Skippers Aviation & QF Cadet scheme

[MILFhunter]

Beleive it or not but have just been told from a reliable source that Skippers aviation in Perth has just taken on a young good looking blonde lady that use to work in the ground ops for skippers and put her on the Dash 8 as an FO as part of her QF cadet scheme.The young lady has all of a bare comercial and instrument rating!!Seems Airnorth couldnt make a position for her, so Skippers helped out.
My concern is that not only have QF started recruiting more cadets than direct entry SO's, but now the companys that once employed us experienced GA pilots appear be turning towards the gravy train of the QF cadet program.So where too now for us pilots with too many hours for the QF cadet scheme, and no turbine hours for other regionals like easterns??
hmmmmm interesting times ahead for the industry
:ugh: :ooh:

[IORRA]

My concern is that not only have QF started recruiting more cadets than direct entry SO's

Not true, MILFhunter. QF recruitment resumed in January this year, after nearly a year or so's hiatus. The first two courses (Jan and Feb) were a mix of cadet and DE applicants (the cadets being those from the 2002 course, graduating early 2003 and who, like so many of us, were caught up in it all when SARS ground things to a halt). Now that this cadet course has been absorbed, theoretically there won't be any cadets recruited by Qantas for another two years or so, at which time the industry experience phase of the 2003 course will have finished. So no cadets to be recruited for another 2 years, and yet some 120 pilots required this year (and another large intake mooted for next year)? Sounds like plenty of DE activity to me - certainly a hell of alot more DEs than cadets..

[jetstar1]

no more cadets for two years?
for real?
cadet bagging has been done SO much. get over it.

[Hugh Jarse]

So where too now for us pilots with too many hours for the QF cadet scheme, and no turbine hours for other regionals like easterns??
Milfhunter, don't sweat about the turbine time. Eastern "prefer" you to have it, but you and I know that a PA-31 or a C-404 requires finer(?) engine handling skills than a PW123.

Judging by past hiring patterns, about 20% (maybe a bit less) of new starters have no turbine experience whatsoever. Therefore a lack of turbine time does not necessarily exclude you from getting an interview and a job. 20% is better than none. My personal feeling is that hiring patterns are driven by market forces. For example, in Sept 2001 when all Kendell & Hazelton pilots were made redundant, (a period where steady recruiting was still going on in Eastern), there were almost no piston drivers employed. IMHO not just because they have turbine time, but experienced in multi crew RPT, used to working with SOPs etc. In other words, people that require the least amount of training to fit into the operation.

Having said that, I'm a bit segregated from the training dept, but I doubt that there are too many training issues associated with having never flown a turbine. It's more getting into the groove with multi-crew if you've never done it before, and getting used to working with fairly tight SOPs.

Eastern have ramped up interviewing and are doing an average of 4 interview days per month, or 16 interviews. This looks like continuing indefinitely :ok:

Get an app in regardless. Give them a call. You never know what might happen ;)

Good luck:E

[Boomerang]

How interesting, I was just discussing the likelihood of Skippers taking cadets about ten minutes ago with a mate. That's GA company number three taking QF cadets that I know of. I personally have nothing against cadets, I have met a couple and they're decent blokes, just like anyone else starting in aviation. Sure wish I had the same chance and am not going to hold it against them.

Anyway, what I'll be interested in is if there's plans to have cadets placed in companies like Easterns further down the track, perhaps after some initial industry experience such as the guys (and girl :) ) who are now in the GA system, OR if it will become like Europe, where these guys (and girls) will be slotted into RHS of larger aircraft such as the Dash. I guess only time will tell...

Luckily I've just beaten them in ;) See ya soon Jarse :E

[boocs]

Boomerang,

Having QF cadets joining QF regionals.....?

Having QF cadets going through the ranks as a guarenteed supply of pilots for QF regionals and then later on transferring to mainlane....?

Now now old friend. That would be logical! Wouldn't it?

