeed credibility in the industry, airlines are actually wanting to fly here and expand their presence, actually marketing themselves well enough so people are aware of new flights etc. :O

This year alone, easy have expanded by adding SXF, PMI, NCE and soon to start BUD, FCO and GVA. New charters to greece were added and HLX arrived on the loco scene. Flybe are starting new services to Sou and EXT with more on the horizon. SAS are restarting their old CPH service in place of easy.

Next year (and if some rumours are to be believed) NCL will have extra loco flights from Easy, Flybe and Ryan and the possibility of long haul scheduled services to the US and Dubai(?)!!! It is no secret to airport wants to attract extra scheduled services from both loco and full service airlines such as SAS, Lufthansa etc.

And other airlines are looking..Wizz, Swiss and others.

On the charter front, next season, as well as through the winter new services to Eygpt and the Caribbean will commence, as well as some new european holiday spots.


owever there appears to be a reduction in capacity from some airlines and increase with others. BY are to base just one 757 and share one with Teesside (Sorry Durham Tees Valley International Airport). MYT dropping to just one A320. TCX keeping 2 757 and excel supposedly having 2 737, aswell, according to some sources long haul using their 767 (any ideas where?). Islandsflug will make a return doing a few weekend based flights, as I am led to believe a lengthy contract was signed.

All this aswell as the usual scheduled and charter flights made by non based aircraft, surely passenger numbers are going to rocket at Newcastle. The apron will certainly look crammed with all those nightstopping aircraft.

:ok:

[10 DME ARC]

MYT are reducing a/c to one A320 and BAL has two 757's during the week, one goes to Gatwick over the weekend! Guess lots of sub charters!
MME has a BAL B738 based, nothing to do with NCL. This will mean a reduction of seats on some routes presently done by W ing 757 or 767's!
:)

[irishcc]

During peak summer am sure Travel City Direct will be using the Air Atlanta Europe 747s to SFB also.

[GrahamK]

So are Monarch basing an a/c at NCL then?

[crewboi83]

Monarch dont have a base in NCL its all W patterns
The MON NCL-ALC flight is a MAN based A320 and the SFB positions up from MAN in the morning and back to MAN the following morning.

[CentreFix25]

So are Monarch basing an a/c at NCL then?

Think he is talking about next Summer.

MYT are reducing a/c to one A320

The Airtours Summer'05 brochure has 2 based aircraft. I don't understand the logic of reducing to 1 based aircraft when they are selling holidays enough for 2 aircraft. Subbing out 1 aircraft worth of flying seems strange, where's the saving?, they might as well close the base have bigger savings and sub out the whole lot. Wait and see, might have a based JKK!

BAL has two 757's during the week, one goes to Gatwick over the weekend!

Spot on, one aircraft dissapears Thursday Evening/Friday Morning and returns for Monday flying.

might not see a TCX A330

Same as this year, TCX A330 Thursday to SFB then Friday to POP (think thats the correct code!) MON A330 to SFB on Saturdays and the extra one FCA B763 Sunday.

TCX are not ops the NCL-SSH but BY will be doing it on the 757

Thomas Cook Summer'05 contradicts you. Prehaps BY doing the Winter and TCX doing the Summer?

I wouldnt b suprised to see Air 2000 (FCA) back anytime soon

Same as last year, nothing based - only extra is the SFB.

[HH6702]

Where are you getting this information from about BY and MYT

When looking on the website at the flights they would still need two aircraft.

Or do you know which routes are going to be W's

[johnwalton]

Looking at the Thomson Summer Sun 05 brochure the following weekend flights are non-based:

FRI Corfu
dep NCL 1600
arr NCL 1430

SUN Alicante
dep NCL 1630
arr NCL 1500

There does seem to be an inconsistency in the brochure though as on Friday evenings there is a requirement for 2 based aircraft,

FRI Bourgas
dep NCL 1930
arr NCL 0355 +1

FRI Ibiza
dep NCL 2355
arr NCL 0620 +1

Unless one of these flights is going to operated by the MME based unit?


As far as I can see the MYT flights look like this:

Majorca
Sat 0730 Sat 1400
Sat 1545 Sat 2215
Tue 1335 Wed 1955

Menorca
Sat 0700 Sat 1320

Costa Brava [Gerona]
Sat 1815 Sat 1715
(non-based)

Costa Dorada [Reus]
Sun 0945 Sun 1550

Ibiza
Sun 1900 Sun 2000

Tenerife
Tue 0840 Tue 1830
Fri 1905 Fri 0355

Gran Canaria
Sat 2205 Sun 0815

Fuerteventura
Wed 0700 Wed 1640

Lanzarote
Thu 1555 Fri 0140

Malaga
Sat 1420 Sat 2105
Tue 0820 Tue 1500

Alicante
Sun 0700 Sun 1400
Thu 0525 Thu 1225

Larnaca - op BY

Paphos
Wed 1755 Thu 0430

Faro - op JKK

Malta
Tue 1715 Wed 0120

Bodrum
Mon 1700 Tue 0235

Tunisia
Sun 1700 Mon 0105

Corfu
Mon 0725 Mon 1540

Crete
Tue 0635 Tue 1610

Zakynthos
Thu 1335 Thu 2205

Dalaman
Mon 0600 Mon 1545

Rhodes - op BY

Kos
Thu 0905 Thu 1825

but that info is from the Airtours brochure which tends to differ somewhat from what actually occurs. Seems like a similar programme to this summer though.

[JKP505]

As I stated before there WILL be two MyTravel aircraft at NCL, an A320 and an A321. There are at least 26 confirmed flights by MYT out of NCL that follow a based a/c pattern and a couple of 'W' patterns on that. I assume that the powers that be at MYT are waiting to see where they have demand for flights before adding freq. A very shrewd move in my opinion.

I don't know if any other people have noticed, but the locals seem to prefer destinations in Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey to Spain. Outside London and Manchester, nowhere has, or will have more flights to Greece and Bulgaria than NCL. I think the snap sale of flights to Egypt show a slightly different market than anywhere else in the UK, where Spain is still the tried and trusted. Possibly the only country that is behind the market in the North East is Italy, yet there will be a marked increase in services in 2005.

