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21st Jul 2004, 19:02
A Spanair plane had an engine fire in Alicante but they were making a flight for Air Europa. They had the engine feilure after take off so the return to Alicante airpot. The were doing Alicante -Mallorca. That happened tody at 12.

21st Jul 2004, 20:25
There really is no need for some of the pathetic replies that get posted when there's a go-around / engine fire / tailscrape etc etc etc.

If someone posts a fact OR rumour, then by all means join in if you've got more info. But sarcastic comments, and slagging people off, is bang out of order.

I for one think that there's a place for ALL aviation incidents on these excellent forums. How do you think that aviation became safer than ever?? By learning from faults and mistakes, and making every effort to stop them from happening again.

So, I'm sure that there's plenty of aviation professionals who read these pages who are interested in every occurance. I may be a humble pax myself, but I take great confidence in the fact that when things do go wrong (no matter how insignificant some may think the incident might be) there are people who take note and do something about it.

Therefore, ignore any abuse and keep the info coming! And PLEASE, PLEASE lose the paranoia that exists about journos etc too!

There... I've said my piece and I shall now crawl back under my rock.

21st Jul 2004, 20:43
Well said Pax-Man :ok: I agree 100%

But have in mind that we are not all perfect and to balance the equation there must be people around like LTD.

Peb, don't worry thanks for the rumour/news, anymore info by the way?

Gracias hermano :ok:

21st Jul 2004, 22:58
Thank you for the help guys. Im not going to reply LightTwin Driver becuase I dont need to demonstrate anything to him.

It was an MD and 20 people was hurt. But they are all ok. No one in the hospital.

Saludos :ok:

21st Jul 2004, 23:31
Although obviously the crew did everything properly and liked they trained, still kudos to them for pulling off a fantastic job well done!

No one hurt, aircraft returned in one piece - if it ever makes the papers it will hopefully come out as an incident avoided by proper crew training and crew resource management...

Now to see what the report says about the causes, and any elements which could be improved...like pax man rightfully said, we humans learn by our mistakes.

Once again, if anyone knows the spanair crew, pat on the back and a bourbon on the rocks.

22nd Jul 2004, 09:31
Not sure what the policy is for reoffending posts.

What type of engines were on the aircraft that had a fire? And for those of you who fly the MD83, are these engines prone to certain types of failures/fires regularly, or is it a freaky thing.

Is it true that Spanair cabin and flight deck crews are trained by SAS? I thought there was a link between these two companies.

22nd Jul 2004, 11:04
Spanair is largelly owned by SAS so it would be natural that their training would be given by SAS as well.:ok:

22nd Jul 2004, 11:14
What type of engines were on the aircraft that had a fire? And for those of you who fly the MD83, are these engines prone to certain types of failures/fires regularly, or is it a freaky thing.

Fires out the tailpipe are the most common, caused by internal engine failures and last as long as the fuel is left on to the engine. They are not a significant hazard to the aircraft in the air although the causaul engine failure in those cases certainly represents a loss of power and a crew distraction.

External engine fires (inside the cowl) are much rarer and certainly much more hazardous.

Engine overheats (without a true fire) are the most common report.

22nd Jul 2004, 18:36
Aircraft was a MD-83 and its engines were PW JT8-D219.

A preliminary inside report confirms that it was an engine failure during initial climb with no fire warning (probably due to bird ingestion). The crew shutdown the engine and returned to the departure airport.

After an uneventful landing as the aircraft was taxiing in the tower controller advised the crew that the left engine was on fire so the capt decided an immediate evacuation. No inspections so far have revealed any sign of fire.

19 out of about 150 pax were slightly injured during the evac. A few contussions and bruises but none were traken to hospital.

Sounds like a storm in a tea cup.

El Grifo
23rd Jul 2004, 11:00
Storm in a teacup, unless of course you happened to be one of the 150 pax being evacuated at speed from a Spanish Aircraft with an engine allegedly on fire.

I think it is something they will remember for quite a while.

How many times has this happened to you TE RANGI.

Cap 56
23rd Jul 2004, 11:13
It is actually a good thing that from time to time these flying machines show some failures.

It highlights the reason why we are there and why we get paid more than a taxidriver.

As long as nobody gets hurt, the more it happens the better.

24th Jul 2004, 16:04
El Grifo,

In 25 years of flying I haven't had a single engine failure or fire, so I'm not saying it's an everyday occurence.

The point I'm trying to get is that there's no direct correlation between the severity of an incident and it's media (or even PPrune) attention.

From a flight safety perspective there are many far more serious incidents that go unnoticed (except to a few).

Engine failures/fires are some of the most rehearsed drills in the sim. And if you look at FSF statistics you'll be surprised at how often aircraft evacuations occur worldwide.

As always, let us wait till the investigation is completed before any conclusions are drawn.

24th Jul 2004, 16:51
I sense that both TE and El both have valid points.

While engine fires and/or evacuations may be rare to an individual they are not uncommon and occur on almost a daily basis in our industry, thus the reason for the training.

The impact on the aircraft is generally ho-hum, but the impact on a passenger should they be commanded down a chute is not. Most of us would dread the experience as a high probability of injury even if it does save our lives.

25th Jul 2004, 09:48
Spanair is owned by SAS (aorund 80%), but the spanish group Marsans still has the majority in the administration council. The training is not provided by SAS, although they may help providing simulator facilities etc. In Spanair, as far as I know, they have a great training department, whit very high standards, as well in Air Europa, Iberworld and Futura.
In this flight all the crew did a good job, and were also helped by an extra-crew (jumpseat) from Futura (Captain). That also should demonstrate that an X-crew helps improving safety in any emergency (CAA, JAA, EASA, airlines management or whatever should realise that!).