Atlas Blue

[alexban]

Hy
Any info's about atlas blue flying from morroco would be welcome.All I know is that they are flying 737 4/800, as a low cost airline?
I'm a 737 pilot interested in flying there,but never been to morroco untill now.Any input about this area and company?
Thks Brgds Alex

[canileb]

PARC are recruiting for Atlas Blue


edited to remove ad

[alexban]

Thks canileb. They are not the only brokers looking for pilots for Atlas Blue.
I want to know more about this company if possible.And about life in morroco,or whereelse they may have bases.
Thks vmch
Alex

[canileb]

Hi,

all I know is that their base is Casablanca and that they are facing a lot of opposition from the Royal Air Maroc pilots. I've only been to Morocco a few times but I don't think it would be a hardship posting...

Cheers

[alexban]

I understood it's a low cost division of Air Maroc? I couldn't find any information on the net.
Maybe some royal maroc pilot on the net?
Thks

[Boss Raptor]

There are a LCC subsiduary of RAM however information is sketchy - you'll find a few more bits under a search for 'Atlas Bleu'

[le loup garou]

Canileb,

What do you mean by "a lot of opposition from RAM pilots", do you think that people who take up these contracting jobs will be given a hard time? It's just that I have a young family and would like to apply with my eye's wide open. I also don't want to tread on toes of fellow aviators.

Any info would be great from anyone who knows. :ok:

Regards

Le loup Garou

[canileb]

Hi,

all I know is that one of the reasons the RAM pilots went on strike was that they were opposed to having a low-cost subsidiary compete against the main RAM routes. I do not know what this means to new Atlas Blue pilots though. Try to see if any are on pprune?

Cheers and good luck!

[alexban]

I've heard they are not operating from same base as RAM,and also not on the same route.

Check this http://www.lobservateur.ma/entreprises.asp

It will have planes and staff from RAM,at the beggining.

[relax737]

My contract is about to expire, and I am considering Atlas Blue in Morocco.

Can anybody provide any info on this contract. I haven't contacted any agencies yet.

Thanks

[relax737]

Come on fellas. There must be somebody who knows something about this contract.

Hope somebody gives me some information soon.

[max6462]

Hi there,
there was thread about them on www.radiocockpit.com a while ago, think it's in french though.
I'll check 4 ya.
Cheers.www.radiocockpit.com

[A3X0]

Dear All,

For the ones who have been in contact or work for Atlas Blue for the time being, could you please let me know how the atmosphere is, roster, planning...?

Did you start to fly regurlaly?

Any information will be welcome


Thanks


A3X0

[JapJok]

Does anybody have any information on the Atlas Blue contract? I hear the $$ aren't great, but living in Morocco for six months wouldn't be all bad. I enjoyed the food on a visit some years ago.

Thanks for your help guys.


Thanks for moving the post moderator. I didn't realize that there was another going.

I read after doing a search that the RAM piotstook industrial action against importing foreign pilots; half a dozen were fired as a result, so there is probably some unrest and aggro toward foreign pilots.

[JapJok]

Try this link


http://news.airwise.com/airlines/ram.html

[Matrix737]

Hi there,
There are a number of companies supporting Atlas Blue including Parc, however the closest one to the management team there is Sigmar Aviation, www.sigmaraviation.com.

They may be worth a shout!

[ATRDriver]

4HP - If my recollection serves me right, the post that reflected the requirements for Solenta Aviation and the fact that they were hiring ATR crew, was deleted - it was seen as "advertising". I view the second post on this topic in the same light...

[BAKELA]

Jeez, you may be right. But, ...6 months after it was posted...!!!:suspect:

[BAKELA]

ATRDriver,

Seems like Canileb removed the ad himself. Well, I suppose that "if" the jobs are still there it might have an effect on applicants but I suspect that the ones that wanted to apply did so many moons ago...a bit trivial 6 months down the line...

But, then again, there's standards to uphold...what's good for Mbeki must be good for Mugabe...or vice versa.

[Justice Too]

Hi Everybody,

I have been offered a job with Atlas Blue, but before I accept I would like to have some more information.

Can anybody give me info on scheduling, days off, treatment of pilots and the hotel you will be staying.......
They like you to get an appartment.......

What can you advise me.......

Any other usefull info is very much appreciated from pilots who work there or have worked there in the past........

Thanks,


Justice Too.

[robert3791]

Hello I am a royal air maroc pilot . Atlas blue is flying out of marrakech and agadir .
They are RAM'S low cost , and yes they face opposition but anyway sofar there is a pilot shortage in the mother company .

Living in morocco is very good ,like costa del sol ,very good climate ,nice people and a lot of freedom .
PS. I am an expat here since 37 years .

Hope it helps:ok:

[robert3791]

no one will give you a hard time , even if some pull a face in ram ,but not atlas blue . Extremely nice people to work with .

[Justice Too]

Thanks for your information Robert.

Are you part of Atlas Blue management?

I had my interview and I was really not very impressed by the interviewers........

They tried to push me to move my completely family to Morocco for a 1 year contract........

I hope I receive some more replies from pilots that actually fly for Atlas Blue.


Thanks,


Justice Too

[G-Dawg]

Atlas Blue, pure sub of RAM, bases are marrakech or agadir, we stay in the Royal Mirage when we stop over (i'm flying for ram) very nice hotel, Marrakech is a tourist orientated city..very busy and very very hot in the summer months. Flown into agadir but thats it im afraid. RAM's a good company don't know an aweful lot about Atlas vut if there operated like RAM you cant go far wrong. Robert, you're an expat flying for RAM? what on, we might have flown together!!

[robert3791]

hello friend ,

No i am not part of the atlas blue management , i am actually retired from RAM ( 35 years as expat ) and finished capt 767 .

So i know all the management staff from atlas , i suppose you are on airbus! Yes they behave (mngt) strangely , but the cockpit atmosphere is very good ,on 737 anyway ,on the bus too . The flt ops chief is a "prick" ,but if you do your job ,no problem .

The place is very good , and i personally believe you can stay more than one year ; there is a big shortage in ram itself . So why not give a try.
Very close to europe for commuting .

hope this helps
happy ldgs

[propjet72]

salam Robert3791

I am a pilot working for a major US commuter carrier.
I have Jet command on CRJ's and ATR 72.
All my licences are FAA's and I would love to fly and live in Morroco.
Would it be with my qualifications possible for me to Apply with Atlas blue or Royal air maroc since they are low on pilots?
Do they accept FAA licences with 0 time on 737 or Bus? for F/O positions.

choukrane in advance for any advise you could give me.

[robert3791]

hello propjet ,

Here is the info you requested . If you come here as a moroccan citizen they will only accept local licences . If you come as a US citizen they will accept your FAA lic.

RAM only recruits from their academy and atlas blue wants people with 400 hrs min on type ; but i know "rishworth aviation " in sweden is still advertising for atr 42 pilots , give a try via them , and once you 're in it will be a lot easier to find out what can be done to change shop .

best regards
robert 3791:ok:

[propjet72]

Thanks for the reply roberts.

I did apply for the ATR position.
Eventhough I have ATR72 time
I am currently flying the CRJ 200 moving up to the 700.
Maybe I will hear from them
In waiting I am trying to change carrier and get 737 or bus time.
Congratulation on your retirement
As you said Morocco is a nice and safe country to live in.
I hope one day I will have the opportunity to work there.
I will PM you .

[emirmorocan]

Hello Propjet!

I am flying ATR in M:Eorocco since 2005.Nice place,people,weather,but Regional Airlines management, hummm...........! Day by day worst.
I was B737e F/O in my former in another continent,hope to get a place in Atlas Blue too.It's better.

[robert3791]

parc and risworth are the agencies . My collegues from RAM are adorable and respectfull people . Even though there were some frictions with Ram mngt , they are behaving very correctly . marrakech is a jetsetting place , lovely .
Just give it a try .

all the best:ok:

[robert3791]

by the way their bases are Marrakech and agadir .