As it is (or should be) common knowledge that one a/c cannot handle 26 rotations, I don't know where some people work out the scheduling. The (VERY) maximum one a/c could do from NCL, when taking into account longer range Turkey / Greece / Cyprus / Canaries flights is 17 rotations. So that leaves nine to be served without a based aircraft? I don't think so...

Monarch are still keen, even more so considering the collapse of Golden Sun Holidays, given that the tour operator had a relitavely substantial programme from NCL.

Not sure about Britannia's intentions though, I heard that the destinations I mentioned earlier were cast iron, however, their schedule does look different. I wouldn't be suprised if they keep the aircraft intended for LGW at NCL. It would be foolish in the least to remove an a/c from a regional base at probably the most optimum period in a week for filling an aircraft.

I think the 2006 season will see First Choice Airways base or part base an a/c, as the Thomas Cook group apparrently feel they can fill most of their capacity from their own brands. But I do not expect to see FCA at NCL in 2005.

[Jamesair]

I read an article on Emirates in The Times Business Travel supplement this week which said that they are to announce another UK destination very soon....could this be the rumoured NCL service?

Where does the BFS - EWR announcement leave NCL with Continental?

[johnwalton]

I read that and thought the same thing,

Business travel to the Middle East, and to Dubai in particular, is going through the roof. Emirates now runs 11 flights a day out of Heathrow, Gatwick, Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow and will soon announce expansion for next year, which may include another departure aiport.

http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,17471-1290466,00.html


Who would be the other contenders? Surely no Edinburgh with the Glasgow service, nor Bristol or NEMA with the Birmingham service... any ideas?

[jabird]

Surely no Edinburgh with the Glasgow service, nor Bristol or NEMA with the Birmingham service... any ideas?

How much will EK follow CO's pattern? They launched EDI before BRS and BFS, and NCL hasn't got a CO route yet, so wouldn't EDI be more likely? Just how soon is this announcement going to be made - mentions were made about the upcoming Business Travel Ex @ the NEC?

[Jamesair]

I hope you are wrong about Edinburgh and that NCL gets its first truly international scheduled route.

Emirates, or at least Emirates Chief will be familiar with Newcastle because of regular visits by the Dubai Air Wing.

Continental....we will just have to wait and see.

On more mundane expansion matters I have heard rumours of Air Southwest doing a Newquay - NCL - Aberdeen route and EUJet serving Newcastle from Shannon and/or Manston.

[FinalsToLand]

Sharky12T,
As for FlyBe that's the first i've heard of it and we handle them aswell, I despatched 2 Belfast flights yesterday, one of them in 12 minutes block to block.

U cudnt even spin a cherokee in 12 minutes never mind a dash 8!

15 mins and 21 mins if i remember correctly.

F.T.L

[Jamesair]

Another thread on PPrune seems to be suggesting that Belfast Int. will be the next UK point on the Emerates network. I hope that Newcastle is still in with a chance, bearing in mind the subsidies that BFS can offer them (as per Continental)

[HiSpeedTape]

edited for personal abuse.. H

[Kev 1]

Think HiSpeedTape should take a long walk of a short pier

[PapaRomeo]

FTL - i dont think sharky12t is going to give u a reply on that one!!!!:p

[Jamesair]

not quite sure what the last few posts have to do with the subject of the thread? maybe they got in here in error.

[HH6702]

Hi

Where did you read about BY doing Luxor and Pula as you still cant book these flights.

Also Monarch basing at Newcastle with tour operator First Choice and Cosmos using the seats.

When you go onto these operator sites they are still using TCX as the flight codes not MON.

Airtours are going to base just the one aircraft A320 with excel picking up most of the work.

Im not sure if there webside has been updated yet from TBA to which airline it is going to be.

[johnwalton]

When you go onto these operator sites they are still using TCX as the flight codes not MON.

First Choice will be using TCX flights as usual, no sign of a MON based aircraft.

Airtours are going to base just the one aircraft A320 with excel picking up most of the work.

Im not sure if there webside has been updated yet from TBA to which airline it is going to be.

Most of the flights on the website have been updated. Will be 1x Based MYT and 2x XLA aircraft, one of which will operate mostly for MYT. I think MYT are also buying seats on some BY flights (such as Rhodes).


Haven't heard anything about Luxor or Pula.

[Jamesair]

IT charter flights for next summer seem to be much less than this year. Maybe the operators are playing a "wait and see" game.

The Flybe announcement about new routes from Newcastle for next summer should be coming out any time. I understand the new Exeter and Southampton services are performing better than expected with November sales standing at 75% and 80% of capacity

[Jamesair]

A bit ahead I know, but there is to be a new weekly IT charter flight to AGADIR for the Winter 2005/6 season. Travel company is Panorama Holidays

[TOPJET973K]

Hi everybody

I'm sure Mr P would love to fly everywhere from EGNT!

Regards

[GrahamK]

Any more new holiday routes for next year?

[HH6702]

Hi

Where did you read this as there brochure for next winter is not out and ive asked people in the travel agents and they no nothing about this route?

Thanks

[GrahamK]

Excel Airways.com are showing a NCL-Milan Malpensa flight, but no timetable details

[johnwalton]

Panorama (http://www.panoramaholidays.co.uk/) have released their Winter 2005/6 brochures, viewable by e-mail or post from their website. Only departure points for Agadir are LGW and MAN.

[10 DME ARC]

Interesting to see from the Manchester topic Easy rumoured to have asked for slots in Manchester for 2 x day NCL!

Mind you knowing the way Easy and ACL work I am very surprised they have been leaked! Interesting................
:)

[Jamesair]

HH6702

The source was the Newcastle Airport website. It appeared on the day I published on here but disappeared the next day.
What that means is anyone's guess.

[Jamesair]

10 DME ARC

I read that thread about MAN - NCL a later entry showed the times allocated - morning and early evening.

This sounds more like a route for Eastern than Easyjet.

[urdy gurdy]

just sounds like more work to me

[witchdoctor]

Reckon it might work. Saves the charvas taking the stolen, untaxed Nova across the A69 and down the M6 so they can get their cheapo all inclusive in the Dominican Republic. :}

[captainben]

Heehee:ok: :D LOL! Good one witchdoctor!

[Jamesair]

Looking at the Flybe website there is no sign of the promised new routes for summer 2005.

Anyone know whats going on? is an announcement due soon?

