Revalidation

[STATLER]

If an ATPL holder wishes to revalidate a sep rating having not flown a single piston for six years or so, but is current on somthing larger (gas turbine), what is the score with revalidating his SEP rating.

I have had several stories from the CAA etc

Thanks

[BEagle]

Complete sufficient refresher training, then take a SEP Class Rating LST with a UK/FE(PPL) or higher, including oral questions. Send form and Rating Variation fee to CAA.

[Keygrip]

BEagle is probably right - but it depends on when the SEP rating EXPIRED, not when you last flew one.

All these comments are based on the assumption that you are operating on a UK CAA issued (national or JAA) licence.

Same thing if you would like Single Pilot instrument rating or Multi Engine Piston - depends when they EXPIRED and are they based on a UK CAA issue.

[BEagle]

The question referred to a SEP Class Rating. If he hadn't flown a SEP Class aeroplane for 6 years than, ipso facto, his SEP Class Rating must have expired.

[Keygrip]

Well aware of that BEagle - but WHEN did it expire - as it makes a difference to the administration (as you well know).

That last flight in SEP - say six years ago - MIGHT have been on the day the licence was last renewed/revalidated, in which case it might not have EXPIRED by more than five years.

May make even more difference if it's not on a UK licence.

[AltHold]

According to LASORs as long as you have a current type/class rating then the expiry of the SEP is based on the expiry of the Type /class rating

Where licence holders have been unable to renew a SEP (Land) or TMG Class Rating for a period exceeding 5 years from the date
of expiry*, they will be required to complete the following
requirements:
i) Complete the Skill Test in accordance with Appendices 1 & 3 to JAR-FCL 1.240.

ii) Pass an oral theoretical knowledge examination conducted by the Examiner as part of the Skill Test.

iii) The LST/LPC form, completed as a renewal, should be sent to CAA PLD for endorsement, together with the appropriate fee as per the Scheme of Charges.

iv) The Examiner should make no licence entry.

*Where an applicant can show that they are currently flying under the privileges of an ICAO licence, and are flying an aircraft
type/class within their UK or JAR-FCL licence, the renewal
requirements will be based on the expiry date of the rating
currently being exercised.

I read this as requiring the flight test to be done but the paperwork i.e licence can be signed by the examiner and no fee or paperwork to CAA (similar to if you wish to renew a SP IR when you hold A MP IR)

Any thoughts on this.

[Mayday1215]

And what happens if the class rating has expired for more than 5 years? Isnt he required to pass the Air Law and HPL exams as well?

[Irv]

Isnt he required to pass the Air Law and HPL exams as well?
Nope - The only way anyone might get involved in a ground exam might be after 10 years away from flying altogether and then only to get an R/T licence. Ground exams for any SEP renewals went out a couple of years ago.

[fireflybob]

Why cannot all this stuff be put on a CD ROM with suitable "Critical Path Analysis" (aka Flow Chart/Menu etc) to lead you to the desired answer?

Sounds like a good business opportunity for the first person to do it with suitable amendment service!

[Gertrude the Wombat]

The only way anyone might get involved in a ground exam might be after 10 years away from flying altogether and then only to get an R/T licence. Nobody asked me to do one :) (after 13 years).

The club wanted me to do Air Law to show that I'd learnt the new rules (which I did), and Human Factors because it hadn't existed when I originally got my PPL (in the end they never got round to asking me to take the paper). But the CAA asked for nothing at all, and the new licence came with the R/T on it.