(It is Qantas we are talking about after all).

[*Lancer*]

MILFhunter, there have been about 4 times as many QF recruits from other sources as there have been cadets over the past year, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.

Besides, I heard she was more of a brunette :cool:

[DeltaT]

whats the max experience hours to apply for the cadet scheme?

[Pimp Daddy]

Boomerang - Cadets with Eastern has already been raised and the reply was I believe "so we're good enough to train your cadets and give them experience but not good enough to get progression ourselves due to being inferior regional pilots" end of discussion

[mrbrown]

I wonder what value adding contribution she has made to the company.




The thread is about Skippers and QF cadets.

Read the first post re Air Norths inability to take the cadet and Skippers doing so.

Qantas decided that the "a young good looking blonde lady that use to work in the ground ops for skippers " was a suitable cadet and had the potential to proceed her career to ultimate Captaincy.

If she was good enough to win that confidence, then I would be amazed if she had not added much value during her ground based employment at Skippers.

Nothing more nothing less, lets keep it that way shall we.

W

[Dawn Raid]

The lass is a very good pilot from all accounts.
It's hard not to equate cadet with a young pilot.
I know this girl had a life outside flying before all this, and remember...she probably reads these posts.

Go easy. :ok:

[Towering Q]

Dawnie...

Are we talking about the girl who used to live out back of next door and has a boyfriend in QF?

[MILFhunter]

It would be interesting to hear the thoughts of the Metro fo's working for Skippers that have been waiting for their slot on the Dash.
I personally would be a little peeved to be jumped over by a 200hr cadet, QF captain potential or not, doesnt make a difference. Qantas works on seniority for promotion and so should skippers, helps keep the moral within.

[Memfis Bell]

Dawn Raid,

check your PM's.

MB

[bitter balance]

MILFhunter, peeved or not I don't think its fair to take it out on the lady in question. If they have a problem they should talk to the GM or Stan.

[MILFhunter]

Its not an attack on the lady in qu by any means, its questioning the system.
If the lady in qu was a guy in qu would all the defence that has been posted be indeed posted???
Good on her for a fantastic start to her QF career!!....but its jumping the line just a little bit.
What i do find annoying about companies is when they give pilots (male or female or transgender with blonde or brown hair, ugly or stunning) excuses for not employing them like " go get some cabin class twin time", "go get some northern aust experience", "you have only instructional twin time"........yet they then turn arround and employ very low time/experience pilots with bare ratings. :hmm: :suspect:

[Dawn Raid]

Q

No, this is a different girl.

Very good pilot. Was in the medical science (?) profession before she started flying professionally.

Went jump flying once with her about 18 months ago.

Lovely lady and a true professional :ok:

Dawnie

[Hayward Djablowme]