[Jamesair]

So far FLYBE have announced a route to JERSEY. 4 flights weekly on TU/TH/SA/SU. Not sure what has happened to the "major" expansion. Hope there are more announcements to come.

[Mooncrest]

Can anyone tell me what sort of pax figures Newcastle gets on Berlin and Copenhagen (is this one still operated ?). Be interesting to see if LBA could sustain flights to these destinations. Thankyou kindly.:ok:

[10 DME ARC]

James
Just to add to the 'massive' flybe expansion!

Southampton has gone to twice daily and the Jersey is in fact 5Xweek, operates twice on a Saturday!
:)

10D

[MerchantVenturer]

Can anyone tell me what sort of pax figures Newcastle gets on Berlin and Copenhagen
Mooncrest

CAA stats for June to October 2004 respectively are:

SXF - 6083 7095 7125 6296 6946

CPH - 6255 7157 7224 6191 6838

Gives an average load factor of between just under 70% and around 80%.

The CPH route is being axed from mid December as is the BRS-CPH route. A pity because the passenger figures seem quite promising.

As for Jamesair's query about Flybe's major expansion at NCL, all I can say is that last year Flybe opened routes from BRS to Toulouse, Bordeaux and Bergerac to go with their already-operating Jersey and Belfast City routes. At that time they said it was just the start of something more extensive.

Nothing further has happened and the pax figures last summer on the French routes especially seemed very good.

Flybe seem to be in a headlong rush to start operations at so many regional airports now that perhaps they have forgotten about some of the others. :)

[GrahamK]

Dont forget that now SAS is operating NCL-CPH so there's no loss of a CPH route at NCL...In fact there wanting to go twice daily on the flights

[Jamesair]

10 DME ARC

I stand corrected....thanks.

I was looking forward to some French destinations though and maybe even Shannon

[10 DME ARC]

James
I think alot of people were!
:)

[transwede]

Once the planned expansion is complete NCL should be able to grow and grow, with the current mix of scheduled, charter and low cost flights. There are many posts on this topic with rumours and possiblities so I thought I'd have my two-penneth on what could work and what is needed at NCL.

New Scheduled Routes to Frankfurt (LH), Zurich (LX), Madrid (EZY), Eastern Europe - Krakow, Warsaw etc (Wizz or Easy), Lisbon, Toulouse/Marseilles, Sched services to Faro, Venice, Athens, Naples, Malta, Cyprus (helios?). New Routes to Scandinavia, Cork, Shannon and of course a worldwide scheduled link to NYC, Dubai....

New charter services to Caribbean, Africa (Agadir, Marrakech, Other coastal resorts in Eygpt), Some italian services (catania, rimini), charter routes to france (sardinia, corsica) or places like croatia...

And what about a year round link with toronto?

Many of the existing flights to some of these places do extremely well on a charter basis, so how about adding scheduled services, introducing new destinations to geordies, afterall new routes to BUD, PRG, Berlin etc have excelled expectations.

:confused: ;) :confused:

[CentreFix25]

I would have thought with their relationship with Newcastle and Birmingham, Flybe would have added this route in competition with Eastern.

Following on from transwede, I would have thought given the large local Jewish population a route to Israel would be viable on a weekly basis?

[Jamesair]

Maybe the new Cork route from Durham/Teesside by BMI Baby will help get somebody interested in restarting a service from Newcastle. It used to have decent loads and must present a good opportunity to somebody....Air Wales maybe!!!!!!

[Charlie32]

Frankly
can't wait till it all goes tits up, and Parkin gets his marching orders, after the way he has treated the aero club. (see post on private flying)
An empire built on sand if you ask me!!

[Northern Hero]

Jamesair

Think you'll find that Air Wales have already chosen MME working alongside WW on the ORK route. Heard they are to operate a Sunday service ex MME.

[Jamesair]

Northern Hero

Oh well, another one bites the dust. Over to Aer Arran then to save the day for NCL.....could they be tempted?

[aeulad]

I don't understand that last post:confused: :confused:

The link is'nt working

Regards

Mike

[10 DME ARC]

I think you will find Air Wales are diven by Baby, they do a few routes out of Cardiff for them, Cork being one of them.

Still, got Munich, Cologne and Milan to look forward to next year and who knows what the new year may bring us??
:)

[nclairportfan]

Personally I would like to see Shannon and Cork launched from NCL. I think they would both be popular.

[nclairportfan]

Is it true easyJet are basing another aircraft at NCL next year?

This was only a rumour I heard so I am not sure if it is true but it would be good to see more destinations from them especially now that Ryanair have confirmed there will be no more routes until after next Autumn at least (with the exception of Milan going double daily if it is successful).

[airhumberside]

Perhaps Aer Arran could do Cork and Ryanair do Shannon in 2006

[nclairportfan]

I hope so Humberside. It would be great for routes other than Dublin to be served from NCL.

[nclairportfan]

Just to let you all know that EUJet have announced a route from Newcastle - Kent International Manston starting 27th March.

[johnwalton]

Yep its 1x daily (excl Sat), mid morning route. Is there a market for Newcastle-Kent?

[nclairportfan]

Convieniant for Eurostar!

[Jamesair]

Only time will tell. To be honest, I didn't think there would be much of a market for the Exeter - Ncl route but, according to Flybe its doing ok.

I had hoped this route would have continued on to Shannon, being the other EU base.

[nclairportfan]

I have wrote to EUJet again today asking if they are planning a route to Shannon. They seem to respond to emails (or they did the last time!). I will let you know if I get a response.

Shannon and Cork routes are much needed at NCL!

[johnwalton]

I can see more reason why NCL-EXT would be working on a low-fare basis as you would be talking 7 hours on the train, and the Cornwall/Devon region is a popular destination for North East tourists.

As for Manston being used for Eurostar, the train probably works out about the same, with no mode changes. The flight including check-in time and baggage collection would be 2.5 hour minimum, plus 30 mins coach/taxi journey to Ramsgate station, 40 mins journey from Ramsgate to Ashford international, meaning a minimum journey time to connect with Eurostar of about 4 hours. The train would take about 5 hours but you would only have to change at Kings Cross and then London Bridge, no coach or taxi. Suppose we'll have to wait and see how it performs.......