[emirmorocan]

Thanks robert!!!

[a-b212]

thanks for the informations but i was wondering you said that ram is only taking people from their academy what are their licence and how much time they are taking to finish the formation?it would be very intersting for me because im a morocan citizen living in qatar with a frozen atpl but no experience and im wondering if my licence would be accepted or not.thanks in advance

[Jozinc]

hi,
student pilots from the ram academy destined to fly for AB are expected to end the training at the school on June 2008.Next will be the Multicrew and the Type rating,so a few months later.The most optimistic previsions
:cool:

[a-b212]

thanks for the information but do u know which kind of licence are they getting?
:ok:

[robert3791]

nationals are using the countrys lic ; foreigners are getting validations .

[TooFast]

Robert,


I have more than 6000 hs in the 737 efis.

Marrakesh seems to be very nice to live.

Any idea about the pay and terms for expat captains with Atlas Blue, going with the agencies?

Thanks a lot,

Toofast

[robert3791]

Hi Too Fast ,

To answer your request ; yes marrakech is a very good place to live ,a "jetset" place now. You can easily live there with the family ; no problem at all . It is now very hot (45-48) but dry .

The flights are all to europe and of easy access if you want to go home ( in europe ,yes).

I only worked there for 6 months ,but i must say the atmosphere in the plane is excellent and easy going. The flt ops mnger is an "a....h...le ,the c/p is very nice.

The whole company is a bit of a big fiddle , hence , the big turn over.
Also if you join , you will not move from the 737 - 400 altough they advertise for 400/800. The only one went back to RAM.
Rishworth in sweden is the agent ,the pay is 6000 euros (80hrs) and 75 per hr overtime .

You will be put in a 4star hotel ,where al the other guys are ,some chose to rent an appartment.
The hotel is paid for by atlas blue.If you need a job now ,you try it ,they are in need ,lots of pilots leaving to upgrade their carreers on bigger types .

Now i suggest you have a go at it and check it out ,nothing to lose . Bring your family and enjoy the good moroccan life .

All the best to you
robert3791:ok:

[Soft Altitude]

Hello Robert,
Do you think there is any chance at all of getting a command upgrade in the foreseeable future for an F/O joining now, with 6500 hours Boeing 733 and Bus 320/330/340 time with a JAA licence ?
Is it better to join via a broker or directly ?
Finally, I should be very grateful for any hint who to contact to apply for the position of F/O ?
I also wouldn't mind flying for RAM either ;)
Cheers
SA

[robert3791]

Dear Friend ,

To answer your questions :

1) No ,you will not get an upgrade to capt ,even if they tell you the contrary (pilots union will block it and the local CAA requires you to have 1000 hrs as capt on type , atlas blue hrs don't count .)

2) I would say that with your experience you should go somewhere else , not atlas blue .

3) if you really want to try it ,rishworth sweden is the agent to contact ;torkel waak is the guy or claudia gherardi.

4) you should try F/O 321 ,you get more pay

all the best:ok:

robert3791

[TooFast]

Thank you very much Robert.


I´ll give it a try,


Toofast

[bahja77]

Question:

Does Atlas-Blue or RAM accept Moroccans who live in Europe but wants to work for RAM/ AB?
I am almost going to finisch my CPL in Holland. So I am a rookie with almost 200hrs.
I have got the dutch and the moroccan nationality. My roots are in Marrakech, I am a so called Marrakechie

Hope to hear from you soon:
Bahja

[Nightrider]

Bahja, if you apply with a European passport you will have the chance to have your JAR docs validated in Morocco; applying with Moroccan passport will require you to have Moroccan (DAC) licence.
Type rating with at least 450 - 500 hrs on type as F/O are also a minimum.
8A does not give you any rating and they expect you to pass evaluation and DAC check without any training.:sad:

[bahja77]

B-737,

I want to mail you, but i get this message:

B-737 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space.

