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QDMQDMQDM
21st Jun 2004, 17:15
Is it true these aren't marked on the maps, only on a turgid notam?

Anyone got any more info?

QDM

IO540
21st Jun 2004, 19:28
They are marked on the latest SIA charts but they should have appeared on printed charts much earlier.

IanSeager
21st Jun 2004, 21:34
Here's the AIC (http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier/supaipmetro/SUP_2003_58B_EN.pdf)


Hope this helps, the maps in the AIC are quite good.

Ian

Aussie Andy
21st Jun 2004, 22:30
I agree with Ian - the current French ICAO charts are fine, the NOTAM are easy to understand and come with plenty of full colour diagrams, and people like Alderney Airport (http://www.flyalderney.com/notams.html) have been making it easy to find all this on their website as well.

The only thing confusing me is that

Guernsey Flying Club's (http://www.guernseyaeroclub.com/rally/index.htm) website says "Restricted airspace at Cap de la Hague is no longer active", which doesn't seem to be the case?

Andy

Charlie Fox
22nd Jun 2004, 07:58
Restricted airspace at Cap De La Hague is definitely ACTIVE

Aussie Andy
22nd Jun 2004, 10:58
That's what I thought... I will drop a line to the Guernsey aero club website people.

Andy

Flap40
22nd Jun 2004, 21:32
They are partly correct. The original restricted airspace at Cap de La Hague which was bought in after 9/11 which went out to about 17nm (draw a circle on your map centred on C de la H that goes through the centre of Cherbourg airport and you won't be far wrong) is no longer active.

Aussie Andy
31st Aug 2004, 21:39
From: GFT <[email protected]>
To: Hardy, Andy <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun Aug 22 18:03:16 2004
Subject: RE: Cap de la Hague

Thanks for your message which I have only just seen.
I have corrected this and linked to the new French AIP
Hope you might make it to the rally Sept 10-12th

Mark Dravers
[email protected] for any other corrections!

DubTrub
31st Aug 2004, 22:22
They are indeed marked on the French ICAO charts. I believe they are still lacking on the French Jeppesen charts. {The ICAO charts (published in France by IGN (http://www.IGN.fr) {and available from Tra.. oops!, forgot, no advertising! FROM YOUR USUAL CHART SUPPLIER} are IMHO much better anyway; the new colours make airspace much more easily discernable}

The aforementioned SUP AIC has of course the most up-to-date info, and the French (bless them) are constantly updating the info for new "Industrial Sites" as well as nuclear facilities.

I believe a 60,000 Euro fine is the penalty for incursion, along with potential imrisomnent and confiscation of one's flying machine.

They are indeed marked on the French ICAO charts. I believe they are still lacking on the French Jeppesen charts. {The ICAO charts (published in France by IGN (http://www.IGN.fr) {and available from Tra.. oops!, forgot, no advertising! FROM YOUR USUAL CHART SUPPLIER} are IMHO much better anyway; the new colours make airspace much more easily discernable}

The aforementioned SUP AIC has of course the most up-to-date info, and the French (bless them) are constantly updating the info for new "Industrial Sites" as well as nuclear facilities.

I believe a 60,000 Euro fine is the penalty for incursion, along with potential imprisonment and confiscation of one\'s flying machine.

For reference, here (http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/asp/frameset_fr.asp?m=1) is the home page for French SUP AIC's in France, and here (http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/asp/frameset_fr.asp?m=2) is the page for French Territories abroad.

skydriller
1st Sep 2004, 08:02
Just thought you might like to know that both the French IGN 2004 charts and the Jeppesen VFR/GPS FBS charts have the French permanant "TRA's", they are marked having the format LF(P)-Txx

Regards, SD..

foghorn
1st Sep 2004, 11:55
Yep, just had a load of French Jepp VFR/GPS charts through and the April 2004 editions have the TRAs marked on them.

The AIC linked to above contains graphical details of the TRAs that should appear on the slice of France that the CAA publish on their Southern England charts.