[airhumberside]

Personally I wouldn't look for EU Jet to do NCL-Shannon. At SNN they seem to be concentrating on leisure routes, athough perhaps they should make Kent daily. Perhaps Ryanair (although it wouldn't be any time soon) or Flybe if they open an NCL base would be a better bet

[Jamesair]

I just thought that they could have done a morning flight from Manston to Shannon via NCL then a leisure flight from Shannon returning to Manston via NCL in the evening, providing good utilisation for an aircraft.

You are probably correct though and best hope lies with Flybe or maybe Aer Arran.

[HH6702]

I cant see aer arran operating out of newcastle as the airport played them off with ryanair for the dublin route when BA pulled out. I dont think that aer arran will want to help NCL but i maybe wrong!!

[nclairportfan]

That was before the airport was sold though (or some of it anyway!).

I think Aer Arran would only be interested in profits and if they felt the route would be popular then they would do it - as with most airlines.

Perhaps Market Research is required to see what the North East really want as new destinations!

[CentreFix25]

NIA has won another court battle, BP fuel farm to close in March. Rumour is car hire will move to the area vacated by BP and a new hotel will be built where car hire is now.

[HH6702]

BP was going to move anyway to the new bit
Car park was also moving as well as the desks in the termial.

more shops to go there.

[CentreFix25]

BP are not moving, their closing down. New fuel farm will be operated by Swissport.

[nclairportfan]

Yes that's my understanding too centrefix!

[HH6702]

Just to let you know that the following routes have been dropped

Excel Wednesday flight to Kavala
Britannia Thursday flight to EFL

Lets hope there is no more!!

[johnwalton]

EFL is still operating with Kosmar, except it will be a non-based flight on a Sunday arr NCL 0930 dep NCL 1030, it will operate June, July, beginning of August and then again in October. Not sure if that will be Excel or another operator though.

[GrahamK]

I dont think there was going to be an XLA flight to Kavala on a wednesday anyway. Both the based XLA a/c do Flights to Paphos and Rhodes on a wednesday.
I would have thought Kavala would be operated by Islandflug or someone

[HH6702]

The Kavala flight was shown in the Kosmar summer 05 but it is now not shown in the 3rd edition.

The ATH flight has not been shown in any of the brochures for summer 05.

The excel ZTH flight is on the net as leaving at 04:00 on sundays. I think that the Kos and Rhodes will be operated as one flight or one of them as a W?

Hopefully newcastle airport will put some sort of timetable out early in 05!!!! heres hoping..

[GrahamK]

HH6702, look at the Kosmar website, still shows flights from NCl to ATH and all those other bits in Greece

[nclairportfan]

Hi all

Just to let you know that a survey is online about a new route from Newcastle to London City.

You can get more information from the www.newcastleairportfan.co.uk and then click forum. It's in the London City posts.

[transwede]

Rumour has it that easyjet are about to announce 2 new routes from NCL within the next few days. Both to start Summer 2005.

Ibiza and Faro.

Looks like aircraft 7 on its way?

[nclairportfan]

Crikey! Ibiza is an odd destination from easyJet! I would have thought Faro, Madrid and a third destination would be more likely.

[simonwa]

Transwede, where did you get your information from?

Hope it is true, FAO from NCL with EZY would be an excellent addition to the departure boards!

Am a bit surprised about IBZ, would it be summer only?? What would happen in winter??

Normally, EZY announce 3 routes when basing a new aircraft, so I wonder if any of the existing routes will be increased??

[Jamesair]

Sounds good but a/c No. 7 would need three destinations to be properly utilised or maybe a frequency increase on a route already operated.

[witchdoctor]

Great! More destinations for the discerning Charva! Just what we need - more drunken, abusive, shellsuited yobs off for a fortnight's boozing for the cost of a Warren James sovereign ring.

How about some decent routes for 'normal' people? Tallin? Lubljiana (sp?)? St. Petersburg?

[aeulad]

I would think that maybe easyJet will increase Alicante to twice daily this coming summer.

Regards

Mike

[Frankfurt_Cowboy]

Witchdoctor, by "normal people" do you mean ignorant, pretentious bigots with superiority complexes? And one out of three isn't that bad for your spelling.

[FinalsToLand]

Whitchdoctor just think those yobs help pay your wages,

F.T.L

[Jamesair]

aeulad

A second Alicante rotation is in line with my thinking although frequency increases on Bristol and Stansted must be being considered. Traffic on the Bristol route is one of the domestic success stories when you consider the levels under BACX.

[johnwalton]

I can't see BRS or STN increasing, personally. Maybe LGW, as they already fly LGW-EDI 4x daily. Could see ALC go 2x daily over the summer, after all it operates twice daily at the weekends anyway.

[witchdoctor]

Gee, £4.80 an hour. Where do I queue to thank them? :rolleyes:

[Jamesair]

They did try STN at 5 daily for a month but didn't seem to get many extra pax.

It seems that the NorthEast region is to get its own Regional Route Development Fund soon, to be aimed at business routes. This should lead to some interesting new routes.

[GrahamK]

AF are sticking a CRJ-700 onto the 3rd Daily flight from the summer, the AF1172/1173.

[10 DME ARC]

AF are putting CRJ-700 on both middle of the day flights, the nightstopper remaining a E145.:)

[Jamesair]

AF must be holding its own against Easyjet although I suppose they are aiming for the Business/interline market.

[Devonair]

I heard EI are looking at flights to Dublin from NCL. They have decided to re launch UK flights from DUB even with FR competition (as seen at LPL and BRS). A middle of the day flight would be great and well supported I'm sure.

[nclairportfan]

It would mean they could try to obtain a share of the transatlantic market if connections were available to and from Dublin.

[CentreFix25]

AF are putting CRJ-700 on both middle of the day flights
Does this mean Brit Air are going to replace Regional, as they seem to operate the CRJs?

[CentreFix25]

This thread seems to be dropping down the league, so I'll rekindle it:

So what will Summer'05 bring in the way of based aircraft?

2 x TCX 757's
2 x BAL 757's
2 x XLA 737's
1 x MYT A320/1
5 x EZY 737's (or are we up to 6 now?)

care to correct or add....

[johnwalton]

Yep, we're already on 6x EZY 737s, with rumour of number 7 on the way.

Maybe 1x Islandsflug (or someone like that) as well?