Your gripes are not with this poor girl, but with the system you work under. It is unfair to harrass someone who is using the system to their advantage (honesty please gents). What you are facing here is the "the merit principle", a dark force steeped in multiple layers of family protection, darker and more sinister than the fat man himself. A force so powerful that not even thousands of hours >5700kgs turbine time could make one eligible for command.
Cadets schemes are not new, BA, QF, SAF, CX, UA, Delta all have them and they are successful. The RAAF lets 200 hour pilots fly 50 million dollar fast jets. This girl is only trying to make her career, you would all rather do it this way, rather than flying overloaded 206's out of KU (again honesty please)
Let her get on with it, as should you. Find creative ways of using the system. Perhaps you could annoint yourself as the "Antimerit", a force so disruptive and time wasting that no-one will ever actually task you with anything. Or you could just work in operations, under the disguise of Merituous behaviour only to be the mole, the all new Spikkers fugitive. "Spankers Ops say again???" Say again, say again,......aircraft calling Skippers standby"....PARP".
So instead of serving the company for 4-5 years, gaining valuable regional , demanding turbine time, then being promoted to fly the 120 or Dash, just paint a few rocks, establish systems that have no purpose, teach courses no -one cares about, add a special title after your name , acquire an office in the building, kiss clients asses, kiss CEO's ass, Kiss Family members ass's daily, make terminal staff feel that despite having no formal training, that they could really fly to Leinster at night if the company really needed them to, and no crew were available. Never park out the front (very naughty, 2 demerit points), dont smoke anywhere, not even in the same state. Dont throw food around at Social club functions. Dont vomit at Social club functions. Dont remove clothing at Social club functions. Dont pick fights with ramp staff at social club functions. Dont throw glass ware from moving vehicle hired by social club for social club functions. Dont fly approaches in company aircraft thats what your check1 and 2 is for. Dont use foam cups for coffee, use empty discarded crew meal containers. Dont eat crew meals, so they can be re-used for the afternoon shift. Dont tamper with paperwork in operations. Dont read newspapers in flight. Always talk to passengers. Dont purposely kick passenger baggage from the aircraft hold. Dont purposely remain in turbulence because a passenger was abrupt with you. Dont choke one out after a curry night in the Metro23 lavatory. Dont amend company memos' to read as you think correct. Dont engage in tomfoolery on the company frequency. Dont assume that an innocent pat on the buttocks of female colleagues / passengers is appreciated. Storage of pornographic material in aircraft document folders is appreciated and can offend some sensitive crewmembers. Dont turn with prop wash blowing over the minesite dongers as a good bye gesture. Some staff and passengers dont understand ICAO flight deck sign language so dont use it to signal people from live aircraft. Especially dont use this type of sign language close to the terminal. Skipping past the terminal in the rain singing may be funny to you, but isnt to passengers. The aircraft emergency torches should not be used to make scary faces at passengers at night in the cruise especially RPT Clients. The VIP room is not a night club for your use. The VIP room shouldnt be used for your rest and recuperation or foe entertaining female guests. Solitaire is not classified as a form of flight planning. Fuel checks and 3% checks were designed back in 1914 and really should be taken with a practical view. Magna sticks can be very accurate and well within 3%. Try to involve ops in all your operational decision making, remember there is no I in team. Just because operations is housed in an impermeable silver and eavesdropping proof container and is inaccessible and uncontactable by crew , try to remain as a team. Once again operations staff are not converant with ICAO flight deck sign languages, so dont create confusion by using at the windows of operations. Remember weather is subjective, no one really understands it so why worry about it so much, ops dont so why should you.
Embrace the MERIT, let it course through your veins. Feel the love, feel the togetherness. Remember..." If you are full of.....MERIT, we will give you the CREDIT".
Did I say dont throw food at Social club functions"

[Bendy]

Sydneyman et al

Perhaps it is time to take a breath and have a calm and rational think about all of this?

Firstly, been there, done that (GA), for a LONG time.

Secondly, this cadet (and all the other cadets that QF have employed over the past 12 months or so) was expecting to be sitting in the back of a 747 as soon as they finished their course. That QF has now instituted a cadet placement program has some implications for GA pilots.

This cadet is currently filling a place in a GA cockpit and (you would argue) taking the job of a GA pilot. What about the place she is not filling in a QF cockpit?? Where would your Skippers Metro F/O rather be. RHS of a Dash 8 or 747 (I suspect I know the answer to that one!!

Let's assume that, for whatever reason, our eager young tyro Metro F/O cannot or will not apply for QF. How long is his path blocked by the Cadet?? What about the rest of aviation outside of Skippers that continues to benefit from the increased Direct Entry intake while the cadets gain "real world" experience. He could go and grab a job with someone else while the movement's on or choose to wait it out at Skippers.

Things happen in this industry that change our preconceived ideas about where our careers are headed. The fact that the plan changes is not always a bad thing!!

There are opportunities that this "problem" creates, and it might not be a bad idea to stop slagging people off and start looking for them!!:ok:

[Parrhresiastes]

Just to move off-track for a teensy moment.

Whilst we are debating who "deserves" or has "prior rights" :rolleyes: to a job, please consider this.

sydneyman

Please take this in the spirit in which it is offered and I assure you I am not singling you out. :)

I know/now/no (strike out that which is inapplicable) not whether/weather/wether (sotwii) you have aspirations to the big kids’ airlines or promotion within your existing outfit.

But I suspect that should you do, the taking of a remedial course/coarse (sotwii) in the English language would/wood (sotwii) improve your chances immeasurably, way beyond where they are now.

Whether/weather/wether (sotwii) we like it or not, I hear/here (sotwii)we are judged by/buy (sotwii) the way we communicate as much as by what or whom we know/now/no (sotwii).

Clear, concise, unambiguous communication is what keeps us all out of trouble in this industry and the world. It is also a clue to the level of organisation of our thought processes.
If we do not have the "words" to communicate concepts it is a barren conversation indeed.

I see hundreds of posts from young hopefuls complaining about this and that in regard to their/there (sotwii) lack of advancement.

Given the grammar and syntax I am not often surprised.

And I'm sure there will be someone out there who will find some fault in mine .:ok:

But you know/now/no (sotwii) what I mean.:E

[The Voice]

Parrhresiastes

wholey/holey/holy* moley Batman .. one/1 of my friends of some/sum years is a fantastic pilot but he can't/carnt/caanth spell for nuts.

He's flogging around the bright blue in a jet.

Besides, isn't that why ICAO codes were invented? It makes for a nice neet/nete/neat* playing field around the world, and is not dependant upon your/you're* english skills!


* delete word of your own chosing

[Parrhresiastes]

The Voice & sydneyman

I agree entirely with your sentiments.

It's just when I was a boy you could get almost any job you liked, with pretty much any sort of quals, if you were persistent, there were more jobs than people.

Nowadays and especially in the gool 'ol United States of Amazement, you need a degree just to get on the list.

We are there right now in Australia.

Right or wrong one of the filters we employers use when trying to whittle the 1,000 applications for a job down to maybe ten or twenty to render the process manageable, is to start the filtering process.

Surviving that process is pretty tough and yes we almost certainly miss the odd good 'un from time to time, but they will always get there in the end.

As for Skippers, Bendy has some sage advice.

[MILFhunter]

So what your are saying Parrhresiastes is that rather than looking at flying hours and experience to sort out the wannabe's for the job, you look at if they have correct gramar and a degree first??.....did i spell gramar correctly??.....perhaps I should go to uni and get a degree in english to help me with my career prospects in these green pastures of aviation......:yuk: :cool:

[Nolights-essential3]

Hi Voice...and I still have to use the spell checker...

[Towering Q]

Hayward, great post. Might now reconsider my next move.:ok:

In my former job, MERIT stood for "Mates Elevated Regardless of Intelligence or Training". :E

[MILFhunter]

Maybe i should go back to MILFing and being a Porn Star....at least you get paid to be TRUCKED.....and to those that care that is a deliberate typo of the word .. _ucked :mad:
To elaborate on one of my previous posts of this subject...i can handle being told you are no good or not right for the job....but to be lied to, ie "go get some cabin class twin time as 1000multi doesnt cut it unless its a cabin".....just peeves me.
I may not have a degree....i may not have perfect grammar,...but i do know when im being lied too which also makes the one lying look like a total idiot.
Myself as an ex check and training pilot, thank god never had to sign off the endorsement on a 200hr pilot on a medium size turbo prob aircraft. Experience does count and i personally dont think a low time pilot should be flying in any sort of command position apart from s/o on board an aircraft with fair paying pax or not.
Hypothetically, if the Check and training Captain became incapacitated during his/her/transsexual/blonde/brunette (just being politically correct), check to line training, of which would have pax on board, and an engine fire occured, bad weather enroute and to the minimu for your hopeful approach, and your mother/father/brother/sister/dog/goat or sheep was on board....would u feel comfortable and cofident that this low time pilot was the right person for the job, ie getting the aircraft on the deck safely? I accept the fact that even a high time, high experienced but newly endorsed on type pilot would be hard pressed under this hypothetical situation,...but the basic raw experience and instinct would no doubt help out and hopefully bring a happy end to the story.
No i dont think its correct that such a low time pilot has been put anywhere near the control of such and aircraft. I personally dont fly certain airlines because they practise this, but thats my choice and i can make that choice as im educated with the knowledge of their practise.
Free speech is a wonderful thing
:cool:
PS....does anyone know where near freo u can get beer at 1200midnight? :sad: :confused:

PPS just out of interest...anyone know where the atsb report on the c441 mishap at lake johnston could be found?

[MissShagwell]

Hayward,

Loved the post - very true . Thanks for the laugh


Shaggs :)

[Monkey Magic]

This post is going nowhere- so why don't you all get over it!

[Omega1]

This pilot has been placed in the position because she has the right experience / intelligence / attitude etc. The management of Skipper's ( Ie chief pilot ) is NOT and idiot and knows very well why this young lady was placed in the airline. I suggest to MILFhunter and alike that these things happen in life and their best best is to let it go before they die at an early age.

If you believe this is 'unfair' then that's your perogative. Remember, she was taken on as a cadet because the QF testing and interview process identified her as having Captaincy potential. Some out there may think that is irrelevant when compared to experience- personally I don't. I'm sure that after her 2 years with Skippers she will be a very fine pilot indeed.

This pilot is certainly NOT an idiot (and I imagine she would perform quite well during an emergency thanks MILFhunter).

Best of luck to her and all other pilots with the right attitude as the next few years should see many pilots recruited regardless of their background.

By the way MILFhunter- do you think your user name reflects on your maturity and attitude? Do you have the right attitude for this industry?

[MILFhunter]

my name is purely a reflection of my sense of humour :cool:
we are all entitled to our opinions
QF do get it wrong you know, cadets and pilots have been cut because they have got it wrong.
Hey at the end of the day im just jealous to an extent, but my other beliefs still stand.
You know as well as i know that the chief pilot doesnt always have the last say on these decisions, unless you know specifically otherwise??.....would u like examples??
Im sure she is a very fine pilot now, and in 2 years even more so.
Would you like to answer my pet No1 peeve though as too why companies give potential candidates reasons for not employing them such as" you dont have any cabin class twin charter time", yet turn arround and employ very low time pilots. I understand at the end of the day its their company and they can do as they please, but dont be so insulting as to give poor excuses as such.
Please remember its not personal against the lady with the very lucky break, its just trying to get some fair and reasonable answers as to my previous posted qu's.
Omega man i sugest you check your grammar before you post!!....not saying that mine is anywhere near perfect :ok:

[bitter balance]

MILFhunter:

Would you like to answer my pet No1 peeve though as too why companies give potential candidates reasons for not employing them such as" you dont have any cabin class twin charter time"

Probably because its hard for them to say "we don't like you(generic you - not you personally), you are a ********, you're previous boss is delighted you left and we have someone else we'd rather employ".

[The Voice]

I was wondering this:

Is the 'problem' such because the pilot is a QF cadet and female?

Skippers like any other organisation employs capable pilots.

Sometimes the reason given for non employment may even be truly reflective of why someone is passed over in favour of another.

Perhaps it is time to stop the bleating, stick your head down and a$$ up and get on with getting the experience apparently needed to make yourself viable next time ..

.. particularly in aviation, if at first you don't suceed, try try, try again .. surely you'd have learnt that one by now ...

[MILFhunter]

Well Mr Voice, if you read just two posts up you will discover that its not becuase she is a she and a qf cadet, but primarily because a bare com pilot with a cir has been placed in an aircraft of such, yet the employer will turn arround to quite capable, well experienced pilots and turn them down with the excuse that they dont have enough suitable experience, go figure. At least QF are up front and will tell you when you dont meet their phsyc profile.
I personally have never applied and never will as i do like my disco boogey nights in company board rooms :ok: ....but i do well and truly meet their mins.......however a few friends have applied and some have been turned away at the gate due to previous mentioned reasons. It simply baffles me as too why companies cant be upfront and honest and then maybe people can go in the correct direction to change as a person or ones experience so as to come back and get past that pearly gate to fly the blue tail. ;)

[The Voice]

MILFhunter

I did read and have just re-read the post '2 up' ..

so, Hey at the end of the day im just jealous to an extent AND your apparent joy of disco boogey nights in company board rooms don't contradict each other?

even just a little bit?


and, to you, that'd be Mrs Voice ...

[longjohn]

If Skippers has previously discriminated on the basis of qualifications and experience (quite legal) their recent decision to employ a pilot of so little experience can only be good for wannabees.

Quite simply, how can they NOW turn you away based on qualifications and experience? If they are discriminating then someone should challenge them............

After all, if they cannot provide employment criteria which can under examination prove to be fair and equitable, then they are in breach of the LAW.

[MILFhunter]

Sorry Madam Voice, its not contradiction its sarcasm, sorry to confuse you :O
Interesting point Longjohn (LOVE the name!!), would be very interesting to see them challenged on that basis.

[CaptCaveman]

Longjohn,

The wanabees will need to be QF cadets to get a start like this as Qantas pays for the endorsemant etc as far as I know; I believe that Pearl now has 2 QF cadets that brought with them $10K each for the training/experience that they will receive, so they are given a go before others with the same or better experience. It's a very uneven playing field really; but they have a company/system that believes in their potential and who is willing to back/pay for their early experience.

These cadets still have to get a good report from the C&T system at Pearl to progess into QF( I assume that it will be the same with Skippers), so they don't get an entirely free run but they are at an advantage over other low time wanabees.

That said you can't blame the cadets for being cadets and starting their careers like like this, if the oportunity is there, take it. You can't blame a kid for using the system.

[Wombat]

Hayward,

You forgot to mention no more "Minties" for the staff.

:{

Wombat

[commander adama]

MILFhunter

What's the diff between cabin class and well 310/B58 twin time? You big guy.

[PUHOS]

Wombat, Hayward,

You forgot about no more foam cups for staff use! Come to think of it, no more of anything for staff that might boost moral in anyway.

Isn't this what the whole post is really about, low moral, flogging yourself and putting in the hard yards so that ultimately the big cheese can shaft you by employing yet another one of the family members!

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

[MILFhunter]

At a guess what is classed as a cabin class twin is a Navajo or Chieftan,....but not a Baron as a friend had 1000hrs Baron and was told to get some "cabin class" twin time....oh what a joke.


Oh and im only a little guy
:{
.......but i get told im still good :p :yuk:

[4dogs]

Folks,

The only time anyone has a "right" to be employed is if he/she has honestly and truthfully convinced the employer that he/she is the right person and that employer has entered into a contract of employment, verbal or otherwise. Everyone else is in intense competition to get to that point.

An employer can discriminate on many grounds - other than those proscribed in the various pieces of anti-discrimination legislation - none of which include references to flying experience or aviation qualifications. Many of you need to get a grip on employment reality - nobody is giving it away, you have to earn it each time regardless of where the goalposts are today or shift to tomorrow.

As for the QF cadets - their employment is a commercial arrangement between QF and the employer and is not of the individual cadet's doing. There may well be corporate benefits from being co-operative with QF by participating in the cadet scheme beyond the $10K contribution towards training costs. My understanding is that each cadet has stumped up a very large amount of money to complete a training scheme designed by QF and, importantly, he/she has successfully completed QF selection. That means that he/she brings a little bit more to the negotiating table than just "200 hours".

The employer must weigh up the pros and cons of employing a particular person and, as is always the case, will make a choice based on the most favourable commercial outcome for the employer.

Stay Alive,

[commander adama]

4dogs

That is true any organisation has the right to employ whom ever they like. However A cadet will bring absolutely zero to the company and will remain as so until they get experience. It's tragic that many many good people miss out due to nepotism and some zit faced school kid whom has proven nothing thus far. What a gamble!

[bitter balance]

commander adama, cadets can bring many qualities to companies. One of the most refreshing is the lack of negativism and cynicism that you displayed in your last post. :rolleyes:

[commander adama]

bitter balance

They are a burden. With no experience how have they something to contribute. They get by simply on the experience of the captain. Only after a long period of time would they even come close to contributing anything worth whileto the flight deck.

Does the term "Yes men" mean anything to you?

[bitter balance]

commander a - did you have a snooze during CRM? If you believe that, then cadets definitely won't contribute to your cockpit. That says more about you than them.

If someone is check and trained to the required standard then they are entitled to be there. There are plenty of dickheads in aviation and plenty of them are not cadets. Everyone on this forum knows pilots who haven't made the grade for whatever reason. They also know that this has less to do with their logbook than their abilities.

[Hayward Djablowme]

All I want is a foam cup, one little foam cup. My cup , My cup , my roster for a foam cup. I was thinking, if you cut a hole in the top of the urn near the coolroom, and filled it with enough coffee and milk you, could just have a quick chug straight from the tap each you passed by. At 5 am, all you want is a coffee especially when in the last month your flights have changed 6 times. EMPLOY MORE PILOTS........ surely it must be sinking in now.....DUHHHH.
Its catch 22, you cut off the vital foam cup supply, but then expect crew to double up on min rest......You're just not getting it.
If the company just got anyone who was standing around (this could be a LAME, terminal staff or OPS, passenger) to give it a crack and fly to a site, then they wouldnt be bound by CAO48 Dispo's as they dont hold flight crew licences. AND they wouldnt need a foam cup to get through the day.
Its like Lord of the Rings, we all want the "precious". By the way is everyone keeping grammatical and spelling checks as they read.
Here's another one, I spoke to NASA the other day who indicated quite strongly that there weren't any reports of a black hole over Skippers. So again I am lost as to why my Radio transmissions cant get through. "SAY AGAIN". Radio lesson 1. Must be in same room to be able to clearly hear radio reception. Lesson 2. Radio must be switched on to receive. Lesson 3. If you leave work early (V) with aircraft still in the air, they wont be able to contact you. Lesson 4. The noises you hear intermittently are not the crew fooling around, but atmospheric disturbances.

Well thats another wet season gone and F-----ng Shay gap still hasnt washed away. I have a book going on how heavy the bags will get there. 39kgs, ah yes Roy me boy you're meant to actually do something about it, not just imagine you have. Its called being a manager, something has to occur....cause and effect. You cause me to want to run through the terminal naked, but the effect would .......well maybe it is worth it. I hear the more famous you can be the easier it is to get into the majors.

With the winter months approaching i was thinking maybe we could just remove the glass at the front of the terminal and start aircraft inside the terminal for extra warmth. Think of the cost savings, and how much shorter the walk would be for terminal staff to board pax. The standard rule of OPS communicating telepathically shall continue as per usual.

ARGGGGH I wish it were true...........
If you build your turbine time, they will come.

