Flight for raffle prize

[phnuff]

My wife has got herself involved with a bankrupt church and is trying to raise money. One of the suggestions that have been is that I give a flight with me as a raffle prize. Now, I would not be flying for hire or reward as the flight itself would be paid for 100% by me, however I just want to confirm the legal status as far as thr CAA are concerned.

Can anyone help?

[Chilli Monster]

All the requirements are detailed in AIC 76/2003 (White 88) viewable here (http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/pdf/aic/4W088.PDF) if you've got access to the AIS web site.

[phnuff]

Thanks monster. Thats tomorrow mornings little read

[BRL]

Hi there. This has been discussed at great length before here. Try clicking THIS (http://www.pprune.org/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=660933&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending) if it goes to another thread other than charity flights then enter "Charity" in the search. Make sure you select "search titles only" and also just do the private flying forum.
Good luck..!!

[Fly Stimulator]

Those search links never seem to work BRL!

Historical threads on the subject include:
Charity flights with a PPL (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108958), Flights as prizes (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59870) and Charity Flights (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42936)

[Whirlybird]

To maybe save all the searching, I'll summarise what I remember from having looked into it myself a bit back.

Yes, it CAN be done. But you have to jump through an awful lot of CAA hoops. :(

You need quite a lot of hours for a start; either 200 TT or 200 PIC I think, but I'm not sure of that. You have to fill in a horribly long form, saying when and where the flight will be done etc. And you need to give the CAA lots of notice, a minimum of a month I think.

I know this isn't very precise and anyone thinking of doing it will need to look up the details. I'm merely posting it because I was asked by someone who assumed it would be OK, since I regularly took friends flying. They thought it would be the same, and so did I at the time. I then had quite a hard time explaining that we didn't have a month to let the CAA know, apart from anything else. :eek: To most people, it appears to be the same as taking up friends. But to the CAA, you're now in charge of the general public, and that usually means you need a CPL at least. This whole charity flight thing is a BIG concession for them, looked at from that standpoint.

So if you get asked, don't commit yourself before you find out ALL the details.

[Phoenix09]

And, I believe, that the charity has to be registered with the Charities Commission. You can't fly further than 25 miles from your airfield and you can't 'land away'

It certainly is a lot of hoops to jump through! :(

[vintage ATCO]

There is some misinformation here.

AIC 76/2003 already contains a General Permission for charity flights providing you comply with the conditions in the AIC. You do not need specific permission from the CAA.

Only if you want to move outside of the conditions contained in the AIC do you need specific permission from GAD. We do this for the de Havilland Moth Club Charity Weekend at Old Warden each year and GAD are extremely helpful and very forthcomiong. Yes, they need a bit of time, don't ring them the day before.

HTH


VA

[iainpoll]

Yes, it can be done, but as stated above there are one hell of a lot of hoops to jump through.

My rugby club wanted to offer a flight with me as a Christmas raffle prize, and after much protracted discussion, I discovered the easiest way around it was to buy a 30 minute trial lesson with an instructor at my local airfield......was quite good really, I just presented the 'winner' with a voucher and had nothing else to do with it. Everyone was happy!

Iain.

[Whirlybird]

That's right. Now that I'm an instructor, giving people a trial lesson as a prize, at the school I instruct at anyway, is no problem. But if I just want to take them for a flight, that's complicated. Crazy but true. :confused: