Shuttleworth Display, 2 May

[Airbedane]

Well, I put out several PA calls for a meeting at the beer tent at 1500, and promptly missed it................did anyone else make it?

[Grandad Biggles]

Sorry I was busy doing something else!!!!!!

What a great display. It showed the grace of the aircraft that we were able to launch, the benefit of training and a different display/typical atmosphere with the combinations used.
Shows we do not always need the heavies.

I think a first for the "tied" formation which was very graceful and stayed together until landing.

I am waiting for the photos.:O

[vintage ATCO]

Sorry I was busy doing something else!!!!!!

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you have your feet up most of the afternoon . . . . :confused:

A good day :ok:


VA

[Man-on-the-fence]

Photos will have to wait until the morning (early ish) as I have onlu just got then off the camera and a beer beckons

A cracking day out Gromit

A superb display in difficult conditions by Airbedane in the Boxkite, I will admit to wincing a bit when you made that first turn.

[Airbedane]

I'll second that VATCO, GB did spend rather a lot of time in a delegatory position, didn't he..... ;) ;)

We saw each other briefly when a group of us were debriefing after the show, MOTF, but the debrief did go on a bit - next time, perhaps.

[Man-on-the-fence]

Airbedane

No probs. You are there to run an airshow first and talk to photogs somewhere like 50th.


Photos coming soon (bad hangover)

A cracking start to the season thanks to the chaps and chapesses at Old Warden. Highlights for me was the aforementioned Boxkite display in tricky conditions by Airbedane and the Yakovlevs. All in all a superb day out, heres to the 2004 season.

http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/eng.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/cub.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/cub2.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/dak.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/deshor.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/avros.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/avros2.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/tied.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/tipsy.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/suk.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/suk2.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/yak1.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/yak2.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/yak3.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/box.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/tri.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/boxtri.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/mono.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/hind.jpg

[Batchy]

Sir Percy gets airborne in the Triplane.

Batchy.


http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Triplane_Shuttleworth_2_May__04_034.jpg

The Shuttleworth Avro Triplane sets the pace, I assume an original engine would considerabally effect its performance!

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Triplane_IV_Shuttleworth_2_May__04.jpg

Batchy

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Blackburn_Monoplane.jpg

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Hind_Shuttleworth_2_May__04.jpg

Airbedane keeps a close eye on piece of string.

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Airbedane_in_the_Boxkite.jpg

[Batchy]

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Hind_Shuttleworth_2_May__04_171.jpg

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Hairyplane__Shuttleworth_2_May__04_026.jpg

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v157/woodlands/Tiger_Moth_Shuttleworth_2_May__04_017.jpg

[TC_LTN]

What a great opening to the season! Thanks for the lovely pictures boys. Impromptu participation like the BoBMF Dakota is always special to me and it was great to see them. Requires a certain persuasive technique on the R/T I find;)

[Duxford_Eagles]

A very fine start to the season indeed. Plenty of time to admire the Edwardians and thankfully no rain despite it being a bit dull all day.

Here are a few of my offerings:

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7254s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7284s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7095s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_6851s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_6956s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7371s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7484s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_6883s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7546s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_6974s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_6959s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7390s.jpg

Cheers, Rob

[Grandad Biggles]

Airbedane, VA

No.
You're not going to get me to bite.
Well just once

Quality not Quantity in my book. But when you may ask? (Before you say it!!)

Roll on Saturday May 15th for the first Sunset show of the year.

[ID90]

Excellent show...
Despite all those wonderful aircraft, my favourite was the Cub - never seen one flown like that before...
Roll on the evening display!

[Man-on-the-fence]

A few more for fun

http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a1.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a2.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a3.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a4.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a5.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a6.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a7.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a8.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a9.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a91.jpg
http://mysite.freeserve.com/04photo/ow0205/a92.jpg

[Duxford_Eagles]

For your delectation:

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7085s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_6723s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_6866s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7169s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/Img_7308s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/Img_7240s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/Img_7248s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/Img_7275s.jpg

Ahhhh Hhhhhhhiiiiind!

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/IMG_7628s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/Img_7646s.jpg

http://www.robleigh.force9.co.uk/forum/OW02May/Img_7658s.jpg

[LowNSlow]

Fantastic to see the Edwardians flying and great to see that angular beast, the Desoutter, flying.

Excellent pics people. I managed to make it to the beer tent (shouldn't the announcement have been snack bar, it took me 5 minutes to realise there wasn't actually a beer TENT as such) and met MotF .

Excellent show but I found the £15 per head entrance fee a tad eye watering to say the least!

Batchy I think (waiting for corrections here) that the Avro tripe, although a replica, has a period engine.

[Man-on-the-fence]

LnS

If you join the SVAS it was only £7.50 to get in. Did you track down any ciggies?

[LowNSlow]

MotF I am a member of the SVAS, well I think I renewed my sub but I've lost my card. What a tosser I hear you say. :hmm: I'll have to get onto Shuttleworth and get a new one. Still, £15 doesn't really encourage newbies into the Shuttleworth environment does it. The three lasses in the car with me abandoned ship and went to see the classic car show and Shuttleworth house instead.

No, I never did track down any cigs, probably for the best really :(

[Man-on-the-fence]

I guess the price doesnt encourage regular attendance, however what with training week etc mine has already paid for itself this year.

Me, id go whatever the price, but thenagain I also went flying with Rob M so I must be mad (sorry Rob :E )

[BEagle]

6 3/4 hours and 380 miles on Sunday to a christening and back. $OD IT!! Looks like I missed a great day at OW and had to pretend to admire odiferous rugrats instead!

Shouldn't the Hind photo have been captioned "BeHIND you!!"

Good to see that so many - and so many varied - aircraft took to the air. The Yaks look good; but I won't pass comment on the flying advertising hoarding....

[Mr Chips]

'Twas indeed a splendid day - and for a newcomer, not bad for £15.

My pics weren't as good as those above, but (as I mentioned on another thread before it was closed) I did get a shot of PVC big hair lady!!!!

Chips

[Duxford_Eagles]

Mr Chips, did you manage to figure out where the hair stopped and the jacket began?

In all honesty, Old Warden shows wouldn't be complete without her.

Nice to meet you on Sunday - go on, post some photos, aviation related ones.

Rob

[Batchy]

LowNSlow,

As far as I know the Avro Triplane has a 105 hp Cirrus Hermes II engine compared to the original 35 hp Green engine.

How much quicker is the Collection Triplane compared with the original? The Boxkite on the other hand appears to have a performance closer to the original British & Colonial Aeroplane company examples, despite having a 90 hp Lycoming engine as opposed to the originals 50/ 70 hp Gnome.

Batchy.

[LowNSlow]

Batchy ta for the correction, it certainly looks authentic especially when compared to the boxed in Lyc in (on?) the Boxkite.

Dragging all those wings, wires and struts around on 35hp must have been terrifying!

[sycamore]

Lads, you should know that The Collection would never employ an American engine.....
The Box. is powered by a R-R Continental (I know-licence-built !), and the Cirrus in the Tripe. is about 70 hp.( unless it`s been tuned !)

[Batchy]

Sycamore,

According to the Official Shuttleworth Collection website the Avro's Cirrus Hermes is rated at 105 hp, although this could be a misprint.

The info I posted on the Triplane & Boxkite was taken from David Ogilvy's 'Shuttleworth the Historic Aeroplanes' Published by Airlife.

I checked through Allen Wheeler's book 'Building Aeroplanes for those Magnificent Men' and the Boxkite was indeed fitted with a Rolls Royce C.90 Continental engine. Although this may have been altered over the years.

Thanks for the correction, do you have first hand knowledge of these magnificent machines.

Batchy

[LowNSlow]

I've checked with the good people at OW and discoveed that my SVAS membership had lapsed but is now current :ok:

All who like old aeroplanes should join then they wouldn't have to charge 15 sovs to the uninitiated to see wonderful aeroplanes displayed by excellent pilots ;)

[sycamore]

Batchy,there is a discrepancy between what is written in the aircraft narrative, and what is in the engines section. Only Chris would be able to tell you , or Airbedane.I knew it was a Cirrus, but I wouldn`t put the power output as high as 105.
If you have read "From Bleriot...to Spitfire".Airlife, you will get a real feel for flying the Boxkite and the Avro Tripe. Whilst the Box. feels underpowered somewhat, it is more controllable about all axes, as long as one stays ahead of it and as it has a canard in front ,one is always working to prevent an upset if you don`t apply a correction immediately you feel the canard affected by a gust.Personally , I feel it would perform better with a rotary and a bigger prop, but only time will tell..............

