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sacktheboard
18th Nov 2003, 23:10
Is Security safe at MAN ??

All extracted from the Metro News Manchester 14/11/2003

It Sickens me to see the smug grins on the faces of the directors of Manchester Airport “(You Fat Cats, Metro News, November 7).”

Security workers have had their lives irreparably damaged by wage cuts yet they reward themselves with as much as 40 per cent Increases on what are already inflated salaries.

An article In Metro News written over twelve months ago by Helen Tither first brought the wage cuts to my attention. I seem to remember that the airport would remain "efficient" and security would not be "compromised". I beg to differ I travelled to Majorca in August and queued for over an hour to reach the security check to find that only one of the gates was open and manned by only five guards.

On questioning the length of time spent in the queue, I was told that it was due to extra security I set off the alarm due to a buckle on my belt and was given a very brief body search. For this "extra" security I had paid a supplement of £9.

I chose to ignore the situation at the time but your article has angered me so much that I write to you in the hope that the people of the North West can feel protected when travelling through Manchester Airport. I fear it is only a matter of time before a major incident occurs due to financial decisions being made which I feel have compromised my safety. Where has my £9 been spent? Where is the extra security? Why are the staff feeling demoralised? Did September 11 tell us nothing? How can the directors enjoy such increases when ordinary members of staff have suffered 40 per cent wage decreases? Too many questions left unanswered.

Security has been compromised at the expense of shareholders, directors' salaries and profits and I, as a member of the general public, am not prepared to stand by and watch this happen. I applaud you for bringing this situation to our attention but I will not feel safe travelling through Manchester Airport until such a time that manning levels are brought to a reasonable level and security guards are remunerated for the responsible job being done.

Nigel Stone Sale Cheshire

Manchester Airport is owned by 10 Greater Manchester Councils and their councillors sit on the airport board. So they must have agreed to these salaries. Could, you tell us how much the councillors are paid for their services to the airport? It would be interesting reading.

E Kime, Marple, Cheshire

The directors of Manchester Airport are no better or worse than most other UK companies which look after the top management and treat the rest of the workforce with contempt.

The workers have only themselves to blame. They are politically apathetic and vote in corrupt and incompetent union leadership and have a blind faith in a Labour party which also treats them with contempt.

Until they are prepared to fight for some workers rights these disparities will continue and we will coninue to be known in Europe as the coolies of the European Union.

Mr W Cope, Altricham, Cheshire

The question I would like to ask is a simple one. Why the hell are these people being allowed to get away with it? The travelling public are being ripped off by these greedy directors. I had to wait in a queue for over an hour this summer with three small children to get past security a manager told me it was due to extra security measures but when I got to the checkpoint there was only one X-ray open. Who are they trying to kid.
On my return I had to wait another hour for my bags at arrivals. Why? No
bloody staff, that's why. For fat cats read read fat rats, it's about time some very
serious questions were asked.

Not Stupid, Sale, Cheshire (Full name & Address withheld)

rampman
19th Nov 2003, 03:44
:mad: ooooohhhhhhhhh they make me mad .. the board at MAN just gave themselfs a 20% pay rise whilst the workers fight for 3.4% dont they realise that without the workers there would be no airport so no money and no board :*

And as for security well that is a joke in it's self every morning i go throught security cheek point and everyday i set the metal detector off and what happens to me i get an air frisk (i.e they dont even touch me* ..... in the near futuer i can see a big security breach and by then it will be to late major incident and maybe live's lost :(

MrLostLuggage
19th Nov 2003, 04:38
737 HITS 767 ARRIVING ON STAND!!
Cant belive that this has not been on here...unless ive missed it
Sat 15 th Nov a 737-800 hit a BY767 coming on to stand at T2 rumour has it the 737 came on stand on the wrong line ...with the wing tip saying hello to the wing of the 767...who was at fault not for me to say but i think that someone in for an a**e kicking:mad: i was always to belive that on T2 that ops always marshalled on to stand.....so u wouldnt expect this kind of thing to happen

i heard that it was 2 hrs before the pax got off and that it took 2 tugs to bring the 2 aircraft apart lots of damage to both aircraft and that rumour has it that the 737 has to go back to boeing as the airframe is damaged

well dont know who will be paying the bill for that one...but glad it aint me!:D

dundoniandean
19th Nov 2003, 04:44
Who was the 738 operator? Excel?

MrLostLuggage
19th Nov 2003, 04:52
sorry the 737 was Eurocypria

opsmaneurope
19th Nov 2003, 05:06
You should have been in Plymouth in 1984 (I think it was), I watched a DHC7 taxi into the terminal building with all 4 props turning, no pax on board though, they were still inside the unfortunate terminal!

Beausoleil
19th Nov 2003, 05:30
Why does it take so long to get ones luggage at MAN these days (T2)? It's way longer than the norm.

I keep planning to raise hell when I get through customs, but the urge to get home wins.

Back to lurking.