You know what to do!:cool:

Bahja

[robert3791]

pm me and i will tell you.

[B-737]

Bahja you can email me now , i have deleted some messages so you can go for it

[flufdriver]

Hi Robert 3791,

I am a mature Guy looking for a change of venue, don't actually have to go anywhere just wouldn't mind to perhaps go to a different part of the world for a while.

You've provided a lot of valuable info on Atlas blue, I thank you for that! I do have a couple of questions that I would love to have answered by someone other then the company offering the contract:

1. As an expat on contract (technically employed by an agency) would I be subject to any kind of income or other tax from my salary?

2. 45 C is hot! Is that peak temp? does it cool off at night?

3. My wife speaks english only (not european) would she find it difficult to communicate sufficiently in everyday life? or should I park her somewhere else? ("home" is not an option, would be at least a 20 hour commute for me)

4.can you offer an opinion how many days you'd have to fly to do the standard block of 80hrs/month?

I know I am asking a lot of stuff, if you or anyone knowledgable can answer them I would appreciate it. I would love a change for 1 - 3 years, but I am not in the game for a hardship job.

If you have any questions about the Caribbean, I'd be happy to recipricate!

fluf

[MIIVJ]

I'm thinking of doing the same thing. Have you found any information?

Thanks

[flufdriver]

Sorry no more info from my end!

I haven't heard anything except to say that ATLAS requires a JAA ticket which i do not have.

I've also tried with the outfit that's looking for 73 drivers with a Casablanca base, again no reply from Parc

I suspect I've ceased to be a valuable commodity (just crossed the big 6-0) so I don't even rate the courtesy of a reply, which I suppose is par for the course these days!

Chances are that if they communicated it is likely that bottlenecks could be resolved and everyone could achieve a positive outcome. So instead of having 3 winners in a deal involving 4 parties we end up with 3 losers and 1 winner:

a.) I am still were I was (was looking for a change of venue) "loser"
b.) Parc is not collecting their commission "loser"
c.) Atlas or the other guys are not benefiting from my services "loser"
d.) my current employer still gets my services 'winner"

But hey, lets not waste any time communicating with this guy!

Fluf

[Nightrider]

flufdriver, to help on this, the DAC (Moroccan CAA) cannot grant any validation for your licence as the law is still not in place to allow operation of CN- registered aeroplanes as captain after completion of the 60th year of existance on this planet.
You may, however, apply to be a first officer, which in turn will most probably not work as many young guys are lined up for these positions...:rolleyes:
But, even for any such available position you will need special authorization...

Even if they want you, they cannot take you on....:ugh:

[MIIVJ]

how about brining your family to one of their bases? India? Does anyone do this or are all of you single?

Brian

[MIIVJ]

Would love for someone married with kids to chime in: Is it do-able? Pictures, email, can I call you.............

Thanks
Brian

[flufdriver]

Hey Nightrider! thanks very much for that info!

well that's how it goes when one gets more "mature"

I've grown rather philosophical about these things, some of them are just not meant to be!

So let me concentrate on winning the lottery!

thanks again,
fluf

[bettigio]

Hey guys,
I'm going to Toulose this saturday for the Atlas Blue screening day.
Anyone knows what is all about?
Looking forward

[natachasamami]

:ok: Hello

My father worked in Atlas Blue for 3 years and something (he left a year ago)...He was based in Marrakech, and could choose between be in Agadir, Casablanca, Tanger and other cities.
If you tell me exactly what do you want to know, I can ask more to my father...

Good luck
Natacha

[DC-8]

Does anybody have any info regarding the assesment for Atlas Blue with the Rishworth Aviation contract?

How many hours are F/O's flying per year?

Thanks in advance!

[geq02]

Just been given a sim check date for AB, wanted to ask if any1 knows what the chk is like... any things they like? etc... and whats the second sim chk with the Moroccan DCA like? and above all is the maintenance good on their A/C?
sick of flying mashed tin cans!
Thanks!

[robert3791]

check your pm,the planes are very well maintained ,that's no problem.