[10 DME ARC]

At the moment;

Based IT
2 x TCX B752
2 X BAL B752
1 X MYT A320
3 X XLA 1xB738 2xB734

Sched
6 X EZY (Hopefully No 7 sometime during the summer)
5 X Night stoppers
2 X EZE JS41's

Still plenty of time to change thou.........

:)

[captainben]

Allegedly, Newcastle are getting TF-ELJ again this year, which is now with Excel Airways and has just been repainted into a new Excel livery. This will mean 1x Excel 737-800 and 2x Excel 737-400's (not sure where the other one's coming from) based at NCL this year to cover for the My Travel losses.

[GrahamK]

Should be 2 XLA 738s with the HH/XLA 734 doing some flighs on 3 or 4 days a week??!!??

[Jamesair]

Not exactly a "new route" but according to BA timetables the Newcastle - Heathrow route is expanding from 6 to 7 daily for the summer season.

[CentreFix25]

Reports elsewhere say XLA to have a 737-800 based along with TF-ELJ and 767-300 3-4 days to do SFB and Puerto Plata.

[10 DME ARC]

You don't get out much.......been seven since early December!
:)

[GrahamK]

Onur Air sending in an A300 on the Sunday Night Dalaman this year

[ric180880]

I've heard on the grapevine that Britannia is to base a 762 at NCL along with a 757 that will be based Mon - Fri, and then go to STN for the weekend.

[crewboi83]

CentreFix25.... where u get your info on XLA long haul?
Just curious as I had a job interview with them last week and they said no long haul routes from NCL. However I have been told by a employee of TCX they are not doing NCL-SFB this year but sub letting it to XLA on the 767!!!

[CentreFix25]

http://www.newcastleinternational.co.uk//DestinationsMap_NAmerica.aspx

Click on Puerto Plata or Sanford.

[10 DME ARC]

The POP & SFB are not crewed from NCL, NCL being a 73 base and the long haul being done by a LGW based B763.
:)

[crewboi83]

Gutted!!! Britannia was always a 75 base as was Air 2000 and they always crewed the 767 when it called in to do the NCL-SFB's!
Thats a shame! was hoping for some nice long haul lol

[redfield]

Witchdoctor - 4.80 an hour??? I was paid that for doing your job several years ago! Who's your Union Rep??? :confused:

[witchdoctor]

I suspect it's the sinister cigar-smoking guy in the long, black limousine, who hangs out with a number of very large ugly blokes. :D

[urdy gurdy]

aye hes mine as well

[crewboi83]

JamesAir..... BA is already up2 7 a day on the NCL-LHR route.
The BA1328/BA1329 ops but has very low loads usually about 40-60 pax and is only ops so BA can keep their slots out of LHR so i've been told

[nclairportfan]

Do we think there will be any new routes from NCL this year?

[GrahamK]

flyBe to Norwich would be the obvious one I think

[MerchantVenturer]

I flew from Bristol to Newcastle and back yesterday and was impressed with the departure area at NCL. Plenty of space and a decent selection of refreshment areas airside.

The easyJet NCL-BRS route seems to be a real winner. Is there another one between two English provincial cities with so many pax?

I flew up on the first flight of the day and returned on the last. There were few unoccupied seats both ways and this on a Tuesday in January.

The latest available CAA stats for domestic routes are those for October and show over 21,500 people flew the route that month, an average load in the very high 120s (or around 87% of the 737-700's seating capacity).

Out of interest I tested the booking site for the rest of the week and found that for tomorrow on the BRS-NCL sector only the early (0835) flight is available, presumably the two later north-bound flights already being sold out. On Friday the early flight appears to be sold out. This is an assumption I admit, but why otherwise would they be not available to book?

I have to commend the cabin staff on both sectors yesterday for their cheerful and friendly efficiency on such short flights. I had my morning tea and muffin without any feeling of being rushed. Check-in and boarding at both ends were simplicity itself and very civilised. No-one appeared to try to jump the priority boarding queue system either.

Well done to everyone and long may it continue.

[Jamesair]

MerchantVenturer

Good to read your posting, it shows what can be done with a route that was just ambling along when operated by BACX then along comes Easyjet and the whole thing becomes the stuff of aviation folklore with loads that most airlines can only dream of.

I haven't seen any figures yet but I suspect the same thing might happen on the NCL - SOUTHAMPTON route, especially this summer when Flybe double the frequency. Anybody heard how it's doing?

[GrahamK]

Think I read somewhere (might have been here on Pprune) that average loads for both the flyBe flights to EXT and SOU were in the high 80%-low 90% range

[nclairportfan]

Yes, apparantely loads for Southampton and Exeter have been really good to date.

[The Great Unwashed]

Good show. Flybe are commencing LBA to SOU and EXT in the spring with WOW doing BRS, NQY and PLH (Plymouth ?). I hope these are as successful as the Newcastle routes, if not more so ;)

[Jamesair]

I hope so, my only reservation is that Exeter, Plymouth and Newquay are all a bit close together. Are their enough pax to go round?



There are rumours about that WOW might operate to NCL from Newquay as part of an ABZ route.

[aeulad]

There is certainly a market for low fares NCL-ABZ. Flybe. are the most likely carrier as far as I can see.

Regards

Mike

[CentreFix25]

Said it before and i'll say it again, 'Flybe obviously get on with and get good deals off both NCL and BHX, low cost flights between NCL and the second city will work'

[nclairportfan]

I completely agree. There is an untapped market at Newcastle for reasonably priced flights to Birmingham, Norwich and Aberdeen on the domestic side and, of course, take your pick of regional french destinations. I suspect if flybe don't offer these soon, another competitor will try - seems logical.

Craig
www.newcastleairportfan.co.uk

[emiratesdxb]

Apologies if this is running off present topic,but I saw this advert in Friday 28th edition of the Daily Express:

New York (Its a wonderful Town)

3 night/5 day breaks departing in March, April, May, October, November and December 2005 and January to May 2006.

Flying from London Heathrow, Manchester, Birmingham. NEWCASTLE & Glasgow.

Price includes : Return scheduled flights to New York from the choice of UK airports above etc,etc,etc.

Now I know Heathrow, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow have direct flights, but not so with Newcastle, so are we about to get an annoucement??????

[nclairportfan]

There has been nothing announced yet about a direct service. It could just be scheduled flights connecting in London, Paris or Amsterdam though.