The Triplane, on the other hand, laterally, and directionally, feel as though you are on top of a beach-ball and if you apply too much wing-warp you`ll not recover, and if you don`t apply rudder briskly to balance you will end up in deep $%&t !!
You may notice that flatter turns are done in the Tripe.

To keep balance it is necessary to have a steady stream of hot air/ exhaust smoke on your left cheek at all times, as the a/c does not have any "fin-area" behind the pilot,and so one has to work at balance all the time.
I would always prefer to fly the Box, but if push comes to shove, what is better than floating over the countryside on a calm summer`s day/ evening at about 35-40 mph, with a cooling breeze up the leg of your trousers .........!!! Waving to couples in cornfields caught "in flagrante" !!!!!!!!!!:ok:

Ed. later..Airbedane may have other thoughts,but really only helicopter pilots and maybe the odd Harrier pilot can cope with these a/c !!!!! Takes tin hat and retires awaiting incoming !!!!!!!!:ouch:

[Batchy]

Waving to couples in cornfields caught "in flagrante". quote - Sycamore.

Your talents are wasted on PPrune, Sycamore! That wonderful closing line, transported me miles away from this damm PC screen. And who said romance is dead.

Getting away from cornfields for a moment and back to Boxkites, the Allen Wheeler book touches on the Boxkite engine / prop relationship quite well.

The builders had originally intended to use a 65 hp RR Continental, but they quickly found that although the engine was more powerful in hp terms than the original 50 hp Gnome, the modern engine coupled to a smaller prop gave less thrust. Hence the larger 90 hp Continental, although this came with a new set of problems, overheating and carburretter icing!

There was some talk of installing a Gnome in the Boxkite a few years back. Does the collection have a spare Gnome and apropriate prop.

Batchy.
;) ;)

[Airbedane]

The engine in the Triplane is indeed a 105HP Cirrus Hermes, the engine in the Box is a R-R 0200 Continental of 100HP.

A well as having a vicious gust response, being unstable around two of it's three axes and neutrally stable about the third, the Box suffers greatly from lack of thrust, I've been campaigning to get a rotary in it for some time. The bigger prop and lower revs of the rotary provide a more efficient transfer of power to thrust, which should solve at least one of the problems (or should I say 'characteristics').

I'm not going to bite on the helo question, Syc, but what I will say is that the Box requires greater than average stick and rudder skills, which are not necessarily unique to helicopter (or Harrier) pilots.

A

[JDK]

As an non-pilot and watcher (a penguin!) may I suggest that:
"There are pilots and then there are Shuttleworth pilots."

Ah, how sycophantic. However, what I mean is that the quality, SAFETY and ability to demonstrate the a/c is best at Old Warden IMHO, compared to anywhere I've seen or anywhere I've heard of.

Biggest thanks goes to Chris Morris & team, without who the pilots would be a bunch of lads running around a field flapping their arms, but the whole aparently effortless, relaxed and safe way that an OW display 'just happens' indicates the professional achievements of the whole team. I had heard that the pilots flew other things, but who cares? The fun's here!

Cheers
James K

[Airbedane]

Thanks for the acolade JDK, but your'e only partially correct. There is certainly a well oiled and cohesive team at Old Warden, but it goes much deeper than the pilots and engineers. You can add (in no particular order), Display organiser, ATC, SVAS, Private owners, visiting acts, Airfield Helpers, Photographers, Gate staff, fire fighters, car parkers, restaurant staff, admin staff, Car drivers, local police, Shuttleworth Trust staff, CAA, PA staff, Visiting aircraft staff, etc, etc....(and apologies if I've missed anyone)

The pilots and to a certain extent the engineers tend to be in the public eye, but without the rest behind us, it'd all fall into nothing.

[JDK]

Hear hear.

And often overlooked is all the work before and the work after, that the public never sees.

While it is easy to overpraise pilots (Q: Why bonedomes? A: because otherwise their heads will expand to fill the canopy...) one of the key facets of OW to me is the safety. No 'dare-devil' pilots or crews, and a relaxed atmosphere because of it. Here's to an accident free 2004.

Looking forward to the next flying eve, when I'll be getting my first OW 'fix' of 2004.

Cheers

James K

[Duxford_Eagles]

So JDK, you've forgotten that you were there only a couple of weeks ago?

Rob

[JDK]

Nah,

But I wasn't there on an 'official' show day.

Just one of the best shows I've seen!

Cheers