[boeing7E7]

hayward you are exactly right
the only way you can get a foam cup around skippers is to get one passed to you in the dark breeseway early in the morning without roy or OPs there!!
as for sydneyman and MILFhunter you two are aholes and you need a good as kickin!!! you two are classics, you right this" good looking blonde lady" off, you are telling me that if you werent in the same position you wouldnt do the same thing, you guys are hipocits, the low of the low!!!!!:mad: we all know that you work for skippers so if you feel so strongly about it why dont you voice your opinions to your flight ops manager insted of bithching about it on this sight. you may not realise that cirtain people read these forums that you coments may hurt!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[MILFhunter]

I prefer to be spanked than kicked :O

[Capn Bloggs]

I hope she wasn't the one who ran the Conki off the taxiway in front of the chief pilot's office last night: she'll be in for a right royal spanking/kicking!

[boeing7E7]

no she wasnt she was a new pilot from the RACWA

[Towering Q]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "Conki"? I'm guessing it's the Conquest.

[Capn Bloggs]

Towering Q: correct

Boeing: Duuoohh. "JD, can I have my job back?". Didn't look like a "she" in my landing light, but then again, you never can tell, what with all the (good looking) short haired girls around these days...

[scud_runner]

What does all this say about the standards of Skippers & Airnorth??

Skippers MINIMUM requirements for entry are

1500 TT, 750 PIC, 300 Multi, 50 Night

yet a 200 hour pilot can buy there way in there because they're part of the QF cadet program. A even if they are a 'top gun' they are still a 200 hour pilot who really should be getting COMMAND experience in a 210 not playing copilot in a high performance turbine.

[boeing7E7]

yes i am right
it was a conquest and it was a new conki pilot that was from the RACWA. god knows what the safty pilot was doing at the time???
her right main gear got stck in the sand. ramp staff and pilots had to dig it free. thaks to good old mate NJS ramp staff for standing there laughing!!!

[slice]

Safety Pilot = GIMP

I know. I was one!:}

[kellykelpie]

I can completely understand the disappointment of pilots who are more experienced and have been trying longer to gain employment with Skippers at being bipassed by an inexperienced protegy. However, having worked for Skippers and now with Qantas I can tell you the same applies once you work for airlines. Airforce Wing Commanders new to Qantas are below the chain of command to 22 year old cadets with little flying nor life experience. That is the system. We all have to live with it.

[boeing7E7]

Capn Bloggs
by your last massage you must have been the nat jet 145 holding behind the skippers conquest! i know it is very stupid that the pilot thought that the grass was part of the apron like i sayed what was the safty pilot doing (he was a conki pilot himself of many years). it is the second insident in the last two weeks! a skippers bras whist under tow to maroomba hit a light pole and broke the tip of the wing off. god this is a ****ty company it is hard to belive that they need to wait for things to happen before preventing it happening. the bras was towed back and because there were no replacements in stock (which there never is of anything) it was offline for the next four days!!!
incompitance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thinking pilot]

Scud Runner

I agree with you totally, unfortunetly I think this may become the norm in the future.

If the second tier operators like Airnorth and Skippers are doing it for financial reasons then this may be the way of the future.

[GoNorth]

Speaking of Airnorth..... I've never seen the bras bounce so much before in my life. Not too uncommon to see a triple bouncer down the runway now. Wonder what it feels like down the back. But I guess this has nothing to do with the cadets :}

[scud_runner]

Kellykelpie

I think that once you are in an airline, a seniority system has to have it's place which unfortunately means that a cadet will get a leg up over a ex Cathay FO if the cadet has higher seniority. However I think that people buying jobs in other companies, and by-passing the minimum requirements is an absolute joke.

What the hell are the point of minimums if you can just buy a job?? How come so much is hung up on "minimums" and "insurance requirements" "mining companies require...." when all you need to do is open the cheque book and you have a job?? Makes an absolute farce out of the whole issue of "safety" and " high standards".

[MILFhunter]

Anyone want to spank me yet?
So how much longer till another conki is written off??.....or even worse a fatality occurs?
But all would be ok if we could just have more foam cups :ok:

They say life is like a box of chocolates,......its not!!.....its more like a large jar of jalapenos......what you do today will no doubt come and burn your ass well and truly later!!!.............thank god for rim jobs :O