Craig
www.newcastleairportfan.co.uk

[Jamesair]

I haven't heard of any prospective New York scheduled service out of NCL in 2005, a possibility exists for 2006. I suspect the flights in the advert will be on BA via HRW.

[GrahamK]

Apparently Air Malta will launch a 1 x weekly scheduled flight to Malta in the summer, in addition to their charter flights.

[johnwalton]

The Thursday evening service is already shown on the Air Malta timetable (http://www.airmalta.com/page.jsp?id=70&siteid=1), the flight that arrives NCL 2145, and leaves NCL at 2230. Aren't they just going to sell the extra seats on this flight?

[Kev 1]

According to the website, the flight is KM248/9, and the current Air Malta arrival on Thursdays in KM 5182/3 according to Belle Air, think its two seperate flights....

[johnwalton]

It's listed as a Scheduled flight on the NCL airport website (http://www.newcastleinternational.co.uk//DestinationsMap.aspx) as well, with the 5182/3 times being the same as the 248/9 times. Looking at the Belleair site though, the times listed there are slightly different.

[GrahamK]

KLM used a 737-900 into NCL yesterday - a first visit of the type

[Jamesair]

The KM248/9 Thursday flights seem to be a scheduled service on the Air Malta timetable valid 5th May - 27th Oct.

Bellair Holidays is a subsidiary company of Air Malta so an allocation of seats on the scheduled flight would not be out of the ordinary.

[FinalsToLand]

jamesair,

I haven't heard of any prospective New York scheduled service out of NCL in 2005, a possibility exists for 2006. I suspect the flights in the advert will be on BA via HRW.

Wheres HRW??

F.T.L

[emiratesdxb]

Wheres HRW??


I think he probably means LHR.

[Jamesair]

correct.....sorry about that folks

[Jamesair]

According to this weeks CAA Air Transport licencing notices,

Northumbria Helicopters have made an application for a Type "B" licence.


(Information for the Helicopter guys reading this thread)

[johnwalton]

Believe that is so they can operate pleasure and charter flights?

[MerchantVenturer]

Think I read somewhere (might have been here on Pprune) that average loads for both the flyBe flights to EXT and SOU were in the high 80%-low 90% range
GrahamK

The CAA stats for November have now been published and show that 3646 pax used the Flybe NCL-EXT route that month.

I believe there is a daily rotation, including Sats and Suns. Assuming the service ran for the whole of November this gives an average load of just under sixty-one, or just under 80% of the Dash -8- 400's capacity. An excellent start and in November!

6859 pax flew the NCL-SOU route in November but I believe that two airlines operate this route so it is not possible to work out average loads for either.

21289 pax flew the NCL-BRS route in November all of course with easyJet so one can see the average loads were nearly 124, or about 84% of the B 737-700's capacity.

There certainly seems to be a great affinity between the Newcastle area and the southwest/south coast, so why not Newquay as well as someone else suggested in this thread? :)

[crewboi83]

RE the KLM 737-900
It was a one of unfortunatly....... The earlier KLM flight had a tech problem and there was a lot of passengers to be rebooked, to the earlier flight was combined and KLM sent in the 737-900 to operate both flights on th 1 a/c.... so sorry to say its a 1 off...
Although rumour has it KLM will close its base in NCL within the next 18 months.... KLM will drop to only 3 dailys NCL-AMS's services all ops by the 733/734

[aeulad]

3 daily 733/734s. Rubbish. The only way this would be possible is if easyJet come in on the route, otherwise 3 73s a day would simply not meet the demand, not by a long way.

Regards

Mike

[Jamesair]

With over 21,000 pax per month why on earth would they even consider that option.

KLM depends on their feeder traffic from the UK to fill their Longhaul flights.

[CentreFix25]

I agree with the two above, believe it when i see it!

[nclairportfan]

I hope there will be more expansion from flybe at NCL.

I think flybe. clearly have Eastern in their sites. As well as lower fares you also have to consider that for those prepared to pay higher fares with flybe. (Business Travellers) do get access to Executive Lounges at most airports = something Eastern don't offer on any fare!!

If the times are right they will attract business travellers. I would love flybe. to start more routes from NCL such as:

INV
NWI
Double daily EXT (we already have a single rotation)
BHX
ABZ

and of course some regional French destinations would be immensely popular.


Craig
www.newcastleairportfan.co.uk

[PapaRomeo]

with regards to the above on the ams route, crewboi is correct. Just before xmas the cabin crew all received letters informing them that the crew base was closing due to the reduction of services and the transfer of the routes to the 737 mainline fleet!

[CentreFix25]

A posting on 'north east aviation enthusiasts' has VLM starting a 3x daily NCL-London City at the end of March.

[nclairportfan]

Nothing official yet though - don't count chickens until they hatch as they say!!!

[CentreFix25]

Nothing official yet though - don't count chickens until they hatch as they say!!!

I'm not counting my chickens, just posting a rumour. Whats the point of your posting?

[crewboi83]

REF The KLM 737
Im not posting this as a RUMOUR its true.... KLM CityHopper are to close bases at NCL/BHX/MAN/EDI and GLA! you ask all the people at these bases who will be looking for new jobs soon!
They are to focus on smaller bases such as MME/HUY/EMA with the fokker fleet and use the 737 on the bigger airport.... this has been very sucessfull at ABZ hence them closing the base.
I sit on that KLM check in a regular basis and the laods arnt FAB! only the 1st one of the day and the 4pm service and thats about it!
Give it about 18 months and the base will be closed. KLM CH have stopped recruiting at these bases and they are just w8ing for the numbers of crew to drop and then when there is only a handfull left they will close the base.
Origional plans where to use 733/734 on 3x daily rotations to AMS which would in fact cover the total daily loads of all 5 fokker 70/100 rotations. there is mention of a 4th daily service if the 3 daily ones are filled enough.

[LBA]

Sorry to take it off NCL, but will LBA remain a base?

Thanks.

[Sharky12t]

I'll be happy to see the back of the F100's after the last coupla months i've had with them, I know the 70's were a pain in the ass for trim sometimes but I'd take a 70 over a 100 anyday if i want the flight to actually operate, even one of the dutch KLC crew was saying how they never have any problems with the 70's but the 100's are always going tech.

Have to revise them 5* messages again.

[airhumberside]

Could this mean more flights to HUY and/or Fokker 100s to HUY

[aeulad]

Crewboi83. a) you are not crew
b) KLM do not fly to EMA.

I would not be surprised if KLM dropped the schedule to 4 daily, but a reduction to 3 daily is unlikely, and not just in my eyes.

Guess we will see

Regards

Mike

[PapaRomeo]

sharky

you'll have to remind me too on that 5* s**t. Give me a BA 320 anyday!

[Sharky12t]

Actually the messages are OK, I just always forget the sodding LMC form at -2.

[crewboi83]

Mike.... not that I have to explain myself to the likes of you but I am crew..... took part time hours to help out the airline i work for, so took my old check in job back part time also to keep my wages up to what i was used to. however will be going to a new airline FULL TIME.... so technically I AM CREW!!!

[Jamesair]

I suppose it's a logical swop from City Hopper to KLM mainline and with larger aircraft they can maintain the same capacity with fewer flights. Sorry about the base closing and the job losses though.

With Newcastle in the top 10 UK airports- pax-wise, the airport is getting recognition as a large airport warranting mainline service.

[GrahamK]

Summer AMS looks like 4 Daily F100s and a Daily F70
AF CDG has 2 Daily CRJ-700s and a Daily ERJ145
BA LHR 7 Daily (4 x 757, 2 x 320 and 1 x 319)

[10 DME ARC]

Graham
KLM are planning 1x737, 1xFK70 & 3xFK10. The 73 coming back on the first morning arrival.
BA at the moment have 6x 757 and 1 A319 for the summer, however with BA this could change!
:)

[nclairportfan]

Look as though the London City rumour was fiction Click here to find out more! (http://www.newcastleairportfan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19)

[10 DME ARC]

I don't think its purely a NCL problem. The main obstacle to any new routes from LCY is peak period slots due parking. I believe one new stand is being built now but who gets the slots and for which routes who knows???
:)

[TOPJET973K]

Hi guys

What's the gossip/rumour regarding EU JET starting a Manston - Newcastle rotation in March?

Cheers

M

[GrahamK]

Was announced before Xmas, 1 daily F100. Flight numbers are something like VE362/363

[crewboi83]

Any1 know who is handling EU JET at NCL?

[GrahamK]

No idea, but just seen on local news that their was another near miss involving an RAF jet and a plane flying from Leeds Bradford to Aberdeen near Newcastle

[CentreFix25]

My parents got confirmation of their June flight to Kefallonia:
BD Flight No. dep 15.45 return 14.45, looks like another BMI Airbus to look at.

[HH6702]

What day of the week is that BD flight?
wonder which tour operator is using that flight as it is not shown on the summer guide.

[jabird]

Graham K, wasn't Mr Blair passing through LBA today - would he have any kind of jet escort, or would this be totally unconnected. And just how "near" was this "miss"?

[CentreFix25]

HH6702, Its a Sunday with Olympic Holidays. Not sure if this is replacement for, or in addition to the XLA(Sunday) flight.

[HH6702]

centrefix25

lets hope it's a second flight if not we only have one this year

[johnwalton]

Unfortunately, it is the Kosmar/Olympic flight that was due to be operated by XLA. The flight numbers are BD7673/4.

[CentreFix25]

XLA must have got somewhere better to go instead!?!

[Britannia]

There's no Kefallonia XLA flight on thier website now.

Chris

[johnwalton]

It was always going to operated by a non-based XLA aircraft anyway, so it won't affect the NCL-based schedules.

[Jamesair]

Still nothing from Easyjet about a/c no 7. Has anyone heard talk about when this might happen or routes to be launched?

New operators/route rumours seem to have gone very quiet lately

[witchdoctor]

Hot favourites amongst the crews seem to be IBZ and FAO, but some disagreement on a third new destination.

[airhumberside]

Could Madrid be this 3rd destination?

[Jamesair]

FAO/IBZ and MAD sounds about right to me, unless they go for a frequency increase on Alicante instead of a third destination.

A further point about IBZ is that it is very seasonal so they would have to drop it from the winter schedules and replace it with another route...they seem to like year round routes. Nice and Palma were split 4/3 days to cover the weeks utilisation this winter but not dropped.

[nclairportfan]

Was rumours a little while ago about EZY doing AMS too - not sure about it myself.

[TOPJET973K]

Crewboi83:

Literally just spoken to a despatcher and Swissport will be the handling agent for EU Jet - this is good, I find out the EU Jet rumour is true AND who is handling it all in one day!

Cheers

[HH6702]

Easyjet 7th Aircraft

I have heard that the above will be arriving in MAY.


Kosmar 2006 .......

I know it's a little early but ive heard that they are going to add turkey, bulgria and egpyt from newcastle for 2006.
Wonder if this will be excel flights?

[crewboi83]

Thanks TopJet! good handling agent them!!
Hope the Kosmar flights go to Excel, don't think it will be long before they open a year round base! saves me looking for a job in the winter anyway!

[johnwalton]

ive heard that they are going to add turkey, bulgria and egpyt from newcastle for 2006.
That would be strange, as Kosmar don't operate to Turkey, Bulgaria or Egypt. Could be Cosmos though, because they do.

[Jamesair]

HH6702

Easyjet a/c 7.....sounds good, that means we should get an announcement any time during the next couple of weeks then.

[Topjet]

good handling agent them!!

Thought you would say that, working for swissport. Only thing i could compliment swissport on is their baggage handling side of things, very fast and efficient. As opposed to Servisair who only seem to care about their easy contract at the moment so no wonder no new airlines go to them and contracts are being lost.

On another note, just saw the Mytravel programme for this year, going to be busy for them, however on certain days there should be sufficient time between aircraft rotations (mainly at night) so if things do go wrong such as a delay, they shouldnt take too long to get back on track. Pity only the one a/c this year!

Topjet :ok:

[GrahamK]

Keep the good news coming :ok:

Glad to see that this thread, unlike others, hasnt turned into a slagging match . Keep it up :ok: :E

[HH6702]

I know someone how works for kosmar and they will be adding these routes for 2006 may not be newcastle but kosmar really does support newcastle as a point to fly.

Libra never did turkey until this summer.

Excel winter base

They are hoping to base aircraft at newcastle for the winter season but upto now they need some work.

