Recruitment Agencies - stick to secretaries

[TERRIE]

I think that Recruitment Agencies are pretty much a waste of space.
However it seems that they are playing a bigger and bigger role in the strategy of our airlines.
I would be interested to hear of any opinions on agencies, who's good, who's not and whether they are actually worth talking too?

[126.9]

:) I think loud-mouths with over-inflated opinions on their first posts are just a waste of space! I'm employed by a fantastic agency, and they serve me well. Thanks Airline Appointments! :D


;) Edited for absolutely SAD spelling :D

[ 03 August 2001: Message edited by: 126.9 ]

[TERRIE]

May be a first time Pruner, but not exactly wet behind the ears PIC thanks.

[PENNINE BOY]

Worked for various agencies good working conditions,lots of dosh!Freedom to foxtrot oscar when ever you want.

The best of the bunch is PARC AVIATION!!!

[777AV8R]

Euro-Pacific for those who are dealing with the big carriers. First class operation. Best pay in the industry. BUPA Gold Worldwide card...in my pocket as we speak. Excellent loss of license. If it weren't for the agencies, many would not be employed.

If you are looking for a job, they are the guys to see.

Anyone need more info: [email protected]

[126.9]

Terrie;

Nobody said you were wet behind the ears. But an opening line like, "...I think that Recruitment Agencies are pretty much a waste of space." when you MUST know that there are a lot of agency pilots hanging out here... well, let's face it; that's just plain stupid now isn't it?

[A7E Driver]

126.9 I thought we agreed to take prisoners on this mission?

[Basil]

Terrie stated an opinion which IMHO was milder than many of the rants I've read on this BB; rather more than I can say for some of the responses.

[126.9]

:D :D Yes folks; I must apologise for my behaviour: but I am softening up a little in my old age. :D :D

Take No Prisoners

(Edited for Absolutely Trash Spelling!)

[ 04 August 2001: Message edited by: 126.9 ]

[RT]

I guess the rest of us had better sign up for the Pprune Training course before we make our posts! :)

[exrotarybooty]

Terrie
Welcome to the forum, although you must feel it's welcome to the arena! Sorry you were savaged so badly, so early, but there are certain people who go by numbers as they obviously have trouble spelling words! May your future posts be received with consideration and humour. ;)

[Leviathan]

First rule of Fight Club....er Pprune.

[suddentwang]

Terrie,

I am launching into the "forbidden zone" from a secure airline position with Euro Pacific. The amount of emails and regular information from them has been brilliant. I've spoken to a lot of guys around in the contract jobs, and those contracted to EPAIL are the most content and secure. PARC enjoys a good reputation as well. They've been doing it the longest.

[lostinBRU]

Come on Terrie, are you a wind up merchant or does your post have a personal agenda?

We would love to hear you expand on the reason for your post. 126.9 wasn't far from the mark. With a cryptic, unjustified opening remark like that, your claim to be worldly wise doen't wash.

I speak as a very happy (3year) Parc employee who would love to hear other peoples take on this subject.

Have a good day. :cool:

[126.9]

Terrie

Yes, I apologise for the lashback; sincerely! exrotarybooty is absolutely correct about the numbers thing: I'm having difficulty maintaining proficiency in 4 languages. :D

[yaw]

If you have merchandise to sell why would you want a middleman for.
Is it not a sensible way to buy / sell direct from the factory.
Can we not do with out a car dealer / Pimp / sells agent / employment agencies/ etc.
Some one is paying these guys for their services, so one of the parties is losing on the deal.
Are you catching the drift?
Now why would some one be interested in a middleman? Just to name a few
Flight Safety/Korea instructor deal. Tax dodging for both parties under the independent broker scam or any other contracts that offshore banking is used for salary payments.

Airlines are no longer required to comply with the local labor law; You are at the mercy of the upper management. Applicable to most Japanese contracts. Asiana / Korea / Vietnam /etc.

Who are you going to sue if something goes wrong? There is nothing in writing with the
Airline. The Agency's contract that you have signed and agreed with will leave you no
room to maneuver, you have no chance to bring a successful law suit to the court,
remember they have been doing this for a long time and they know all the ins and outs,
otherwise they wouldn't have lasted in the business.
Have you ever read the fine prints on ISCO/Hawaiian/Airline Appointments/ or the famous letter of consent for PARC?
What Parc intend to do is against the privacy information act and that is why they are asking you to wave your right.


Letter of Consent

The applicant hereby acknowledges that:

As part of its pilot selection process, Parc Aviation routinely conducts a check of
information provided in employment application, which may include licenses, flight
experience, prior employment history, accident and incident records, criminal records,
police records, etc.

This letter authorises Parc Aviation to request and obtain information regarding any or
all of these records from any government agency, or prior employer. By signing in the
space below, the applicant acknowledges his awareness of this process and will hereby
waive any right of claim with respect to the request, obtain and release of above
information against Parc Aviation, its employee and any related persons.

A photographic copy of this authorisation bearing a copy of the applicants signature
may be deemed equivalent to the original and may be used as a duplicate or original.

Sincerely,


Applicant:
______________________________________________
Print Name


Applicant:
______________________________________________
Signature (Full Name)

Nationality:
______________________________________________


Passport No: ______________________________________________


Date: ______________________________________________


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[fullforward]

Yaw,

Congratulations! The most clever, wise and to the point post on this topic.
As for Parc specifically, they are very nice and helpful...until something goes wrong, when they just kiss goodbye and turn back at you.
I know about several qualified and seasoned professionals that dared to adventure at a contract with Asiana. They leave secure jobs on their countries, went to Seoul, did a lot of "trainning" and checks and after some months were unjustifiably fired, causing a traumatic disruption on both their professional and personal lifes. This because Asiana evaluation system is a joke, there is hardly something more unfair and whithout any reasonable criteria.
What goes on there is an accomplished example of complete lack of professional respect.
Parc should have at least warn prospective applicants about the trap where they are setting in, on Parc's reputation own benefit.
Be careful.

[LargeJet]

To 126.9 and others - when you say that the pay and conditions etc are good what exactly do you mean? This is a genuine enquiry I'm interested to know what you guys do. what about types that you operate? Contract lengths, where are you based etc.

[126.9]

Yaw(n)

Problem: You have a hang-up about working for an agency.
Solution: Don't work for an agency.

I don't know if it gets any simpler than that?

Working for an agency suits me (and has for the last 3 years) because I can sign up to fly for 6 months at a time without any long-term commitments. When my 6 months are done, I usually don't work for between 2 and 6 months, depending on what plans I have. In doing so, I also don't end up p!ssing employers off by changing jobs every 6 months and thus screwing up their planning, or running out of options after a while.

The people that employ me short-term are happy to have me because I don't whinge about every little problem that surfaces. I come to work, do my job and buzz-off home at the end of the season. I don't sue for unfair dismissal when the contract runs out or into trouble, and I come back next year when they need me again.

That's fair enough, I believe.
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LargeJet
I won't give you cash numbers over here, but your best bet (if it suits you) is to contact the older, established agancies. I'm sure you'll know who they are. If you do take up a contract, remember the fine print is alway negotiable! I'm operating the Classic at the moment, but I'm sure you should find lots available on your more modern type. Good luck.

[TERRIE]

126.9 - Starting with a brash comment is a good way of getting interest, and subsequently the truth! I appreciate you comments, as I do everyone elses, surely didn't want to start an international incident!
At the end of the day however, every recruitment consultant is thinking of his/her bonus as opposed to the welfare of the pilot and airline concearned.