EGGPOPS
19th Nov 2003, 05:30
:{ Passenger travelling today on Virgin to Orlando from Man managed to get all the way to Orlando before handing in the knife she had in her hand luggage

Good old Manchester Probably sort on security staff again
:ok:

spy
19th Nov 2003, 06:41
Some of the stand guidence and markings at Manchester are very bad! I can't answer for terminal 2 but at terminal 1 in the wet or at night the stand lead in lines can be very hard to see and some of the docking systems are also poor. Not a great situation for an international airport.

john8b
19th Nov 2003, 07:04
I am presuming that this is the Eurocypria that left Man on Sunday .

www.ringwayreports.co.uk/5B-DBX.jpg

toon
19th Nov 2003, 07:08
manchester has the worst parking stands of any airport i care to think of, on a par with corfu etc, more interested in the shops !!!

toon
19th Nov 2003, 07:19
typical, just typical, the airport is falling apart airside !!
has anyone noticed the millions of £ spent on the new train station ?
has anyone notice the two rusty old skips left on the grass outside this marvel for the last six monthes ?
think the directors deserve a good a**e kicking !

Frankfurt_Cowboy
19th Nov 2003, 14:24
"has anyone noticed the two rusty old skips"

Well, if Air Atlanta will insist on basing aircraft there......

rampman
19th Nov 2003, 23:28
refuring to the 738 and the by767 coming together ..... it was the marshalers fault . on T2 they are guided on by trafic lights yes it was going up the wrong line but the marshler did not spot this and oops they mated.......

the 738 winglet was damaged and taken off then flown to AMS fror some airframe test i belive and as for the by 767 it is still u/s with lots off engeners going ummm and ahhhhh and a lot of head scratching:ok:

red 5
20th Nov 2003, 03:50
Ref to Mr rampman,the BY767 was only damaged at the wingtip luckily it did not damage the aileron. A wingtip was robbed from another 767 on a 'c' check at LTN and flown up to MAN. The damaged 767 was back in service less than 18 hrs after the event, all handled very swiftly and professionally by Bri engineering as usual.

Caledonian
20th Nov 2003, 08:50
Red 5,

Any idea what is wrong with the BY 763 at Glasgow, it has been sitting around for a few days now doing nothing... it might well be serviceable with no work but you dont normally see a BY 763 hang around up here for any period of time??

Thanx
Cal

Courtman
20th Nov 2003, 21:32
Caledonian,

The BY B763 is just parked at GLA, there is nothing wrong with it. It does a PFO flight and other ad-hoc stuff I believe. Not much work for the B763 fleet at the moment until they all start leaving for Indo on 17Dec.

sacktheboard
21st Nov 2003, 00:52
Manchester Airport are currently in the process of conducting an emloyee survey.

Apparently Geoff Muirhead cares about his emloyees and wants their views.

The results will be published on this site when available.

It should make very interesting reading.

LBAir
21st Nov 2003, 02:35
Security at Leeds is no better, however I feel security staff at airports are treated in general like crap!! They're not making airports any money so, untill something actually happens, managers are quite happy to P?SS all over them.

At Leeds security persons apparently get only 5.36ph. Its only a matter of time before something serious happens in the UK.
Low and behold those with the powers to act.... just sitting there doing sod all.

PS. 5.36ph seen a job for public toilet cleaner 5.32ph?????????
:mad:

carbootking
21st Nov 2003, 03:22
if u want to be a secirty guard be 1 at stansted best paid job in the whole of the airport on 7 pound odd an hour plus shift pay.

LBAir
21st Nov 2003, 23:12
Yer, Manchester and Leeds bosses cannot come out with...... they're low cost BULL SH!T rubbish because Leeds has JET2 and Manchester has BMI Baby!!! So if LOW COST Stansted can do it?:hmm: and (Luton) can afford it Why not up north. Otherwise securty will remain poor with a high turnover of staff, standards will never get better and moral will remain low.Not good enough if they have to protect the airways from terrorisum.
Will anything be done before its too late. What does Manchester do to confront terrorisum....cut wages. I'd think seriously about the long term implecations of their actions.

:E

nibor
22nd Nov 2003, 22:40
LBAir

I am glad that you mentioned that the low experience level of staff caused by high turnover being the problem in your second post.
I thought that you were suggesting that low pay = poor quality staff, which is not always the case.

I do wonder where the security tax gets spent at LBA, it does not seem to be on 'visible' security.

LBAir
23rd Nov 2003, 01:18
NIBOR cheers for your responce.....

Aviation security, although technology has advanced a great deal, at the end of the day it is people that make the final decision as to wether an item, package or person(s) should be allowed on an aircraft. If the investment is not made in the people making these decisions, it does not matter how much money is spent on equipment to prevent potential security breaches.

Recent investment on scanners at LEEDS has not been matched by PEOPLE investment. I expect, given the mentality of managers at Manchester, the same applies there.

I suspect it will take an act of terrorisum, or a government act to improve the prospect of improved PEOPLE investment and subsequent SECURITY improvements. I guess its down to money again, but the question is MONEY or LIVES? I hope something is done as soon as possible before it is proved to be too late.



:eek:

Forgot to mension, LEEDS' bosses sacked their security manager....... probably ultimately to save money, more than anything. MONEY MONEY MONEY.

LBAir
23rd Nov 2003, 02:56
Is there anyone online from security from Manchester, Leeds or any where else that can shed light on this matter?