Maybe Mytravel will pull out in winter and let excel pick up the work??

Kosmar will be adding flights in winter also.

[crewboi83]

Topjet its not just the baggae handling thats good, but the customer service is better to! I done a flight the other day and was sharing a gate with EasyJet and the way the staff talked to a few passengers.... I felt embarrased for her!!! I might not be the best but i certainly know where to draw the line, as do a lot of girls/guys at Swissport.
Besides, I can name 2 airlines that left servisair purely on grounds that the customer service was crap (Widero and KLM CH)

Shame to see MYT down to 1 a/c..... hope XLA open a winter base though, bout time we had more than 3 or 4 perm airlines with staff based in NCL!!!!

[GrahamK]

Nobody heard of anything else?
Perhaps easyJet may consider going 2 Daily to CDG?

[HH6702]

Easyjet.

Maybe they will add shannon or cork!!!!!

We will have to wait and see remember who would have thought budapest would have worked out of newcastle??

I didn't it suprised me but the loads on this route are good so come on easyjet lets give us another suprise!!

[a bristolian]

NCL's loads for easyjet routes are good but on every route a certain South West airport is better - check out the CAA reports to see for youself!!

[GrahamK]

a bristolian, lets just be happy to see 2 UK regional airports doing well instead of turning this into a my airport is better than your, because after all NCL is still busier than BRS, check out the CAA reports for yourself :ok: :E :)

[Jamesair]

Valencia or Ljubiljana could be in the frame for Easyjet. In the old Yugoslavia days, Yugotours used to carry a lot of people from Newcastle to the various resorts. Valencia is becoming very popular.

[PapaRomeo]

Just to confirm FCA will be operating a sun SFB throughout he summer starting from the 8th may! Flight nos FCA006/007 aircraft 767-300. Air Scandic will also be doing the SFB again during JULY and AUGUST on a 757-200. MON are doing a sunday faro in addition to the normal SFB and ALC flights. BA / Eastern Airways / KLM operating the same programme as the winter but with various change in some flight timings and the return of the 737 on the KLM957/958!

[CentreFix25]

Sat ALC doesn't seem to be operating, according to the airport website.

[Call Established]

TF-ELJ and TF-ELY will be the NCL HH based units together with an Excel unit. Both TF acft in Excel colours ELJ already in Excel colours

[World Traveller]

Ah good to see the kids of Newcastle have found yet another forum to get unnecesarilly excited on. A weekly charter to Sanford? WOW! Whatever would they have made of Air 2K 757s operating a full summer season from Newcastle to Montego Bay and Bridgetown???

WT

[GrahamK]

I believe the FCA SFB flight may be fortnightly

[johnwalton]

I believe the FCA SFB flight may be fortnightly It is.

[tyne]

Ncl-lcy
I've noticed there is no scheduled service from Newcastle to London City.

It'd be very useful for me.....and a lot of people I've talked to working in the NE - with company HQs in London..

Anyone know of a reason why no airline's picked up on what to me seems like a decent business opporunity?

Cheers

Dan.

[nclairportfan]

There has been lots of speculation that this route will be coming, on my website (in the forum) and on lots of forums. Noone yet operates this route and I think it would be hugely popular too.

[Maude Charlee]

Understand VLM have confirmed this route will operate. I'm sure the wise sages with all the necessary breakdown of times/frequencies will be along shortly.

[nclairportfan]

There has been no official announcement that i'm aware of.

[captainben]

Just wait and see, there could well be a one soon.;)

[Jamesair]

Both airports seem to want the route. Lets hope the news is announced soon

[aeulad]

VLM have been contacted, the NCL-LCY is NOT planned by VLM.

Regards

Mike

[HH6702]

i have heard that eastern would like to do NCL-LCY.



As for Air 2000 doing other routes that would be really good.

Maybe if operators didn't canx new routes before they start we may have extra long haul routes as the public would then book.
What is the point of booking a holiday to cancun than at xmas the tour operator turns around and says because we dont have 80% full we pull the flight all together. Why cant they not just re-route it through another airport like MAN or LGW????

I can see long haul routes starting soon as tour operators are looking at pulling out of short more and adding more routes from local airports instead of manchester or gatwick all the time.

[Speedtape]

Whatever would they have made of Air 2K 757s operating a full summer season from Newcastle to Montego Bay and Bridgetown???
Ahh yes, the good old days before the advent of sleazyjet:ok:

[captainben]

Announced this morning in the Journal:
Businesses in the North are closer to the capital with the launch of a new private charter plane service linking Newcastle and the centre of London.
Air Charter operator Centreline announced yesterday that it had gained a licence to fly aircraft in and out of London City Airport, based at Canary Wahrf. The flights take one hour and 24 minutes and will see the industry and business commuters transported in modern seven-seater Kingair turboprop planes.
Centreline managing director Philip Brockwell said: "Clients can choose when they want to depart and return and because check in and check out times are so quick, be in the air within 10 minutes of arriving at the airport.
At London City Airport, we will arrange transport to and from their next meeting if required."
Chartering a plane can be cheaper than paying for accomodation and losing staff productivity.
Mr Brockwell also said: "We can also livery the craft with corporate branding if required, arrange fo in-flight refreshments and any other facility requested by our clients."

[Jamesair]

Interesting though this charter operation is. I doubt if this is the service most users are looking for, i.e a several times daily scheduled service for individual passengers.

I can't believe that this is the forcast announcement that most people were waiting for.

VLM seems to have denied it, that still leaves Eastern or even BA who I read plans to base another a/c at LCY in April.

[aeulad]

More good news!!!

Flybe is to operate their daily Exeter schedule with a 146-200. They will also operate the PM SOU departure with the 146-200!!!

More seats available from Flybe!

Excellent news!

Regards

Mike

[Jamesair]

Great news.

Pax figures must be holding up during the winter and advance bookings must be looking healthy.

Must encourage Flybe to look at new routes from NCL

[aeulad]

Flybe need to do Birmingham, Norwich and Aberdeen from NCL!

Regards

Mike

[johnwalton]

I notice that Eastern are starting a direct rotation between ABZ and SOU from next month, is this going to mean a reduction in T3 flights operating ABZ-NCL-SOU?

[GrahamK]

I believe the new T3 ABZ-SOU route is in addition to the current flights